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Is Toronto destined to remain ugly forever?

Posted by Derek Flack / October 16, 2011

Toronto Ugly Debate"In many respects Toronto is a wonderful city in which to live, but it cannot be called beautiful." That, in a nutshell, summarizes the sentiments expressed by architect Jack Diamond at last week's Walrus-organized debate that tackled the resolution that Toronto will never be beautiful. He was joined by long-time Globe and Mail writer John Barber (who also argued against Toronto's aesthetic merits), University of Toronto English professor and Walrus fiction editor Nick Mount, and author Stephen Marche (the latter two of whom were tasked with arguing against the resolution). In front of a crowd that could fairly be called Toronto's elite, the four debaters showed off their considerable wit in addressing a question that seems to fascinate Torontonians a little more than it should.

Despite the absence of an official winner at the end of the night, the sentiment above, which Diamond had occasion to repeat numerous times over the course of the debate, might have won the day if it wasn't for the temporal element of the resolution. While I suspect the vast majority of those in attendance (and in general) would agree that, relatively speaking, Toronto can't be called a beautiful city today (or in the past), as Marche pointed out early on, it's pretty much impossible to argue that this will continue to be the case indefinitely. While our concept of beauty remains fixed (a point which Mount made rather emphatically with a reference to Kantian aesthetics and the universal beauty of sunsets), the city is anything but static. Insofar as Toronto has become quite obviously more beautiful in the last decade — corresponding to what's been called its cultural renaissance — it'd be silly to close the door on it ever achieving the status of a beautiful city at some point down the road, even if we can't necessarily imagine the specifics of such a scenario right now.

Jack DiamondIt's not hard to see why no winner was declared, is it? What made the event engaging, however, wasn't the participants' rhetorical prowess or the degree to which one side out-dueled the other so much as the various insights that were spawned by the discussion itself. Here are a few highlights.

Jack Diamond
First to speak, Diamond established his fourfold criteria for urban beauty, a list that somewhat amazingly, wasn't challenged at any point during the debate. Was it really that air-tight? After using Paris, Venice, and St. Petersburg as examples, he stipulated the following:

  • 1. Human-made forms should be "planned and designed together" in an effort to create "dramatic vistas" and that enhance each component part.
  • 2. Beautiful cities don't just "have a relationship to their major geographical features, but they celebrate them, whether canals, rivers or oceans."
  • 3. Most were built at time "when an architecture of human scale and refined detail was prevalent."
  • 4. Beautiful cities "have the fiscal and constitutional powers to spend as they choose."

How does Toronto stack up when it comes to this criteria? For Diamond the city's chief characteristic, its low density sprawl, disqualifies it from the get-go. Worse still, we lack the constitutional self-determination required to remedy what ails us. "The city is a supplicant, begging for crumbs at the provincial and federal tables, where those governments dine scrumptiously off the proceeds of its urban vassals," he damningly explained.

Nick Mount
Although Barber and Diamond would accuse him of arguing for their side, Mount eloquently pointed out that Toronto, as a relatively young city, is the product of an aesthetic value system that places the monstrous and sublime over the beautiful (have a look at Mies van der Rohe's TD Centre for a sense of what he's getting at). Modern art turned its back on beauty, and cities followed suit. That's not, however, to say that this will always and inevitably be the case. One might argue (though I don't think I heard Mount explicitly do so), that we already occupy a paradigm (postmodernism) with a less monolithic value system). So again the issue of "never" complicates the determination to say, once and for all, that Toronto ain't got a shot at beauty.

Rob FordJohn Barber
In general, Barber's argument against the possibility that Toronto will ever be beautiful was the least convincing of the night, but he did offer a fascinating, if undeveloped, theory for why modern Western cities aren't as aesthetically pleasing as their older counterparts. The centrepiece of Barber's case was a slideshow that featured images of ugly Toronto, you know, strip malls, low density suburbia, semi-industrial areas. While this might seem like visually damning evidence, as Marche pointed out, the outskirts of most major cities have similar aesthetic qualities. Barber did, however, win over the crowd with the final image in his gallery, which depicted a deeply smiling Rob Ford. More stimulating was his theory that democracy has robbed the modern city of the beauty of built form. "Beautiful cities carry oppression within their DNA," he noted in explanation of the dichotomy between old and new urban centres. Although he didn't expand on the idea as much as I would have liked, presumably the logic is that the unity Diamond gestured to in his introductory remarks is disrupted by the plurality of design practices/theories fostered by democracy.

Stephen Marche
Marche's argument for the possibility that one day Toronto might be considered a beautiful city was essentially temporal in nature. Having moved here 10 years ago, he's witnessed Toronto become more and more beautiful. On top of that, the city has dispensed with its old colonial inferiority complex in favour of something more ambitious. Given that we're not short of money, talent and will, it's feasible that our current trajectory of improvement will keep up. Heading off the inevitable counter-argument before anyone could make it, he noted that even Rob and Doug Ford, despite their limited imagination, wanted to do something they thought was beautiful with their failed attempt to take over the redevelopment of the Port Lands.

That's the overview. The live-tweets from the event have been preserved with the hashtag #TOdebate on Twitter, which might be worth checking out if your interest in the subject has been piqued. The Walrus also plans to post full video of the debate in the coming days, so I'll add or link to that when it comes available. Based on the summary above, how would you weigh in on the debate?

Discussion

20 Comments

Rob Ford / October 16, 2011 at 09:35 pm
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maybe if i wasn't such a fat ugly turd this city would look better.
Rob Ford / October 16, 2011 at 09:39 pm
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who keeps eating my comments? that's my job! (haha, kidding. i don't do my job)
Kim / October 16, 2011 at 09:48 pm
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Great coverage =] Do you know if this debate was recorded? I'd love to watch it on YouTube some time.
scary / October 16, 2011 at 10:04 pm
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where the hell do oyu find all these creep ford pics, shutters
fwegweg / October 16, 2011 at 10:07 pm
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'Toronto will never be beautiful,' says Jack Diamond, the guy who dumped a big pile of bricks and glass on one of the city's major intersections.
fwegweg / October 16, 2011 at 10:08 pm
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ok not exactly what he said but you get it
sdbods / October 16, 2011 at 11:11 pm
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i've moved recently from europe to toronto, and consider it a rather beautiful city. The city should start to appreciate their brutalist and modernist heritage. Especially in combination with the wonderful parks it is in quite some places a real beauty. There's a caveat though, i practically never go outside of downtown.
evan / October 16, 2011 at 11:23 pm
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maybe if every single photo in the media wasn't rob ford looking completely retarded, we might have a slightly nicer opinion of him.
downtown elite / October 16, 2011 at 11:38 pm
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and nor should you.

I think one thing that all of the old beautiful cities of Europe had going for them when they were built was money. The land was owned by the extremely rich and powerful, whose main goal was to show off to everyone how rich they were by building beautiful palaces, houses, parks etc...

These cities were built when democracy and government didn't exist in the way it does today, and the people who owned the land had pots of money coming in from their colonial outposts, and were able to build on a grand scale. That just cannot be done today.

This isn't to say that new cities cannot be beautiful, but they certainly cannot be built to the same scale and beauty of a place like Paris or St. Petersburg. There's no point comparing the two.

jack diamond is silly / October 17, 2011 at 12:49 am
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That's silly. I'm in awe at how beautiful the people in this city are. It's honestly remarkable...go to a big city in the states and then come back here and you'll wonder if there's something in Lake Ontario.
m / October 17, 2011 at 06:09 am
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'Diamond gestured to in his introductory remarks is disrupted by the plurality design practices/theories fostered by democracy.'

Not democracy - capitalism.
Muskoka / October 17, 2011 at 09:38 am
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The busy, energetic and messy streets of Toronto are a thing of beauty.

chantelle oliver / October 17, 2011 at 09:56 am
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The problem with Toronto is not how ugly it is. It is how horrible it feels trapped inside a car inside the perpetual traffic jam. It is _so_ conservative. Go to any big city in the states? Like ANY city is more interesting and navigable: Asheville, Charleston, New Orleans, Detroit, Austin, hell even Butte Montana has more S O U L. Toronto sucks the life out of you. I know. I left after 15 years and only then realized how uptight, insecure and ugly it really was.
KH / October 17, 2011 at 12:49 pm
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i think there's a spelling mistake in ..."oppression withing their DNA...." isn't it within?
great article btw
Jerry C. / October 17, 2011 at 02:27 pm
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There are ugly things and there are beautiful things in Toronto. Some hate the beautiful things and love the ugly things. I just think if they keep filling the town with ugly condos that will never go away their digging Toronto deeper and deeper into "the ugly hole". The only beauty is the ephemeral ornaments that come and go at the whims of artists.
Jerry C. / October 17, 2011 at 02:28 pm
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they're
ife / October 17, 2011 at 04:07 pm
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The only major point that I could agree with Jack Diamond on is point 2, that we should celebrate the beauty of the Don Valley. Because, especially in the fall, its fucking gorgeous.

Yet we pave over it and stick a giant highway there...
Jacob / October 17, 2011 at 08:34 pm
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Toronto could be a beautiful city, but it needs to be a coordinated effort.

The problem is we get a hodgepodge of uninspired architecture going up all over the place with no real thought behind it.
Darren / February 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm
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I'm coming to this party a bit late, but think the subject matter is an important one for the city and its citizens to debate. A lot of us are tired of the common tag line that Toronto is an ugly place and the general self-loathing that we seem far too good at. One small area in which Torontonians are rising to the challenge is via their homes and front yards on the residential streets across the city.

Beyond pure aesthetics, there's much to be learned about Torontonians via their street frontage. Whether its through the care of flower box, the planting of a tree or the replacement of a front door, we're constantly expressing our public self (maybe private self) through our homes.

There's a new blog that is documenting some of these changes - both good & bad - in an effort to raise awareness of this ongoing city transformation. People should check in out and chime in on what they see.

facelifttoronto.tumblr.com
Wael / April 7, 2012 at 08:32 pm
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The moment some idiots decided to take the flower shops, butchers, antique stores, small cafes out of the neighborhood and substituted it with colorless monotone plazas, the city became a dump.

I attribute it to the mentality of the people of Toronto. The moment they considered their homes as boxes to store their tired bodies in until the next time they go to work, the city became like a big warehouse. All you need to do is to look at areas like North York or Scarborough to appreciate what I am saying. The vast majority of the houses look like they were built by the same boring lifeless, Soviet Union era, engineer who decided to make us all feel his doom and gloom by building ALMOST IDENTICAL homes with either faded gray or faded brown colors.

I liked what someone said that this city suck your soul out slowly.

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