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TTC approves service cuts but delays vote on fare hike

Posted by Derek Flack / September 16, 2011

TTC service cuts budgetGet ready to experience the fun of even more crowded TTC vehicles, as earlier today the Commission voted to approve a number of service cutbacks to help reduce its 2012 operating budget by $70 million dollars. What that means for riders is that bus service will effectively return to the level that it was at prior to 2008 when a Ridership Growth Strategy was put in place under then mayor David Miller.

A number of cuts to the TTC's captial budget were also approved at the meeting. Not decided today, however, was whether or not the decreased level of service will also cost more money. A decision on a proposed 10 cent fare hike was put off until a Commission meeting in December, at which a time a decision will also have to be made as to whether or not dialysis patients will still be eligible for Wheel Trans service (which costs about $5 million per year).

If there's good news, it's that the TTC voted to keep Blue Night buses running, a service cut suggested in a City staff report earlier this week. But even with the cost-saving measures approved today, the TTC is still looking for $29 million in savings to meet its 2012 spending targets, which reflect a 10 per cent decrease mandated by Mayor Rob Ford across all city departments. "I'm not happy with this budget. I'm not sure our customers are happy with this budget," said TTC General Manager Gary Webster. "I think it is the best that we can do." That's a scary thought, especially considering that a fare hike may prove to be inevitable.

Photo by sjgardiner in the blogTO Flickr pool

Discussion

37 Comments

john / September 16, 2011 at 04:13 pm
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f--k Rob Ford.
qwerty / September 16, 2011 at 04:17 pm
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TTC shouldn't have bought new trains. Would have saved more than 700 million dollars.
Joe / September 16, 2011 at 04:18 pm
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Thank you very much to all those people who voted for Rob Ford. Stop the gravy train, yeah okay. It's more like stop every public service that the people of Toronto use. Things weren't this bad before and now with him under control, might as well say goodbye to the Toronto we know.
Lol / September 16, 2011 at 04:28 pm
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I love how a few years ago it was "These old trains are crappy, we need new ones!!"

Aaaand now that we have new ones, everyone's complaining about how the old ones were fine.
LMAO / September 16, 2011 at 04:36 pm
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To Lol (if that is your real name!),

I dont think anyone was complaining about the new trains a month ago when service wasnt threatened. Now that these new trains wont be running at the same service standard, the issue of needless spending in the face of cuts is a fair point.
Dave replying to a comment from LMAO / September 16, 2011 at 05:00 pm
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The new trains are irrelevant. The simple fact is that we now have a mayor completely devoted to decimating public services.

Alex replying to a comment from LMAO / September 16, 2011 at 05:18 pm
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The acquisition process for the new trains was probably started years ago, so I don't think it's fair to say the TTC made a mistake by not anticipating that years in the future when the trains were being delivered that they would need to make cuts.

The new trains are a capital cost, not an operating cost so they don't affect the operating budget. Plus being brand new trains they should actually help lower the operating budget by lowering maintenance costs.
JoeParez replying to a comment from LMAO / September 16, 2011 at 05:26 pm
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Subway service isn't affected by these cuts.
WayToGo / September 16, 2011 at 05:34 pm
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Way to go Rob Ford! You won't be happy until you drive every citizen out of the city!!

You are such an arrogant piece of shit, every time you are confronted with things that you don't agree with, you simply dismiss them and come up with some cock and bull statement like "Oh well, let's see him run the city and see how good of a job he does". Are you really that full of yourself? Oh wait, we all know the answer to that one....

I bet a fucking monkey could do your job better... You are the worst thing that has happened to Toronto, yes, worse than Mel Lastman who can't handle snow removal and calls in the Army....

If yesterday's opinion poll is any precursor to what is coming.... You're in for a whole world of hell once you actually try to put your cuts, oh sorry, "efficiencies" through. By far the worst mayor this city has seen in my lifetime.

WayToGo / September 16, 2011 at 05:35 pm
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Only gravy I see is the stuff dripping from your chin, Ford.
WayToGO / September 16, 2011 at 05:42 pm
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Way to go BlogTO with the comment censoring. Guess free speech doesn't exist on this website.
infernalmachine / September 16, 2011 at 05:47 pm
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It doesn't look from the list you provided earlier (http://www.blogto.com/city/2011/09/ttc_considering_fare_hike_cuts_to_service_and_staff/) shows lower levels of bus service

Can you provide the actual details on the specific cuts?
Eugene replying to a comment from infernalmachine / September 16, 2011 at 05:52 pm
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To infernalmachine: Why don't you go and read a paper?
handfed / September 16, 2011 at 07:12 pm
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Gravy train: stopped!
Rob Ford / September 16, 2011 at 07:18 pm
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Git a car, ye pinko commies
feed the trolls replying to a comment from Rob Ford / September 16, 2011 at 07:32 pm
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get some liposuction, jubba the nut!
mike m / September 16, 2011 at 08:25 pm
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September 26th people
Huge rally at city hall
10:30 am
Time to take this city back if you care.
Get involved
Call council
Lets get him to resign
Shawn / September 16, 2011 at 08:52 pm
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Instead of stopping the gravy train, we *insert CSI cutscene* cut the actual trains.



YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Marty3333 / September 16, 2011 at 09:34 pm
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Maybe cutting wages would save some money. After all 80% of the annual budget goes to wages and union expenses for employees...many of which cannot perform their simple ass jobs with a bit of courtesy and customer service.
Jordan / September 16, 2011 at 09:56 pm
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Alright,

So, Fordo keeps cutting, we keep complaining, and so on and so on. We've got to become creative! If we can't impeach him, what can we do? There is a provincial election coming up - could we get the province to revoke the executive committee's power? Does the province have the power to give cities the power to impeach their mayor? Can we get the province to split the city in 2? There's an election coming up, we should use it to our advantage. And we need to start thinking outside the box if we're going to stop the city from collapsing over the next 3 years or so.



W. K. Lis / September 16, 2011 at 10:35 pm
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I want the voting records of the commissioners for reference purposes. We want to remember who are the brown-noses on the commission.
Terry / September 16, 2011 at 10:57 pm
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It's all about priorities, and whether public transit should be put at the top of the list - apparently the mayor thinks not. The biggest cost is the cost of a city NOT having a good transportation system. Furthermore, what was that promise of "no service cuts"? Bad promises/poor budgeting: all councillors should be appalled at the mess. Fially, let's reject the expensive, useless monorail proposal and transfer the work toward TTC projects instead.
serious / September 16, 2011 at 11:46 pm
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if you actually care past posting comments/arguing w/ gadfly and mike

http://www.facebook.com/stopthecuts

one of many groups organizing, I am part of a few but I would call this group the most effective.

we are camping at city hall during the cut deliberations (sept. 26th and 27th).

Join in the fun

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=210494635680017

before you chime in assuring me that our actions are useless and we wont make any real impact please be mindful that by highlighting this issue we are making an impact. plus even if we fail miserably at least we tried.
Kieren / September 17, 2011 at 12:05 am
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From my understanding, it's most likely bus routes that will have reduced service, not the subway.

People in the core, who didn't vote for Ford will be least affected.People in the suburbs, you voted for him so you can keep your damn cuts. Have fun in your cars!
Brad / September 17, 2011 at 12:11 am
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Why is this not a provincial election issue?
The city can't afford the TTC, but the province is handing out cash
Rob Ford / September 17, 2011 at 01:29 am
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Just buy a fucking car and stop bitching! i'm a fat fucking asshole douche knocker!
Fantomex replying to a comment from Joe / September 17, 2011 at 04:22 am
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Here's the thing: I called these people 'right-wing sheeple' and I got attacked for it, or told that I was wrong. But what else do you call people who are so blinded by money lust and hatred of the poor that they would vote against their own interests by voting in Ford?
Fantomex replying to a comment from WayToGo / September 17, 2011 at 04:26 am
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Sorry WAYTOGO, but what happened <i>was</i> a natural disaster, and as such, the Army had to be called in. At least they were really 'serving the True North, strong and free' by shoveling snow rather than be fighting a stupid and senseless war in Afghanistan.
Justin / September 17, 2011 at 07:41 am
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There are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike Rob Ford, but the TTC was messed up LONG before Rob Ford was in power. Complaining about the TTC is a long standing tradition in this city, not something that's happened in the past year since Ford took office.

You don't have to agree with his cuts, but the failures of the TTC do not lie on him.
TWT replying to a comment from handfed / September 17, 2011 at 09:03 am
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crazy train: pulling out of the station
W. K. Lis / September 17, 2011 at 09:34 am
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I would like the province to provide funding for Ontario public transit agencies at a 50-50 share with the municipalities. However, I would think it would be a cost to the municipalities by having the province wanting their representatives on the agencies. In the case of the TTC, that would mean 4 out of the 9 members on the commission being selected by the province, and with the province saying who they want out and replaced by whom. We can start the brown-noses.
Fantomex replying to a comment from Justin / September 17, 2011 at 11:13 am
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The failures of the TTC also don't rest on the shoulders of David Miller, either, so don't lay those on him. At least Miller tried to make transit better, but Ford is trying to destroy it. That is what people are concerned about NOW, not a couple of years ago, and to ignore that is just getting Ford off of the hook for the consequences he should be blamed for causing.
Nick / September 17, 2011 at 01:11 pm
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Under Miller TTC ridership increased dramatically (2008: 466.7 million; 2009: 471.2 million; 2010: 477.4 million*), and one would hope that this increase has resulted in fewer cars on the road thereby reducing congestion and air pollution. By blindly mandating service cuts across the board, Ford is actually escalating the war on the car, by forcing people to give up on waiting for the bus that comes less often. This is in addition to increasing pollution. Yay Ford!

*source: TTC stats from http://transit.toronto.on.ca/spare/0052.shtml.
RealityCheck / September 17, 2011 at 04:04 pm
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I don't like Ford... and I don't like the idea of cuts to transit service. But anyone who is familiar with how the TTC works knows that the place is positively bloated. Despite what it's advocates claim, it is not an efficient system. I'm not talking about the operators who drive buses, streetcars and subways. Every minute of their time is accounted for and their connection to service deliver is evident. But the place has WAYYYY more managers and supervisors than it needs. Back in the 90s, General Manager Dave Gunn did a great job of getting rid of the dead wood. But under current GM Gary Webster, the TTC has become extremely top-heavy. A perfect example is the "station master" position that Gunn brought in so that people have someone to complain to - and this was in addition to the collectors who often seem to have little to do. The TTC could easily loose 1,000 positions with little impact on service ... though I'm sure that's not where Webster will cut.
gricer1326 / September 18, 2011 at 10:31 pm
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Thanks Ford Nation. Thanks a lot.
rek / September 19, 2011 at 03:37 pm
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I'm getting a motorcycle in the new year so I don't have to put up with the miserable state of the TTC (for most of the year anyway) anymore – just the miserable state of our roads and traffic.
photobucket / May 6, 2013 at 11:24 pm
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squares with various tea leaves and tea flavors
inside each square. Even Halloween parties with the
very best Halloween costumes can get dry after everyone's seen the costumes to be seen and passed out the candy to the beggars. The game would begin with them watching the collapse of society and the outbreak of magic around the world.

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