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The strange world of Toronto's Cash for Gold stores
Toronto's Cash for Gold stores -- most of us just ignore them. Sure, Oliver pops up every now and again, hijacking our television screens as he fans himself with money and poorly emulates the Kool-Aid Man's signature "Oh yeaaahh!" And then there's Harold the Jewellery Buyer, who promises "courteous, professional service," but whose business was embroiled in controversy when it was discovered that one of his employees had contracted a hit man to murder Jack Berkovits, owner of the competitor Easy Cash for Gold, which is located just a few doors away from Harold's shop.
Despite the drama, however, for the majority of us these businesses carry on unobtrusively. But what about those who are down on their luck and forced to sell some jewelry to make a quick buck? Or the sudden recipient of some inherited gold? Or, of course, the possessors of once-meaningful jewelry, now junk jewels after a bad break-up? Can the "Cash Man" really do something great for them? I visited three cash for gold stores in Toronto to find out.
My first stop was Harold the Jewelry Buyer, who has settled in his new location further north on Bathurst (close to Lawrence) after a suspicious fire broke out at his old store. I toted along a 10k white gold ring that I got as a birthday present several years ago. As one of the few pieces of jewelry I own worth more than the $0.25 I typically put in the dispenser to receive them, I had no intention of actually selling it. But I prepared my poker face anyway and went on my way.
As I approached Harold's bar-clad front door, I passed what would be the saddest sight of the day: some poor guy wearing a sandwich board plastered with Harold's face and directions to the store. I immediately felt ashamed for once labeling my job as a camp counselor where I had to clean up three-year-olds' vomit as "The Worst Job Ever." I approached the door and pushed furiously. Being a total newb, I hadn't realized I needed to wait to be buzzed in. And that poker face immediately melted into a sheepish, red-faced smile. Two buzzers later, I was inside.
To my surprise, the waiting area was rather crowded. There were about seven people in the white-walled room, which was decorated with lots of iron bars and a pair of two-way mirrors. It had a real "homey" feel, in other words. I approached the woman behind the gate and told her I wanted to sell my ring.
"How much do you want for it?" she asked.
"I'm not sure," I replied. "I just want to see what I can get."
"You're not sure?" she said, raising an eyebrow. Had I just shown her my cards? "OK, take a seat." And, for some reason, she slipped my ring onto her pinky finger.
I plopped myself in a chair and stared at my shoes. The room was eerily silent, save for the buzzer ringing every two minutes, making me jump and testing my bladder each time. Sandwiched between two burly men, and overhearing the impassioned bargaining going on behind the mirror, I began praying that I may never develop a gambling problem.
Then it was my turn, and Harold appeared to let me through the gate. As we passed the woman informed him that, "She doesn't know what she wants for it."
"She doesn't know what she wants?" he replied with a little too much dramatic mirth. Obviously, this news was somewhere in the realm of "There's this video of me online..." because it was just too good not be shared. We entered Harold's lair and he sat down behind the desk. A quick look, a weigh, and then:
"Meh, I don't know, I can give you...$20."
I tried to catch my reflection on the back of Harold's computer to see if the word "moron" was actually inscribed across my forehead. Purchased close to 10 years ago, the ring was probably about $200 or $250 retail then. And even I know the price of gold has gone up since then.
"No," I said, trying to maintain my composure. "I don't think I can sell it for that."
"What? You want $25?" Harold clicked on his computer, his eyes on the screen, as he tossed out offers. "Tell you what, I'll give you $50."
And with that, he reached inside his jacket, pulled out an enormous wad of bills, and lifted a fifty off the top.
"Here," he said, tossing it nonchalantly on the desk. "Take it."
"No," I began, "I don't think I can do $50 either..."
"What? It's money!" he replied. "You don't want $50? It's a lot of money!" Of course, my next thought was that I probably should have combed my hair before coming.
"Yes, it is a lot of money," I said getting up, "but I don't think I can sell that ring for that."
Now he turned away from his computer. "Why, how much do you want? If I gave you $75 right now would you take it? What about $80."
As I exited through the gate, Harold told me to think about it, perhaps realizing he didn't have a complete sucker on his hands. "I can give you between $80 and $110." I couldn't get out of there fast enough.
Next, I headed a few doors north to Easy Cash for Gold. Still trying to make sense of what had just happened, I stood outside the door like an idiot waiting to be buzzed in. Of course, at this store, you could just go right in.
I entered the empty shop and approached a glass booth while a middle-aged man appeared on the other side. He took my ring, and, to my relief, didn't put it on his pinky finger. After inspecting and weighing it, he put it down on the counter.
"I can give you $90."
"OK, and how would that work?" I asked.
"I'd just give you the cash. That's it."
Needless to say, this experience was a little more enjoyable.
My last stop was Oliver Jewellery at Eglinton and Avenue Road. Having seen the famed "Loan Arranger" on TV for years, I was curiously excited to finally be face to face. The first door was unlocked, so I let myself in. Little did I know, I was entering a bona fide house of horrors as I found myself stuck between a pair of doors as two different "Cash Man" commercials played over each other, blasting through the speakers. If hell has cheap cowboy hats and wads of cash, this would be it.
Luckily, I soon heard a faint voice call to me from the distance. "Are you selling gold?" it said, somehow audible through the terrible cash man jingle. Was it the great and powerful Oz? I didn't care; I needed to get out of there. "Yes," I replied, and my freedom was granted.
To my dismay, Oliver wasn't there, so a man who looked just a few years older than me approached the counter. Same deal; he looked at the ring, weighed it, and tossed out, "Eh, I could give you $50 to $80."
"Can you be more precise? I asked. My confidence was building.
"I don't know, maybe $75."
I told him I'd think about it.
"If I offered you $100 would you take it?" he asked. I still wanted to think about it. "$120?"
I left with the prospect of getting $130.
My experience left me fairly dismayed, a little shaken, but feeling a lot more confident about understanding the cash for gold world. If I ever were to sell my gold for real, I'd go in with a plan, perhaps some ear plugs, and an unwavering attitude with regards to what I want to get. But do I think I could ultimately make it worth my while? Oh yeaaahh!


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Anyways, i am not sure what kind of money your expecting.. you purchased the ring s for $200 bucks ten years ago RETAIL.. which is forsure a rip off price... you were offered $120 bucks at one store...not bad if you ask me...
You need to get over yourself :(
Russell Oliver is Jewish, I know this because I know him personally. Harold's spat with his neighbour and fellow synagogue patron from Omni Jewelers has also been well documented in the media, therefore they are both Jewish money lenders, aka "Shylocks".
Sorry that I choose to use appropriate words to describe people Rexdale.
So, slurring someone based on profession is a-ok? really?
LOL
So, in other words, you're claiming to speak a language that only co-incidentally sounds like English?
J*town - agreed, however reread Richards comments
Richard - self loathing isn't a badge of honour nor an excuse
To bring it all back... this article is a really interesting and, for those of us that have yet to find ourselves in one of these stores, somewhat informative as to their business practices and what someone would expect to encounter.
The autocomplete on Google whenever you type "Russell Oliver" or "Harold the Jewellery Buyer" almost always has "scam" as the next word.
That's why your offer went up at each store and that's why if you went back to the first place you went to, the offer would be smaller. If you went back to Harold, he'd tell you $80, knowing that you "shopped around" and came back for his larger offer of $110.
I have heard that for some reason, these guys steer clear of diamonds. I wonder why...
Your commercial is great! Better than anything Oliver has had on TV...
There's another place almost directly across the street from Oliver. They offered less but seemed extremely honest with me and VERY friendly. Even gave me advice on getting the jewellery appraised and selling elsewhere!!!!!!!!!!!
Plain and simple. (really? religion? here?)
I've had the unfortunate pleasure of meeting one of these characters...the same spiel turned me away and I found another buyer for my platinum wedding band.
Shout out to my exwife and Oliver!
Enjoy hell suckas!!
Except that you kind of are, since the original scenario was that people who didn't win would get nothing, and here you are not winning but being offered $100.
it's worth stopping in at Van Rijk's at Yonge & Eg.
That guy is alright...
Simple, if a gold buyer does this, they're reputable. If they don't, they're not.
Oliver "canceled" the contest when it was never on to begin with. It would infuriate me.
http://www.oliverjewellery.ca/video-contest.html
There was also a video that they posted on the oliverjewellery Youtube account in which Russell, himself, tells you that you can win $5000. They have since deleted it though. I did screen capture the website for future reference though.
http://www.oliverjewellery.ca/video-contest.html
There was also a video that they posted on the oliverjewellery Youtube account in which Russell, himself, tells you that you can win $5000. They have since deleted it though. I did screen capture the website for future reference though.
I'd say have a lawyer send him a letter indicating that you will be seeking legal recourse should he decide to "Cancel" the contest
good vid by the way...its worth at least $1.50 per view
This was the message they had sent me on Youtube:
Oliver Jewellery
Please send me your phone number... I have some cash for you.
Ben
Oliver Jewellery Tech Dept
Seems somewhat unprofessional in my opinion. I'm sure he does have plenty of experience with lawyers and lawsuits so I am planning on going the mainstream media route. I just feel like he needs to be brought down a couple of pegs.
These jewEllers are nothing more than the middle boys for those melting the gold and saving the diamonds. If the offer $130. they'll always get from the real buyers.
Who are the real buyers? There's a place at Yonge & Dundas, south-east corner, http://www.xau.ca/home.php#
No, I'm not plugging anything but wonder why everyone on the planet wants to buy YOUR 'old' gold and jewellry. Countries such as China and India are buying gold BY THE TON!
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/russell/russell020711.html
The US dollar will probably tank this year and expect to see gold over $2,000 by August. It's around $1360 right now. China & India want to protect themselves from devaluing their currencies because of the US. The price of oil will go up big time this year and so is food (5% is a starting point from December!) So as cost of goods go up your current cash savings gets more and more worthless. Owning gold gives you a heck of a lot more interest than what your bank offers and in time, more people won't be able to cover their mortgages
(USA), get their vehicles repossessed (USA), unemployment, (USA-again!). If these people had invested in gold, the interest alone would have bailed them out.
Anyways, hold on to your rings and such. By the end of this year, you would have doubled your interests.
Peace.
I had a blast making the commercial and my friends seemed to love it, so it wasn't a total waste of time. It's just too bad that Russell couldn't have been a bit more professional on his end.
tp://www.cbc.ca/ontariotoday/2011/01/18/buying-and-selling-gold---phone-in/
That's the good thing about gold. BTW, gold is recognized all over the planet, currencies, not.
Video explains the value of money vs gold over the years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HaqwFJj4ZY
keep up the fight!
Nice shady practice preying on the less fortunate. Bastards
Good work Josh, different demographic! heh. Regarding contests shilling for creative, jeebus. Read that as 'I'm cheap as hell and will get something for nothing as opposed to the going rate for the same.' If it's going to look good in your porfolio, then do it, but put the pipe down if you think it's going to give you 'exposure'. More often than not, it's bullshit.
Like the 'wendy' who slagged me when I said lol, $100. for a logo? Piss off. She wrote back to tell me there were 50 others jonesing to do the work. Yeah, right.
There are winners and losers and the desperate. Don't be the desperate.
You are NOT going to get the actual value of your piece, because no one wants your second-hand ring. (Even if they did, they would want it at a discount of at least 30-50%.) These places have to have it melted, along with the rest of the gold they buy, in order to sell it. The person who melts it can't pay them close to full price for the gold, because they have to make money on it. So even if the ring would retail today at $400 (given the rise in gold price), you figure that the actual value of the gold is probably around $200, the person who melts the gold has got to make $50 on you, and the guy who is buying has to make money. You can't go straight to the person melting it, because he doesn't want to waste his time talking to little people.
So if Harold or Oliver or anyone else will only get $150 for it, how much were you expecting them to give you?
I agree that it was low to start at $20, but yes, you did have "MORON" written on your face when you walked in saying you had no idea how much it's worth. And he did go up to $110, which means that he was only going to make $40 on you. Now go figure his overhead for the store, commercials, employees, etc., and figure out if he doesn't deserve the $40 for the amount of time he spent with you.
Oh, and one more question -- if they are scammers, what are you for wasting their time with inquiries that would lead to no business whatsoever for them? They could have saved their time and dealt with customers who were really interested in selling jewelery.
i love it when someone makes grammar mistakes while calling someone else stupid. it makes me smile.
Clearly Robyn made an error.
http://www.gold.to/toronto/goldbuyers/
I just sold "Premier" some of my gold coins. The guy there was really helpful and nice(surprisingly). Good call!
A++ and thumbs-up all the way!
http://www.premiercashforgold.ca
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Rick Woolsey
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/10/10/111010fa_fact_trillin
I was actually referred from a girlfriend of mine. Super nice guy and super fare on his offer! ;)
Very nice guy.
Didn't pressure me.
Seemed like a very good price for my jewellery.
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Thanks for the tip.
First - called the cowboy (Oliver) and had to listen to his drivel for nearly 5 minutes, so I hung up. (by the way I hear it goes on for nearly 8 minutes). Anyway, which person in his right mind would spend time on the phone that looooong to hear someone preaching himself as the best.
Next - Called Oren. Was happy to hear a live person at the other end. We agreed on a price and I said I would sell to him if his offer was the best
After that - Called Harold. Again a recording. I hung up instantly. I was foolish to listen to the cowboy or whatever, for a whole 5 minutes. couldn't do that again
Finally - at least that was what I had in mind - called John from Watch Finder. Pleasant gentleman, he offered me the same as Oren. I told him he had to do better if he wanted my gold. He did - so I will be going to him with my gold. The gold I was selling is ancient and I bought it for a song then. I know I am getting 5 times what I paid so I am happy. Besides it also ease my cash strapped situation. I wish I had carried all the gold I had. maybe next time.
as of this email being written.
"! There is an alert for this business !"
These types of businesses are as sleazy as strip clubs!
Remember there is no such things as 'old' diamonds --all diamonds are 'old'--that's how they became diamonds! If the cut is 'old style' it is still valuable (antique style is going up now). Don't go to pawn shops like oliver jewellery or the rest of them. They are PAWN shops folks they basically are stealing from you. I know quite a few police in Toronto and they always tell me how they know Oliver buys stolen jewellery and many times IS AWARE OF IT. Its why he has been arrested several times. 'Oh YEEEAH'
A friendly nice guy.
Gave me more than I asked for.
How often does that happen?
Cool look at the industry from both sides of the counter though.
I had 6 offers (I shop around) and he gave me 10% (Give or take) more than the others. I am going to have him host a Gold party at my house soon as well. Nice guy and really friendly!
He is located at Dundas Square
416-363-3327
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Horrible experience. Not even worth getting into.
To the rest of you, when you need a fair, friendly, and respectful quote on your old gold and jewellery I hope you'll give us a try.
Jeff Korda
www.jhkorda.com
In general you are doing well to recieve %40 of the value because the gold buyer usually has to sell to a refinery and they need to make profit as well as the refinery. So in the industry it is standard to give about a third of the value, but some gold buyers pay out more (up to %60). Make sure you know the value of your gold before you sell by getting it appraised.
Find the top paying Toronto Gold Buyers
On another note, and in case nobody else has noticed, it's pretty apparent that most (if not all) of the posts touting a fabulous experience at one or another of the gold buyers around town are...ummmm..."inside jobs." How likely is it that a casual reader of this article takes the time to write a comment about the amazing price & courteous service they received at establishment X, and then includes the email address and/or phone number, too? All that does, IMHO, is perpetuate the "shady operator" stereotype of those in the cash for gold business.
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I only passed by Harold's...THAT WAS ENOUGH TO MAKE ME RUN LIKE HELL AND NEVER LOOK BACK!!! Such a SLIMY cad....tries to make it seem like you should be greatful at his almost 'non-offer', then trying to put the pressure on when you tell him you will just be taking your item because the offer was too low.
I see his commercial about lending mortgages and cannot help but to think, "WHO THE HELL WOULD EVERY WANT TO GET A MORTGAGE FROM THAT FACE?!" He looks more fake 'an a 3 dollar bill as he sits at his desk, engaged in some merry banter with some young lady (who no doubt probably went straight to a church to ask God to 'cover her', for she has just worked with the Devil himself on a commercial.)
LOVED THIS ARTICLE! So well written. The flow is perfect. The experiences, as bad as they were, were captured spot on.
I was thinking to venture out again to see about selling that bracelet. Does anyone know of any reputable shops that I can deal with, or is that like asking if anyone has really ever seen Santa Clause?
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