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Stockyards development mixes big box with urbanism

Posted by Matthew Harris / December 11, 2010

Stockyards Development TorontoWith the continuing de-industrialization of the city's railway lands, there are numerous opportunities for rebirth and new growth. One of these opportunities is the area around St Clair Avenue West, particularly between Weston Rd and Scarlett. To support this rebirth, city council has approved the development of a new big box retail complex at Weston Road and St Clair Avenue West. But is this the type of development the city should be supporting?

The development's name is the Stockyards, since the area was originally home to the Ontario Stockyards. In the middle of the twentieth century, the area was the largest livestock market in Canada. In the picture below, taken in 1954, the vast size of the area is clearly apparent (Keele Street is the street in the bottom right corner, and St Clair runs lengthwise).

Stockyards historical photoAfter 1993, when the Ontario Stockyards moved to Cookstown, most of the meat-packing businesses in the area either went out of business or moved as well. Since then, some of the area has been converted into big box stores: the Home Depot on the south side of St Clair was one of the first entries. There have also been some residential developments, particularly townhomes. The proposed complex will see one of the largest remaining parcels of land in the former Stockyards area converted into a new use.

The developer of the site, Trinity Development Group, is largely known for their suburban power centres. Their nearest property is at Dufferin and Steeles, and they have several more in Aurora, Newmarket, Vaughan and Brampton. At first glance - particularly when taking in the number of parking spaces - the Stockyard development appears to be more of the same. The development will have about 1,700 parking spaces. In comparison, the Eaton Centre has 1,300.Stockyards development fronting onto St ClairHowever, the major redeeming feature of the development is that the buildings on some of the major streets - particularly St Clair Avenue West - will feature retail that fronts onto these streets. The result will be a very pedestrian-friendly design (in theory), and a step up from the Home Depot on the south side of the street. From St Clair Avenue West it will be difficult to tell that you are at a big box mall. There will also be some other charming features, including a roundabout (the rendering seems to show a Shayne Dark piece, but that's likely just some artist's whimsical addition).

Roundabout off Gunns Road for the Stockyards redevelopmentUnfortunately, the complex, despite resembling a standard mixed use high street, will not be mixed use. The second floor of the retail will contain more retail that will front onto the interior parking lots. Some lingering tenants will, however, remain a presence on the site. The St Helen's Meat Packers will abut onto the property, and city council does not like approving residential developments next to meat rendering plants.Parking deck access from the Stockyards roofAnother major concern is that the parking structure in the centre of the complex will not make the interior very inviting, and on account of this the streets might not be well used except as on-ramps to the parking garages. Without an eyes-on-the-street effect, security may eventually become an issue, particularly when all of the stores close at night.Stockyards current fieldHowever, despite these misgivings, the project is going ahead. The city council zoning approvals for the building are in place. Construction equipment is on site, and hoarding has started to get erected along St Clair West, as well as Weston Road. The complex is expected to open by Fall 2012. A video of how the complex is expected to look when it is completed is below (however, if you are allergic to bombastic classical music accompaniments to shopping mall render porn, you might want to turn the sound off).

Like so many of these experiments, it will take some time to see if this is truly a different beast than a suburban power centre, or just some lipstick on a stockyard pig.

Render stills from Trinity Development Group's video; heritage photograph from Photographic Survey Corp/The Stockyard Story; current photographs by Matthew Harris.

Discussion

61 Comments

Kevin Brown / December 11, 2010 at 10:05 am
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It would be really nice if the included a couple more floors with residential on top.
GI Poo / December 11, 2010 at 11:39 am
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I have friends with a condo not far from the Niagara St abattoir, which they can smell quite often, and there are plenty of other old and new residences in that area. It really makes me sad when the city has all these principles for mixed use and density and everything, but when push comes to shove they roll over.

My feeling is the lack of residential has almost nothing to do with the existing meat packing and everything to do with the developer not being a developer of residential. they don't want to be a residential landlord and it's easier to adapt what they've been doing rather than actually reinvent what they've been doing. This is the same reason residential developers don't include commercial in their sprawl.

I'm also bothered by any development that has fake roads. Are these blocks going to be their own lots, with public right-of-ways between them? Imagine Yorkville with each block owned by the same company and all the streets managed as private property.

Don't get me wrong though. I can't wait to shop at "Banana Replica" and "Navy Shop", "The Kap", "Mine West", "Borders & Noble" and other fine retailers.
andrewS / December 11, 2010 at 11:49 am
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The "eyes on the street" factor is enormous out there, as that part of town is a bit sketchy.

I get the feeling that the development, no matter what they do, will always remain poisoned by the piece of transplanted 905, right down to the hydro wires everywhere and pretend-brick McTownhouses, they've managed to build there.
qwerty / December 11, 2010 at 11:58 am
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So it's going to be like the Shops at Don Mills (Don Mills and Lawrence). Should help the neighbourhood cause that area is pretty dead (industrial).
Viktor / December 11, 2010 at 12:09 pm
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What loosers, this place is going to have a bunch of knock-off stores? Banana Replica? Navy Shop? That's pretty sad.
infernalmachine / December 11, 2010 at 12:22 pm
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i live close-ish to that area, and it's pretty silly - if you don't build in residential, who the heck will shop there? the existing big box in the area is rather sad.

i mean, here toronto is on one hand arguing that we need more mixed use and more affordable housing, meanwhile a huge piece of available, and centrally located land gets to become another piece of the "Smart Centres" empire?

i love this town but it proves to me time and time and time again that it thinks like a suburb and not like the world class city that it so desperately wants to be.
frijoles refritos / December 11, 2010 at 12:44 pm
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I thought this was going to be a post about the Smokehouse & Larder.
matts replying to a comment from Viktor / December 11, 2010 at 12:55 pm
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Relax - they can't use real names if they don't have tenancy contracts in place so they're using these as placeholders
qwop / December 11, 2010 at 12:57 pm
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@infernalmachine Agreed! Also, walking/TTCing to those big stores is a pain. If I can't find something on Dundas West, I take the subway to Runnymede or Dufferin where the retail is much more concentrated, varied, and accessible by TTC.

If they added apartments and offices to this, I could get behind it. Or a mall if they're bent on making this area suburban.
scottd / December 11, 2010 at 12:59 pm
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The existing box complex is pretty busy but with the configuration of roads because of the railways I dont see much to encourage people to walk or cycle there. I ave a lot of friends who live only blocks away but drive because they find the way too long or depressing.
JS / December 11, 2010 at 01:05 pm
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So they're converting the stockyards to a "sheepyard"?
mjclogan / December 11, 2010 at 01:38 pm
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It's hard to fathom that a developer who has made their demo video exclusively from the vantage point of someone in an automobile to give anything but lip service to 'mixed use,' 'urban form' or any other characteristics of good urban infill.
MLK / December 11, 2010 at 01:42 pm
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The exclusion of housing, mixed use and local business commons, is truly a missed opportunity to what could be a valuable St. Clair / Junction connection and subsequently a valuable addition to the downtown area.
Toronto creeps me out.
I long to live and be a part of a city that acknowledges previous models of successful development for future development. I.e. Wychwood, Distillery District, Brick Works, Regent etc. This means actively establishing “development rules” and developer incentives that support existing models of success.
There is a massive disconnect here that seriously needs attention. Can we not look at the city’s existing development partners in these land opportunities. Nurturing an “Actual Toronto”? Developers need housing incentives and our city needs to include its community development stewards to ensure the development of a positive urban landscape while giving the opportunity for large corporate exposure. Where is our city?
Bill / December 11, 2010 at 01:45 pm
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I like when the streetcar goes the wrong way in the video (1:30 ish). It's the attention to details that tells me we're in good hands.
yt / December 11, 2010 at 01:48 pm
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The stuff a-x the road never seems busy, and now that the street car is running out to keele again this seems like a waste.

As others have pointed out, the stores that are already there have parking lots the size of manhattan to walk across and require dodging traffic unless you have a car.

Obviously I don't spend a lot of time at the malls the city already has, but does anyone really feel like they shop at banana replica/gap/old navy so often that one of dufferin mall, yrokdale or eaton centre are THAT inconviently located or overburdened?

I'm interested to see what happens when all these giant box stores close - how will the space get reappropriated? Farmer's markets? Shared spaces?
Will / December 11, 2010 at 02:08 pm
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Who are these idiots that keep planning these outdoor malls? This isnt California.
Sean / December 11, 2010 at 02:15 pm
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I'm all for mixed use... The problem is not the developers always.. The problem is gettIng financing. It is incredibly difficult to secure financing for large scale mixed use projects n
Rich Lady / December 11, 2010 at 02:17 pm
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Well, unless there's a Kolt Benfrew, you won't expect me to be there.
dnr / December 11, 2010 at 02:32 pm
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I live in the area. Yuck.
MLK / December 11, 2010 at 02:55 pm
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design could save the world... developer incentives.
Judylicious / December 11, 2010 at 03:42 pm
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Embarrassingly backwards. Welcome to upstate New York circa 1997.
W. K. Lis / December 11, 2010 at 03:47 pm
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Would be better if it were mixed-use, not single-use. Put in a church, school, library, offices, and a movie theatre for good measure as well.
JR / December 11, 2010 at 04:06 pm
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Funny, the lipstick on a pig sentiment was running through my head before I saw it in the article. There's really no way in which this differs from standard big-box, other than a few sexed-up streets.
JR replying to a comment from JR / December 11, 2010 at 04:18 pm
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I'd also be surprised if many of the tenants they show in their renderings would actually be willing to open at St. Clair and Weston. Banana Republic and Hugo Boss? Try Payless Shoes and Dollarama.
brian / December 11, 2010 at 04:56 pm
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the traffic in this area is already a nightmare gongshow.

try getting north or south on keele anytime around dundas west or st .clair and you know what I mean.

and now this. I assume it will increase the traffic by....hmm..10 times? and that cute little roundabout...people are dumb..they won't know what to do when they hit it....

I am in an apathetic rage over this. hard key pressing RAGE.

st lawrence market, brickworks, hell the california comment is spot on...why do we need outdoor malls in Toronto where there is snow 5 months of the year. If you're going to drown us in retail, at least give us a roof.
John / December 11, 2010 at 05:08 pm
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Its a good thing the animation never shows the opposite side of St. Clair, because seeing the blank wall of Home Depot and it's parking lot would really destroy the illusion of this being a walkable, urban street.
Matt / December 11, 2010 at 05:38 pm
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This is a relatively inner-city area on which there is NOTHING but empty space. There's so much potential to do something great here, but this is the best the typically visionless development industry can come up with. Disgusting.

The city is trying to encourage genuinely urban mixed-use communities to take root at the downtown waterfront. We have the precedent of the enormously successful St. Lawrence neighbourhood build atop what was once post-industrial vacant lots. So why should we allow this ugly, one-dimensional, anti-urban piece of shit to be built?

On the other hand, if it comes complete with classical music soundtracking your every shopping move, I guess that's sort of cool.
basfdg replying to a comment from JR / December 11, 2010 at 06:17 pm
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You mean Dayless Shoes and Gollaranda.
ted / December 11, 2010 at 06:55 pm
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we suck
JR replying to a comment from basfdg / December 11, 2010 at 07:05 pm
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True. I find it strange how halfway through they seem to just run out of legitimate stores that would allow their images to be used. I think my favourite is a toss-up between Lady Klein, Jonas New York, and Koach. Though Shephora was another extremely creative entry.
GI Poo / December 11, 2010 at 07:31 pm
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But,
the parking lots are on top of the buildings and that's awesome (except for all the run off).
The roundabout is a very nice touch.
and maybe if the meatpacker go packing that'll be redeveloped into housing.
Great / December 11, 2010 at 08:46 pm
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It's great that we're wasting the foot traffic from the St. Clair streetcar by building an outdoor car-centric outlet mall. No one wants to walk across 5 lanes of traffic to walk around your vast outlet mall purgatory.

And for cars... have you seen the intersection of Keele and Dundas recently? Traffic is routinely backed up hundreds of meters in all directions.

Even the people living *across the street* will have to drive to get to this place. This is not the way forward.
Josh / December 11, 2010 at 11:20 pm
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Its about time someone wanted to do something with this area, its a dead whole right now. Glad someone has the balls to try and do something with it...
bawiseguy / December 11, 2010 at 11:23 pm
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atrocious ... It's a good thing Toronto spent many years and million of dollars to renovate St Clair in order to tear it apart for construction of an albatross. People will never return after a first visit because indeed the traffic will be a nightmare. Mixed use would help but not building something as dense as this would be best. In fact ... Dense might be the right word to describe those who conceived it. I live in the area and there will be no reasonable way to get there unless they change St. Clair (again) or make Dupont a 3 lane highway.
Goldenhawk / December 11, 2010 at 11:33 pm
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Yeah, I live less than 2 kilometres away from that intersection, and already despise the traffic. This is just going to make it worse. Oh well, once Rob Ford rips up the streetcar, that should make it easier for the masses to get out there. Seriously though, why is there a Lowe's when we already have Home Depot, Rona and Canadian Tire across the way? And a Best Buy with sister store Future Shop? Like others said, I can't imagine "Koach" or "Banana Replica" moving in to that particular development. The location doesn't quite rank with Yorkdale, Eaton Centre etc.
gadfly replying to a comment from qwop / December 12, 2010 at 07:49 am
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Isnt' that funny: if it doesn't have parking, then I don't go to it. I will drive as far as Dufferin Mall or the box stores at Eglinton/Pharmacy to do major shopping.
Choice is exciting, isn't it? Oh, that's right: as long as it follows the current accepted thinking, right?
@Goldenhawk: sure, why not extend the streetcar out there, as long as they leave room for 6 lanes of traffic. Oops, again - that's now permissable thinking, is it?
@ bawiseguy: you're absolutely right. Since both Weston Rd and Keele combine before they reach St. Clair, it is pathetic that they built those ugly townhouses right to the curb, thus prohibiting any expansion of Keele. With no way to move up the core of the city (Spadina cancelled), it's often faster to take the Gardiner/427/401 to drive from downtown to somewhere in the center of the city.
@ Great: those nasty, smelly cars again. LOL Too bad the big box stores know where their market is. How much can you carry on foot? I'll wager I can get more in my trunk than you can carry......
gadfly replying to a comment from Matt / December 12, 2010 at 07:52 am
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St Lawrence neighborhood? Wow, just wow. The traffic on Jarvis and Front is getting worse every year, yet they still keep building right to the curb. Let's see how wonderful that neighborhood looks in 10 years when gridlock is 24 hours.
Y'know, they spent a lot of $$$ making South Kingsway/Queensway 'pedestrian friendly.' They even putin a bicycle lane. Too bad I never see anyone walking or cycling down there.
The ususal suspects are all about sucking tax dollars out to support their way of life, when study after study shows 70+% in the city drive to their destination.
Way to go Toronto: putting the cart long before the horse.
W. K. Lis / December 12, 2010 at 08:43 am
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People lived in the area since the real stockyards were in operation. Back then the smell or odor was bad, definitely better nowadays. Having residential as part of the development mix would actually be a good addition to the neighborhood than having just commercial.
asad / December 12, 2010 at 09:41 am
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why would you want to live there ? that area has the worst smell in the city, and why are we shipping out jobs industry for the hell of working retail?
gregory / December 12, 2010 at 09:59 am
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I love this!
All my favorite shops in one place.
This makes life easy.
Matt replying to a comment from gadfly / December 12, 2010 at 11:50 am
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St. Lawrence has been successful for decades, buddy And there's more to a 'hood than traffic patterns. Anyway, shut up Gadfly.
mikeb / December 12, 2010 at 12:00 pm
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Adding 1900 new parking spaces to an area that is challenged to get to by an mode of transportation is, as others have said, crazy. The people who approved it should be forced to drive on St Clair between Old Weston and Runnymede until their brake foot bleeds. Then they should be forced to crawl up and down Keele between Rogers and Annette for another round.

That said, who is going to shop there? The same bunch who go to the Home Depot/Rona/Canadian Tire mess across the street. For all the protesting I see lots of people flooding in from Barns-loving Mihevcland and Bloor West when they need to build a deck. Junctioneers and Blandsdowners go there when the have go at renovating their kitchen. Originally the rumour was that a Costco was going in--looking Trinity's website, I don't see where it would go. (http://www.trinity-group.com/?q=node/432). Good thing, because if their was one, those 1900 parking spaces would fill up fast.
mikeb replying to a comment from gadfly / December 12, 2010 at 02:27 pm
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@Gadfly. While I agree with you sentiment that the houses build recently on the NE corner may be too close to the street, do note that Keele and Weston do not combine before St Clair. They only meet right at St Clair. Weston changes its name to Keele when they meet St Clair (or vice versa as you will). North of St Clair, Keele is on the other side of the railway and does not meet up with Weston Road at all. It's not Keele, but Black Creek that dumps southbound traffic into the area.
gadfly replying to a comment from Matt / December 12, 2010 at 03:51 pm
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Struck a nerve, perhaps? Easier to attack the poster than the post itself?
Mark my words, this city is heading for a calamity that could (and I use that word cautiously) end up emptying the city, similar to what Detroit and others experienced.
Although you'd never know it from the likes of blogTO, the majority of the people in this city are fed up. Traffic is a nightmare almost everywhere, yet the city intends to spend billions on light rail and other silly half-measures.
The big box stores at Keele/St. Clair are just fine, but without making provisions for the added traffic - well, it bordes on criminal, in my opinion.
Matt, I had good friends at 39 Parliament and all the added traffic around them has them worried. There is no street parking available anywhere, yet they keep building those towers.
Crombie Park (where I had the misfortune of living for about 6 months in 1980) was built right to the curb, as is the new condo going up on the west side of Jarvis. Truly, it is criminal that the city refuses to even contemplate making ANY improvements to the roads. About 15 or so years ago they added a few 'lay-bys' to the west side of Jarvis, adjacent to Crombie Park, but it's insane what the city is allowing to happen.
Just as the agenda calls for taking away lane space and giving it to cyclists, under the theory that 'build it and they will come,' the city's socialist agenda figures that if they make driving so incredibly bad, people will give up driving and take the TTC. Is that democracy? I thought the role of government was to provide what the people want, and judging by the horrid traffic on Jarvis since the bicycle lanes were added, and the bottleneck that Keele/St. Clair has become, clearly the government is out of sync with what the people want.
Hey, Matt, I guess the irony of my earlier posts about the usual suspects forcing 'group think' was lost on you, eh? Sorry, but your age is showing.
gadfly replying to a comment from mikeb / December 12, 2010 at 04:08 pm
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I don't mean to quibble, but Keele basically ends at that horrible S-curve, just north of Eglinton. Although it does extend to Rogers Road, my point is the traffic from the combined messes of Weston Rd/Keele (and as you mentioned) Black Creek Drive, all basically converge onto Keele as you pass St. Clair going south.
Setting aside the pregnant argument about whether the Spadina Expressway, or the 400 Extension should have gone ahead as originally planned, surely even the most rabid amongst the tree-huggers can see the enormity of the disaster the city is facing: there simply is no north south route that moves between the DVP and 427. Everything is 4 laned (with the exception of parts of Avenue Rd., but then that is a separate horrible design!) and usually choked with parked cars.
It's so obvious that while the city contemplated the fate of Kodak, and the meat packers along St. Clair, somebody in Roads & Traffic should have put their hand up and meakly suggested widening Weston Road, south of Black Creek. But, of course not, that is not the so-called wisdom that has prevailed at City Hall for the past 30 some odd years. You know, the folks who live along Rogers Rd might have appreciated that.
Oh, who am I kidding? St Clair and Dundas West combine only a few blocks west, proving once again that 2+2 = 2 in the city's grasp of math.
It's sheer madness the way this city has been patched together since the mid-70s. Curiously enough, it's been about that long since the quality of life has been in decline, too.
bob replying to a comment from gadfly / December 12, 2010 at 09:19 pm
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The only reason the area is so traffic-congested is because cars exiting the highway are funneled into Lower Jarvis.

The mixed-use community is one of the best areas of city created development Toronto has ever seen. But I guess you don't like David Crombie either?

And we SHOULD be spending money on LRTs instead of roads, as the forwards-thinking, smog-reducing, innovative city we should be. Not the mention LRTs actually reduce congestion, when they take people off roads and change the way traffic flows.

ps. Why is it that you are somehow the at one side of every argument to ever happen on this site? Quit causing trouble.
gadfly replying to a comment from bob / December 13, 2010 at 07:03 am
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"Forward thinking," or just YOUR thinking? Have you actually travelled outside Toronto? Outside North America? Does your life take you beyond Bloor, Keele or Broadview? Have you driven, walked, TTC'd, or cycled for more than, say, 10 years in this city?
If you can't say yes to most of these questions, then perhaps you are not qualified to shout down those who don't think like you. Perhaps if you had an original thought, or wondered why you should be rattled to work in a screeching subway while the person next to you eats an entire bowl of cereal, then your creative processes might also wonder why this city is in such serious decline.
St. Lawrence is successful? I suppose so, but then so is Brampton and Don Mills. It's just that you can get through Don Mills and Brampton without being impeded by stupid traffic design - deliberate traffic design, intended to frustrate tax paying citizens going about their lives.
And if you truly believe that at 3 million, Toronto should be looking to New York and Paris for solutions, then you are...well, I won't resort to name calling.
"Quit causing trouble." That's priceless. Let's see what you think of St. Lawrence in 20 years, buddy.
Dipp replying to a comment from gadfly / December 13, 2010 at 10:09 am
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I don't have a dog in this fight, and I wholeheartedly share your views on the lack of city planning and traffic congestion issues, but citing an example of screeching subway trains and having to tolerate a subway rider eating (an entire bowl of) cereal doesn't really scream "qualified" either...
Dipp replying to a comment from gadfly / December 13, 2010 at 10:10 am
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I don't have a dog in this fight, and I wholeheartedly share your views on the lack of city planning and traffic congestion issues, but citing an example of screeching subway trains and having to tolerate a subway rider eating (an entire bowl of) cereal doesn't really scream "qualified" either...
iSkyscraper / December 13, 2010 at 10:23 am
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Wow, unusually low quality level on the comments today. I'm not even going to respond to Gadfly, who seems to be unaware that traffic is elastic and must think of Oklahoma City as his ideal urban place. On the other hand, we live in the real world and in the real world this is pretty much
"best practices" across the industry, across the continent. There are quite a few similar developments in New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, Seattle, etc. If you hate the fact that our society revolves around big box stores and (mostly) cars, well, there is not a lot to be done about it. If we are going to have this system, a development like this that puts the buildings on the street and hides the parking is far better than the usual Toronto status quo (visit Laird Drive in Leaside for a classic example).

As for the store signs, I've dealt with this a few times myself. I think we used Radio Hut, Bold Navy, Sunglass House, etc. All good fun but it works -- conveys the brands without infringing on unauthorized use. Fun!

bob replying to a comment from gadfly / December 13, 2010 at 08:15 pm
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"and if you truly believe that at 3 million, Toronto should be looking to New York and Paris for solutions, then you are...well, I won't resort to name calling."

So... we shouldn't be looking for inspiration from cities with acclaimed transit systems for the future of the city?

I'm not even going to bother.
James / December 14, 2010 at 01:41 am
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I think this development will be great for the area and clean it up in a good way. Can't wait till it's built.

Link to the actual site plan and some of the tenants.

http://www.trinity-group.com/?q=node/432

yt / December 14, 2010 at 04:18 pm
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how are transit people socialists?

...after all, they are the ones who are pushing for people to select transit that fits their income (instead of these keynesians who think everyone with a car should be able to quickly drive everywhere all the time).

if anything, holding on to the car is the out-moded socialist way of thinking. that said, urbanites might do well to think about the decline of the manufacturing sector in ontario more seriously-
Delia / January 23, 2011 at 04:40 pm
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I can't wait for this project to be ready... good for my family and friends who live in the area that do not have vehicles to travel the distance to shop, now they really don't need to go very far. Enjoy!
Ogs / February 3, 2011 at 03:17 pm
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I cant wait for this developemt to finish. Hopefully it will make the area better. I just wish they ahave added 1 or 2 condo building...
Aninha T. Byun / February 4, 2011 at 04:45 pm
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Love it!!So excited!
Marcos / September 28, 2011 at 12:40 pm
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Where is the video?
misstdot replying to a comment from mikeb / November 27, 2011 at 04:37 pm
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Costco opted out
manny / January 17, 2012 at 09:48 pm
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I think this development is overall, good for the area. Maybe the traffic might seem like a problem now, but with the new streetcar service and road expansion, that should help this area out.

Big box stores also create employment which is always a good thing and the way this project is being developed it looks very different and unique.

House would definitely appreciate in this area and make it more attractive for residents with no vehicles to actually live here close to major shops.

I think they should have added another grocery store somewhere, but overall it looks very good
Dan / February 24, 2012 at 02:25 am
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Can't wait for this to be finished. So much more convenient. It will take me only a few minutes walk to shop at stores I already shop at and cut out the 20 minute or more TTC ride + wait time. Very curious what the smaller shop tenants will be too.

Found this page after searching to see if the Fall 2012 schedule is still a go...
Louise / May 22, 2012 at 06:15 pm
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I for one am happy this mall is being built .I live in the area and will be glad to have somewhere else to shop besides Walmart that doesn't involve going into a mall, this way I can choose which stores to go into without having to walk through a mall of people window shopping if they add a grocery store I may never go south of bloor street ever again

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