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Another idea to revitalize the Gardiner Expressway

Posted by Derek Flack / November 15, 2010

Gardiner Expressway Peter MichnoThere's been no shortage of ideas about what to do with the Gardiner Expressway. Whether it be tearing it down and replacing it with tunnel or a widened Lake Shore Boulevard or its conversion into an elevated park reminiscent of New York's High Line, it's one of those pieces of infrastructure that continually sparks debate amongst architects, city planners, politicians and residents.

Although a Waterfront Toronto environmental assessment to evaluate the proposed removal of a portion of the expressway that runs between Jarvis Street and the DVP got underway in March of 2009, that hasn't put a stop to the novel alternatives that continue to be tossed around.

Green Ribbon GardinerLast year, Les Klein's Green Ribbon plan (pictured above) to turn the expressway into an elevated park was cause for much discussion -- both positive and critical -- but another plan from around the same time has flown a bit under the radar. In an October 2009 article in The Bulletin, Michael Comstock, president of the Toronto Association of BIAs, wrote about architect Peter Michno's proposal to enclose the Gardiner in a glass dome. Without many renderings readily available online, however, it never garnered the attention that Klein's idea enjoyed.

But with an article about the proposal published in the Star today, that might be set to change. Unlike Klein's plan, Michno still envisions that expressway as a corridor for vehicular traffic. But his enclosed tube-like structure would, he suggests, have the following benefits:

  • Improvement of aesthetics -- from both above and below the expressway
  • Noise reduction
  • By reducing/eliminating snow and rain build up, maintenance costs would be lowered

While the architect doesn't have a specific estimate for the cost of his project, he thinks that road tolls would make sense as a funding source. I suspect that that alone might turn many off the project, but I have to admit it's all rather intriguing, if unlikely to go very far. It reminds me of a vehicular version of Chris Hardwicke's velo-city, which while spectacularly ambitious, represents a way of thinking that I've always thought Toronto could use more of. And besides, in that Michno's proposal still envisions the expressway as, well, an expressway, it's really more realistic than Klein's High Line-like plan.

Here's a look at some of the sketches.

Gardiner proposal Peter Michno

Gardiner proposal Peter Michno

Gardiner proposal Peter Michno

Discussion

37 Comments

Liam / November 15, 2010 at 02:53 pm
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I would like EITHER plan - just something. It needs to stay up for traffic reasons alone. How do we help make these alternatives a reality?
theoadorno / November 15, 2010 at 03:04 pm
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bahahaha...Mincho's idea is well, ridiculous - i can't even see this getting taken seriously at a 1st year architecture critique.

trapping vehicle heat/pollution in a greenhouse in the 30+ degree summer weather? seriously?

"maintenance costs would be lowered"?! right - because maintaining kms of a glass/steel structure will be cheaper that plowing roads?

i'll leave it up to others to point-out the glaring lunacy/irresponsibility of this 'proposal'
j / November 15, 2010 at 03:06 pm
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Who is this Michno and why should we bother listening to him? Why does sitting down at your dining room table on a Sunday evening with trace paper and some prismacolors qualify you to decide the fate of a highway?
Greg replying to a comment from theoadorno / November 15, 2010 at 03:08 pm
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I would imagine that exhaust vents are part of the plan.
Simon / November 15, 2010 at 03:15 pm
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This is just stupid. I live less than a block away from the Gardiner and can see it from my living room. I can't hear it at all and the noise isn't even bad when I'm on my balcony.

And since was "rain buildup" an issue that is of budgetary concern? Have we not figured out the snow removal issue? Is snow removal even an issue these days with global warming reducing the amount of snow we get every year?

Stupid.
Rob / November 15, 2010 at 03:16 pm
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I disagree Greg. Enter at your own risk. Bring your own oxygen too.

That last sketch looks ridiculous. A giant monstrous tube running over Toronto.
Mikey replying to a comment from j / November 15, 2010 at 03:16 pm
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Who is this J and why should we bother listening to him? Why does sitting down at your desk on Monday afternoon with your laptop and a bad attitude qualify you to have your opinion heard?
skeeter replying to a comment from j / November 15, 2010 at 03:17 pm
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Michno = Rocco Rossi
HUK / November 15, 2010 at 03:21 pm
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We should just fill the tubes with bacon grease and treat traffic congestion with a slip-n-slide.
Kevin / November 15, 2010 at 03:22 pm
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There's a cheaper and at least as green an option - why don't we use the vast pillars that support the Gardiner as planting walls and artistic canvasses? Covering these blocks with wall vines and the underpass with murals would transform the ugly grey functional concrete blocks into something beautiful, noise-reducing and green, which would likely be supported by the exploding communities along the waterfront that need to navigate the Gardiner's surroundings by foot. Gardiner transformation is critical for the blossoming of these communities and the city itself, but it shouldn't cost a fortune.
Alex / November 15, 2010 at 03:29 pm
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Any idea of the costs of cleaning the windows on this? Seriously, you've got pollution from the cars and snow/weather from above...within a day it would look like a murky mess and be a tunnel.

Another ridiculously impractical proposal.
Eric Hacke / November 15, 2010 at 03:35 pm
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Right. Cause building a giant 10km long glass tube is more practical than improving mass transit and obviating the need for a highway to begin with.

I just came back from Germany. Granted their population density is higher on the average, but their cities are way smaller and have infinitely better mass transit. Even a town of 160K has a large train station that has trains running to all nearby cities every 45 minutes, 7 days a week.

I work in Mississauga next to Meadowvale GO station, and live next to Union, but I have to drive. There is no way for me to take a train to work because they only go into the city in the morning, and out to the burbs in the evening. Instead I'm forced to sit in traffic every day for 45 minutes in each direction. Running the same trains, in the opposite direction, on the same rails they already have would decrease traffic measurably and cost little.

Saying the answer to any traffic problem is bigger and fancier highways is like saying the answer to a cocaine addiction is more and better cocaine.
cultureshot / November 15, 2010 at 03:40 pm
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While I appreciate the almost sci-fi like quality of this idea, I'm certain the cost would outweigh the supposed benefits.

The largest problem with the Gardiner (and one this plan fails to address) is that it remains a visual, psychological, and physical barrier to the waterfront.

We need to focus on making it easier and more appealing to walk, bike, or take transit south of the Gardiner so that Torontonians can re-discover their waterfront. Until we expand transit down there and make it safer for pedestrians, this road will continue to cut us off from the lake.
agentsmith replying to a comment from Greg / November 15, 2010 at 03:41 pm
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As far as exhaust goes, yes it would presumably be no different than ventilating a normal tunnel. But tunnels have the advantage of being underground where it's already cool and there's no direct sunlight. I gather this guy hasn't stood in front of a large south-facing window in the middle of summer lately. The heat build-up inside this thing on a sunny day in July would be absolutely MASSIVE, requiring a huge amount of ventilation and air conditioning. Combine that with the cost of maintaining the glass, and there's no goddamn way it's cheaper than plowing in winter... probably many times higher, in fact. It's not as if the Gardiner's specific snow removal costs are so high to begin with anyway.

Not too mention the cleaning of all that glass. Or does this guy know of some magical kind of glass that doesn't get dirty from millions of cars worth of exhaust and road grime?
Sean / November 15, 2010 at 03:47 pm
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Now I know why Ford became mayor... to get rid of stupid ideas such as this one. The gravy train has stopped!
I Work on Pill Hill replying to a comment from Eric Hacke / November 15, 2010 at 03:54 pm
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Eric:

GO doesn't own the right of way that services the Milton Corridor and since there is so much freight traffic on the line, CP isn't open to allowing all-day traffic. With that said, there IS an express bus that runs from Yorkdale to Meadowvale so if you don't want to drive, you don't have to.

Also, Lucy's Seafood Kitchen is awesome.

anon / November 15, 2010 at 04:18 pm
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it still doesn't change the fact that there's a monstrosity of public infrastructure standing between me and my lake.
MER1978 / November 15, 2010 at 04:34 pm
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The city has a $15 million dollar program to deal with structural damage caused by salting the Gardiner in the winter... this isn't just the cost of snow plowing we're talking about here.
Justin / November 15, 2010 at 04:38 pm
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The downtown core overtaken by giant tentacles... I like it.
agentsmith replying to a comment from anon / November 15, 2010 at 04:41 pm
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Yeah, how DARE that publicly owned expressway get in the way of YOUR lake! The nerve of some people, amirite?
Bubba / November 15, 2010 at 05:03 pm
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Looks like something from the 70's, via Lost In Space episode.
Sorry but to ugly to big, and no developer in their right mind would build under the Gardiner. Fugly ugly!
belvedere / November 15, 2010 at 05:10 pm
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the gardiner is just a fucking road and a fast one at that. ppl should be focused on driving, not on the ambience. consign this moronic daydreaming to the dustbin of ignominy.
Mikey / November 15, 2010 at 05:33 pm
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I'm more interested in seeing Michno's ideas (or anyone's for that matter) for redeveloping the space underneath the Gardiner. The real barrier to the lake is Lake Shore Blvd.
shannon / November 15, 2010 at 05:34 pm
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what are people gonna do, when the time comes to replace this old bridge. The traffic mess will be huge.
James / November 15, 2010 at 06:37 pm
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I think Michno's idea is forward-thinking and deserves the city's attention. All the questions asked here are good ones and the designer ought to have the opportunity to address these issues. Remember folks, just because YOU can't think of a solution; doesn't mean it hasn't been considered. I don't think this article was meant to be technically detail the idea; just introduce it.
alan replying to a comment from Mikey / November 15, 2010 at 06:38 pm
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i agree with mikey...when will everyone realize the real barrier is lake shore blvd...in some places 6 lanes wide...
SMurphy / November 15, 2010 at 07:16 pm
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While this idea may not the be the perfect solution (if any solution), the point of something like this is to continue to have a dialogue about the issue.

Status quo is not good enough.

As for the Gardiner, I don't think tearing it down is a practical solution. Besides, it is the rail bed that is the true barrier and removing the Gardiner isn't going to change that.
Alison / November 15, 2010 at 07:38 pm
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It looks like hamster tubes. Let's all cover our cars in hamster costumes and be the most adorable giant hamster clogged city in the world. Truly world class.
Warbucks / November 15, 2010 at 07:53 pm
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The Gardiner and should be auctioned off to the the highest bidder to do with it whatever makes the most money. This is the real businessman's solution. We need to run the city like a business. We need to do what is most profitable for the city. These socialist expressways have gotta go. Respect the taxpayer.
We can't handle the traffic we have now.
Rob / November 15, 2010 at 10:28 pm
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Did anyone notice that on the last sketch on the right (west end) the Gardiner has a new junction? Nooo..tell me that's not Rossi's planned tunnel!
seanm replying to a comment from shannon / November 15, 2010 at 11:16 pm
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Due to the strength of reinforced concrete, and continual maintenance, the Gardiner will probably not need to come down in our lifetime. The only way I see it coming down anytime soon (and by soon, I mean in the next 50+ years) is if there is a massive socioeconomic or technological change that renders road-going transport obsolete. If that were to happen, the energy spent taking it down would be better spent reusing the structure anyway.

Even still, I doubt personal vehicles/truck transports/etc. will go away, even with the uncertain future of oil. Hybrids, new fuels, electricity, and possibly even solar powered automobiles will populate our future streets no doubt. I think society can get over gasoline powered cars, but people won't want to give up personal vehicles.
bob / November 15, 2010 at 11:20 pm
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Something with that aesthetic just wouldn't work in Toronto.

Alone, it just looks plain silly - futuristic pipes with trees all over? This isn't Avatar.

Toronto already has (or will have?) an angular, sleek aesthetic that needs to be taken into consideration.
Sir George Yonge, 5th Baronet / November 16, 2010 at 12:54 am
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Why is this even a problem? I mean, how does it keep coming up as an issue?

Our wealth and influence is slowly migrating west and all we do is squabble about streetcars, highways and gravy trains.

Just a total dearth of leadership these days. An unattractive highway is the least of our problems.
Cara replying to a comment from anon / November 16, 2010 at 03:02 am
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You mean the condos?
Tdork / November 16, 2010 at 07:52 am
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Imagine the filth on the glass? Who would clean that? Uh, no one.
Joey / November 17, 2010 at 01:02 am
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Lets do this!!! I'm going down to plant seeds now...
LOL / December 1, 2010 at 10:55 am
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I see Rocco Rossi and Michno have been collaborating.

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