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What do Torontonians love most about their city?

Posted by Derek Flack / September 3, 2010

I Love TOAfter polling readers on what annoys them the most about Toronto, I need to make good on a promise to write up a counter post. As a number of commenters rightly pointed out, it's nice to balance out the gripes with a little love. I get the sense, however, that this is actually a slightly more difficult exercise.

Although many Torontonians do love their city, it's rare to meet those who proclaim this unabashedly. Instead, what I hear a lot of is "it's complicated." Perhaps it should be. If the populous doesn't have a healthy understanding of the things that are wrong with their city, it'd be near impossible for it to improve over time. And besides, uncritical love is really just fanaticism, which isn't good for anybody.

So here's my list. As always, please feel free to point out what I've failed to include in the comments section.


Discussion

89 Comments

JAMB / September 3, 2010 at 12:30 pm
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you forgot to mention our TTC
Anton / September 3, 2010 at 12:32 pm
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Personally I think the first entry on the list is bang on. The best part about living in Toronto is that there's green space everywhere. Sometimes when I'm running in the Don, I can almost forget that I'm in a big city.
DUUPE / September 3, 2010 at 12:34 pm
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The tolerant attitidue of the people who live here is pretty funny.

Aaron / September 3, 2010 at 12:35 pm
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There's a large public event (or ten) almost every day. There's always something to do in Toronto.
James / September 3, 2010 at 12:37 pm
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The worst thing about Toronto? People who live here whining about what's wrong with it. Don't like it? Leave. You won't be missed.
JoeParez / September 3, 2010 at 12:47 pm
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You should add the abundance of bars/pubs to the list -- or make the change to Food! to incorporate bars.

That's what I love most about Toronto how there are so many good bars, pubs and restaurants to go to. My girlfriend and I make sure that we try a different bar and restaurant once a month. Also, the same places never get too tiresome. I'm looking at you Red Light -- great PBR night last Friday!
Knabs / September 3, 2010 at 12:49 pm
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If you had asked me this question a few months ago, I would have answered: "Not a lot." But the last few months have re-opened my eyes to things I love about Toronto. The greenspace, the library system, the cheap access to community centre pools/gyms, restaurants and grocery stores representing many countries in the world, a few community-oriented neighbourhoods like the Junction (can't speak for other ones), etc. While it's not a super-bike-friendly city, it's still bikable and getting better. As an immigrant and a person of colour, I call bunk on the multicultural myth. But it's true that white people don't stare at me while I walk down the street (unlike, say, in Kingston) and that's a bonus. Transit City, if and/or when it happens should help immensely in upping Toronto's livability factor.
Daniel replying to a comment from James / September 3, 2010 at 12:50 pm
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Wrong thread buddy
Daniel / September 3, 2010 at 12:53 pm
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I love that we have all the major sports (Baseball, Hockey, Basketball, football including NFL) to go along with MLS, Lacrosse, cricket, tennis, golf. It's nice to be able to see some of the best athletes in the world right in your own backyard.
W. K. Lis / September 3, 2010 at 12:55 pm
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I love Toronto's streetcars, subway, and the TTC, in that order.
Becs / September 3, 2010 at 12:58 pm
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I just returned from a year in Europe and you know what was the biggest relief? The lack of obvious racism. You can really feel the discomfort white people feel around people of colour, particularly blacks and gypsies.

We have our problems in the city with racism but it is nothing like Europe.
Daniel / September 3, 2010 at 01:02 pm
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The geographic location is pretty awesome too. No major earthquakes, hurricanes, tornados, floods, volcanos, forest fires like other cities have experienced recently around the world. We get to experience all four seasons. Our blizzards aren't as bad as New York and our summers are hotter than California. What more could you ask for?
The Shakes / September 3, 2010 at 01:03 pm
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I love that inspite of our inept municipal government meddling, people and businesses are still able to make shitty things awesome. Former shit holes that are now pure awesomeness include: Liberty Village, Leslieville/Riverside, Distillery, Parkdale, Brick Works, Junction, etc.

Also love that the BIA's are getting people out of the malls and big boxes and back on the streets!
Josh / September 3, 2010 at 01:03 pm
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Toronto Sucks.
qwerty / September 3, 2010 at 01:04 pm
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There should have been an option for all of the above.
Leon / September 3, 2010 at 01:09 pm
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All the beautiful women!
The Shakes / September 3, 2010 at 01:11 pm
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And in regards to food, I don't care what all the "best of lists" say, this is one time when the Suburbs actually kicks downtown's ass. If you know what you're doing, you could eat like a king in Scarborough or North York for next to nothing. Gotta love that.
Knabs replying to a comment from Becs / September 3, 2010 at 01:12 pm
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So true. The obvious racism in Europe makes me squirm and never want to set foot there again. But I think there's a lack of dialogue in this city about racism (especially the institutional, systemic variety), 'multiculturalism' and immigration -- this actually holds true for all of Canada -- and I wish that would change.
marlon replying to a comment from Knabs / September 3, 2010 at 01:30 pm
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you are calling bunk on the multicultural myth? how so? I live in riverdale and am 5 minutes away from india greece and vietnam. I think pretty much any neighbourhood in toronto is a short walk from a different culture. prove me wrong?
jamers / September 3, 2010 at 01:31 pm
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wow, i like seeing threads where things are (mostly) positive!

i agree with the racism/multicultural thing too, but to a certain extent; i feel a lot more comfortable in toronto than cities in europe, but i feel that this is more a toronto/vancouver/montreal sort of thing, rather than ALL of canada...i still feel a little uncomfortable and get some weird looks and overhear comments whenever i go up north to tobermory or other places out of the city. but still, not nearly as bad as europe, or the states, even.

but the one thing i love most about toronto is the food, yes, especially out in the 'burbs :)
marlon replying to a comment from Knabs / September 3, 2010 at 01:32 pm
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also i'm with shakes and leon. So many neighbourhoods that were in the stinker 10 years ago are not hotspots, thats pretty cool. and like leon said beautiful people should have been an option.
marlon replying to a comment from Knabs / September 3, 2010 at 01:33 pm
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not=now
steve replying to a comment from Josh / September 3, 2010 at 01:33 pm
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This has always makes me ask, if you dislike it here so much why do you live here? I find when asked what is not to your liking, the complaints apply to every city or town.
I can only conclude that you have never been anywhere or are seriously in need of help with anger issues
bob / September 3, 2010 at 01:36 pm
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The million neighbourhoods, the culture, the diversity, the arts, the architecture, the people, the beauty, the streets, the secrets, the open spaces, the million trees, the million nicknames, the list goes on and on and on!
HUK / September 3, 2010 at 01:37 pm
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NOTHING. That's why I am moving to New York
marlon replying to a comment from HUK / September 3, 2010 at 01:47 pm
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don't let the door hit you on the way out
Toronto / September 3, 2010 at 01:47 pm
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Huk ...
bNF / September 3, 2010 at 01:49 pm
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You know what's ironic about Toronto being Canada's largest city? No world-class events EVER (Olympics, Expo, etc).
Jacob / September 3, 2010 at 01:58 pm
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Stephen Harper was born in and grew up in Toronto. He didn't like it (and still doesn't), so he moved to Edmonton instead.

Maybe all the haters can move to Edmonton, too.
Ra replying to a comment from Jacob / September 3, 2010 at 02:03 pm
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HAH!

What a downgrade, are you kidding me? No wonder he's a conservative, Edmonton is a cultural wasteland.
Dark / September 3, 2010 at 02:05 pm
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I love that the city has a great sense of humor when it comes to racism.
Nico replying to a comment from qwerty / September 3, 2010 at 02:07 pm
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Agreed!

Also, "livability" is absurdly vague.
True Luv replying to a comment from Jacob / September 3, 2010 at 02:07 pm
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Maybe he's into meth.
Derek replying to a comment from Nico / September 3, 2010 at 02:13 pm
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I agree about the vagueness of the "livability" option, but it's become quite a common term.

http://bit.ly/99ie8O
Jason / September 3, 2010 at 02:15 pm
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If everyone that disliked the city packed up and left, as many are suggesting, there wouldn't be anything but a bunch of whining babies left crying about how none of the problems ever get fixed. Perhaps people should be encouraging others to try to make things better for everyone instead of taking their talents elsewhere. What a lame attitude.

This city can be fixed, we all just need to pull together.
The Shakes replying to a comment from bNF / September 3, 2010 at 02:30 pm
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As a Torontonian, i couldn't be happier that we have "No world-class events EVER (Olympics, Expo, etc)". Instead we have TIFF (top 4 film festival in the World), Caribana (largest in North America), Pride Week (largest in the world). These festivals may not be the Olympics or Expo, but they actually generate a HUGE positive return for the city. What has Expo done for Montreal? Oh yeah that's right, left it with decades of crushing debt. Thanks for giving me one more reason to love Toronto.
indianguy / September 3, 2010 at 02:39 pm
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I love the mountains, I love the clear blue skies ... (Like the Mount Pleasant for the bike ride)
I love big bridges ... (like the one that can get you to Toronto island for the BBQ)
I love when great whites fly ... (Like the Porter)
I love the whole world ... (Toronto is the Multi-Culturism)
And all its sights and sounds ... (like police cars all night)
Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da! (Vashi likes this part the best)
I love the ocean ... (almost like the Lake Ontario)
I love real dirty things ... (Like the TTC)
I love to go fast ... (on the bike lanes)
I love Egyptian kings ... (Like the one at the Musuem)
I love the whole world ... (Toronto is the Multi-Culturism)
And all its craziness ... (Like the Jesus man that scares the People at the Yonge and Dundas)
Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da! (Vashi likes this part the best)
I love tornadoes ... (only on the CP24)
I love arachnids ... (they are helping to fight wasps in the corolla)
I love hot magma ... (like the Tim Hortons)
I love the giant squid …(like the one in the chinatown)
I love the whole world, it's such a brilliant place ... (Toronto is like the whole world in the smaller place)
Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da, Boom-de-ah-da! (This is Vashis favourite part)
Knabs replying to a comment from marlon / September 3, 2010 at 02:52 pm
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Multiculturalism doesn't and shouldn't just mean that any Torontonian can waltz into India, Greece and Vietnam. For Toronto, that word has basically evolved into a brand: the government uses it to appeal to potential immigrants abroad to show that they will integrate well here; then they turn around and use the festivals and food establishments to appease the residents of the city and persuade them about the 'value' of immigration; and lastly the residents themselves use the word as a measure of how non-racist they are. Over-using the word multiculturalism does little to address the institutional, systemic racism, ignorance and pressure to assimilate that persist in the city.

Yes, on a surface level Toronto is 'multicultural' (as opposed to assimilationist) in that everyone co-exists and is given equitable rights to hang onto their racial/ethnic/cultural/religious identity. But in truth, it's not so simple. Immigrants often lead a double life, and they often struggle to find work that is worthy of their talents and qualifications. I'll give you a very simplistic example of the double life: say a South Asian person has to attend two events back-to-back. One is a gathering of South Asian people and the other being the Pride Parade. If they were wearing a kurta, sari or salwar kameez for the first event, they will very likely change into a 'more appropriate' set of clothes for the Pride Parade. No, there is no rule about it other than enormous societal pressure to assimilate, to seem more Canadian/Torontonian, to not seem like they are FOBs (fresh off the boat).
EMS replying to a comment from The Shakes / September 3, 2010 at 02:57 pm
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You should totally run for mayor. I love reading your comments! You obviously adore this city....It's so nice to read something positive for a change! Although they didn't include "hot women on bikes" as an option! Oh well - next time!

trevor / September 3, 2010 at 04:04 pm
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I love the neighborhoods, beaches, the trails; I enjoy my run because of these, and afterwards I enjoy the eateries and bars.
Roger / September 3, 2010 at 04:20 pm
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Zanta!
Cathy / September 3, 2010 at 04:27 pm
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I probably complain about the TTC more than the average person, but when I go back to Sault Ste Marie to visit family I get a whole new appreciation for it. Especially at Christmas! The bus system shuts down there at 6 on Christmas Eve and doesn't restart until the 27th. Since no one in my family drives we're either stuck at home (too far to walk anywhere) or spending $40 on cab fare. I'm definitely itching to get back to Toronto by the end of the holiday!
Marlon replying to a comment from Knabs / September 3, 2010 at 04:38 pm
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Wow knabs, you sure are a victim. I grew up with people from all over the caribbean, Europe, Africa, Asia, pretty much everywhere around the world. From school. Social events. Workplaces. I have close friends from many cultures. It's not a product it's the way it is. I'm pretty sure the people were celebrating it before 'the government' decided they could 'sell' it. 'any torontonian can waltz in' are you suggesting that these areas should be exclusive? What are you suggesting should we meld or would you prefer the cultures stay divided? As far as your double life analogy. If you go to pride you see all cultures celebrating in their home countries garb. If someone feels a need to change into something 'more appropriate' that's a choice. We are all just people from where ever we are from. I'm from Jamaica. But before I'm Jamaican or torontonian I'm a person. It's that simple. Your victim mindstate is only hurting you and holding you back. You can project onto which ever immigrant you like but at the end of the day you are only creating barriers as oppose to taking them down try to just be a person instead of a victim, sympathy seeking is for the weak
The Shakes replying to a comment from Marlon / September 3, 2010 at 05:01 pm
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Very well put Marlon.

@Knabs - there may be a few rare instances where a true culture clash may actually bring rise to pressure to assimilate (e.g. carrying a Kirpan in school), but for the most part what Marlon says is absolutely true, the pressure you feel is in your own head.

Of any city in the world, Toronto is about as pressure-free as you can get. In this city more than anywhere, people are welcome to continue practicing their traditions or to pick up new ones as they choose. I assure you, if you were to go to the Pride Parade wearing a sari, dashiki, kimono, yamulke or a speedo, no one would give a shit, except maybe yourself.
laura / September 3, 2010 at 05:18 pm
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But some areas outside the downtown core is more exclusive to certain races, unlike downtown core. Now I am not saying that other minorities don't live in those areas. But they are highly populated with certain races and culture. I live in a neighbourhood in Etobicoke that is mainly white with very few minorities. Go north above Dixon and it is more of Indian community going into Rexdale, then go east to Jane/Finch has more African Canadian people living there. Then go to northern Scarborough, example Steeles/Warden area heavy Chinese population live there. I have personally seen or been a target of racism in each of these neighbourhoods and I have no clue where people get the idea that Toronto is racist free. Sure the downtown core is a mixture of different races and works well but out in the outer regions it seems to be playing out differently. But then again I have never seen a place that is completely racist free.

On another note I know a lot of people that hate Toronto and want to get out of here. But the work is here and they have families to support. So it is not as black and white as BLOGTO posters seem to think it is. People go where the work is, if they like the city or not.

Me, i love the food and bars as well in the city.
m / September 3, 2010 at 06:26 pm
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I love this city. I don't know what it is. I was in NYC a few months ago, and I actually missed Toronto while there. (Although their transit system kicks the S*it out of ours.
Torontojoe / September 3, 2010 at 06:30 pm
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What do I love about Toronto?
The fact that we have the potential to have and one of 4 clowns as mayor of this city. No one else can lay to claim to that.
I know this is the wrong thread to say what I just said, but seriously, are you voting to elect someone, or are you voting to make sure someone doesn't get in.
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
P.S. - I like the fact that we keep all the douchebags on one street - Ossington.
morga replying to a comment from Torontojoe / September 3, 2010 at 06:37 pm
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Typical......
SI / September 3, 2010 at 07:16 pm
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THIS LIST SHOULD BE CUSTOMIZED!!!!!
SI / September 3, 2010 at 07:17 pm
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THIS LIST SHOULD BE CUSTOMIZABLE
ExPat / September 3, 2010 at 07:35 pm
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I love the fact that, living in NYC, I can take an hour long flight to the island airport, then take the streetcar to my Toronto pad and be there in less time it took to fly. I love the fact that I can maintain a Toronto pad, in a nice neighborhood, close to downtown but quiet enough to remind me Toronto is nothing like New York and should never regard that fact as a negative.
Langford replying to a comment from Marlon / September 3, 2010 at 07:44 pm
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Awesome Marlon.
warmflash / September 3, 2010 at 08:19 pm
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Only in Toronto could Adam Giambrone keep his job. Amazing.
Greg / September 3, 2010 at 09:05 pm
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Thank you for putting an "other" category that I recommended.
borga / September 3, 2010 at 09:47 pm
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this has less comments than the 'annoy' one
papa / September 3, 2010 at 09:50 pm
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all of the above.
nanalan replying to a comment from The Shakes / September 3, 2010 at 09:57 pm
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Actually, Expo '67 was pretty positive for Montreal, and it also made a lot of things happen for Canada and the world. Montreal has a world status, great architecture was erected, lots of tourists from Canada and the world, Canada finally got international recognition... it was a pretty happy thing. If Toronto got a World Exposition, I'm sure with Canada having lots of friends, it would be very successful. AND, since the goverment magically produces lots of money for events like these, lots of expansion for things like the TTC and Harbourfront would go into overdrive. Plus, lots of money from tourism since our hotels are popping up everywhere.
The Shakes replying to a comment from nanalan / September 3, 2010 at 10:19 pm
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True there were definitely some big positives to Montreal and Canada, but they weren't cheap. From Wikipedia:

"The final financial statistics, in 1967 Canadian dollars, were: revenues of $221,239,872, costs of $431,904,683, and a deficit of $210,664,811"

In today's dollars that's like $15 gazillion Personally, I'd prefer the type of events that have a positive return. Would be friggin' awesome if we could host the World Cup one day!
Heliocentric / September 3, 2010 at 11:29 pm
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The only "cold", "rude", "arrogant" people i've met in Toronto are largely those that moved here from elsewhere in Canada and act that way because they think that is the way they are supposed to act in Toronto. Native Torontonians are like everyone else, everywhere else. Some nice, some not so much. What makes Toronto special is the fact that you can live downtown and feel like you are in a small town (Condo-land excepted...they are their own breed, fleeing wherever they've come from to achieve total anonimity): i know all of my neighbours and they know me, even the ones with whom i can't communicate with because of a language barrier, i trust them more than i do many people with whom i share a first language, including all of the mayoral candidates at the moment.
Patrick / September 3, 2010 at 11:35 pm
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Oh man I'm glad to finally see some positive talk about the city. It seems like so many people are passive aggressive at best towards the city, but I love it here. I was in New York not long ago, and while I had an alright time, I hated the actual city. I couldn't wait to get back.

For the record, I chose good ol' noncommittal "livability". I guess it was the closest option to "pretty much friggin' everything" the list had to offer.
She / September 4, 2010 at 01:51 am
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You know one thing about the TTC that is amazing? The One Stop Media screens in all subway stations - (almost?) no other city in the world has anything like it.
Jessica / September 4, 2010 at 02:35 am
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ALL. Some more than others, but it's impossible to pick one. Since I'm not living there right now, it makes me want to jump on the first flight home. :(

Dear Toronto, I love you, lumps and all.
Tricia / September 4, 2010 at 09:34 am
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The relative CLEANLINESS for a city our size!

The low crime rate for a city our size!

The many activities and festivals in the summer!

Stra / September 4, 2010 at 09:39 am
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I can't believe food is anywhere close to winning this poll. The fish stinks in this city, and for that it gets a failing grade.
Paul / September 4, 2010 at 01:49 pm
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I also love the choices of ethnic hoods and foods. Chinese food is probably next best to Hong Kong,...maybe better, better meats and produce. Our Greek Town maybe the biggest in North America.

Now all we need is a beautiful water/harbourfront and more lines added to TTC.
Nick replying to a comment from The Shakes / September 4, 2010 at 02:10 pm
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I am pretty sure, Shakes, that the City and/or Province were positively involved in helping most of these areas you mention come into their own (see e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Village, and the fact that the Distillery District area was protected under the Ontario Heritage Act). There *are* many dedicated planners in our civil service.
Nick replying to a comment from warmflash / September 4, 2010 at 02:11 pm
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And Rob Ford, too!
Wow replying to a comment from Stra / September 4, 2010 at 09:38 pm
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"fish stinks in this city"

wow. maybe they smell like flowers in vancouver
cycle more, drive less / September 5, 2010 at 10:16 am
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I love the energy, it's invigorating.
jamesmallon / September 5, 2010 at 10:52 am
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What I love about Toronto, is that I'm not there right now!
jamesmallon replying to a comment from Stra / September 5, 2010 at 10:58 am
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Yes, the fish in Toronto is inedible unless overcooked. Here in Tokyo...
M replying to a comment from Stra / September 5, 2010 at 03:41 pm
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The fish stinks and/or is inedible because most of it is not from around here, so it's been frozen for long-distance shipping and thawed upon arrival. That's like complaining about how much the mangoes and pineapples we eat in Toronto suck. Or that the italian food in Tokyo sucks (which it did). What did you expect??
The Shakes replying to a comment from Stra / September 5, 2010 at 06:37 pm
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Maybe, you should try eating somewhere besides Captain john's.
Rachel / September 5, 2010 at 07:58 pm
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I have lived all over the world and still think Toronto is the greatest place to be. I love everything about it.
gadfly / September 5, 2010 at 09:48 pm
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... watching it decline and feeling like Cassandra.....
christine replying to a comment from Wow / September 6, 2010 at 11:40 am
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the fish are not fresh here, if you live near the ocean they dont smell fishy
Kat replying to a comment from Marlon / September 6, 2010 at 05:01 pm
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Great comments Marlon!
Marlon replying to a comment from Kat / September 7, 2010 at 08:50 am
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:)
Mike W replying to a comment from jamesmallon / September 7, 2010 at 10:25 am
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Toronto likes this too.
agentsmith replying to a comment from Knabs / September 7, 2010 at 01:31 pm
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You honestly think there's too MUCH pressure on immigrants to integrate in Toronto? Wow.

And it should go without saying that racism and intolerance go in all directions, ESPECIALLY in a city as diverse as Toronto. I've personally seen hijab-clad girls making fun of an Asian girl on a bus.
Emma replying to a comment from JAMB / September 7, 2010 at 05:13 pm
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I hope this is sarcasm.
Marc / September 7, 2010 at 07:25 pm
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What I love most about Toronto is its HISTORY and how it used to be. So that it's great to know that Toronto was once great, functional and had promise. I'm not old, but I'm thankful that I was able to experience a portion of when Toronto was still this.
Bloory / September 7, 2010 at 07:26 pm
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I picked livability because it is vague. I consider it the "all of the above" option of this poll.

Cheers.
jamesmallon replying to a comment from Mike W / September 8, 2010 at 10:05 am
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Jamesmallon doesn't care what Toronto thinks of him, which makes me a no Torontonian: not desperate for external validation.
Mike replying to a comment from jamesmallon / September 8, 2010 at 10:32 am
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You don't care what Toronto thinks of you, but you still post on a Toronto-based/Toronto-geared website after you've left the city?

Clearly, not only do you care what Toronto thinks of you, you think Toronto cares what you think of it.
The Shakes / September 8, 2010 at 04:28 pm
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I love The Great TORONTO Poutine Challenge. I am going to try as many of those as i can, even the freaky one that looks like ground up brains. I also love that the guy who sells the freaky one, comes on this Blog and tells everyone that doesn't like the look of his poutine to go F'Off. That to me is awesome! Good on him.
New to TO / September 9, 2010 at 07:29 am
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Having recently moved here from Vancouver, the only area where Toronto has Vancouver beat is that the women are more beautiful here. It's not much but it does numb the pain a little bit.
Mark / September 10, 2010 at 12:05 pm
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Leaving on the weekend and going to world class cities in the United States. Its great being this close to a great country like the USA.
MJ replying to a comment from Mark / September 10, 2010 at 03:23 pm
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Hey Mark,
don't forget to bring a copy of the Qur'an
for the Inaugural burning of the books.

Such a world class event could only originate from
the brains of world class citizens of world class cities
found in your great US of EH!!

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