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Inside the G20 Eastern Avenue Detention Centre

Posted by Tim / June 29, 2010

G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreThe G20 detention centre at 629 Eastern Avenue was opened to media today. Staff Sergeant J McGuire did the honours walking a few dozen reporters through the now vacated maze of a building. We were told that the facilities had been cleaned up a bit since the last prisoners were released but half eaten cheese sandwiches, toilet paper and paper cups littered the floors and holding cells and the stench of urine was almost ubiquitous throughout.

G20 Eastern Avenue Detention Centre2010629-media.jpgBefore the tour started, one of the cops (not McGuire pictured above) waiting with media begged "when is it going to be over?" to which a 680 news reporter responded "that depends on you....but....please, make it stop."

G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreWe soon proceeded to start in the area near the back of the building where prisoners were first unloaded and placed into holding cells. We saw the portable orange toilets (with no doors/privacy for security reasons) and were told the washroom facilities were made available when a prisoner asked to use them. Many still stank and had toilet paper left on the seats and floors. Toilet paper was obviously provided to prisoners but only when it was asked for (in other words, rolls were not automatically supplied in the stalls)

G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreIn this first area, it wasn't uncommon for prisoners to wait for hours while they awaited to be seen in the prisoner management trailer overseen by two sergeants.

G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention Centre It was here that they were told of their rights and food (cheese sandwiches, apples, oranges) and water was made available if asked for. There clearly wasn't a water shortage (there were plenty of unconsumed cases) but our tour guide admitted that challenging logistics may have prevented water from being dispensed in a timely manner.

G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreThe cells were mostly 10x20 although there were some smaller 10x10 ones. I was actually quite surprised how many there were. They seemed to be never-ending as we snaked our way through the facilities. Inside each had a small bench that maybe one person could lie on or 3-4 people could sit comfortably.
G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreOnce the prisoners were processed from the initial holding cells they were taken to a separate room where officers met with them in temporary booking trailers. This is where the "paperwork" was compiled (all electronic based) and everyone was subject to a strip search - either a Level 2 (pat down search) or Level 3 (strip search). Contrary to published reports we were told that all female prisoners were strip searched by female officers.
G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreOnce this process was complete prisoners were taken to the cells they would remain in for the rest of their stay. Like the other cells, many were littered with paper cups and half or hardly touched cheese sandwiches and some prisoners created messages by arranging the paper cups into words through the sides of the cells.G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreA separate room contained pay phones where prisoners were allowed to make a phone call. Again, we were told that logistics may have prevented everyone from having access to the phone booths in a timely manner (if at all) but that they were certainly available.
G20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreG20 Eastern Avenue Detention CentreOverall, of the more than 900 arrested this weekend and brought here, approximately 200 were charged and the remainder (more than 700) were released with no charges.



Andy Barratt / June 29, 2010 at 03:36 pm
Not sure what people expected. Egyptian cotton sheets?
april / June 29, 2010 at 03:38 pm
"Contrary to published reports we were told that all female prisoners were strip searched by male officers."

asdf / June 29, 2010 at 03:39 pm
something non cold to sit on would have been more fair especially seeing how 98% of the people arrested were probably innocent.
Quentin / June 29, 2010 at 03:42 pm
Is there a typo in the line "Contrary to published reports we were told that all female prisoners were strip searched by male officers."??
guy / June 29, 2010 at 03:44 pm
There are two documents that claim people would have the right to an attorney WITHOUT DELAY. Did no one ask why then did so many people complain they were not given that right?
Tim replying to a comment from april / June 29, 2010 at 03:45 pm
Sorry. CORRECTION: All female prisoners were strip searched by FEMALE officers
Harris / June 29, 2010 at 03:45 pm
Oh well, that's what you get for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It could have been worse, trust me.
Mason / June 29, 2010 at 03:48 pm
These accommodations are perfect for those individuals who caused destruction, which was somewhere between 50 and 150 individuals.

What about the rest of the 750+ people?

Some who were simply out walking the streets when the protest came upon them.

A large amount of people who were basically kidnapped by police because they were "present" at a protest.

I've seen enough video to be able to tell that the cops did do some things wrong.

Charging peaceful crowds for one.;feature=player_embedded
Chris / June 29, 2010 at 03:51 pm
This temporary prison for anti-establishment protesters is brought to you by Forbes Global 2000 ranked, Bell. Bravo!!!
Riley replying to a comment from Andy Barratt / June 29, 2010 at 03:51 pm
@ Adam Barratt
Clearly, people were expecting 5 star service at a detention centre. I'm surprised the Police didn't arrange room service with an complementary spa service...

Besides, it's not like people weren't forewarned to steer clear of downtown during G20.
picard102 replying to a comment from Mason / June 29, 2010 at 03:58 pm
If they had moved like they were told too then they wouldn't have had to charge at them several times. Instead they think the anthem is a shield and sat on the street.
ambrose replying to a comment from Riley / June 29, 2010 at 03:59 pm
How about people living there and were just going home? Haven't you read about that?
jay replying to a comment from Riley / June 29, 2010 at 04:00 pm
Sure there were a lot of gawkers who insisted on sticking around to take video and photos, which only added to the problems and the crowd sizes...but thousands of people also live and work downtown, including me.
nkw / June 29, 2010 at 04:05 pm
I'm kind of amazed that people don't understand that we won't keep our wonderful way of life in Canada if we don't stand up against illegal detainment and suppression of free speech. Paul Bernardo has better accomodations than those above. Are protestors to be treated worse than one of our worst serial killers?

Like, seriously, guys. People shouldn't have gone downtown? People LIVE downtown. It's not like they can just 'steer clear' of where they live. Nor should they have to. This is our city as much as the police's.

If we give up our rights, we will live in a place like the ones you keep telling us to go to. It's not like some of us haven't seen those places. It's not like some of the protestors don't come from them.
hendrix / June 29, 2010 at 04:07 pm
i bet some homeless guys would consider that heaven...
Nina / June 29, 2010 at 04:08 pm

seriously, you canadians are so spoiled

you should go to Mexico and see some real problems, some seriously BAD police guys, some real riots, and some really ugly detention places
jay / June 29, 2010 at 04:12 pm
As NKW said, we might now so that we DON'T end up with a situation like Mexico's.
jay / June 29, 2010 at 04:13 pm
We FIGHT now, is what I meant...
KL / June 29, 2010 at 04:13 pm
What a filthy place. Those cops who were eating those sandwiches, crapping in those toilets, drinking from those cups, and held in those cells should be ashamed of the mess they left.
Quincy Rae / June 29, 2010 at 04:14 pm
Sure some people were clearly arrested for no reason but like Riley said it's not like people weren't forewarned to steer clear of downtown during G20 and when shit hits the fan and you caught in the middle...well guess what happens.

Get in cops face long enough you'll get arrested and possibly hurt.

Go to the hotel where dipolmats are staying and you'll get arrested.

I've heard people complain that they we're vegan and couldn't eat the food.

I've heard people complain that they weren't given blankets or pillows to sleep.

Cmon your in jail.

If you want to change your government, turn off your tv's, turn off the lights, ride your bike, volunteer in a social change project, teach, quit buying so much crap, grown your own vegatables. Change it don't whinge about it...
Alecia replying to a comment from Harris / June 29, 2010 at 04:14 pm
-- Oh well, that's what you get for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It could have been worse, trust me.


Why should we trust you exactly? Have you been unfairly arrested and placed in a detention cell without any regard to your legal rights or communication as to why you were there in the first place?

If so, please share...otherwise your comment should be disregarded.
Jeslyn replying to a comment from picard102 / June 29, 2010 at 04:16 pm
If they had moved like they were told to, after being blocked in all sides by the police in riot gear, they would have been arrested even faster for charging police lines. They were boxed in, told to vacate but were not given a route out and arrested for failure to comply. They couldn't win for losing.
nkw replying to a comment from Quincy Rae / June 29, 2010 at 04:23 pm
"If you want to change your government, turn off your tv's, turn off the lights, ride your bike, volunteer in a social change project, teach, quit buying so much crap, grown your own vegatables. Change it don't whinge about it..."

How do you know the protestors /don't/ do that? My god, man - most of them are on bikes half the time! Most of them are from organizations that fight for social change! Open your eyes.

Do you think they deserve WORSE conditions than murderers, rapists, child molestors? Really? If so, I'm not sure what to say to that.
Haris replying to a comment from Alecia / June 29, 2010 at 04:31 pm
Alecia, I meant it could have been worse as in the accomodations.. or excuse me detention area.... yeah, I know. Once in Mexico and another in South America... this place looked like the Hilton compared to those.... happy now?
Quincy Rae replying to a comment from nkw / June 29, 2010 at 04:35 pm
Do you think they deserve WORSE conditions than murderers, rapists, child molestors? Really? If so, I'm not sure what to say to that. Cmon of course not.

Why surprises me is that people are surprised this ended up the way it did, being a shit show and all these terrible things happening. Cmon this is what always happens...every year. If you don't want to get caught in the maddness, don't add to it.
nkw replying to a comment from Quincy Rae / June 29, 2010 at 04:40 pm
It doesn't happen every year, but it will if we all take a 'no big deal' attitude about it.
Common Sense / June 29, 2010 at 04:42 pm
There was no reason to be in the downtown core once the trouble started and got out of control on Saturday afternoon. Stay home! If you see an out of control situation, don't walk into the middle of it!
I watched the news all weekend and it was tempting to go down and witness everything, but I didn't because it looked too unstable a situation - and guess what, I never got arrested!
Riley replying to a comment from Quincy Rae / June 29, 2010 at 04:42 pm
Quincy, very well said.
Alecia replying to a comment from Haris / June 29, 2010 at 04:44 pm
Happy? No. I feel no happiness for people who are put in this situation. But have a better understanding of your lack of compassion for the people who were affected by this past wknds events.

If it happens in Toronto, or anywhere else in the world I do not support the violation of human rights, no matter the level of severity.
Jrocking / June 29, 2010 at 04:45 pm
Where did all the fake ninjas from Saturday go?
CDG / June 29, 2010 at 04:46 pm
This was a temporary PRISON, innocent or not, all prisoners were entitled to due process, which they all received. Many innocent people are arrested daily with many different charges, that's life when you are dancing on a fence.
Riley replying to a comment from Jrocking / June 29, 2010 at 04:46 pm
Apprehended at the UofT's GSU Pub, because the Police did their job right! Kudos to them
Goldy / June 29, 2010 at 04:50 pm
London, Pittsburgh, Washington, Seattle, Quebec city were gong shows in fact they were worse...shall I continue?

never mind the G8's
Lara replying to a comment from Haris / June 29, 2010 at 04:52 pm
Just because there are conditions worse than this in other parts of the world does not mean we should be counting our blessings. I'm glad I don't have to count on you to defend my rights. "Oh well! At least you didn't get stoned to death! *high five*"
Hmm / June 29, 2010 at 04:53 pm
Knowing what went down on Saturday no one with half a brain cell can honestly say they were in the wrong place at the wrong time when the arrests came. They may not have been protesting but they knew exactly where they were and what might happen.
nkw / June 29, 2010 at 04:54 pm
I'm really concerned about the lack of concern amongst Torontonians for the erosion of our Charter rights and freedoms. That's why we love Canada, and if we allow them to be taken away, we'll live in a very different nation.

Before this weekend, I would have argued that this sort of thing would never happen here. Now, so close to Canada Day, it's hard to feel like celebrating.
Melissa replying to a comment from Riley / June 29, 2010 at 04:58 pm
There are plenty of reports of people that were not protesting at all that got caught up and taken to the detention facility.

As a side note.
I find the lack of empathy on these threads depressing. I wonder how you would feel if those were your friends, family members, or you if you happened to have found yourself downtown that day. The police have admitted themselves, some (read: roughly 700 out of 900; so, actually MOST) were caught in the net that they cast out were innocent.
It's so easy for people that were not apart of it all to just cast judgment.

I understand that the riot police have their intimidation tactics but it doesn't detract from the scary scenes that are slowly starting to pop up all over the internet. People huddled into a small circle and roughly dragged away whether it be forcefully by the arm or in a chokehold from behind looks completely over the top when the remaining people in that circle are clearly folks with no "weapons of opportunity". All of them were standing there flashing peace signs and, clearly, very frightened. Now, if this is how they treated everyone in the light of day, in public in front of cameras and media alike - how much worse do you think this got behind doors at the detention center? I'm sure stories on both sides will be sensationalized at some point or another but I think it would be ridiculous to think that people asked to be treated the way they had [which we can only imagine] by heading downtown that day to participate in their 'right' to peaceful protesting.

I wonder if empathy can be inspired from people after they see things with their own eyes since they were *so* responsible and were removed from it all - watching it, like me, from the comfort and safety of their own homes where speculation comes so easily.
outsider replying to a comment from Harris / June 29, 2010 at 05:08 pm
Thank you! Finally someone who gets it! This is the way the rest of the country sees it as well!!
John / June 29, 2010 at 05:11 pm
This fascist police state has been a part of Canada since I was born 50yrs are now seeing it on a grand scale...
Go to work, pay your taxes, and don't complain..that's all the Gov't wants from you.
While they misappropraite funds,make bias decisions and create a mess of the world... with no accountability.
Been like that forever!!!!
Now get back in line or you will be arrested, again!!!!!
Quincy Rae / June 29, 2010 at 05:12 pm
These were my friends and members of my community that got arrested. Not just a few either, many! I could have easily been one of them but my common sense told me better then to get caught in the middle. I dunno cops walking around everywhere and in riot gear are a warning sign to me.

I could not speculate anything from the comfort of my home. I do not own a tv. Nor did I hide in my house. I tried as best as I could to enjoy the downtown core both saturday and sunday.

Magnum P.I. / June 29, 2010 at 05:14 pm
The cops are already doing it, but I thought I would spend a few minutes and check out the tweets of Alex Hundert,one of the dbags charged as being a leader of the shit on the weekend:
RT @kavitabee: Watch out for a 'james halmer' who claims to be with the alt media centre but is trying to take photos of blackrs discret
4:58 PM Jun 25th
Gee. So the Blackrs are your friends? Really now?

Oh well.

Ha ha how about this one from his group g20mobilize:
black bloc marching east on queen st. along with others to take back the streets!!! #g20report #g20
4:15 PM Jun 26th via web
Sure sounds like he supports the Black Bloc, don't it.

Wait how about Hundert's buddy Kavita Bissoondial's (tweetname kavitabee) tweets that celebrate the damage?
American apparel got pwned #g20report
5:19 PM Jun 26th via Twitpic
Ppl proceed up yonge, yonge st got pwned #g20report
5:11 PM Jun 26th via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Just saw a starbucks get smashed on yonge, awesome #g20report
5:04 PM Jun 26th via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Police cruiser smashed on queen nice! #g20report
4:20 PM Jun 26th via Twitter for BlackBerry®

But none of that is as golden as this gem she stupidly offers up:
Not even in the march yet and my friend is getting harassed bawc 175 #g20report
2:54 PM Jun 26th via Twitpic
Gee let's look at the twit pic - recognize that blue/green jacket?

Sure you do - it's the same guy who busted the windows of the Queen St Scotiabank.

How f'ing stupid are these people making it so easy to nail them???

Don't worry, kavitabee - all your tweets have been forwarded to the cops. You're welcome.
Hunter / June 29, 2010 at 05:18 pm
Criminals deserve to be in cages.
akswun / June 29, 2010 at 05:18 pm

well then you figure out how to process hundreds of people within 48hours and give them better conditions....

People that are in "PRISON" have those amenities because its a PRISON... this was a makeshift detention center.... if anything probably a lot better than a Jail... have you ever been inside a Jail? are you kidding me!!!.... you'd be lucky to keep your teeth let alone a cheese sandwich.....

Its unfortunate that a majority of the people who were arrested were eventually let free and had to be pent up in a detention center for hours.... but really what do you want?.... I don't think the Police expected to keep anyone longer than Sunday in the detention center....

People are complaining because they've never experienced what its like to be a criminal regardless if they're guilty or not. You're arrested.... take a dam rest....

The conditions were fine .... ask a homeless person what they think about the conditions and I willing to bet they'd think that all these people complaining are a bunch of babies!
Greg J. Smith replying to a comment from hendrix / June 29, 2010 at 05:19 pm
@hendrix: "i bet some homeless guys would consider that heaven..."

You'll have to ask the homeless people that were there - reports are that several dozen were swept off the streets to this facility BEFORE the summit began. I wonder what their crime was.
JB / June 29, 2010 at 05:28 pm
Did they get a building permit to convert the Industrial Occupancy (warehouse) (Group F, Division 3 under the Ontario Building Code) to a Detention Occupancy (Group B, Division 1 under the Ontario Building Code). In addition, were there sufficient staff to accommodate the evacuation of the number of people held in detention and was there sufficient number of exits?
jamesmallon / June 29, 2010 at 05:28 pm
'Logistics' are their excuse? Would you accept that excuse if it were your daughter in jail? Well, then don't sweep up 700 people, most not 'black block' but legally protesting (as much as the law matters anymore), if you can only lay charges (you know, have anything called 'evidence') against a few dozen. This is not going to get the inquiry it deserves.
nkw replying to a comment from akswun / June 29, 2010 at 05:30 pm
Look, the government and the ISU should have sorted out the logistics of processing people, but the point is - hundreds of people were not criminals and did not deserve to be locked up. That's not 'unfortunate', it's a violation of human rights. Not everyone was permitted to make a call or speak to a lawyer. 15 year old kids were locked up. You are innocent until proven guilty in this country, but this weekend, it was the other way around.

And I really do not find it acceptable to say prison is better conditions because it's not 'makeshift'. Would it have killed them to have a wooden bench? Given people dry clothing? Turned off the A/C so people didn't freeze?

Some homeless don't go to shelters sometimes because they're dirty or unsafe. I hardly think they'd be thrilled with being thrown into a dog cage. As Greg points out, you can ask some. :P
steve / June 29, 2010 at 05:54 pm
Those are some pretty nice looking phone booths BELL. Bell. Bell. Bell. If I was a big corporation like BELL, I sure wouldn't be happy to see my BELL logo in any connection to this mess. Bell. Bell. Bell. I wonder if they used "Bell Mobility" or "Bell TV" or "Bell Internet".

The other John replying to a comment from John / June 29, 2010 at 05:56 pm
Please don't be stupid, John #1. If you really believe this, you've got a serious paranoia problem. (And for the record, I'm outraged at the abuses that took place. But let's keep some perspective.)
AlexL / June 29, 2010 at 06:01 pm
I spent 22 hours in this detention center for a breach of the peace (arrested with hundreds of others outside Novotel HOtel). There is definitely some misinformation in this article. Nobody was EVER given fruit that I could see - We were carted out sandwiches twice and given water roughly every 3 hours (approx 200mL in a styrofoam cup). I was lucky to get that - I heard of others waiting hours for water.

"In this first area, it wasn't uncommon for prisoners to wait for hours while they awaited to be seen in the prisoner management trailer overseen by two sergeants."

I was never let out of the first area! I and many of the others in my cage spent the whole 22 hours in there, supposedly waiting to be "processed" while many others were arrested, brought in and let out again within an hour or two.

"A separate room contained pay phones were prisoners were allowed to make a phone call. Again, we were told that logistics may have prevented everyone from having access to the phone booths in a timely manner (if at all) but that they were certainly available."

I was NEVER read my rights, ONCE. I was NEVER given the opportunity to phone for a lawyer. The sign in the picture above which informed prisoners of their legal rights to a lawyer was never seen by me. Some of us were told we would be able to call "later", and some were told that there were supposedly only 2 phones in the building so it would take time to make a call.

"Overall, of the more than 900 arrested this weekend and brought here, approximately 200 were charged and the remainder (more than 700) were released with no charges."

Many of us were also released without ANY paperwork to show that we had ever even been in police custody (including myself)! When my girlfriend demanded paperwork to prove she had been held in custody, she was told to "call head office". She insisted being given paperwork, but they just repeated to call head office and escorted her out the door.
rebecca / June 29, 2010 at 06:02 pm
wow get over it, if you guys didn't want to get trampled then you should of moved, if you guys have such a serious problem take it out with the people that take care of that problem do u seriously think china and mexico care about u... no . They were meeting up to fix the massive debt the economy is in. You guys are the reason there is millions more in damage now, if there was no protesters, no damage would have been done. I think the protesters should be responsible in paying for the damages, not my tax money. Those cells are amazing, you got fed, more then any homeless person gets or someone living in Haiti right now. God if I was any of those police officers and saw u getting in the way and being annoying when you KNEW ur to get out of the way or ull get charged at hell id put u in here to. retards.
Justin replying to a comment from Riley / June 29, 2010 at 06:03 pm
WHo said we have to steer clear of downtown because of G20, this is Canada, you know strong and 'free' I thought if you were free you could go anywhere in public, where ever you wanted, when ever you wanted, and you don't even need a reason to be there, remember freedom?
PW / June 29, 2010 at 06:30 pm
Laughable... You were "told" to stay home. GTFOHWTB...

I live and work in these locations. I went about my life for the most part. Went to the movies, got a haircut, etc. If I didn't, doesn't that mean the terrorist win???

Logan / June 29, 2010 at 06:31 pm

If you want to roam where ever you want, then you have to be adult about it and accept the consequences of your actions.

You can't yell at the government for restricting your right to tapdance in a mine field.
JohnnyM replying to a comment from rebecca / June 29, 2010 at 06:32 pm
Jay / June 29, 2010 at 06:34 pm

what did you expect? wallpaper? a chalkboard with color chalks to draw?
Riley replying to a comment from Justin / June 29, 2010 at 06:36 pm
yup, based on your logic my freedom permits me to walk into a burning building too, because that is my right. But then again my common sense tells me that if it looks dangerous, if the situation looks unstable, I had better stay away.
picard102 replying to a comment from Jeslyn / June 29, 2010 at 06:39 pm
They were trying to move and disperse the crowd long before they got too Queen and Spadina.
Kat / June 29, 2010 at 06:42 pm
The version of how things went down in the cell is very different than that of my friend who was actually held there... For 23 hours.!/note.php?note_id=397205503638&;id=511491565&ref=mf
WanderingPenguin replying to a comment from JohnnyM / June 29, 2010 at 06:46 pm
@ JohnnyM: Best. Answer. Ever.
Quincy / June 29, 2010 at 06:57 pm
This wandering gypsy anarchist who can't stand the establishment more than all of you put together enjoyed her weekend in the downtown core despite the madness. I even went to the Jazz Fest in Nathan Phillips. I was even granted permission by two police division 52 and 14 to have a gathering of 30 people in the security zone.

We came in peace, the cops ate their dinner with us in peace. I also witnessed something not even one news station or journalist picked up on...The world leaders late night friday night party. Man I wish I was a terrorist when I saw what I saw.

This past weekend was what you made it. I as a Canadian did exercise my freedom in the downtown core and my freedom was respected by the police. I never thought I would say that either.

Innocent people were injured. Yes! Civil right were breached. Yes! But in the end, what did you think was going to happen? These people don't exactly do customer service now do they.

Like I said before the large amounts of cops in riot gear should have been a warning sign to all of you!
K9 / June 29, 2010 at 07:10 pm
Those cells look way better than some of the best rooms you can get in a 'third world country' soo, what were those guys protesting about?
Torontians are just bored... and suck!
gtfo / June 29, 2010 at 07:13 pm

What is with all the reactionary psychos on here trying to justify the illegal detention of peaceful protesters? You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. The right to freedom of assembly and free speech is a Canadian value. I didn't even protest, but I am appalled by the way the police handled this. I suppose the police supporters here would rather live somewhere like North Korea?

People deserve to be thrown in jail for going downtown at the wrong time? Are you complete lunatics -- or just Sun readers?
Brian / June 29, 2010 at 07:14 pm
Behave like animals, you get caged like animals. I for one, watched the entire thing on various TV stations and saw anarchy at every street corner. Great job protesters. You've certainly won over the world masses to understand your cause - NOT.
MonkeyMan / June 29, 2010 at 08:07 pm
I don't get why so many commenters seem to be welcoming living in a police state; upholding imaginary fence laws, etc... your liberties are eroding and you all seem to be welcoming it with open arms.
Hunter replying to a comment from MonkeyMan / June 29, 2010 at 08:24 pm
Unless you have lived in a real police state, your hyperbole is easily dismissed. The vast majority support the police actions because they were necessary to deal with the criminals and all their enablers. Its easy for you armchair protesters to sit back and whine about the cops.
dee dee / June 29, 2010 at 08:24 pm
That place looks nicer than my apartment!.

STOP WHINING ! Deep down inside, you guys know you wanted this little thrill, ADMIT IT! This was the highlight of your summer!
Why Canada is not Mexico / June 29, 2010 at 08:31 pm
Nina - "seriously, you canadians are so spoiled you should go to Mexico and see some real problems, some seriously BAD police guys, some real riots, and some really ugly detention places"

Through upholding laws, filing complaints, and publicly looking into what happened we prevent ourselves from becoming Mexico.
Justin replying to a comment from Riley / June 29, 2010 at 08:32 pm

I guess just give up all your rights cause your afraid then, oh well, don't go outside! stay indoors, block the windows, lock the doors!

Hunter replying to a comment from dee dee / June 29, 2010 at 08:33 pm
All the amateur photographers with their cheap cameras couldn't be happier. And its the best thing to happen to Blogto and torontoist. I think they are enjoying it more then anyone.
CheapLaugh replying to a comment from MonkeyMan / June 29, 2010 at 08:35 pm
Simple, they're infected with American Teabag Fever.
Raoul / June 29, 2010 at 08:35 pm
Pretty nice facilities, and I'm NOT being sarcastic!

I have been inside a few Eastern European prisons (as a visitor), and these so-called Canadian "anarchist" pussies would be crying like littl girls who lost their dolly in about five minutes... give or take four minutes.
Riley replying to a comment from Justin / June 29, 2010 at 08:35 pm
common sense =/= paranoia
Bryanna replying to a comment from nkw / June 29, 2010 at 08:36 pm

I'm glad you exist.
Justin replying to a comment from Logan / June 29, 2010 at 08:37 pm
Just being in public isn't illegal, no matter how many police are in the street, you shouldn't be afraid of being arrested, are you comparing police to mines? you never know when they will go off?
Steve / June 29, 2010 at 08:39 pm
Neat - I've never seen the inside of a jail for white people before.
Upset / June 29, 2010 at 08:49 pm
Theres people starving in this world and these protesters wasted all that food.
I can't believe my tax dollars went to feed these ungrateful clowns.
Jimmy # 2 / June 29, 2010 at 08:51 pm
Here's an interesting account by a "photojournalist" who claims to have followed the Black Bloc all along:

Well, pretty interesting, that is, up to the point where he follows them to Queen's Park, sees them huddling in a circle shedding their clothes, but then FAILS TO TAKE A SINGLE F'ING PHOTO OF THIS. THEN FAILS TO TAKE SINGLE SHOT OF THEM DISPERSING. He then shrugs in his video commentary ""after that I just lost track of them"

Kenny / June 29, 2010 at 08:53 pm
You knew the G20 was gonna be a police-controlled shitshow, but you still went. You were told to stay away, you didn't. You knew violence had taken place in the same area the previous day, but ignored it and went there the next day. You were told to move, you didn't. You knew cops were closing in, but you didn't leave when you had the chance. Do I really need to go on?

Police state? Puh-leez. I had absolutely NO run-ins with this so-called police state. Wanna know why? Cuz I stayed the hell away from the fence and surrounding inner areas!

All this talk about freedom to be on the streets and such... why don't you exercise your freedom by heading up to Jane/Albion & Finch at midnight? Most of you won't knowing you'd probably find yourself in deep shite. Well, by exercising your right to mobility during the G20 in the heart of the G20, you found yourself in deep shite. Go figure.
Kenny replying to a comment from Melissa / June 29, 2010 at 09:00 pm
I wanted to add, my brother lives downtown, not really in the security zone but close enough. He wandered on the streets taking pictures/videos but found himself boxed in by a shitload of cops for about an hour. They eventually let the crowd go but the intensity of the situation got to him... so guess what he did? Stayed the hell away from the hot areas the next day!

I told him exactly what I'm gonna say here "If you didn't wanna get harassed or fucked by the police, then why the hell did you go?" I had no sympathy/empathy/remorse for him cuz he made a very cognitive decision to go to the heart of the chaos, despite knowing full well of the most-likely outcome of said chaos. Police gestapo!
Randy / June 29, 2010 at 09:06 pm

I live near the Eastern Avenue detention centre, and had no interest whatsover in going there as a spectator. I spoke to a cabbie, and he said he saw young couples downtown with their toddlers, videotaping the demos!

If taking your kids to see a violent protest is a form of entertainment, then we are in reallly deep shit.
Logan / June 29, 2010 at 09:09 pm

The land mines are the rioters, you know the ones that the 'peaceful protesters' didn't do anything about {like inform the police where they are and where they're going after they stripped out of their black clothing and hid among the peaceful ones?}

The Police were the mine sweepers, and if you willfully walked out into the mine field and you got snagged by a mine sweeper that's your fault, not the fault of the mine sweeper.

@Kenny, awesome post sir, I totally agree.
John / June 29, 2010 at 09:22 pm
Please don't be stupid, John #1. If you really believe this, you've got a serious paranoia problem. (And for the record, I'm outraged at the abuses that took place. But let's keep some perspective.)

John #2..Wake the F up...ever hang out downtown...screw around in any way...end up in 52 Division...object about your treament...and you'll want too..get ready to take a beating..and you'll be charged with assault police...happens all the time..try it!!!
Cops plant drugs,cops steal money,kill ppl, lie under oath..etc etc etc ...(where do u live???)NOTHING HAPPENS TO THEM!!(hence why they do it)
Its a corrupt organization..nothing changes because of fools like you having a blind eye to reality...Gov't protects police cause police protect Gov't..simple...The world is a corrupt place even our lovely country...
Not as much as some places ..but that doesnt make it right!!
DL / June 29, 2010 at 09:37 pm
With Toronto voting Liberal/NDP every election, I'm surprised to see all these authoritarian comments on here. Where do you guys go on election day??
DL / June 29, 2010 at 09:38 pm
With Toronto voting Liberal/NDP every election, I'm surprised to see all these authoritarian comments on here. Where do you guys go on election day??
rahm replying to a comment from Brian / June 29, 2010 at 09:55 pm
"..I for one, watched the entire thing on various TV stations.."

You couldn't have seen "the entire thing" because TV news is a highly selective presentation of events, narrated to convey a particular point of view which inevitably conceals the variety and complexity of what happened. Hence the term: news "story".

News doesn't just "exist" out there on its own, it's constructed by the people who present it to us. A volcano exploding somewhere isn't inherently "news" until someone decides it's something to which people's attention should be drawn. Many things happen in the world that we don't hear about or know about.

I'm not sanctioning the violence that happened but simply pointing out that the news media give disproportionate attention to spectacles like petty vandalism that are easy to cover and grab our attention. Other forms of violence/harm are hidden from our view even though their consequences may be far more devastating. We cannot rely on TV news to present "reality" to us.

For example, the killing of numerous *innocent* Afghan civilians far outweighs the horror of some broken windows and petty vandalism. But because those civilians are thousands of miles away and perhaps look and act differently than we do, what is done to them - in our name, with our money - is obscured from our view. To those who say "what if it was your house/property that was vandalized?" I say "what if it was your innocent relative who was killed by an invading army?"
dee dee / June 29, 2010 at 10:00 pm

Being put off by these aggressive pot addled 'protesters' does not qualify anyone as being 'authoritarian' puts you in the mainstream of Canadian popular opinion...whether you'd like to accept it or not.
Chris Charabaruk replying to a comment from DL / June 29, 2010 at 10:00 pm
You think these are actual Toronto citizens? Guess again, I'd say they're Con Party astroturfers. Wouldn't be the first nor the last time they've tried this shit.
nkw replying to a comment from Bryanna / June 29, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Thank you. I was getting discouraged there. Also glad to see there's other people who actually care about their rights - you all calling us whiners should see the comments from Americans on other sites. They're feeling sorry for you for sitting down and taking this shit with a smile.
dee dee / June 29, 2010 at 10:22 pm
suddenly you care what American
Logan / June 29, 2010 at 10:25 pm

American's weren't here, and if this were an American city, do you think that something similar wouldn't have happened?

Apparently these "Americans" that you speak of don't know too much about America. They would have far less sympathy for the protesters than what you are seeing here.
g / June 29, 2010 at 10:42 pm
a couple of notes and inconsistencies in response to your article from my experience being detained in the prison:
- we were never given bottled water. the only people who had bottled water to drink were the cops themselves. also, many people report being given slightly discoloured water that smelled faintly of urine.
- nobody i was ever with was given apples or oranges. i made it very clear that i am unable to eat cheese and butter and requested many times if i could have just a plain slice of bread or if there were any other options but was told to shut the f*** up
- i was never told my rights, not when i was getting arrested nor when i was being processed
- i was repeatedly denied my right to use the phone to call my lawyer over my entire 18 hour detention
McKingford replying to a comment from DL / June 29, 2010 at 10:44 pm
They don't live in Toronto, they're North Koreans.
R Linders / June 29, 2010 at 11:14 pm
I am deeply embarassed for Canada. We were supposed to be a beacon of tolerant and dignified human behaviour to the world. Yes, the public mischief of a few miscreants was unacceptable. But have we not become equally abhorrent to tolerate make-shift jails like this for mass arrests without cause? And now we discover the public was mislead by public figures to exercise unprecedented powers! This is not a civil society. This is not Canada.
Common Sense replying to a comment from Kenny / June 29, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Common Sense replying to a comment from Kenny / June 29, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Protesting Protestor / June 29, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Cheese sandwiches. Wow, that's so terrible. Apples and oranges too? Fight the power, guys. Cheese sandwiches ARE ONLY FIT FOR TODDLERS!!!!!!!!111
Police Gestapo replying to a comment from Kenny / June 29, 2010 at 11:39 pm
It's funny, you just called it a Police Gestapo, like that's ok have in Toronto; you just need to stay away from it.

I've lost hope in humanity.
tyler replying to a comment from Riley / June 29, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Most of the people getting arrested (myself included) lived and worked in the area. How do you avoid where you live?
Marc / June 29, 2010 at 11:53 pm
It's so sick and a joke how they have this detention centre - a centre for such trite things, yet they still had to make sure to take the time to carry out the bilingual law and practise, with their signs (english and french) inside the centre. Pathetic and the police or whatever just made a joke of themselves. Very Royal Cdn. Air Farce or 22 Minutes skit.
Dickhead replying to a comment from asdf / June 30, 2010 at 01:52 am
98%. Really. And how did you arrive at this figure? Fuckwad.
propcar / June 30, 2010 at 02:02 am

As you can see from this video, the cop cars weren't set on fire by roaming packs of anarchists... a lone douchebag, face not covered, dropped a flaming substance in the car. Other people tried to put out the fire and stop it from happening. Violence is not evident anywhere. It's just people with cameras. The lack of police presence near the abandoned cop cars speaks volumes for how manufactured the situation was.

In case someone needs me to spell it out: the police were hoping that someone would start that fire so they could roll heavy the next day and sell their "we needed that 1 billion dollars, see?" story. There were many thousands of cops in town. The decision to leave those cars unprotected was just that -- a decision. They could easily have covered it and made arrests if they'd wanted to, and there wouldn't have been any outcry (police arrest suspects beside flaming cop car? well duh.)

Contrast that video with the one of people being rushed and boxed in by the cops at Queen and Spadina on sunday and it becomes all the more absurd. The police are OK leaving their property out and encouraging its destruction, but they really want to beat down a bunch of innocent randoms, some of who were just passing by a busy intersection?

Anyone who says "you deserved this if you were there" doesn't deserve to live in Canada. Simply disgraceful. This is shady police tactics through and through.
MRC / June 30, 2010 at 02:43 am
Good post, but it maybe shows 10% of the reality experienced in that studio. If you weren't in that "jail" you deserve NO RIGHT ("freedom of speech") to express your oppinions on it from your vaguely distant and mediated perspective.

I was nothing but a neutral photographer surveying the whole situation throughout the whole city all day Saturday. After I went home to shower and eat before meeting a fellow photographer(we only shoot film) for a quiet bike ride to survey the city. After stopping just outside the downtown core, no where near the fences, we were approached by cops on bikes, questioned and arrested on spot on the conspiracy of intell from some text messeges in our phones that, with semantics twisted, seem criminal in intent("the action is at this intersection" "Ill be there in t-minus 3 minutes" etc).

We were fully cooperative and meant no harm, nor were we protesting anything this weekend. We both hate and are disgusted with everything as much as we respect and understand it.

My friend was treated pretty respectfully, but they put me with ex-cons and the most serious criminals waiting for court hearings and used every textbook trick to try and break me down.

I was released after 21 hours in 10 different cells with half my property (no shoes, phone, camera, film or bike) which is somewhere "in limbo" untill these unorganized and unprepared idiots can clean up the mess they made.

You can't justify 1 billion dollars spent on security if it's this bad. Canadians have spent almost 150 years fighting for our rights just so we don't live in a place like Mexico City. This all came because the organizers had no idea what they were dealing with or how important something like G20 is to the people of a country like Canada, from both a positive and negative perspective.

Trudeau would've either killed himself or been the leader of a mass police genocide if he was alive this weekend. This was anarchy OF the system, not IN the system. Crusty street punks dream to burn cop cars and they can very well justify their reasoning when our society isn't being served or protected. If the oppurtinity is there for the free taking, people will live their dreams and reach their zenith regardless of intent.

The government represents the people and the people pay for the police. That crown on the shoulder of every cop working their JOB means they WORK for us and must reason with every word we say intelligently and compassionately. All I experienced this weekend was 800% ignorance.

The cops this weekend weren't working their jobs, the jobs were working them. They weren't human, they were above human and getting paid a lot of money to not want to be there.

**Apologies for grammatical errors as I am still physically, mentally effected by my experiences this past weekend. 18 hours documenting on Saturday followed by 20 hours handcuffed in flourescent lighting messes with one in ways you couldnt imagine.**
Aaron / June 30, 2010 at 02:53 am
I think this sets a nice precidence for people who decide they want to take over the street / destroy property and inconvenient the rest of the city because they're "curious" or pretending to be hardcore and fight the man for a weekend.
If the 4,000 people that protested all weekend spent their time somewhere else planting trees they would have improved the planet but guess what - they didn't and got arrested and whined about it instead.
As for the people just trying to get home and not involved- that shouldn't have happened and I feel bad for them. I also feel bad for the police who stood there while people yelled in their face, taunted them, blew smoke in their eyes, made them stand in the heat and rain (yes they were being paid but it was unneccessary if people had decided to do something else besides protest in the street), maybe they planted a few cars to be set on fire and instigated some rioting - both sides are guilty of being ridiculous, but again maybe next time the entire city will think about it twice before going out and making a spectacle of the city and behaving themselves.
Duckie replying to a comment from Nina / June 30, 2010 at 03:04 am
We live in Canada NOT MEXICO, and for good reason. We want to live in a democratic society, that's why we live here in TORONTO, ONTARIO, CANADIAN! Last I checked I am a Canadian and a Torontonian. And no matter which way you look at it the G20 weekend was BS, and should not have been held where it was.
If Steven Harper had listened to David Miller when he suggested Exhibition Place as the site for the summit, it would not have gotten so out of control. It could have been contained. But no he had to be a show off with the Royal York Hotel as the place, even if it was dead centre downtown and disrupted 80% of Torontonians lives.
And the police used Saturday's violence as an excuse for their actions on Sunday and to exhonourate themselves from STEALING $1.2 Billion Dollars of OUR money and then brutalizing the people who give them their pay checks.
As far as I'm concerned Bill Blair, Stephen Harper, and every other political head had a responsibility to make sure that OUR CITY, and STREETS were safe, the point is they didn't, either from the BBP vandals or from themselves. I think they all should be ashamed of themselves! Torontonians should unite as a whole and not let something like this ruin our city and country's rep.
And by the way Nina we pay good money to live in Toronto, it is one of the most expensive places to live in North America, and the most expensive in Canada, we pay for services such as TTC and GO transit which was stolen from us for 2 days. Doesn't sit right in the hearts of TRUE Torontonians.

And there were people just waiting for the streetcar to go home from work on Sunday at Spadina and Queen and got arrested being outside the area that was designated.
Bill Blair if you ever read this you owe us an appology. My cousin was rounded up in your cattle herding shanangans on Sunday. Wake up not everyone who was there deserved it. You're a putz. Peace.
Duckie replying to a comment from Raoul / June 30, 2010 at 03:14 am
A lot of people were innocent and let go. And BTW we live in CANADA not Eastern Europe. So speak of particulars that apply to this.
May I remind you that 900+ people were held in a facility only made for 500, Imagine that! Only 250 people were actually charged. so there's 650+ that were innocent so yeah. Knowledge makes you wise, don't speak just because you can.(our right of free speech BTW)
MRC / June 30, 2010 at 03:22 am
This past weekend justified that Democracy is both a delusion and an illusion.

Just because we each get to vote who is in "office" doesn't mean its a credible office or that we are at all free or liberated. We are humans, not slaves and not sheep. We can take the city and watch it burn or live in peace, either way we have the right to resist oppression physically and mentally.

Planting trees this past weekend somewhere in rural Ontario has nothing to do with a heightened hyperreal capitalist society. Don't suggest such nonsense.

The Canadian labour force is being outsourced and streamlined because of digital media/technology (that everyone is walking around documenting the events with but doesn't understand the basic process or structural systems of) and this country is going to have to rely more and more on tourism. Hence growing international communities and the deminishing of regional communities/regional rights. (TTC worker arrested and detained while shutting down his empty street car Saturday evening).

It's just plain ignorance that allow our basic rights to be taken away without clear notice.

I was out there all day beating Black Bloc's when they appeared out of the crowds, where was the help I needed to prove the right point?... Sitting at home watching T.V or browsing the Internet getting ready to express their OPPINIONS.
Michaël Lessard / June 30, 2010 at 03:26 am

I had a ball reading it: it's amazing how, while you can easily imagine the shame of the situation, he makes it amusing as hell to read. He has an incredible memory!;id=511491565
Michaël Lessard / June 30, 2010 at 03:49 am
Wow, I'm flabbergasted. As an independent reporter, focused on human rights, I have read many reports and spend a lot of time looking into the G20 repression, but this testimony is very moving. You have my sympathies.
Eric / June 30, 2010 at 04:02 am
Cage City... I passed 18 hours there. Sleeping on cold concrete floor, begging for water, for crappy cheeze sandwiches that were given every 8 hours, in no running water cells, in no toilet cells, without our shoes, without the rights of any calls, without any human rights at all. That was before I was transfered in a courthouse which was very lool alike, VERY... exept for the running water... where I have stayed another 13 hours... Before being transfered to the Maplehurst maximum security prison where I had my first hot meal.. But no calls to a layer, to anybody in 4 days in prison.
k8 / June 30, 2010 at 04:06 am
I just wanted to make an observation that those posting comments addressing the appalling unlawful arrests of peaceful protestors and passersby, the injustice of basic human rights being violated, seem to be making eloquent and well thought out statements without calling names. The same cannot be said for the majority of people I have seen posting here (and on other articles/videos concerning the G20 protests) that feel it was okay to ignore innocent people's rights. It's difficult to take these people seriously when they are spewing sarcasm and name-calling.

'What do you expect going into an area with riot police?' These people were brave enough to look at the bigger picture, fight for issues bigger then themselves, even with the presence of the riot police, believing that so long as they behaved within the limits of the law, they would be protected. People's rights and freedoms should not be conditional and it is frightening that the law can be tossed aside so easily.

We owe a lot to protestors and it does make a difference. It's especially unsettling to see other women and non-whites supporting this sort of oppression. It goes to show how greatful you all are of your ancestors who protested to get you the vote you enjoy today.

Also wanted to address the comments made about Anarchism on both sides. Anarchism itself is not this evil political view and for the vast majority of credible anarchists, violence is not acceptable. Most anarchists would never consider using Black Bloc tactic in a protest. I suggest people read up on it before throwing the term around.
Duckie replying to a comment from Chief Blair / June 30, 2010 at 04:09 am
Free Speech. Reminder WE pay YOUR salary.
Alice / June 30, 2010 at 04:22 am
I am completely disgusted by peoples' response to this article.

We don't live in fucking "mexico" as one individual so eloquently stated, people were on their way home in downtown toronto (yet another more positive comment), these were not all criminals (as another person stated). And for fucks sake we have rights for a reason. How can you compare this to situations in other countries?!? Are we all supposed to expect the lowest level of human rights because it exists in other parts of the world? That's an awfully backwards way of thinking, isn't it?

This generation is so unbelievable apathetic that when human rights violations happen on our own doorstep (in clear view of various media) the first reaction is to comment, "get over it!".
Fucking sad and ashamed to be apart of it.
Ednonymous / June 30, 2010 at 07:35 am
To "Alice" and all other blinkered self-righteous morons who have never left Toronto: Get over yourself... there is a real world out there with real consequences when you commit a crime. Are you one of those people who thinks meat is manufactured in supermarkets?

All these people had the right to get arrested for rioting... did you not see the news? Did they have the right to attack police, set cars on fire, attack & loot businesses? Many of these "peaceful protesters" showed up armed. They thoughtlessly put everyone's lives at risk and then whined about getting arrested.

If you look at the average "protester"/ arrestee they do not consist of a cross-section of society. Most are bored mommy/daddy funded youth (how many were actual Canadian citizens?). I truly wonder what kind of education most have (doubtfully past high school and most certainly none in post graduate economics).

If they had any brains, they would realize that THEY DO NOT REPRESENT CANADIAN SOCIETY and these "protests" are not only ignored but detested by the people who have to pay for this foolishness. I'd like the protesters to pay for the security which would not be required if all they really did was protest. Real protesters do not cover their faces and take bats & steel pipes to "demonstrate'. These people all showed up to create havoc and cause damage.

Nate / June 30, 2010 at 07:49 am
Don't feel bad for anyone that spent the night there. The G20 protests looked like one big photo OP anyway. 50% people taking pics of cops with iphones. Should of stayed home I guess.

Wahhhhh waaaaah!
Susan / June 30, 2010 at 08:07 am
I think we need to get this straight
(1)The Black Bloc (dressed all in black masked) these were the people who set the police cars on fire and smashed windows
(2)The protesters these people have a right both under the Constitution and under common law (in Canada this is how Canadians have traditionally voiced concerns that they felt were not being adequately being addressed by their elected representatives and in fact many of the rights and freedoms that we all enjoy today came about as a result of protests led by our parents and our grandparent)
(3) The Police their job their motto "to serve and protect" it was their job to protect all the people in Toronto including the legitimate protesters and to stop the easily identifiable Black Boc from disrupting the protests and causing all the violence and damage right from the beginning
(4) The Politicians elected to Represent the Canadian People ( transparency is needed here folks)
mr hate / June 30, 2010 at 08:35 am
I think we need to get this straight

(1) thousands of people snapped shots and filmed the Black Block destroying things but did nothing to stop them

(2) hundreds of people snapped shots and filmed the people who set the cop cars on fire and did nothing to stop them.

No wait - actually Crazy Acid Guy on Queen is the only one who tried to put out a fire in a cop car. That's it. Out of all those people, a crazy guy on fucking acid was the only person who had the balls/guts/moral gumption to do the right thing. The rest of you can piss off.

SHARP / June 30, 2010 at 09:09 am
It's too bad the cops didn't hand out soothers in this temporary prison. It sounds like those detained needed them.
go go / June 30, 2010 at 09:41 am
Those detained are going to have a hard time finding sympathy from a majority of Torontonians. I could care less if you just happened to get nailed for being down there. When shit was hitting the fan you should of left. All were fair game after that. The people that really angered me were the gawkers that got caught up in the crowd mentality of yelling at the cops. I hope the a night in the can was worth getting a cool facebook pic.

sharpER replying to a comment from Dickhead / June 30, 2010 at 10:09 am
"something non cold to sit on would have been more fair especially seeing how 98% of the people arrested were probably innocent."
"98%. Really. And how did you arrive at this figure? Fuckwad."

he said probably. and after watching videos i saw very few people that should've been arrested. they said maybe 50-150 out of the 1000+

so you can do the real math yourself, fool
wahhhh / June 30, 2010 at 10:10 am
Anyone who thinks people deserved what they got are pathetic, sad, and ignorant. I am not a political person but am furious at how horribly this all went down. A friend of mine who lives on Queen, was on her way to meet friends (not protesting) ended up getting caught in the rain for hours due to the kettling. No explanation, no anything.

Also, apparently the “hot spots” went well beyond the downtown core, as far as Parkdale. So really, should everyone have moved north of Bloor to avoid police harassment and intimidation?

Finally, my own experience made me realize that many reports of police misbehaviour are likely true. I work at a hospital and was leaving work on Monday only to discover two chartered TTC buses filled with police officers. No big deal, slightly disturbing, but understandable due to the protest up the street.
My wife was with me, and not only were these groups of assholes leering at my wife and making lewd comments, they also started making comments about how they should search me because I had a backpack, in a highly audible manner. To me it seemed obvious they were trying to intimidate and emasculate me in front of my wife. Basic bully, mob behaviour.
I have NEVER felt so completely powerless and terrified by the police. So, I do not doubt at all that my encounter was symptomatic of much worse offenses.
Dave / June 30, 2010 at 10:13 am
Well at least that looks a HELL of a lot better than Cook County jail in Chicago, IL.
Jon / June 30, 2010 at 10:39 am
Here's an interview on CBC with a peaceful protester, telling her story of being detained at the center, that really brings to life what it was like to spend a day in this godawful place.
Jill / June 30, 2010 at 11:17 am
This is sad. I can't believe how many people are willing to throw away the basic human rights that my relatives (and probably yours) fought and died for.

I think it's a case of "it didn't happen to me so I don't care"

We have to start caring about our fellow country men and women. We have a right to freedom of speech. We have a right to assemble and protest.

It's sad that a few clad in black had to ruin it for everyone but that doesn't mean we surrender our right to be free in this country.
Amanda / June 30, 2010 at 11:41 am
I am disgusted that there are sandwiches left there. If those people were so damn hungry they would have eaten whatever they got!!!
Holly / June 30, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I was arrested on bogus charges and then released unconditionally after 24 hours.

That fruit table was NOT for prisoners, it was for officers, who would often walk through the blocks while eating food. I am lactose intolerant and could only pick at the white bread of the sandwiches... I asked many times for more food as I began to feel ill but I never received anything else and was constantly told that the cheese sandwiches were the only food in the building. Very few people were given fruit, depending on whether or not they had an officer that was willing to break the rules a little bit.

Also, as far as the phones being "certainly available"... this is not true. I, and many others, were held for over 24 hours without ANY access to ANY phone call, or legal aid. This is illegal. No officer would deny this.

Water bottles were for officers, not prisoners. A small dixie cup of water every hour and a half is NOT enough water. Water is an intrinsic necessity to life on this planet, and no one should EVER have to beg for it.

Do NOT simply accept what was expressed by the officer who did this tour to be true. Read the many independent reports of people who were detained in this place and receive many accounts on what actually happened. Of course the officer will try to save face by making this place sound like a pleasant stay..... make up your own minds, please.
booger replying to a comment from Alice / June 30, 2010 at 12:25 pm
It wasn't like they busted up a Canada Day BBQ. Things got crazy, the likes of which this city has never seen and the police responded accordingly to protect the city as a whole. I feel bad for those who got caught up in it, but this was not a "normal" weekend. Everyone knew the risks of being amongst protests and riot police. Do the math.
Jill / June 30, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Criminal or not the laws of this country allow for some respect and dignity. Even if the person at the detention centre was guilty they deserved the same treatment that all other prisoners in this country receive like basic medical care, 3 meals a day and the right to contact a lawyer.

I wish all the naysayers would realize this!
keven replying to a comment from Jill / June 30, 2010 at 01:01 pm
detainment for questioning and detainment in terms of processing aren't the same as being a prisoner.

Cheese sandwiches are pretty standard in these 2 scenarios, it's only until you actually are processed that you start getting 3 squares a day.
protesters / June 30, 2010 at 01:17 pm
"Everyone knew the risks of being amongst protests and riot police. Do the math."

So you don't think you should be able to have a peaceful protest without being arrested? You think that should be an expected result of protesting? Then I've got an idea for a police state I'm sure you'd love.
k8s replying to a comment from Ednonymous / June 30, 2010 at 01:19 pm
Are you kidding me? Many protestors are college/university students and post-grads and many more are hardworking people that contribute to society and have a right to voice their opinions. I can't believe the ignorance on display here. The vast majority of people involved were Canadians, and many of them are my friends (political science majors by the way).
k8s replying to a comment from mr hate / June 30, 2010 at 01:24 pm
What do you expect peaceful protestors to do? Step infront of a flying brick unarmed? Attack those practicing Black Bloc tactic and start a street fight? Combat violence with violence? It would just be handing the Black Bloc and police exactly what they hoped for - to incite violence. Absolute idiocy to suggest such a thing.

I think you all need to move to North Korea where you will find you will be much more at home. In Canada, our rights and freedoms are something we value and protect.
zep replying to a comment from protesters / June 30, 2010 at 01:25 pm
Peaceful protest, sure. That's why they designated a zone for it. Getting arrested in a lockdown zone? What a surprise? Gimme a break.
k8s / June 30, 2010 at 01:27 pm
They arrested people in the designated zone too. Jesus you people need to do your homework before commenting.
Javier replying to a comment from k8s / June 30, 2010 at 01:31 pm
They were probably arrested because they started smoking their hemp rope. Have fun with your crusade, and good luck on your pointless endeavor! (this also goes for your future prospects with a poli sci degree lol).
k8s replying to a comment from Javier / June 30, 2010 at 01:44 pm
I'm sorry that you have to use exhausted stereotypes instead of an actual respectable argument to make a point. (A point wasn't even really made). It's a pretty sad attempt at lumping everyone into a group of morons that you can easily discredit. It would be far too frightening for you to consider smart, hardworking citizens being treated this way, it would mess with your belief in a just world and THAT would make you feel unsafe. By the way, I never said anything specific about what I went to school for or what I do. It might make your small mind blow up if you were to know I wasn't a hemp-wearing, dread-lock sporting, pot smoker (although there's nothing wrong with that).
Javier replying to a comment from k8s / June 30, 2010 at 01:48 pm
Awwwh, you believe in a just and safe world. What a fun sexy time for you!
ignorance / June 30, 2010 at 01:49 pm
The amount of apathy and sheer ignorance over what happpened is the most depressing thing about all of this.

Its amazing how so many are without question in support of the police, after they admitted to lying about the law and weapons on display.

Does that not raise red flags in your minds that perhaps the police lied about other events that unfolded this past weekend?

They lied to us and admitted it. Yet you're still taking everything they've said at face value?

Wake up!
SimoneTaylor / June 30, 2010 at 01:52 pm
How about the people who LIVE at Queen and Spadina, or have to pass through there to live our lives? Should we have stayed in our houses for 4 days? We've got dogs to walk, birthdays to go to and how dare we want to have a damn cup of coffee?

How about the people who went out on Saturday night, at the urging of the mayor who told us "it's fine, go out and enjoy the city!"? A couple who just left The Keg down by Novotel were looking for a cab and they got arrested. How about them? There was nothing going on at Novotel when they went out, and nothing on the news until it was happening. They just went out for a fucking steak. Oh, how about the kid who was shopping on Queen on Sunday who seriously thought he was corralled into the intersection at Spadina because the cops were PROTECTING him from something? How about that kid? And how about the hundreds upon hundreds of people who were inside that detention center and are telling the same story over and over: no food or water for hours upon hours, no phone call, ever? Think they got together somehow and concocted these stories? Silly, minor details are THE SAME between strangers who will never see each other again. This means it's THE TRUTH.

And yes, Mr. Hate. Why did no one stop those hooligans? NO ONE. NO FUCKING ONE. The cops were too busy guarding their fancy little fence? The idiots snapping pictures were wasted on the excitement of posting something cool on Facebook?

This has truly been the most bizarre few days of my life. It's like half my world has gone nuts. The vandals, the cops, the truly fucked who think any of it was just or moral, the politicians on TV acting like any of this is reasonable. And for what? So the big boy could have his expensive party and chit chat with his little friends? "Oh, maybe we should spend less money." Uh, yeah.
james replying to a comment from ignorance / June 30, 2010 at 01:53 pm
Yeah, media/news cycle dictates that no one is going to remember this in another week's time. Let's get to the issues that really matter: Miley Cyrus upskirt pics.
lynn / June 30, 2010 at 02:23 pm
For all those who think "it could have been worse", "they expected 5 star treatment" etc...As others are saying on here, even our serial killers receive better treatment. Hopefully you will never be held in a place like that. So quickly those are to judge!
kn / June 30, 2010 at 02:43 pm
To all the imbeciles who say the protesters are soft and whiners. Are you completely out of your minds??? Our parents and grandparents fought and died for our freedoms. Don't forget that!! At least these people/protesters are trying to continue the fight against injustice on behalf of the less fortunate here and abroad. What are you doing? Sitting at home being an armchair idiot? You people make me sick to my stomach suggesting we should never question authority or strong arm tactics taken on by political organization. And yes, I have lived abroad and I suggest you try doing it yourselves. I can't wait for the next election to vote out the head moron Harper that decided it was a good idea to hold the g20 in Toronto. Bye bye 1? 2? billion dollars.
KL / June 30, 2010 at 02:46 pm
When 99% of those detained finally admit that they were a shit in someone's cut solely for the purpose of telling their friends/blog readers about it, we'd be able to move on.
for the record / June 30, 2010 at 02:56 pm
Pretty much anything could be worse. Just add fire. People that can only comment 'Be glad you're in Canada and not somewhere worse' are foolish. Those in power are trying to turn Canada into somewhere else where your fantasy prisons can take place! The only reason we have it better here is because of the work and effort of activists like those who are getting arrested. They should be commended and applauded for their actions not condemned off hand because some agent provocateur started a small riot of a couple dozen people.
PoliceSupporter replying to a comment from nkw / June 30, 2010 at 03:16 pm
Those people who live downtown could have stayed in their homes....they didn't NEED to be out there in the middle of a protest. There's an old saying, "Curiosity killed the cat". Well...the innocent people..well...they're the cat...and they just got killed....

Jill replying to a comment from PoliceSupporter / June 30, 2010 at 03:22 pm
Weather they NEEDED to go out or not they have the RIGHT to. Besides the mayor told people to go about their normal lives which would mean for most people leaving their homes and doing the things that they normally do on a weekend.

Listen, the cops have admitted to lying and doing the wrong things why are people still siding with them?!
idiots / June 30, 2010 at 03:30 pm
They say a society has the government it deserves. With so many ignorant, baseless, negative comments on this board I would say I know exactly why Mr. Harper has been running this country for years and will probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Time to move to a democracy I guess.

All of you "you shouldn't have been there" or "you got what you deserve" people: please tell me truthfully what you would do if you were picked up unlawfully by the police tonight and subjected to treatment similar to that described by first-hand witnesses in the above comments? Please, please tell me you would quietly sit there on the floor of your cell, pissing yourself, eating a Wonderbread sandwich saying to yourself "I deserve this, I shouldn't have been walking on the street in my neighborhood. What was I thinking."

jennifer / June 30, 2010 at 03:30 pm
Huh, for all the whining the hippies have been doing, I thought the place would have looked much worse. It's not that bad, really, for a jail. Cheese sandwiches are good!
Anne Bonny replying to a comment from Andy Barratt / June 30, 2010 at 03:37 pm
No, not Egyptian Cotton sheets - but do you really think that this -;id=511491565&ref=mf

was necessary?
Anne Bonny replying to a comment from PoliceSupporter / June 30, 2010 at 03:38 pm
some of those people were at work, others out for dinner. They made an announcement at 8pm saying toronto is now safe, go enjoy it.

it wasn't until later that other things happened -;id=511491565&ref=mf
Mike replying to a comment from k8s / June 30, 2010 at 03:39 pm
The problem is that they did nothing. By continuing to march alongside the Black Bloc, legitimate protestors tacitly supported them. What a legitimate protestor should have done when it got out of hand was simply LEAVE and realize that, no matter how righteous his message might have been, it was going to be lost.

To all of these people who protested because they couldn't sit by and do nothing, by tacitly complying with these hoodlums, you did worse than nothing. You were part of the problem.
yep / June 30, 2010 at 03:47 pm
Yeah, totally Anne Bonny! I was one of the "smart" people who chose to "stay away" from my home at Front and Spadina. I stayed with a friend all weekend in the north end of the city, far away from the craziness. After a relatively quiet Sunday I decided to head back home late in the afternoon. Juuuuuuusssst as I arrived at Spadina Station to take the streetcar home (it had been running just fine according to TTC from Spadina all the way down to Union station at that point) that's when the Queen and Spadina "kettle" incident occurred. I side-stepped that luckily by just about 15 minutes or so. That's how easily I could have been sucked into the mess and detained illegally, just trying to go home.

So, to all the "you shouldn't have been there" people commenting, please realize that thousands of perfectly normal Torontians live and work in the immediate vicinity of the G20 "security zone". The event was pretty much over and even the police later around 8pm told everyone "ok, it's safe now". Let me guess, still my fault if I was arrested, right? My fault the Harper government just had to "showcase Toronto" by dropping a paramilitary warzone into a mixed commercial / residential neighborhood? Here, let me answer you in advance: no, not my fault.
harpoon replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 03:53 pm
And by "tacitly complying" with the continued erosion of human rights in this country, you're doing what exactly? Supplying a few extra watts to the beacon of freedom and democracy in this shambles of a country?

Way to be part of the solution buddy.
Simone Taylor replying to a comment from PoliceSupporter / June 30, 2010 at 03:56 pm
@PoliceSupporter Stayed in my house for 4 days? I wasn't "out there in a middle of protest." I was out there taking care of life. Going to work, going to the bank machine, getting a newspaper. How defiant! We have protests downtown every day for chrissakes.

@Mike No one was "marching alongside the Black Bloc." They were at the end. Could be that the people who were around didn't stop them because they were scared, or figured there
were so many cops around downtown, they'd be along in a minute to take care of it. But they never came, did they?

@jennifer Hippies aren't lawyers or TTC drivers are they Jennifer? Because those people were in there too. And those pictures might have had more impact on you if those cages were full of your friends and neighbours. Or the building were full of confused, exhausted cops, some of them crying and apologizing to prisoners. Can't wait for those to come out! Because it's all on video. Yee-fucking-haw!
Tina / June 30, 2010 at 03:58 pm
I was there and this is NOT what it was like. Reporters should have been allowed inside during the time prisoners were in there. Ask anybody who was inside and they will tell you that this is a complete misrepresentation of what was there.
We were NOT given that food. We were NOT given that water. I was there for 16 hours and they claimed I refused to talk to a lawyer even though I was asking for those 16 hours to talk to one. Please listen to those who were in there, we are not criminals, we are mostly peaceful citizens, we all share the same story and that story is being denied right now.
nick dub replying to a comment from Quentin / June 30, 2010 at 04:00 pm
Probably not, in fact there is video account of a female journalist floating around the web who had said that there were threats of rape made towards her (albeit probably 'jokingly') and other females who had fingers put inside of them
Mike replying to a comment from harpoon / June 30, 2010 at 04:01 pm
You're right. I should have protested. What a difference everybody made. Good job, everyone! You saved the day.
Anne Bonny replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 04:02 pm
After an hour and a half of Black Bloc on the rampage they took off their clothing and melted with the crowds. And at that point people Couldn't "just Leave"
Again - most of those people were just watching, or at work, or visitors.
The Eatons Center was on lock down until 6 - then they let the people out at the Canadian tire exit - at that point - where do you go if you live down there? Or you have kids at home with a baby sitter, or you have dinner in the oven - or you are just in toronto visiting and need to get to Union...

The people arrested and treated worse then animals were innocent. 1000 people arrested - how many of those were black bloc 10-50?
Mike replying to a comment from Anne Bonny / June 30, 2010 at 04:15 pm
Anne, I'm not denying that the day was supremely unpleasant for some and certainly unfortunate, but I don't buy that what happened was totally outside the realm of possibility.

I didn't venture into that area all weekend strictly because I felt that some unpleasantness might go down and it did. Rightly or wrongly, it was a calculated risk to enter that area last weekend. replying to a comment from g / June 30, 2010 at 04:16 pm
The thing that pissed me off the most was when these meatfucks were taking off thier BLACK BLOC GEAR there were a whole bunch of "peacefull protesters" surrounding them to provide cover (check the CBC site for pics of this). Secondly many of the groups protestors refused to discredit the blac block tactic by stating they supported a "Diversity of action".

Now that these guys got rounded up AFTER BEING TOLD TO STAY AWAY!!! They cry about having to eat cheese sandwitches?!?!!?

Give me a damn break.
harpoon replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 04:25 pm
Mike, nice response. Way to advance the discussion and really move the dialogue along in a thoughtful, constructive manner...

My point, since you can't or won't figure it out yourself, is that by simply buying whatever story you hear on DA TEE VEE and deriding people out of hand for no apparent reason, you are not simply not making a difference, but you are actively causing harm to the country I live in. Sitting at home with your thumb up your ass would have been a step in the right direction. Why don't you just stick to 4chan.

What makes a person think like this? Use some common sense people. Why would there be a unguarded police crusier sitting in the middle of the street with the windows rolled down? Why did it take them forever to put the fire out? I really don't know what is more concerning, the fact that something like this could happen, or the fact that it can not only happen, but that it can happen with the direct support of these jokers.

Enjoy Canada Day everyone...
Mike replying to a comment from harpoon / June 30, 2010 at 04:35 pm
It's rich that you're telling people to "use common sense". The people you're defending didn't use theirs, my friend.

May I ask you honestly, how I'm "actively causing harm to the country [you are] living in" by not wasting my time in a protest that fell on deaf ears and by not getting myself thrown in jail for 24 hours?

How dramatic you are to suggest that I've "participated in the continued erosion of human rights in this country". Realistically, do you know what protesters accomplished this weekend? They shut down the downtown core, broke a few windows, cost some businesses unneeded property damage expenses, and made sure that Roy Halladay didn't pitch here. That's ALL that was accomplished. If anybody wants to believe otherwise, then I suggest that you give your head a shake.

Keri replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 04:46 pm
Mike, do you suggest that all the people living in the area should have locked themselves up in their houses for a week?

Forget work. Forget family and friends. Forget walking the dog. Forget the gym. Forget their lifestyle because of some protesters and cops?

How does ANYONE not feel any sympathy for truly innocent people that got looped into this whole mess by trying to mind their own and live their lives? And didn't the Mayor tell 'em to go out and enjoy themselves?

I would LOVE for Mike or any one of you soulless people to respond to what the people living in those neighbourhoods should have done. Put yourself in their shoes and REALLY tell me that you would be okay with dropping everything and staying inside for a week.
Keri replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 04:49 pm
Mike, do you suggest that all the people living in the area should have locked themselves up in their houses for a week?

Forget work. Forget family and friends. Forget walking the dog. Forget the gym. Forget their lifestyle because of some protesters and cops?

How does ANYONE not feel any sympathy for truly innocent people that got looped into this whole mess by trying to mind their own and live their lives? And didn't the Mayor tell 'em to go out and enjoy themselves?

I would LOVE for Mike or any one of you soulless people to respond to what the people living in those neighbourhoods should have done. Put yourself in their shoes and REALLY tell me that you would be okay with dropping everything and staying inside for a week.
Mike replying to a comment from Keri / June 30, 2010 at 04:59 pm
Come on, Keri. It's not like they were asked to stop intaking oxygen. What about the tens of thousands of people who live in the affected areas who weren't detained? How did they manage not to get locked up? It's ridiculous to suggest that alternatives were unavailable.

My girlfriend lives steps from Queen West. She didn't spend a nanosecond in any kind of detention. Why? She CHOSE not to put herself in any situation where she might be compromised. Did it suck for her? Absolutely, but she used common sense.
Simone Taylor replying to a comment from Tina / June 30, 2010 at 05:08 pm
You're absolutely right Tina. Place should have been sealed and absolutely nothing touched. It was a crime scene. Hey not one single person who has been public about their experiences in there mentioned apples and oranges. Obviously, they were placed around for the photo shoot. Plus, they said they "cleaned." Place still looks pretty darn messy. You'd think they'd have taken down the paper cup messages first, wouldn't you? I'd say what really happened is that they cleaned up the bodily fluids and staged some food, because the presence and absence of those things would have gotten them in some serious shit.
Keri replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 05:08 pm
Mike, I would then refer you to Yep's comment:

"Yeah, totally Anne Bonny! I was one of the "smart" people who chose to "stay away" from my home at Front and Spadina. I stayed with a friend all weekend in the north end of the city, far away from the craziness. After a relatively quiet Sunday I decided to head back home late in the afternoon. Juuuuuuusssst as I arrived at Spadina Station to take the streetcar home (it had been running just fine according to TTC from Spadina all the way down to Union station at that point) that's when the Queen and Spadina "kettle" incident occurred. I side-stepped that luckily by just about 15 minutes or so. That's how easily I could have been sucked into the mess and detained illegally, just trying to go home.

So, to all the "you shouldn't have been there" people commenting, please realize that thousands of perfectly normal Torontians live and work in the immediate vicinity of the G20 "security zone". The event was pretty much over and even the police later around 8pm told everyone "ok, it's safe now". Let me guess, still my fault if I was arrested, right? My fault the Harper government just had to "showcase Toronto" by dropping a paramilitary warzone into a mixed commercial / residential neighborhood? Here, let me answer you in advance: no, not my fault."

Yep was lucky. Your girlfriend was lucky.
ignorant replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 05:21 pm
Actually, the g20 governments and their supporters (miller, mcguinty, blair) shut down the core and kicked everyone out of the vicinity, to hold their million-dollar parties with a performance by the tenors.

Did they consult the people of Toronto? No.

Did they make any real commitments? No.

All this, at our expense.

And you're in front of a computer, doing nothing but support it all.
ignorant replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 05:22 pm
Actually, the g20 governments and their supporters (miller, mcguinty, blair) shut down the core and kicked everyone out of the vicinity, to hold their million-dollar parties with a performance by the tenors.

Did they consult the people of Toronto? No.

Did they make any real commitments? No.

All this, at our expense.

And you're in front of a computer, doing nothing but support it all.
harpoon replying to a comment from Mike / June 30, 2010 at 05:30 pm
So your idea of democracy is to write the name of some self-serving leech on a piece of paper every few years and that's it? Protest and public discussion is the cornerstone of true and healthy democracy. The fact that people like you are so scared of that and are so willing to bend over and take a reaming like this is exactly what is wrong here. The entire history of the world has always been and always will be a battle between those with power, and those without. You apparently are fine with moving more of what little power we have into the hands of those that hold the most anyway.

Everyone so far that has voiced a viewpoint similar to that of Mike is completely missing the point. You are just looking at such a small part of this. Was it a good idea to go downtown that day if you weren't participating in the protests? Probably not. Fine, there you go. Point conceeded. But last I checked, this is Canada, not North Korea. Toronto, not Pyongyang. There is no reason that citizens of a city should be afraid to walk down their own streets on account of their own police force. Standing up for what's right and just, not what is merely convienent, is something that I thought Canada and Canadians stood for. But apparently not.

Apparently it's our own fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time... apparently we should be grateful that, as innocent people, we had the privilige of eating a velveeta and wonderbread sandwich while being illegally detained for 24 hours...
Rob replying to a comment from Tim / June 30, 2010 at 05:43 pm
This is incorrect. Many female detainees were strip searched by male officers. Many female detainees were also sexually harassed by male officers.
Simone Taylor / June 30, 2010 at 06:09 pm
Here ya go, proof that people were not just standing around watching all this happen. Note: the looter is not actually black bloc-ed because his face is uncovered.;feature=player_embedded
goldy / June 30, 2010 at 06:15 pm
I don't think the processed cheese even qualifies as cheese
Simone Taylor replying to a comment from propcar / June 30, 2010 at 06:18 pm
Great post and video. Thanks propcar!
Mike replying to a comment from ignorant / June 30, 2010 at 06:24 pm
And you're behind a computer NOT supporting it all, right ignorant?

I understand that this was dumped on the city. I understand that it's going to cost taxpayers billions. I understand that nobody was consulted. It sucks ass. But what can anybody tangibly do it about it? Nothing.

Sure, you can carry placards and chant clever slogans, but that won't give a dollar back. We got screwed, plain and simply, and nothing is going to change that. Perhaps, in an idealistic Pollyanna world, politicians would give a rat's ass as to what protestors have to say, but in the real world that you and I live in, they don't. Sad, but true.

You wanna voice your opinion in this whole fiasco? Do it in the only manner that can actually hurt these governments: at the ballot box.
Woolf replying to a comment from Quincy Rae / June 30, 2010 at 06:44 pm
Even prisoners get pillows and blankets. You try sleeping on cold concrete littered with everything from styrofoam cups to vomit. A mattress on the floors may not be much, but it beats that by a long shot. Maybe the police wouldn't have so many problems with logistics if they hadn't made such excessive amounts of unnecessary arrests. While I agree some spectators and protesters were stupid (like blocking cars with their bikes in the middle of a freaking major road, while not protesting anything in particular) they did not deserve to be treated like this, and our government should not enable such behaviour. The whole thing was ill thought out, and they should be accountable, as leaders and people in charge of our "protection", for their mistakes. They should know better.
Beyonce / June 30, 2010 at 07:15 pm

APPLES!? ORANGES!?...I WISH we got that!..We were allowed to make phone calls?! B.S!!!!

this is lies....makes me sick!

the reason why people didn't eat their sandwiches is because the sandwiches were SO COLD AND HARD That we needed WATER To wash them DOWN...but we didn't GET water at the SAME time hence why people would rather starve then choke on the hard sandwiches

Yes it's worst in other countries..but THIS IS CANADA...hello!

you're all blind if you think this was justified for the innocent...I REALLY hope it happens to you

Witness To A Storm / June 30, 2010 at 07:33 pm
If the police had responded equally harshly to World Cup Soccer hooligans, you wouldn't have the jokers who write for Now magazine and the whining self-righteous protesters talking about how this event has somehow heralded the end of Canada, and the loss of our freedoms, etc.

This was a manufactured event. Stephen Harper was a dummy for organizing it in the middle of a massive city like Toronto. But he did. And in so doing, he brought the eye of the storm onto this city, as every single person with a bone to pick with some pseudo-political issue saw their chance to run wild in the streets and get on youtube videos.

This was not a landmark event. It was a big spectacle, no better or worse, and definitely NOT more important in the grand scheme of things than say, people spilling onto the streets to celebrate a Blue Jays World Series or a Montreal Canadiens playoff win.

Get over yourselves. You didn't change the world and you didn't bring any sort of meaningful attention to your cause. If your goal was to make it onto G20KuruptCop's youtube video at the 1:11 mark, consider the weekend a roaring success.
Otherwise go back to squeegeing windows and holding Darfur fundraising potlucks in your church basements and leave the rest of us alone until you figure out exactly what goals you are hoping to achieve.

To stand here and bemoan the downfall of democracy, or the loss of Canadian identity with the events that transpired in Toronto this weekend, is to give yourselves WAYYYY too much credit.

Jason replying to a comment from Witness To A Storm / June 30, 2010 at 08:03 pm
Well, everybody can move along now. This thread is finished. Nothing more needs to be said. The nail has been hit on the head.
Liz replying to a comment from hendrix / June 30, 2010 at 09:24 pm
Some homeless guys were there. From what I've heard, they didn't like it too much.
Chas / June 30, 2010 at 09:28 pm
Does anyone even remember a single thing people protested FOR?

I read so much the problem, I'm still looking for a voice or a message in it all that someone got behind that wasn't Orwellian doom bullshit, and is a solution. Okay wait there was one thing I recall...the bike protest, Harper didn't think so but there was a pro environent message afterall!

Oil is the earth bleeding. Peace.

B. / June 30, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Since I know that somewhere in all these comments people are saying things like "what were people expecting in the detention centre, the Hilton? They should be glad that don't live __________ where they would have been killed..." etc., I am posting this.

My friend wrote something much more eloquently than I could (parenthetical comment was my frustration with these people):

"Totally agreed on the parenthetical comment. "Oh, you're such babies for complaining that it was cold and you were wet and you didn't get any food, when there are people in worse situations in war-torn countries!" The difference being, of course, that we are not a war-torn country; we have a standard of decency that is expected to be maintained, and when it is not we should rightfully be appalled. These are rights and privileges that we should be proud to have, and their revocation should not be treated lightly. It's the same reason why there's the big hubbub about the torture inquiry in Afghanistan - we, as a people, are supposed to be better than this, and our authority figures (military, police, or otherwise) are supposed to represent and uphold these ethics, rather than degenerate into thugs in uniforms, even when faced with people who are not willing to show the same respect.

I much prefer the police action of standing the line while Black Bloc hooligans destroyed things nearby than the police action of charging and attacking peaceful protestors. I can even approve of the former as a maintenance of order, prioritising safety of persons over property, but the latter was just bullying with the backing of threats of the law."
RB replying to a comment from outsider / June 30, 2010 at 11:44 pm
You don't speak for me so come back when you have some thoughts of your own.
RB replying to a comment from outsider / June 30, 2010 at 11:47 pm
For some reason my post did not show who I was replying to........My comments of you don't speak for me were to a poster called OUTSIDER
ruby / June 30, 2010 at 11:59 pm
How enthusiastically depressing.

Over an over I see this generation's sense of entitlement.

Our ancestors fought and died in wars for your freedom of rights, and the comments on here show clearly that most people take that for granted. I am AMAZED how much ignorance there is in this time of technology

You have the right to is not illegal

You have the right not to give into the intimidation of VIOLENT protestors and SOME bad cops.

You have the right to be mad and you should be.

Get your asses off the couch and away from the TV...main stream media is as corrupt as our government.

We have been given the great tool of the internet to educate ourselves share stories and make up our own minds but most of these comments are based on ignorance.

Has anyone mentioned what was actually taking place at the G20?
Karen Correia Da Silva replying to a comment from Riley / July 1, 2010 at 04:08 am
You're an ignorant fool. What about us Canadian citizens who LIVE HERE? Perhaps if this type of injustice crawled up on your doorstep, you'd care more about other people. Imagine these cells all full of crying injured peaceful protesters, some of them denied the use of the toilet and made to urinate on the floor and stand with other prisoners for hours in their own urine. No one was given a phone call or access to legal counsel. None of the detainees I spoke with (and I spoke with many, as a member of the independent press) were given food or water. There were one thousand illegally detained prisoners sitting in urine and feces, including a man in a wheelchair. COME ON POLICE! WHAT THE HELL IS A MAN IS A WHEELCHAIR GOING TO DESTROY?

I have more stories but I'm just sick to death of defending this to people who obviously just sat on their sofa watching these events as if the removal of civil liberties doesn't affect them. You're an affront to a democracy, and I hope you remember this when a cop busts through your door illegally and points a gun at you, your wife, and child (see Hannah Booth's story in the National Post:

Shame on all of you disgusting and complacent sheep who seem to be pleased with your own ignorant blindness.
mkl / July 1, 2010 at 04:21 am
user-pic;id=511491565&ref=mf this is a first hand account of what really happened.
Rachel replying to a comment from Riley / July 1, 2010 at 06:01 am
Actually the mayor told everyone to continue with their lives, avoiding, obviously, the protest zones. Many people were taken going to and from work, coming out of restaurants. Even an on duty TTC operator was taken into custody.
cracanata replying to a comment from Riley / July 1, 2010 at 07:57 am
you're such a tool
John / July 1, 2010 at 08:13 am
I am curious about all the tv interviews I saw with Sharmeen Khan of the Toronto Community Mobilization Network where she said many woman were strip searched by male police and threatened with rape.

Is this being investigated?
Tina / July 1, 2010 at 09:35 am
For those of you saying that people should just stayed home...

If everybody has just stayed home when it was easier and safer to do so, how would we have any civil rights at all? Would we have democracy?

Through history people have put their lives on the line for other peoples freedom. Is this not the right thing to do?
What would have happened if people just decided to stay away during womens suffrage, the civil rights movement, etc? What if people decided to stay home and be safe instead of helping you when YOUR rights were being taken away?

Yes, I knew there were risks. But I did not expect my idea of basic human rights shattered in Toronto Canada.
Why are people calling peaceful protesters criminals? I just don't understand the hate, the anger.
For those saying that the protesters didn't accomplish anything... what have YOU done? At least I TRIED to do SOMETHING.

Yes, it could be worse. I know other people are suffering, but it does not make it right.
I did not expect a hotel, or comfortable surroundings but I expected at least some glimpse of compassion, I expected not to be lied to by those that I trusted. I expected basic water and food. I expected medical care for those who were clearly needing immediate help. I did not expect systematic, planned, psychological torture that was seen there. These pictures do not show what it was like.
dee dee / July 1, 2010 at 09:42 am
This NEEDS to be investigated.

It is a serious accusation...If true police should be seriously disciplined.

If it's not true Ms. Khan should be held legally responsible for her fabrications.

I'm not sure Ms. Khan's word alone is worth much when she is talking about Police..they were butchers/murderers/criminals on the day they registered at the police academy in her word view.

Tina / July 1, 2010 at 10:03 am
dee dee -

Hundreds of people share the same story. those who are brave enough to come out about what happened should not be seen with suspicion but empathy.
Why do people feel the need to revictimize those who have been abused? This is what happens with rape victims who then get called liars , blamed, etc.
This is not Ms. Khan's word alone. Everybody who has come out of there, interviewed individually, can say similar things.
Speaking for myself only, when I went into this I had full faith in police. I was not a crazy left wing paranoid person that people like to portray that hates the cops.
At this point, when I hear sirens I am scared for my safety as are many others. If my home was broken into, I don't know who I would call. That is not a good feeling.
Oli' / July 1, 2010 at 10:22 am
Stuff this (!/note.php?note_id=397205503638&;id=511491565&ref=nf ) in your comments about people getting put in there for being where they shouldn't have been. The point is that this ISN'T some 3rd world country, this is Canada. Sure there are places that are worse, but some place has to lead by example. So you've dealt with worse. There's always someone who's had it worse, it doesn't mean that less severe cases of social injustice should be ignored.
Carl swanson / July 1, 2010 at 10:22 am
Has the "detention centre" been taken down and disassembled or is it going to be kept for use in the futurue? There's 2 sides to the protest argument. The prison was built for crowd control basically. Yeah it sucked to be there but with hundreds or potentially thousands of people, what else could the police have done? I'm not taking any sides by any means. I enjoy the discord personally. It makes the world go round'. What I'd like to know is, will the detention centre become a permanent fixture? That's what worries me. Things like the patriot act and the fbi in america were supposed to be temporary yet sadly will be in place for a long time to come, so is the detention centre temporary or is this going to be a new thing in toronto? Maybe a gas chamber next door?
Duckie replying to a comment from ignorant / July 1, 2010 at 10:43 am
Lets just be clear here.
Stephen Harper and Bill Blair are the political heads who are responsible for the G20. NOT MAYOR MILLER. In fact David Miller didn't want it here to begin with and he told dimwit Harper to have it at Exhibition Place if they were going to have it at all, But as others have kindly pointed out. He (Harper) wanted to have a fancy tea party with his richy rich buddy's and show off the elite hotel as if it were a "tourist attraction" which it is not.
David Miller = good guy/ one of us

Stephen Harper& Bill Blair = Self righteous idiots/ At Blame.
dee dee / July 1, 2010 at 10:56 am
Tina ...'Hundreds of people share the same story'

I'm sorry but I HIGHLY doubt that 'hundreds' of women were threatened with rape and strip searched by male officers.

Did this happen to you??

I know you are upset about the detention but again this is a serious charge that shouldn't be thrown around lightly. Also, keep in mind that this is almost by definition a very passionate, politicized group of people who have a VERY DEEP antipathy to police authority.

It's going to be virtually impossible to prove/disprove Ms. Khan's allegations (unfortunately)

Tina / July 1, 2010 at 11:14 am
dee dee,

What I meant by hundreds of people sharing the same story was in a more general way. hundreds were denied adequate water, food, and were abused. I did not mean hundreds of women were strip searched and threatened with rape... I am sure many were.
I was not threatened with rape but I was there when others were sexually degraded, I was called a dog by the police officers, I was watched by male officers and other prisoners when I went to the bathroom because it was in plain sight. Many many horrible things happened there so I do not doubt at all that women were threatened with rape and that this was an isolated incident.

I think people have the idea that these people are all radical fringe groups and hate the police. This is not true. The group was made up of vastly different individuals. You need to remember that a lot of these people were not even protesters. I did not hate the police, I still don't, but I am scared of them now as a group, and I know many others are as well. I think people hate the right to hate those who have abused them if that is what they want to do. If I was offered no compassion from the majority of people there, why should I have compassion for them?
jon Dube replying to a comment from asdf / July 1, 2010 at 01:18 pm
something warm to sit on.. that will never happened they got the same treatment as "regular" jailed peoples ...shit!!
jane / July 1, 2010 at 02:09 pm
Whoever is saying 'They should have known better than go downtown/go outside their homes/blah blah blah' is stupider than the people they claim is 'stupid enough to go downtown'.

Are you saying we should have expected that the police arrest hundreds of innocent people for no reason but being at the 'wrong place'? Really? Seriously?

Police arresting you and detaining you for no reason (which also happened outside of protest zones)? Tough shit! You asked for it! You should have known police were going to arrest you for wearing black! And for walking the streets of Toronto! It's common sense! ...NOT!
Alastair McGowan / July 1, 2010 at 02:51 pm
900 arrested, 200 charged. That sounds like police incompetence or a lot of unlawful arrests. Either way, and given the accounts of people arrested, it seems like a pretty crude way of policing and one that has made a lot of otherwise peaceable people antipathetic to the police now they have seen how they behave when in such a position of power. this happens time and again. Why can't police behave in a civilised manner? It's like a microcosm of sending armies to places where they brutalise people and then wonder why there are so many pissed off people who become terrorists.
guim replying to a comment from Tim / July 1, 2010 at 02:56 pm
sorry I was there and have friend who got searched by male officers and said they were going to be gang bang

so if anyone wants to argue they can f*** themselfs
Pepe replying to a comment from jane / July 1, 2010 at 02:57 pm

You are right. The thing that has shocked me the most about the arrests is just how remarkably stupid many young Torontonians are.

I have lived here my entire life. In my teenage years, the worst "rebellion" my friends and I would carry out would be flipping over a picnic table in a park, or tossing an egg at someone's house, NOT

a) Setting fire to police cars [WTF???]
b) Throwing bottles at cops [again, WTF??????]
c) Smashing store windos at Starbucks and Tim Horton's (message to morons: the OWNER pays to fix the windows, NOT these "dreaded mega-corporations" you have been brainwashed into hating)

The thing that upset me the most was seeing on TV parents taking their TODDLERS downtown! Are you f-ing retarded?!

These people got what they deserved just for being so Goddamn stupid. If the cops say stay away, listen.
ignorant replying to a comment from Mike / July 1, 2010 at 03:30 pm
Actually Mike, I was out on the streets supporting the protestors. Not sitting in my home downtown allowing the police enforce whatever fake law they imposed on us.

What I witnessed were police actions completely disproportionate to the actual 'threat' the peaceful protestors presented.

I'm not saying that the police presence was not necessary. What I'm saying is the actions of many were so egregious, that to simply say that 'you deserve what you get for being there', is such a simplified view of what transpired.

Whether or not the protestors were effective in delivering their respective messages (I would say that that's a resounding 'no'), at the very least, this event has exposed the true power structure at play here -- the fact that the government and police at all levels can exert their power over the people with such ease because the majority are so unbelievably ignorant and complacent.

You think voting would really make a difference? Unless you vote NDP, I highly doubt it will.

@Duckie While Mayor Miller was against the idea of holding it at the Convention Centre, he was still in support of hosting the summit here, as it would showcase Toronto. We all know how that turned out.
Not Needed / July 1, 2010 at 03:58 pm

Check out this web address of a person that was arrested for bringing his girlfriend to the bathroom. This is pathetic. We need a new prime minister, if Harper is going to let this go. We have no right to be proud of who we are, after this.
DL / July 1, 2010 at 05:29 pm
From the comments above, I bet most of you would've been on the side of the British military on "Bloody Sunday".
DL / July 1, 2010 at 05:30 pm
From the comments above, I bet most of you would've been on the side of the British military on "Bloody Sunday".
Louis H. / July 1, 2010 at 06:28 pm
Is it only me or most negative comments on this page feel like they are coming from policemen in civilian clothes?
During the week-end they did all they could to turn this into a fight and blame those showing their disagreement in a lawful manner; it's clear now they will pollute any public conversation relating to this topic.
Oh nice bit of PR on the police part. Wonder why they didn't invite the press when the place was full of people?
Brandon replying to a comment from Harris / July 1, 2010 at 07:35 pm
Our society is polluted by an anti-protester mentality that serves our nation as a mute button impeding any avenue conducive to an open discourse. What people frequently forget is that individuals do have the right to peaceful assembly and that any action against them without just cause violates not only their rights but all of our rights. When our civil liberties are trampled in order to maintain "law and order" and "good government" one must come to the conclusion that the current Harper administration has no more respect for this nations citizens than a pimp has for a prostitute for whom he sells off remorselessly.
Dave replying to a comment from Brian / July 1, 2010 at 07:47 pm
i was arrested and detained 2am Sunday morning and detained for 20 hours. I wasn't any where near the protests when i was busted. However during the protests there was very little violence on the part of the protesters. Windows were broken on very small stretches of Queen street and Younge. I watched people smash in the windows on the cop cars as i walked towards University. All of the reported violence was of the Black Bloc. Almost none of it was of the police. Which is wrong because i was personally there to witness an officer strike an old granny in the chest with his baton. This is just one of the many excesses on the part of the police.

I really hate when people comment on danger and violence from the safety of their homes. Im almost hurt by the armchair commentary about how we could have been treated worse. The fact is that we were treated exactly in a fashion that we were promised we would not be.

See the problem is not so much that the police are being unduly criticized for being in a tough situation. They are being correctly condemned for failing to do their jobs properly. Whether it was on the part of their leaders or the individual officers. They failed in many aspects. The least of which was holding the summit in a highly populated area.

The idea that some how worse could have happened is absurd. We are given guarantees by the government that we will not be subjected to certain kinds of treatment. It doesn't matter if Mexico is worse, or if people in Haiti are starving. Those are separate issues and to apply them within the scope of this argument is logically fallacious.
Dave / July 1, 2010 at 07:48 pm
Also obvious trolls are obvious.
CH replying to a comment from Riley / July 1, 2010 at 08:34 pm
Are you kidding?

Which country do you live in?

We live in CANADA. A free country. The right to peacefully assemble in public (which includes Downtown Toronto) is enshrined in our constitution. What gives the Police or G20 organizers the right to tell people they cannot do what our constitution legally entitles them to do.

Many (read: most) of the detainees were wrongfully arrested for simply being in the area.

I agree wholeheartedly that every single one of the douchebags who were causing destruction to property and Police cars should have been arrested and punished to the full extent of the law but arresting or harassing people who were peacefully protesting should never have happened in Canada.
Beeninjailb4 / July 1, 2010 at 09:54 pm
This is luxury compared to the actual system; Geez you'd think, according to the complaints, it was torture. Not only that but it seems all rights, regulations etc... are clearly stated on posts to avoid confusion. Damn there are slums in Toronto worse than this (with less food/water). Cheese sandwhiches, apples, oranges, water... more than I got in a whole day growing up downtown T.O.
Jergens / July 1, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Yep, jail sucks. Just like it should.
gk replying to a comment from Harris / July 1, 2010 at 10:36 pm
I am shocked that every single person is not outraged by this. What has happed to the Canada which believed in human rights and free speech. Many of the detainees we peacefully protesting and had nothing to do with the destruction,or had absolutist nothing to do with the protest what so ever. Beeninjailb4- the main issue is that people did not deserve this. And I fully agree that some areas do not have enough to eat. But that terrible fact does not justify holding people for 30 hrs. Some people coming out of the center told me that they did not even receive water.

To those saying that people ought to have stayed at home/ "thats what you get for being in the wrong place at the wrong time":
would you prefer the alternative? the alternative would be that people never protest anything regardless of what human, civil or legal rights are being infringed. Think of what type of country that would be. Is that what you want? Do you want to live in a country where you can be detained for 30 hrs, without a phone call or access to legal aid for simply 'being in the wrong place at the wrong time'?

Given the fact that the police chief attempted to mislead the public by presenting weapons which were not found on protesters as those that were, people should not take everything the police say at face value until after a public investigation.

Here are a few articles related to the police attempting to pass weapons found on a person in Etobicoke, as those taken from violent protesters downtown.
gk replying to a comment from Harris / July 1, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Oops sorry I just noticed a mistake

That terrible fact does not justify holding people for 30hrs with no more to eat than a cheese sandwich***
mk replying to a comment from Pepe / July 1, 2010 at 10:47 pm

Please. is this a really post...

This is not even comparable to a teenage rebellion. We have the right to free speech. I was in a peaceful (ie. a group who was sitting down) which was run at before any cop cars were burnt or windows of "dreaded mega-corporations [we] have been brainwashed into hating" were smashed.

Unfortunately some windows were smashed, but that is property, and luckily is covered by insurance. But the destruction of property does not justify the abuse of living beings!
Cathal replying to a comment from Quentin / July 1, 2010 at 11:15 pm
International Revolution / July 2, 2010 at 02:31 am
The reality of capitalist society is Progress, Promises and Police.
Concerned Canadian / July 2, 2010 at 05:40 am
"Cheese sandwhiches, apples, oranges, water... more than I got in a whole day growing up downtown T.O.";

Actually, read some of the first-hand accounts. The officers in this article THEMSELVES admit that the water and food "may" have not been distributed properly. The water was there, but not given to prisoners for SEVERAL HOURS. Cramming people so tightly into a cell that they can only sit down in turns, withholding food and water to the point that some were passing out, with no due process, phone call, or even explanation for why they are being held, is torture.
Anne Bonny / July 2, 2010 at 09:00 am
From the people I've talked to - prisoners and police alike - not a single person in a cage received those apples and oranges. Not even when they had passed out. At that point they would receive watered down tang. They also never received their water and bread/cheese slice sandwich at the same time. The police admit that most of them weren't eaten because of how impossible to swallow it became with so little water previous.

All you people saying they deserved it, and they shouldn't have been there - Just think about this
"if you were at work, well out of way from the goings on and you got an emergency call from your little sister, or niece, or daughter saying the person(s) that were taking care of them are still not coming back where are they? YOU would have to go down to them. And on your way you were in the wrong place at the wrong time and jailed. How would you feel?"

"Or you have to work that night at the Keg, or a sports bar because you really need rent, or your boss said work or it's your job. Then you go to get home, or are out for a smoke - and you are arrested for being in the wrong place."

If there were 1000 people arrested and they deserved it because they were doing property damage, don't you think Toronto would look a lot different? 1000 people - 1 window each. And not many of them are only breaking 1 window - that would be MUCH more destruction.

So shove it up your royal ass with metal shards next time you try and say they deserved it.
Janet replying to a comment from mr hate / July 2, 2010 at 10:17 am
What did you do?
Peace Now replying to a comment from Ednonymous / July 2, 2010 at 10:48 am
You are disgusting.
Yes there are an unbelievable number of injustice and violation of Human Rights all over the world (What do you do to change that? Do you even know any specific example?). Where were you that weekend? Were you there? I'm assuming not since you sound like you don't care about FREEDOM, something we don't really have anyway. Do you just believe everything that is spoon fed to you? Every media station slants the story differently - Common knowledge that you have to take the news on TV with a grain of salt and reference several different sources. I guess ignorance is easy. Easy to follow, hard to have conviction oppose what you see as wrong. Over and over again throughout the worlds history gross violations of humanity has happened and while it's happening people who are brainwashed followers stand up and say "Hey nothing is wrong here so stop rebelling and standing up for your rights" and in retrospect we say WOW how could people let that happen....And so it happens over and over again.

NOT EVERYONE was a fucking black bloc protester. Maybe if you crawled out of your hole and looked at the prolific amount of footage amassed from that weekend you would stop being ignorant.

I don't believe in violence. I don't agree with rioting and destruction.

And to all of you who are zombies who say "What do you expect, the Hilton?" You are obviously NOT the type of people who can think for yourself and need to wake up. Of course no one expected the Hilton! I think that as Human Beings we expect to have our human rights respected. Read about the Standford Prison Experiment. I think people are saying that these conditions (considering many were innocent bystanders who HAVE THE RIGHT TO WALK DOWN THE STREET - don't forget that - ARE YOU SO COMPLACENT THAT YOU ARE OKAY WITH BEING MADE FEARFUL OF LEAVING YOUR HOUSE ALL WEEKEND??? THAT IS OKAY? I GUESS IF YOU DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD....)

Peace Now replying to a comment from Ednonymous / July 2, 2010 at 10:50 am
My comment above was in Reply to Ednonymous but it didn't show up that way.
George Reagh replying to a comment from Andy Barratt / July 2, 2010 at 02:05 pm
I understand your skepticism. Please read this - skim it a least.;id=511491565
Dee Dee / July 2, 2010 at 02:12 pm
Angus Reid Poll...

...73% Of Torontonians believe police actions were justified.

Rolf / July 2, 2010 at 02:42 pm
To everyone who went down there and was arrested:

Too bad.

The next time the police say "stay away," STAY AWAY. What the hell? Did you really think Harper and Obama would stop and have a fence-side chat with yo?

What were you idiots thinking?

Person / July 2, 2010 at 03:44 pm
Good job Toronto and Canada.

Now the rest of the world thinks you're all idiots.
Person / July 2, 2010 at 03:49 pm
And i'm sorry everyone, but you all don't have a "right to free speech". You have a LUXURY to free speech. You don't have a right to freedom of press, you have a luxury.

I can't believe those arrested/protesters act like they're martyrs and have been wronged. Take care to heed warnings and none of this would have happened. Not to mention that they embarrassed their country.
Cass / July 2, 2010 at 04:47 pm
I can not believe how many "don't be there if it looks dangerous" and "stay at home" and "what did you expect" comments there have been in response to the G20 horror show in Toronto last week. I don't expect anyone to read this, I just need an outlet to EXPRESS something. My hands are tied, but my fingers scream across this keyboard, the only weapon I may ever possess.

I admit to tears while watching the plethora of YouTube videos documenting this surrealistic comedy of errors. It boggles my mind that I have been so naive for so many years, to think I actually lived in a land of freedom of movement and freedom of speech. To think we as Canadians were somehow better off than our neighbours to the South. I admit to many more tears over the past week, while driving in my car, while play at the park with my young daughter, while simply sitting and staring -- an act I am not well known for, but have found myself to be in more and more since news of the G20 events first were told.

I. Feel. Powerless.

Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a farce.

SecII: ... freedom of expression, freedom of the press and of other media of communication, freedom of peaceful assembly, and freedom of association.
Sec VII: right to life, liberty, and security of the person.
Sec VIII: right from unreasonable search and seizure.
Sec IX: freedom from arbitrary detainment or imprisonment.

and all capped off by Section I:
"The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."


People were walking home from work, home from dinner, out to gather with friends. People were exercising their freedom of movement and freedom of peaceful assembly ... and for using their Charter-given rights, they were aggressively approached, surrounded, psychologically attacked (as in told to go home, without being given a means by which to comply, and then arrested for non-compliance), and then detained without explanation for upwards of 20 hours.

This didn't happen to one, or ten people. This happened to at minimum, _ S E V E N H U N D R E D _ non-criminal bystanders. The criminals, or rather, the police express regret that innocent people were 'caught in the net'. If these were the odds of a fisherman's daily catch -- weeding out 700 of the wrong kind of fish, just to get 200 of the maybe kind of fish and 10 or 20 of the right kind of fish... he would not be employable for very long and his family would starve!

Heck, we even study the bystander-effect on children when related to bullying and how it can be damaging to the human psyche and future development. I certainly feel like these acts were done to my neighbours and my friends, not only my fellow Canadians, but merely my fellow human beings -- and I sat at a distance of 100km and did nothing. Could do nothing. Was powerless to assist.

How can we even consider "staying at home" as an option to AVOID what "was to be expected" from this event? Go to work, pay your taxes and don't make trouble, has been said (tongue-in-cheek) in previous comments. Does this sound like a democratic system? Did you invite the G20 to the center of Toronto? Did you choose to spend $1 billion (that we don't have) on so-called security measures which were used as a tool to harass the innocent? I certainly didn't, but then, no one asked me.

What is the solution? What is the recourse? For those who weren't even given paperwork to prove they were robbed of an entire day of their life and held in sub-standard conditions, what can be the recourse except multiple hours and dollars in long, drawn-out court appeals, which will never actually make up for the events that occurred.

The time for action has come.

If there truly are masses of people ready to take back their freedoms then we need to get organized, unify and choose to stop. As in -- stop using banks, stop paying bills, stop purchasing, stop giving them the means by which to control us, the money that funds their unwarranted expenditures and all-sweeping decision making.

I know its not really that easy -- you need a roof and ... electricity and food and running water, etc, etc, etc .......

But if millions can find a way to survive it in third world nations ..... why must we in the civilized (read: comfortable) world continue to be the fodder for their canons and funding all they do? We go to work, we pay taxes, those in power do what they want and when we disagree, they don't listen... but we continue to go to work and fund their decisions.

Getting educated about your rights is still important, but the time for getting ready to fight has come and gone. The fight is already upon us, and from the monotonous responses to the recent injustices, it is overtly apparent that long-standing propaganda and main-stream news agency are winning the silent war. Exercise your freedom. Words and placards and flowers and peace ... will get us nowhere, or, as we've just witnessed, will get us unlawfully removed and detained. ACTION is where its at, but nothing says it must be _violent_ action. Can it not simply be us saying enough is enough is enough?
The last man / July 2, 2010 at 05:07 pm
@ Rolf. Person and fellow last men

Thank God we live in a country where we know longer have to determine for our selves what is good. You are right, we all ought to do exactly what the police, or those in charge, tell us to because of the simple fact that they are in charge. And those in charge must be right, given fact that they are in charge.
I'm with you 'person' Down with free speech! Down with the freedom of press! We would be so much more content with out this burden! Down with the burden of thinking!

The good life is the content life. Think of how wondrous a completely content life would be. No longer would we need to worry whether we are happy for they have created happiness for us!
If everyone had simply put on their blinders this embarrassment never would have happened. Blinders are a necessary component in the search of the good and content life. And The formula of the content life is simple. always look directly in front of you, never around and always lap up what they spoon feed to you.

I Give Up / July 2, 2010 at 06:20 pm
I give up.

The masses are in support of what happened.

If I were there, being a peaceful protestor or bystander, I deserve to be beaten by the police, because someone beside me might have been a member of the Black Bloc.

I deserve to be arrested and hauled off to a detention centre, be subjected to strip searches, racist and sexual remarks, fondled, locked up with at least 15 people in a cage, and have food and water withheld from me for at least 8 hours.

I deserve to remain there for just under a day, with no phone call or no access to a lawyer.

I deserve all of this treatment, because I might have been among criminals.
Brian replying to a comment from Person / July 2, 2010 at 07:51 pm
I don't know what country you're from, but in Canada free speech is not a Luxury. Neither is freedom of the press. Both are Rights.
Nick / July 2, 2010 at 07:57 pm
Most of my opinions have already been more eloquently expressed. After reading the entirety of this comment thread, I now feel I have a much better understanding of what baffled me before.. where in Canada do you find the kind of people who laugh while human beings beg for water?

Look no further!

Sarcasm aside, this discussion does need to become more levelheaded. The unlawful detention of protestors is absolutely abhorrent, but I don't think the slope is as slippery as it's being made out to be. I still honestly think I could go outside (I'm in Vancouver) and hold a sign up in front of City Hall and not get abused. The next Critical Mass cycling protest is still going to happen (much as I disagree with it). I'm not overly concerned that this message might get traced back to my IP. Free speech took a beating, but it's not the harbinger of the collapse of democracy in Canada quite yet.

Also, for the sake of intellectual honesty I think we have to admit to ourselves that the police, even the sadists among them, were under extreme pressure, in circumstances which many of them might only experience once or twice in their career (?). As the saying goes, mistakes were made, and Mr. Blair should apologize for them and accept an independent inquiry... but do you folks honestly believe the combined police forces of so many cities got up that morning and decided to be evil? If you read Mr. Taylor's account of his imprisonment, some of those officers were holding back tears, probably risking reprimand by standing up to their superiors behind the scenes. It can't have been easy, and because cameras weren't there, we'll never hear about it. So how about a little less blanket villification for the police, who as many of you have pointed out in the case of protestors, are also our neighbors and friends?

Marc replying to a comment from I Give Up / July 2, 2010 at 08:01 pm
That's the point. However, it doesn't mean that it's entirely the whole of the masses that support what happened. It's just the vocal and ignorant sheeple part of the masses that are going public about being supportive of what happened. That's why it is called sheeple, dumbed down or even decadent living. The irony is that is not living. When you are sheeple, dumbed down and have a decadent society, then you will be blind and deaf towards all the injustice going on as well as the freedoms being stolen right in front of you. It's all about the principal, but too bad for them, they cannot grasp or even think of it.
Nick / July 2, 2010 at 08:09 pm
sorry, I spoke hastily. I could protest in front of City Hall and not be abused... by the police. I would assuredly receive plenty of abuse from many of fellow commentators on this thread, presumably as they drove by at high speed on their way to important affairs.

Nothing ruins the foggy joy of complacency like the distressing sight of someone who looks like they might say something disagreeable.
Humbug replying to a comment from Haris / July 2, 2010 at 09:53 pm
Ya and what kind of people get to sent these establishments you speak of? Serial Killers, Murderers, Rapists and many more. Next to none of those people deserve to be in conditions similar to what you mentioned. How would you feel if I grabbed you off the street and locked you in my basement for 23 hours with no rightful cause. Pretty P.O'd eh?
johnd2008 / July 3, 2010 at 05:45 pm
People look for patterns of behaviour in others in order to protect themselves in the future. This is why you see such cold comments, as "they shouldn't have been there" regardless of how many times it is explained that people were told it was safe and Queen and Spadina are residential areas. Nobody wants to believe this could happen to them. It is the same mentality that questions the actions of a woman who was raped.
HatHead / July 3, 2010 at 06:23 pm
Both the Mayor and the Chief personally made statement telling the people of Toronto that they were welcome to come out and have their voices heard so posters here saying that peaceful citizens were told to stay away are entirely incorrect.
IS / July 4, 2010 at 10:56 am
Logistical question: pay phones. Were people allowed access to their personal effects so they could get money to use the phones with? Was there a solution in place for if someone didn't have 50 cents worth of coins on them?
jit27 / July 4, 2010 at 03:17 pm
British Columbia academics are speaking out against what happened in Toronto. There has been an incredible show of support for those who were detained.

You can see many quotes and signatures, particularly from Simon Frasier University at the bottom of the page.

Here is one: Rita Wong, Writer and Associate Professor, Emily Carr University:

“These arbitrary mass arrests are unconstitutional. Furthermore, mass roundups and pre-emptive arrests serve a very unethical political purpose: to deflect attention from the systematic and widespread violence caused by the G20 policy decisions, which aim to slash public, social, ... See Moreeducational, and health infrastructure around the world instead of holding the private financial sector responsible for its own errors and corruption.

Those being held should be immediately released, and the focus of our attention should be to refuse the damage that the G20 attempts to inflict on democratic public spaces and networks.”
D / July 4, 2010 at 09:45 pm
Rita Wong starts out saying the arrests were unconstitutional, but loses all credibility when she starts rambling on about the G2O policies for the simple reason that this is merely RITA WONG'S OPINION of the policies, we all have an asshole and an opinion, so what?

*if* the arrests were unconstitutional - and I'm not going to act like I even know, because I'm not a constitutional lawyer like everyone else here on BlogTo - it will come out when the lawsuits are McGuinty says: use the legal channels. Anyone can get indignant and throw around accusations - show your faces and get your justice.
Lori / July 5, 2010 at 01:22 pm
Every time protesters were on TV complaining about this place it left me outraged. Not at the cops but at them. People get arrested everyday and their food and beds are not the greatest, and do people protest or complain, NO!!! Suddenly, some miscreants and innocent bystanders get locked up and they expect to be thrown into the Hilton. Wake up!
Cass / July 5, 2010 at 03:49 pm
@D's remarks

What about the people who weren't given paperwork, whose names weren't taken .. I've heard of at least two specific cases, and I'm sure there were more, of people detained and released without ever being processed.

How are THOSE people supposed to "use the legal channels"???
Or how can you prove you were held for 8, 10, 23 hours, if your paperwork was taken at 8:15pm and you were released at 9:30pm?? Nothing in the evidence says you were taken at 10:30pm the previous night. When it is your word against the police.... who wins?
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nayber / July 5, 2010 at 10:06 pm

my nayber was one of the police working at the jail him and two of his buddys jerked off into the marjarin for the sanwiches you dirty hippys ate there cum hahahaha sperm eaters
mel / July 6, 2010 at 12:39 am
Nayber, you mispelled the words "neighbour" and "their", and along with your terrible grammer it is difficult to take what your are saying seriously. It sounds like you are projecting a hot fantasy of yours of two policemen jerking off together? I think you're commenting on the wrong site. Happy Pride, though.
Tim / July 6, 2010 at 11:53 am
This is a horrible day for Canada, and I am ashamed of how the police treated the protesters.

This isn't my story, but one that needs to be shared:
mel replying to a comment from Tim / July 6, 2010 at 02:05 pm
except not.
because i heard (personally from other people) that some girls were strip searched by male officers
mel replying to a comment from Tim / July 6, 2010 at 02:06 pm
except not.
because contrary to this, i heard accounts from actual girls who were strip searched by males
but of course, they don't want anyone to know this...
Liz / July 6, 2010 at 06:06 pm
"and were told the washroom facilities were made available when a prisoner asked to use them." I don't know anybody who had access to the washroom except for the orange toilet. The people who did not had a orange toilet had to go in front of everybody in the orange toilet in front of the other cell. Where most of the time, the officer made sure he was not in front to let anybody see if they wanted to.
" (cheese sandwiches, apples, oranges) and water was made available if asked for. There clearly wasn't a water shortage (there were plenty of unconsumed cases) but our tour guide admitted that challenging logistics may have prevented water from being dispensed in a timely manner." This water was drink by the officers in our face while telling us that they did not fed animals! they were also eating the fruits laughing, for most of them. The only fruit I ever eat there, was an orange after 48 h of detention when they bring me back alone in the cage and told us we would not go to court that night and that lawyer would come to see us...everybody were crying and starting to feel dizzy..and crazy. This is the ONLY time.
Patrick / July 8, 2010 at 02:17 am
The black bloc isn't an organization, its a tactic used by many protest groups, to make it look like there are more then there are and to make them all look alike, so all the groups look like one group...
R. McCourt replying to a comment from Alecia / July 10, 2010 at 06:48 pm
Alecia - The rights that you keep mentioning are rights that have been fought for over many decades. The 1st and second war being most resent where thousands died so we can have the right to protest, to be of different races and credes. Along with the rights also came laws which we must follow no matter what certain individuals think they are above them. I believe in viocing our opinions in a peacful manner and a good majority of the protesters tries that but a malicious group organized to break up the peacful parades and protests got everyone tarred with the same brush and that is sad, and lessens their rights to protest. Only cowards show up a these parades or protests wearing masks and causing distruction on people or places not even involved in the demonstrations. These people and owners of the properties have rights to but the few took them away from them. As for people being arrested that's sad but "When you play with fire - be prepared to get burned". We may have the right to assemble and protest but doing so do we lose our brains in the process. Any normal person watching what was going on could see that arrests were going to happen and staying in an area with a build up of police presence and not leaving is just immature of anyone thinking they won't or can't arrest me. That is what the laws of the land is for. Many of your fellow writer tell about what would happen in their countries under the same conditions and to say well it shouldn't and isn't right shows how worldly you are not. In utopia you would be right to believe this is not right and our rights have been unjustly taken away - but this is the real world so things like this happen when criminal cowards ruin it for us all. It's sad to say but the detention area although crude and not to everyones likeing who had to spen time there was allot better than to concentration camps set up to house people that did nothing but be different. Thousand we're not seen again. The majority of those arrested during the G20 riots were released with no charges --- and before you start with false arrests and imprisonment, sorry you lose. Under the criminal code of Canada "Suppression of Riots
Use of force to suppress riot C-34 subsection 32 etc. persons can be arrested for Breach Of The Peace and held up to 24hrs with no charges being laid. This may not sound right to you but if you release the people who were asked to leave and didn't they would go right back and end up causing more problems and most likely getting arrsted again. Again the rights of the majority outway that of the few so keeping them from going back is what is required. It may sound callus to those who had to speend time in the detention cells but they will remember it and maybe next time just wanting to be an onlooker they may decide to watch it on TV like the rest of the respectable Canadian society. I'm sure nothing that anyone can say to you will change your attitude and that's to bad. REMEMBER RIGHTS ARE EARNED>
DD / July 10, 2010 at 07:20 pm

Who do we earn our Charter Rights from then? The police??
Sarah Moore / July 12, 2010 at 08:01 pm
Hi Tim,
My name's Sarah Moore and I write for the online edition of The Toronto Observer.
I was directed to this blog from a friend, and was hoping that we could speak about what you saw at the detention centre.
I was unable to visit it personally myself, and would like to hear about the experience.
If you could email me at the address I submitted and let me know if you are willing and available for an interview that would be great.
Cass / July 13, 2010 at 01:17 pm
The protest on this day was peaceful, nothing compared to saturdays. Although they knew something might happen, many photographers were there to show the horrible things that the anarchists did, and to prove not all protesters are destructive.

Also, they did not know that every single one of them was going to be cornered and detained. Some people there probably deserved it, but the police took the easy way out by cornering everyone, (who were mostly peaceful).

Why didn't they try that tactic the day before? Maybe if the people on sunday were all dressed in black and causing thousands of dollars of damage like the anarcists on saturday they wouldnt have been cornered and sent to the holding centre. Maybe true, maybe not, but what kind of message is that either way?

heres a blog that anyone can enjoy this blog whether you agree or not.

Erin replying to a comment from Riley / July 14, 2010 at 01:02 am
Kinda tricky when you live in the city... keep in mind that these cells were cleaned up for the media and that the vast majority of people beaten and thrown into holding cells were simply present... you CAN'T expect a city of 2.5 million to evacuate simply because a group of politicians (the real thugs- oppressing billions of people and destroying our environment) want to meet...
i can't believe the dehumanized reactions by some torontonians!
Erin replying to a comment from R. McCourt / July 14, 2010 at 01:12 am
many people wore things over their faces so they wouldn't suffocate from the gas they correctly predicted cops would shoot at them (cops had masks on... are they cowardly)
- the fact is, cops targeted the masses (NOT THOSE TOSSING BRICKS), in fact its being widely reported that cops (and this is quite common) infiltrated the ranks of the brick throwers as anonymous antagonists... cops beat up and arrested those simply voicing their beliefs and even those merely walking on the streets of toronto; policing laws failed to exist and the people on the streets were subject to despicable abuse
Erin replying to a comment from R. McCourt / July 14, 2010 at 01:15 am
p.s. people were arrested en masse in zones designated by police and other authorities as "safe protest areas" (!!)
Bellator Rex / July 14, 2010 at 04:48 pm
"So how about a little less blanket villification for the police, who as many of you have pointed out in the case of protestors, are also our neighbors and friends?"

The fact that they are 'neighbors and friends' is even more reason to condemn their behavior. They would never tolerate this kind of treatment for themselves or their own families, and yet when their cop buddies are laughing at the disabled and cracking jokes about the Holocaust, they do nothing to stop them. There is no excuse. If they didn't want to be vilified, they should have been out there protecting and serving the public, not tolerating what many of them openly admitted was wrong for the sake of a paycheck.

For the cowed masses who do not understand what freedom means or what it costs, your pathetic bleatings do not wash out the stain of injustice that hangs over this infamous weekend. You are hypocrites, and you know it. You don't care about the rights of others because you're too busy looking out for yourself, which is coincidentally the only thing you care about. And what an unworthy object of obsession. There will come a day when those who defend tyranny and worship the malfeasance of state authority will have to answer to those who still cherish freedom...and I hope you change your minds before then.

I heartily approve of what happened here and hope it keeps happening. The more outrage they create, the deeper they dig their own hole. The more innocent people they round up for luxurious vacations in the injustice system, the more enemies they create. They're already vastly outnumbered.

What sad creatures they are, the oppressors and their sycophants. They think they will get away with this forever! Well, scum such as you have been put in your places before, and will be again. Freedom will always persevere.

The same people applauding the police now were applauding them back in the 60's in the US when they were brutalizing African-Americans for standing against oppression. They love to see people hurt and violated, because they are helpless against their own towering inadequacies and insecurities. They are the same ones who defended the British and sat by idly while their countrymen fought and died for freedom. Their stupidity is nothing new or surprising.
Alison / July 15, 2010 at 06:28 pm
I'm actually surprised that people will defend and even speak out to *not* allow citizens a right or freedom to be on the street at a certain time because of possible protesters, never mind even speaking out that we should NOT have the right to free speech, to congregate, to protest or speak up for what we believe in.

I always thought that the nazi's were so strong because of fear. In fact I see that in Canada, in this land that speaks of freedom, are ALL these people, writing out, speaking out, saying very clearly that we should NOT have any rights or freedoms, that we should NOT speak up or out about our country or our world, that you should stay home, stay put, stay out of the way... and that being arrested for peacefully protesting, even having no water, food, being beaten, being laughed at and degraded, is ok... shocking.

"The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" ~Plato

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~Benjamin Franklin
John Doe / August 15, 2010 at 06:02 pm
I wondered if anyone who attended this media open house bothered to bring along a tape measure or draw up a floor plan sketch? And how much of this concentration camp of a makeshift jail were attendees allowed to see?
James Wilson / November 9, 2010 at 01:56 pm
I have decided to write a play about this incident, told from the point of view of cops at the detention centre on their coffee break braggin about all the things they have done to those scumbag protesters.

I only plan to use real incidents that really happened.

Anyone who was held in detention or knows someone's story who was is welcome to e-mail me your/their story.

I can't promise to use everyone's story, but I'd like to use as many of them as possible in my play.

James Wilson
Blade replying to a comment from Hmm / December 13, 2010 at 02:38 pm
A lot of them had gas masks... you know... for the fashion statement they were trying to make. =)
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