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G20 protests hit Toronto in advance of summit

Posted by Tomasz Bugajski / June 23, 2010

G20 protests torontoDespite trying to stay up to date with the Toronto Community Mobilization Network's protest schedule, I was caught off guard on Tuesday afternoon when I found myself in the middle of an anti-G20 protest.

So unfortunately I didn't have my good camera with me. But luckily, just when I resigned myself to being unable to document the event, I found my old point n' shoot in my backpack. Thank God!

G20 ProtestIt was a peaceful but loud protest calling for the promotion of LGBT rights in Canada and beyond. Followed by countless cops on bicycles and foot, protesters chanted: "We're here, we're fabulous, and we're against the G20!"

g20 ProtestsThe march shut down a large section of Queen Street at University Avenue.

Susan GapkaI ran into Susan Gapka, a city council candidate for Ward 27 and gay and lesbian rights activist, who explained that she was out to support her friends in the Queer community.

"I'm doing my very best to be a peaceful protester today," she told me as cops eyed us from every direction.

G20 ProtestWhen I mentioned the heavy police presence, she added: "I'm trying to stay out of their way actually. As a trans-woman...I would do really poorly in police custody...and likely face violence."

Gapka, along with many others, will be at one of the G20's largest protests this Saturday, but "I'm not interested in getting too close to the fence...it may or may not be an asset to my political career."

g20 protest torontoSome fringe groups have indicated that they plan to move towards the fence on Saturday, so tension will be running high. This protest was anything but a challenge to security, but as participants sought to make their voices heard, it's likely that those in charge of securing the summit delegates were paying close attention.

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Photos and video by Tomasz Bugajski.

Discussion

68 Comments

Tomasz / June 23, 2010 at 09:43 am
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I should add that I've noticed a lot of talk on Twitter accusing the protesters of vandalizing the war memorial on University Avenue with spray paint.

They definitely didn't use spray paint, it was more like washable crayon. Whatever it was, the writing looked like it could come off easily. Also, the police noticed and didn't seem to care about the drawing, so it wasn't a big deal.
Elizabeth / June 23, 2010 at 09:43 am
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Looks like a fun times, peaceful protest! Yay Toronto! And photos look great!
Peter K replying to a comment from Tomasz / June 23, 2010 at 09:50 am
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Who cares if it's crayon or spray paint? It's disrespectful and despicable act. If you want respect for your cause you DO NOT vandalize something that is VERY important to others.

These protesters need to get their heads out of their asses.
Loïc / June 23, 2010 at 09:50 am
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the beauty of protesting is that people can, the reality is that they won't make any difference. Also, it seems that a lot of gay people, sorry I mean the LGBTTIQQA folks, are "out" protesting en masse, don't you people work? what does "safer streets for LGBTTIQQA" have to do with the G20 anyways? Pride week is coming up, protest there.
Tomasz replying to a comment from Peter K / June 23, 2010 at 10:06 am
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You're right that drawing anything on the memorial with crayon, spray paint, or whatever, isn't the right thing to do.

But some on Twitter have been exaggerating the vandalism caused by the protesters, so I just wanted to help set the record straight.



Nic Boshart replying to a comment from Peter K / June 23, 2010 at 10:11 am
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"If you want respect for your cause you DO NOT vandalize something that is VERY important to others."

Are you for real? Guess what, my downtown is VERY important to me, and it's being blockaded for three days. My transit is important to me, but federal money is being spent on a fake lake.

Talk about heads up asses.
J.Rai / June 23, 2010 at 10:12 am
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I'm confused - is being female (and for that matter sodomy) illegal in Canada? If it is, I'll certainly contact my MP, but I thought that was settled some time ago.
J.Rai / June 23, 2010 at 10:13 am
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Sorry, being transgender, I need to look more closely at the sign. Even that.
Rov replying to a comment from Loïc / June 23, 2010 at 10:20 am
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Queer rights have advanced significantly thanks to the power of protest. Think about the Harvey Milk era.
Or, perhaps you can offer up some better ideas as to how to make a positive change for equal rights? You did mention protesting at Pride Week, but that's like preaching to the converted, isn't it.
Daniel / June 23, 2010 at 10:22 am
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I find it funny when one of the protester was complaining that there were too many officers around......it's the fucking G20. Of course there will be a ton of officers around. If they did this next week during pride as they probably will anyway, I guarantee way fewer officers on the streets.

I love this city and have lived here my whole life, but this week isn't going to be pretty.
Peter K replying to a comment from Nic Boshart / June 23, 2010 at 10:28 am
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It's not the same as defacing a monument that commemorates the sacrifices those before us have made.

How would these folks like it if someone drew all over the Alexander Wood statue? It would be treated like a hate crime.

Every Canadian should be offended by this.
illegal gender? / June 23, 2010 at 10:38 am
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could someone please explain to me when gender is illegal? i have some trans- friends who have legal, normal jobs, and lead legal, normal lives here in ontario, and they have never once gotten in trouble for their gender.

i am not being facetious, i am honestly curious.
She-rah replying to a comment from illegal gender? / June 23, 2010 at 10:50 am
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It's illegal when you think it will make a catchy protest sign. Everyone knows it's not illegal, nor is sodomy, but when did facts ever get in the way of a good protest?
Bob replying to a comment from Rov / June 23, 2010 at 11:11 am
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They could run for office like Harvey Milk. But they don't...or at least they don't win. Protesting can only go so far. They need somebody on the inside. And I think the one gay city councillor is stepping down or retiring or something like that if I'm not mistaken.
JB / June 23, 2010 at 11:12 am
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I seem to have lost the plot. When have these things become illegal? It was my understanding that Toronto is one of the most liberal cities in the world with regards to transgendered rights. Is there a website or something where I can read more about this? Am I uninformed? Or is this just a protest for protest sake?
Stella / June 23, 2010 at 11:14 am
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When you aren't straight, you have less rights. That's what the signs are getting at. It's about equality for everyone no matter who you go to bed with at the end of the night.

It's really a shame to see how many police officers are patrolling the streets. I've been harassed on my way to and from work by police without provocation. I was at the beach taking photos and wading in the water with my boyfriend and two police officers on ATVs stopped us and questioned what we were throwing into the water (we were skipping stones).

This summit is costing the people of Canada and the residents of Toronto in many ways. For Canadians, it's flat out cash. For those of us in Toronto it's costing cash plus we're getting a first-hand look at how easily we can become a military city. I hope the rest of Canada is taking a good look at how quickly we loose our beloved freedom.
Cops Good, Protesters Bad replying to a comment from Stella / June 23, 2010 at 11:21 am
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Sorry, what rights don't you have if you're gay (and it's "fewer" rights, not "less" rights).

You're obviously an idiot. There's a summit about to happen. Everyone's getting harassed. They aren't singling you out. Don't do suspicious stuff like when there's an on edge atmosphere going on.

I'm glad they stopped you and your boyfriend. It's better that they play it safe than just assume you're harmless and something really bad happens.
Peter K replying to a comment from Stella / June 23, 2010 at 11:24 am
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It's "fewer" rights, not "less" rights. Your assertion is also completely false.
Mark / June 23, 2010 at 11:25 am
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RE: all the comments questioning the merits of the protest in gay-friendly Toronto/Canada

The G8/G20 meetings focus on global issues. LGBTTIQQA rights may not be as much of an issue here, but they are in many of the countries that are the focus of the G8/G20 meetings. This week's/weeekend's protesters aren't focussed just on Canadian or Ontarian or Torontonian issues, but global issues, mirroring the focus of the G8/G20 meetings. Think of how many countries being gay or trans etc. is illegal and the punishments meted out in such countries against these individuals.
PeterBrady / June 23, 2010 at 11:36 am
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I believe sodomy is still illegal on individuals under 18, so the only logical conclusion is that he/she is protesting to have that law struck. As for the gender sign, you're correct ma'am, your gender is not illegal. Now please go home and stop disrupting the City.
Rov replying to a comment from Mark / June 23, 2010 at 11:39 am
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Good comment, Mark.

But even if we just consider Toronto...

Bob, re: "They need somebody on the inside". George Smitherman. Openly gay MPP. Running for Toronto Mayor in October.

JB, re: "Toronto is one of the most liberal cities in the world with regards to transgendered rights". This might be true, but it's still not close to a perfect system. Toronto is also supposed to be one of the most multicultural cities in the world, yet racial discrimination and profiling still happens every day.
Rights are good replying to a comment from Mark / June 23, 2010 at 11:50 am
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That would be a perfectly logical and acceptable explanation, if the signs didn't prominently attack Canada and Ontario.
J B / June 23, 2010 at 11:54 am
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Rov: That is down to discrimination on an individual level and has nothing to do with government. It would be an issue if it discrimination was allow by the government. However, we have The Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms which protects all people, indeterminate of sex, race, age or sexual preference.
Mark replying to a comment from Rights are good / June 23, 2010 at 12:03 pm
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In all the photos I see two that make specific references to Canada or Ontario. The first one reads "My Canada includes Sodomy", which I'll admit I don't quite get.

The other supports the rights of transgendered individuals in Ontario, which is a valid concern. While there have been tremendous improvements in gay rights in the past 20 years, the same can't be said for transgendered individuals.
Marc / June 23, 2010 at 12:11 pm
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Remember the French Revolution and all of those revolutions throughout history! If it weren't for these and the people who revolted, then we wouldn't have the freedoms, rights and lives that we have today.
Daniel / June 23, 2010 at 12:21 pm
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I don't get it, I thought sodomy was an un-natural act? Well I assume it is not un-natural to gay men so why would they call it sodomy? Not that I have anything against it, what you do in your bedroom is your business but the G20 is to protest all issues and that's the way it should be.
If you protest with violence, that is another story.

Daniel .. Toronto
Get my take on the G20 - http://bit.ly/9GJsbJG20
Mike replying to a comment from Marc / June 23, 2010 at 12:24 pm
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Totally! I'll ready the guillotine.

Seriously, though, I'm sure these protesters have legitimate concerns, but in the climate of this city right now, nobody has an appetite for this.

Everybody's daily routines are being thrown upside down by this summit. The average Joe doesn't give a damn about what protestors are going on about. All they see is another disruption and sure as hell aren't going to be sympathetic to your cause if you make him late for work.

Legitimate groups (and I'm not talking about the masked jag-offs who are looking solely to cause trouble) have to pick their battles.
BH / June 23, 2010 at 12:32 pm
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Security for these summits were never so overwhelming in the past, but the rise of anarchists and other nutbars who just want to break things and charge the meeting has caused things to spiral out of control.

Here's a question: How many people remember the G8 summit held in 1988 in Toronto? Anyone remember any extreme scureity measures? No? That's because very little happened back then so security was less over the top than now. I haven't heard the media referring to it at all. There's a reason for that.

If people come to make trouble (rather than simply march) then of course security needs to be tighter. Putting all the blame on organizers ignores the way things have developed over the history of the event. I'd rather it was somewhere else like the rest of you, but the security is there for a reason.
Zed / June 23, 2010 at 12:34 pm
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Finally Toronto is having some fun on the streets!
Colin / June 23, 2010 at 12:37 pm
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Sill nobody has answered: WHAT RIGHTS DO GAYS, LESBIANS, and the TRANSGENDERED NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THAT THE REST OF US HAVE?

The answer is none.
BH replying to a comment from Colin / June 23, 2010 at 12:45 pm
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It's like many protests these days. Apart from a few genuine issues that need to be raised the majority of the protesters just want to hear the sound of their voices and bask in the glow of their solidarity--a mutual admiration society for people who think everyone else should think like they do.

A lot of these protests have nothing to do with G8 and world economic issues. They just want some attention.
Laurie replying to a comment from BH / June 23, 2010 at 12:46 pm
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Peaceful protests are part of our human rights. Wholeheartedly agree. However, the police and security agents are there to keep everyone safe. Taunting our police force, throwing feces and urine at them (yes, that happened today!!!!), or otherwise hurting them is simply not acceptable. Smarten up, imbiciles......your are making a farce of ligitimate protesting, and harrassing people there to help keep everyone safe!!!!!!!!
gadfly / June 23, 2010 at 12:56 pm
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Not sure what these kids are all protesting about. I used to walk down Yonge St. in the late '70s, holding my BF's hand. Here's a hint: if you look and behave like a freak, you'll be treated as such and no amount of protesting or laws are ever going to change that. Cops used to stop me and my friends on the street at 4 a.m. and tease us, but then what type of person is walking on the street at 4 a.m.? Is that descrimination, or just plain good policing?
The Gay Rights movement gets more and more fragmented and watered down every year to the point where all that is left is to fight for silly things like the right to show one's boobs on the street.
Mark replying to a comment from Colin / June 23, 2010 at 12:56 pm
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In Canada maybe, but not in many of the other countries that the G8/G20 delegates are focussing on this weekend. The whole point of the meetings is to discuss global issues and thus, protesters are addressing global issues as well. Thinking globally, gay/lesiban/bisexual/transgendered individuals definitely DO NOT have the same rights as everyone else. The G8/G20 isn't just about Canada and neither are any of these protests (signs about sodomy aside).
1234 / June 23, 2010 at 01:00 pm
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Remember this is a G20 protest so their messages about LGBT rights, sodomy, gender etc could be directed at the international community.

You're right that trans people have civil rights protection. However, transgender health care is absolutely dismal in Ontario. Trans people are limited to the GICs at the CAMH for draconian mental health services.

Trans people in Ontario are not approved for surgery until they are 21 years of age, so many must wait years for legal recognition of their gender, which leads to problems whenever ID is required for services. Needless to say travelling outside of the country is out of the question for those who don't want to out themselves.
Marc replying to a comment from gadfly / June 23, 2010 at 01:18 pm
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Perfectly said Gadfly, and put very simply, as simple as the notion really is.
Joe Aubin replying to a comment from Peter K / June 23, 2010 at 01:20 pm
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The respect should go to the individuals who thought they were doing the right thing by fighting in the wars, but, you can't respect the leaders' failure on both sides of any conflict. Wars is the failure of our leaders to bridge the gaps between nations. That is what the protesters are protesting. They are protesting war not the people who fought in those wars. War is an evil creation of man and is not something to celebrate or memorialize as something great. And since these memorials do nothing to prevent future wars they only serve to glorify. And it is wrong to glorify war in anyway and this I know for sure.
Mike replying to a comment from Joe Aubin / June 23, 2010 at 01:32 pm
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Wait, what? That statue is there as a war MEMORIAL. It commemorates the sacrifices of those who fought in it. It does not glorify it in the slightest.

The protestors defaced it. This is a cut and dry issue. What the protestors did was wrong. End of story.
J B replying to a comment from Joe Aubin / June 23, 2010 at 01:38 pm
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-George Santayana
Peter K replying to a comment from Joe Aubin / June 23, 2010 at 01:53 pm
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You, with all due respect (which is very little in your case), you are trying to confuse the issue. These memorials glorify nothing. They make us remember that people died and that we should do everything to make sure they don't happen again.

You have one warped perspective.
Miss Love / June 23, 2010 at 02:01 pm
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I don't understand what is up with the gay community?

All i see in the photo's are freaks with bad taste in clothing, trying to protest for something that to me is still very unclear, vandalizing property, expecting to be heard as if they were crying babies. Hey! Has anyone tried to do something good, being a good leader and getting your message across with a positive attitude? Showing our WORLD LEADERS how to do their jobs?

And for the Tranny's... do you have no shame? God has given you something to work with, not to change it to how you would like it to look, feel, taste. And then you create a sign of no WORLDLY importance and expect respect for it? YOU make me laugh. Poor little birds in the oil spill. I thought you had it bad
MJ / June 23, 2010 at 04:07 pm
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Hey "Miss love", Plato's cave is clearly waiting for your return.
JM / June 23, 2010 at 04:55 pm
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Gadfly, What does "looking and behaving like a freak" actually mean? Can you clarify? I was waiting for a bus with my boyfriend, who decided to give me a kiss, only to be harassed by some asshole across the street. At that point I felt like a freak, and it was 3pm on King street. Just because you feel that we've achieved some level of 'equality'(whatever that means) doesn't mean everyone shares your (GWM) point of view. I respect the history our queer community has achieved, but I certainly do not think we've 'won the battle' by any means. Fighting for global LGBT+ freedom is NOT "silly" or "watered down", but what do I know, I'm just a freaky 'kid'.

Mike / June 23, 2010 at 05:07 pm
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how about straight people? Why do gay/lesbian people get special rights that other people don't have?
Colin replying to a comment from Mike / June 23, 2010 at 05:23 pm
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You still haven't answered: what rights are you talking about? What rights don't gays/lesbains have that straight people do?

In Canada there are none.

Of course you are the same morons who protest Israel and support Palestine even though Israel allows gay marriage and you'd probably be stoned to death for it in a free Palestine.
LHD replying to a comment from Colin / June 23, 2010 at 06:48 pm
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@Colin:
In Saudi Arabia, a member of the G20, homosexuals have the death penalty.
Most of the G20 countries do not permit same-sex marriage or civil unions
And, unfortunately, even in places like Canada, there are still homophobic attitudes and the majority of violent hate crimes in Canada are motivated by sexual orientation.
rjw85 / June 23, 2010 at 07:26 pm
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I'm still trying to figure out what trans people are. Are they one gender and decide to switch to the next (which if I remember correctly is partially paid by Dalton's government)?
1234 replying to a comment from rjw85 / June 23, 2010 at 07:59 pm
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Trans people could refer to either the umbrella "transgender" or more clinical "transsexual" depending on the context.

Transgender can refer to any sort of cross gender behavior... people who experience transvestitism, drag entertainers. It also refers to transsexuals.

Transsexuals are a group of people who identify and seek to live as as a member of the sex opposite to the one which they were assigned at birth... most of them seek gender reassignment therapy.

You're correct ... minister for heath George Smitherman relisted SRS a few years ago but it is easier said than done to jump though the hoops of getting approved.
Alex replying to a comment from Daniel / June 23, 2010 at 11:54 pm
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Sodomy is defined as any act, whether between hetero or homosexual partners, that is not penis to vagina intercourse.
peppy / June 24, 2010 at 10:19 am
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I am new to Toronto and would love to go to participate in some peaceful protests. Is there place where all this is organized? a website? a group? how do you know when to go and protest!?
Joe Aubin replying to a comment from Miss Love / June 24, 2010 at 11:19 am
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You are right about the positive conduct and showing the world leaders how it is done. Good on you for the positive intentions, however, as part of creating a positive world is respecting others and what they want to do with their lives. They hurt nobody and they are positive, however, it appears you would like to impose your sexual orientation on them. To impose your will on another is not a positive but a negative don't you know.
JB replying to a comment from peppy / June 24, 2010 at 12:52 pm
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@peppy; And there you have it. People who want to participate in protests for the sake of participating like a bunch of lemmings, instead of getting involved in a cause that they actually support.

Do us all a favor and stay home. Watch the protests on tv, make some signs and parade around your living room. The last thing we need is one more knucklehead downtown looking for attention. Completely detracts away from legitimate protesters that actually believe in something and have something to say.
Rov replying to a comment from peppy / June 24, 2010 at 01:46 pm
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Peppy, don't listen to all those naysayers and trolls. If you're interested in participating, I salute you. There are MANY ways to participate. Even observers, photo takers and videographers are welcome. Participation at all levels are respected. Not to mention the great opportunity to talk to activists, and to become more aware and engaged with some of the issues which are being put-forth. Then you can decide for yourself which side of the fence you're on.

My advice: come to Queen's Park at 12pm on Saturday to participate in the main march. Come a little early if you can, to pick up some literature, ask questions, and take in the energy of the movement in solidarity. You'll be glad that you participated in this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and later you can speak about it first-hand, instead of all the angry trolls that regurgitate what they read from the newspaper.
Mark / June 24, 2010 at 02:30 pm
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Peppy, if you want to help and do something constructive, get a job. There are enough layabouts and hippies in Toronto so we don't need anymore.
Rov / June 24, 2010 at 02:59 pm
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Oh, one more thing, Peppy. Reading BlogTO comments will make you hate the people in this city. For some reason most commenters tend to be real a-holes. The anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in people.
Just remember that not everyone in Toronto is an a-hole. Not every Torontonian forgets that a lot of people with jobs have the weekend off work and are interested in doing something constructive and intellectual with their free time, like learn and be open to different opinions and cultures. There is some real beauty to be found here. Be at the protest this weekend. See the city in action.
Daniel .. Toronto, CANADA / June 25, 2010 at 08:02 am
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That is always what I thought the definition is of sodomy was and according to wikipedia it is unnatural sex but my point is that kind of sex is not unnatural to gay men as I understand it.

"Sodomy (pronounced /ˈsɒdəmi/) is a term used in the law to describe the act of "unnatural"[1] sex, which depending on jurisdiction can consist of oral sex or anal sex or any non-genital to genital congress, whether heterosexual, or homosexual, or with human or animal.[2]"

But I do see your point.

Daniel .. Toronto
http://bit.ly/Daniel2010
Mortimer / June 25, 2010 at 08:28 am
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Rov: I have to agree, I'm new to this city via Montreal, and rely on BlogTO for local and relevant news; however, the commenters on this blog are absolutely vile. They paint Toronto in its "All-mighty-dollar-loving", car worshiping, small minded, bigoted, uptight, WASPy, puritan, cliched colours... It's like a bad joke that went too far. I know this place used to be known as Methodist Rome and it seems it really hasn't changed.

I'm no stranger to the internet, but can Toronto have THAT many trolls? I give the benefit of the doubt and assume most of these posts are attempts at dry sarcasm, but what worries me is that they might actually be... serious. Is that possible?
JB replying to a comment from Mortimer / June 25, 2010 at 11:58 am
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@Mortimer; Ummm... pot and the kettle. Coming onto a comment board read by Torontonians and calling them "All-mighty-dollar-loving, car worshiping, small minded, bigoted, uptight, WASPy, puritan, cliched colours" is very troll-like behavior.

Every city has its 'opinionated' people on both sides of the spectrum. Blanketing everyone else on the comment board is unfair.
Rov replying to a comment from Mortimer / June 25, 2010 at 12:07 pm
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Mortimer, I have no clue why this site has so many trolls. Or bashing, angry, small-minded people. You would think we were a bunch of xenophobic yokels. I'm glad to hear someone else agrees... I was beginning to think it was just me. I wonder if its that most people realize what I'm just starting to now: don't feed the trolls. Trolls don't digest sound arguments or intellectual dialogue well.

If you engage in a conversation with someone that lives in this city (Toronto proper), I think you will find that most are politically aware and open-minded to new ideas and concepts. Toronto is a great city, but you have to participate in it (in person) to figure that out. Something that these haters don't quite get, or don't care for.

Good luck.
JB replying to a comment from Rov / June 25, 2010 at 12:31 pm
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@Rov; Heya mate, you're the one trolling. Yourself and Mortimer are the only ones that have resorted to name calling of other people on the blog. Everyone else in involved in amicable conversation.

"..a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." -Wikipedia

Try going a little easier on your fellow readers and you'll be taken more seriously. While I appreciate your points, I do think that some of your sweeping generalizations are a mis-proportionate representation of the other participants of the conversation.

And with that, I'm done on the subject. I came here to discuss, not to argue. Enjoy your weekend, and be safe at the protests.
Mortimer / June 25, 2010 at 01:21 pm
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Well all I'm saying is that people don't really have these opinions, do they? In this day and age, in a Canadian city? Sort of comes as a shock; I'm assuming they're "fake" identities, sort of like Stephen Colbert... or have I misjudged the temperament of the world at large?
888 replying to a comment from LHD / June 25, 2010 at 04:55 pm
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@LHD:
"In Saudi Arabia ... homosexuals have the death penalty.
Most of the G20 countries do not permit same-sex marriage or civil unions..."

WELL, GO PROTEST AND BREAK WINDOWS THERE!
Why don't you go to protest in Saudi Arabia instead?
Your protests in Toronto, Canada - regarding Saudi Arabia or *other* countries - are simple abuse of our canadian democracy.
Oh wait, I know why are you protesting in Canada instead of Saudi Arabia: because it safe to do it here, isn't this the reason why all the protests regarding foreign countries and their citizens are organized ONLY in western countries?
You people are just leeches on our democracy, nothing more.
God forbid the western countries would try to apply any pressure on i.e. Saudi Arabia - idiots like you would have immediately organized protests against western countries trying to change the arabian culture or against discrimantion of Islam "culture" LOL
You are so pathetic.
LHD replying to a comment from 888 / June 26, 2010 at 12:27 pm
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@888:
1) I won't be one of the protesters breaking windows and being violent, nor will the majority of protestors. And I certainly despise those violent tactics.

2) You have an odd idea of democracy. My idea of democracy is that free political discourse, including protest, enhances the exchange of ideas and gives visibility to a cause so that governments recognize the cause and take it seriously - peaceful political protest has been the pillar of major social change in western modern democracies. It worked in the labour movement, it worked in the civil rights movement, it worked in California in Harvey Milk's time, and it worked in the Stonewall Riots in NYC.

3) You're right - we do have freedom of speech in Canada (to an extent) and I could not protest in this way in many countries. So obviously I will do it here, with the message that if the emerging economies want to join the world, they'd better get their human rights in line.
applesfromseeds / June 27, 2010 at 04:33 am
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Does anyone know if there are any stats on how many protest groups have been active during the G20? If so does it include the approximate number of supporters for those groups?

I ask because I know that much of what is going on in current society is very comforting and easy and yet somehow feels wrong. Being governed primarily by media seems wrong. That the largest issues being addressed by protesters appear to be 'people aren't nice enough to me' and 'I don't get paid as much as so-and-so' seems short sighted. I am sure these issues are of great importance to many people but surely there are other issues as well to be brought to the attention of the leaders of the free world? I don't know if this is simply the way the news is portraying it (I am not in Toronto to see for myself) but I would be interested to know more.
Joe Aubin replying to a comment from applesfromseeds / June 29, 2010 at 05:58 pm
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Take a look at what this fellow thinks.
Joe Aubin replying to a comment from applesfromseeds / June 29, 2010 at 05:58 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5G7aCgXtWg&;feature=player_embedded

M replying to a comment from Joe Aubin / June 30, 2010 at 03:11 pm
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Thanks Joe for the great video. I was at Queen's Park and saw the police brutality myself. My friend is one of the ones in the video. He was walking and was hit with a police baton. We felt betrayed by the media when they protrayed the police as being reactive to the violence, when really, the violence (aka destruction of property) was happening many blocks away.
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