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Service Ontario Waits Too Long

Posted by Rick McGinnis / December 3, 2009

Service OntarioIf there's one irrefutable fact about citizenship, it's that you will, at regular intervals, find yourself in a lineup, whether you drive, fish, shoot, fly, travel, get married, renovate the bathroom or plan on getting sick. It's the sort of mundane wisdom you can't help but reflect on when, for instance, you're sitting with a couple of hundred citizens in a Service Ontario office, glancing nervously at the numbers on an LCD sign and wondering if a bar code tattooed on your forehead at birth wouldn't be an awful lot more convenient.

I'm here because my friend wants someone to corroborate his recent, awful experiences renewing his health card and paying a fine - both at the pleasure of Service Ontario, the province's retail face. He wants to know if I have the same horrible, Kafkaesque ordeal, which requires me to find some facet of my life requiring bureaucratic overhaul. In essence, he's the test, I'm the control.

I settle on re-registering for my Health Card. I still have the red-and-white one I was issued decades ago, dirty and dog-eared from its long residence in a series of wallets; it still works, and has the added feature of never needing renewal, but the province would prefer if I'd upgrade to their picture ID with its shorter lifespan. It's something I might have put off indefinitely, but modern life seems to require increasingly verifiable proofs of identity - and more of them. A driver's license is the gold standard of official identification, but as a lifelong non-driver, I find myself too often provoking a dumbfounded glare from officials when I admit, sheepishly, that I don't have one.

And so I commit the better part of an unseasonably fine weekday to the machinery at Service Ontario's College Park facilities. I show up just before noon, assuming that most people can only afford to sacrifice their lunch hour to the process, and immediately get issued a number: D128. I glance around the room; by a rough count, there are at least 60 people sitting in chairs or squatting against the walls in the half of the room nearest the reception desk, and at least that many in the other half of the space.

The province's document-stampers are at work at a series of wickets covering three sides of the room, our chairs face them, and the barrier between us is demarcated by a series of red LCD signs flashing letters and numbers and arrows pointing to a wicket. I briefly spy "D103" on the sign as I look for a seat; a small sign by the reception helpfully informs me that the wait time is approximately 45 minutes. This doesn't seem that bad, and if I'm out of here in time, I have a completed passport renewal form in my bag that I might be able to push through at the offices down on Victoria Street. (It sounds ambitious, I know, but unfounded ambition has always been a character flaw of mine.)

I take a seat and ask the elderly couple behind me how long they've been there. Forty-five minutes, they say. I chuckle and tell them about the posted wait time, but they inform me that's for Health Cards - it's 2 ½ hours for driver's licenses, which is why they're there. A few seats away from them, a pretty girl with middle-eastern features is blank-faced while playing ferocious death metal on her iPod.

This is Toronto, so I know not to expect much in the way of camaraderie while waiting. The best way to describe the atmosphere is resigned; there's not much in the way of hardship - the room is bright and recently re-done in that ominpresent airport departure lounge style, with flat panel screens playing helpful messages about the bureaucratic process and (thankfully) no muzak, which would be pointless as a quarter of the room are sporting earbuds. Still, the joylessness is palpable. There's a persistent joke that it was lineups, not sclerotic politics or economic implosion, that did in the USSR, and while watching your day dissolve waiting for a form to be initialed, it's nearly plausible; no one enjoys assuming a supplicant attitude to their government. Whatever else might be at stake in the battle over socialized medicine in the U.S., there's no doubt that avoiding this - or more of this - is what its opponents want to avoid.

Waiting at Service OntarioAlmost everyone is killing time with their cell phones; just three people have newspapers, and only a couple are reading books. I see three families - just fathers, actually - with small children, all of whom are startlingly well-behaved. I try to read, but my eyes keeps cautiously lifting to check on the LCD sign; I see numbers prefixed with the letters B, C, G, J, K and L as well as D, and at one point spy both D114 and D123 displayed. Time, it seems, is going both forward and backward here.

I made sure that I was well-supplied before sitting down - I have magazines and a book, a bottle of water and a bag of peanuts, and the cell phone and Zune are both charged. After half an hour, though, my music choice - The Opiates by Thomas Feiner, a famously bleak, melancholy record - is infusing the wait with an almost Soviet despair, and search for something more upbeat. Paolo Conte manages to make the rest of my wait almost amusing.

I finally get my turn after nearly 90 minutes - not an unendurable wait, but a long lunch for someone with a real job. Outside I talk to Kate, who says she got out in about the same time, despite renewing her stolen Health Card and driver's license - a helpful official doing the former just put her back in the system for the latter, a tip worth remembering. She gratefully holds up her Blackberry and the copy of The Tipping Point that helped her kill the time. Walking out just after her, Frank tells me that he was only in there ten seconds - he came in to renew his fishing license and saw the lineup. "I'll do it online," he says.

Discussion

80 Comments

meh / December 3, 2009 at 09:24 am
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I'm sorry, but this article was about as boring and pointless as your wait. What's next, a story about waiting for the pizza delivery guy?
wbe / December 3, 2009 at 09:25 am
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And now that you've ditched the old red and white card (which my doctor always tells me to hang on to for as long as I can) you have to go through this every few years...
waiting / December 3, 2009 at 09:26 am
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I've been there four or five times now and I've always seen the long lines and people who've been waiting for ages, yet I've always been in and out within 20-30 minutes. I remember thinking that the non-sequential order system must make it difficult to settle in for a long wait because you have no idea when your turn will be. I wonder how they're determining the order?
RB / December 3, 2009 at 09:26 am
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.... give me a break I had my health card and drivers license renewed within 20 minutes. Of course I had all the proper documentation and everything filled out. I see so many people arguing over documentation or not providing the information required. They must slow things down for everyone else.
Robyn / December 3, 2009 at 09:27 am
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Should have gone and done your passport! I did the entire thing in under 10 minutes at Victoria street, including wait time and payment processing. Ridiculous. I love that they have so much stuff online now.
Welland / December 3, 2009 at 09:53 am
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My family lives in St. Catharines, so anytime I have something coming up for renewal, I plan a trip to the old homestead and get it done there.
akswun / December 3, 2009 at 09:55 am
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This is dumb!... Service Ontario waits are long for people who have no research skills, for people who don't understand the system. SO has improved 10fold!. I've lost a few wallets in the past 10 years and had to renew all my various ID's. One thing I've learned the first time around is get all your documents ready that are required and everything will be smooth as butter. What makes things even faster is the use of Internet and Online applications. There should be a story on "WHY THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE WAITING SO LONG AT SERVICE ONTARIO!" I have yet to spend more than 15mins to renew any piece of ID including my passport. Key is to do the application online, get all your supporting documents, get your money ready if needed and you're good to go.
octavio / December 3, 2009 at 10:06 am
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i may be mistaken, but i was under the impression you were only allowed to present your health card to a health care professional, and that it was more or less illegal to use as a form of identification. sort of a catch-22, especially coming from a province that does not have standard identification card (like the bcid or the alberta identification card).

with all due respect, giving up your red and white health card was a stupid thing to do
Chester Pape / December 3, 2009 at 10:06 am
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giving up the red and white health card is a bad idea unless you have to (mine finally disintegrated to the point where the doctor couldn't read it. Here's the best part, your health card, appearances to the contrary notwithstanding is not ID, if you try to present it as ID at the airport for example they are under no obligation to accept it. If you are not a driver and are over 35 at present the only option you have for government issued photo ID is a passport. Under 35 there is also whatever they call the "age of majority" card now.

I did both renewals recently and neither of them took more than 30 minutes.
Begbie replying to a comment from octavio / December 3, 2009 at 10:09 am
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Ontario DOES have a provincial ID card - it's called the BYID. The only reason I know that is because I have one.
Denise / December 3, 2009 at 10:14 am
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Little known fact- you can make an appointment by calling ahead. I did this when i had to replace my stolen health card. i was in and out in under 10 minutes.

Best experience of my life! Did the same when it was time to renew my daughter's card. again, under 10 minutes.

W. K. Lis / December 3, 2009 at 10:19 am
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Most people get a driver's licence, even if they are not going to drive, just for identification purposes. It has your name, gender, address, date of birth, and a photo.

The Health card does not have a visible address, which the driver's licence does. No address, its not valid as id. Why no address? Privacy issues is the only reason I see.

Both cards should have organ donor information, but doesn't.

Ah, for the days when both were paper and no photos.
alor / December 3, 2009 at 10:21 am
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I was also in and out in about 20 minutes for my Health Card. I did all my documentation online and had all necessary ID's ready. The reason the numbers seem all out of order is that if no one shows up when their number is called, they keep repeating that number until someone shows up before going on to the next sequential number. I also had to replace my Driver's License while I was there and they said the wait would be too long (this was just after the strike) so I went to a separate location for my Driver's License at College and Clinton and was in and out there in about 10 minutes.

I like how you included what music you listened to..... I actually youtube'd Thomas Feiner The Opiates and Paolo Conte (I'm a nerd!). I could see how The Opiates would make the wait even more desperate. Nice article! I enjoyed it. :)
Kelly / December 3, 2009 at 10:26 am
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I went last Thursday after work to renew my Health Card and Drivers license and got both done in under 30 minutes.
Darlene / December 3, 2009 at 10:37 am
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Try going to any European country for these same services and you'll be begging for your Service Ontario 90 minute wait.

We've got it pretty good here.
ExPat / December 3, 2009 at 10:47 am
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Getting your license renewed is a unique brand of slow torture, but can be easily avoided if you do your research, download, fill out the forms and bring them and have all your documentation handy. Half the delays come from people not knowing what the hell they're doing, or are unable to communicate.
matts / December 3, 2009 at 10:51 am
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Seconding Denise's comment: call ahead, make an appointment and you'll be done with your OHIP card renewal in under ten minutes.
W.M. / December 3, 2009 at 11:03 am
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I was desperate to hang onto my red and white health card (which was in fine condition), but about a year ago I got a letter in the mail saying that I HAD to replace it with one of the new ones. I initially ignored the letter, but the next time I went to use my health card, it popped up in their system that I had to get the new card and I would only be able to use the red and white one for so long before it wouldn't be accepted. So enjoy your red and white while you can! Sounds like they'll get you eventually, whether your card disintegrates or not.
jltoronto replying to a comment from waiting / December 3, 2009 at 11:08 am
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Like a few others on here, I had a very different experience. I only had to wait 10 minutes max for exactly the same procedure. I work for the government and know a bit about Service Ontario and I had fears about how bad it would be. I was pleasantly surprised. Same story with my license - renewed in 5 minutes (not at that College Park location though - the one right downtown on Victoria).

Anyway - there will always be stories like this but perhaps they're not nearly as frequent as they used to be.
Susan / December 3, 2009 at 11:13 am
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I went to get my Driver License renewed a couple of weeks ago and I wait for 2.5 hours. The process of changing my identification on my license only took about 5 mins max with taking a photo. The waiting made me go crazy! My number was L52 and the LCD screen flashed L25.. I never knew it would take that long but I saw some guy sitting near me with K159 while the screen flashed K110 - poor guy must of waited for about 3+ hours. Tips: Call ahead for an appointment and if you haven't walk around college park instead of sitting there waiting!
JJ / December 3, 2009 at 11:26 am
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As with many government services, timing is key.

Go first thing on a weekday morning, and you'll be in and out in ten minutes.

Go around lunch, or during the after-work hours, and you'll be waiting. I recently had a lovely, mind-numbing 2 hour stay at Service Ontario @ College Park just to get a motorcycle license upgraded. (Literally two hours. For a very simple procedure that took literally 2 minutes. And yes, all my paperwork was in order.)

Have to agree with the majority here, though -- definitely a bad move to give up the red and white card.

G Smith / December 3, 2009 at 11:28 am
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Just to chime in about the waits being "too long" -- I renewed both my license and my health card at once at College Park in May.

<em>It took twenty-five minutes, tops.</em>

By far the smoothest "DMV"-type government office interaction I have ever had. As far as I could tell, the only way it could have been more efficient is if they had handled both at the same wicket and used the same photo instead of having me process each document at a separate station, but separate stations a queues are understandable.

For comparison, getting my passport in August wasn't quite as smooth... but only because the whiz kids who took and stamped my photo (not the gubmint, so not really their fault) placed it in their little envelope in such a way as to get ink from the stamp on one photo onto the front of the other photo. The helpful passport clerk spent quite a while buffing the ink stain off and ultimately everything was fine.
Edgar / December 3, 2009 at 11:35 am
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I love ServiceOntario...agreeing with many posts here... got a new health card and back into my car within 10 minutes... you didn't do your homework so you pay for it... too bad sucka!
James / December 3, 2009 at 11:38 am
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I was in and out in less than 15 minutes w/ my drivers + health card. Service Ontario FTW!
Joel M / December 3, 2009 at 11:47 am
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Wow you must have had a really bad day. I got both my Driver's Licence and my Health Card renewed on Nov 19. Health Card took about 15 minutes and for the Driver's Licence I was in and out in less than 10. No appointments at all.

I live downtown but I went to Etobicoke to get them done, because I figured their lines would be shorter.

Here's where I went:

Health Card: Islington & Bloor Location 3300 Bloor St W Suite 142, right near Islington Station. Many people here did not have correct documentation. Remember a passport or Birth Certificate, the guy at the front seemed relieved that I had actually brought my passport and said "Great Job!", before getting screamed at by the lady behind me who forgot hers. Also don't fill out your forms in red ink or they'll make you fill them out again.


Driver's Licence: Kipling-Queensway Mall 1225 The Queensway. There was literally 1 person ahead of me in line here. I've been here a few times and it always seems to be empty. You can get there by taking the 44 Kipling South bus from Kipling Station or the 80 Queensway Bus.
Bubba / December 3, 2009 at 11:59 am
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BTW the new health cards are not considered a legal form of ID,
as they are considered to be to easy to alter, or fake your identity.
jack / December 3, 2009 at 12:10 pm
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What??? the one at college park is really fast and efficient.. i was very impressed..did all my cards renewal there, no problems whatsoever
expectstheworst / December 3, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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I was there last week, and it was sloooow, but what could i really expect at noon time?
citizen cocoa / December 3, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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can't use your health card as ID, and it doesn't take long if you prepare your stuff in advance and go in the morning

i recently renewed my passport and it took all of 5 minutes, they sent me my new one in under 2 weeks...the government aint bad when you work with it.

nice writeup though, if a little off
jack / December 3, 2009 at 12:18 pm
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bwt, those american apparal ads running here are getting sluttier and sluttier
Lune replying to a comment from Bubba / December 3, 2009 at 12:21 pm
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>The new health cards are not considered a legal form of ID,
as they are considered to be to easy to alter, or fake your identity.

But driver's license is not. It's so not fair - I don't have a driver's license, have to dig out my passport often.

As for Service Ontario, I waited 20 minutes at the most - and it was on Friday afternoon (busy time of the week). It used to be 1 hr+, I think the service improved much better.
pikachiu132 / December 3, 2009 at 12:22 pm
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As part of my profession working in Process engineering, i would LOVE for them to hire me and help improve this process for people. BUT, there is absolutely no incentive for Service Ontario to do this. You are still forced to go there and wait, regardless of how long, to do all your business. Cutting costs would be their only incentive to improve things, but if they are already understaffed and make you wait that long, what other costs can they cut?
The only thing they can do is focus efforts on doing things online, so to minimize the people that actually walk into the line up. There's no customer service satisfaction that needs improving here in their eyes; there's no competition, unless you move out of Ontario/Canada.

They need to look at why it takes so long to process certain things, and see if that can be decreased (i.e. pre filled forms, and proper information accessiblility). We are also a community of people who's first langugage is not English, and that probably adds to any confusion. Segregated lines for different services, proper training, and an incentive for the actual agents to process things quickly would probably improve things.
Chris / December 3, 2009 at 12:32 pm
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Never had an issue in any Ontario city. In & Out. The three-level centre in Ottawa's city hall is great.
Stephan / December 3, 2009 at 12:35 pm
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Seems like not all ServiceOntario centres are equal. I waited for 65 mins in the morning to renew my driver's licence (no paperwork required). This was at the College Park location.
Stephan / December 3, 2009 at 12:46 pm
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I just found out that you can book an appointment online for health card or driver's licence renewals. That would explain why some people walk in and go to one of the wickets so quickly.
Gloria replying to a comment from Lune / December 3, 2009 at 12:48 pm
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Just get a driver's license. I don't drive very much -- maybe twice a month -- but I got one for ID purposes and for the fact that having the skill can and probably will come in handy in the future. It's expensive, but I think it's a worthy investment.

If you can't be bothered to get one, then don't complain about digging out a passport (which is what my boyfriend does0. Anyway, it's not like there's much of a difference in renewal times -- you have to renew a license as often as you need to get a new passport.
jennifer / December 3, 2009 at 01:04 pm
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I went first thing in the morning to renew health and drivers (needed a new photo for both) and it took 15 minutes. Done and done. Easy. I WISH I still had my red and white though...I had to give it up when I moved to Quebec and got a health card there. Once I returned to Ontario, I was forced to get a picture card.
m / December 3, 2009 at 01:06 pm
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after all that, why are we not allowed to use the health card as ID? most people won't accept it, yet the security that i had to go through just to get it RENEWED was as much as with a passport.

it's a pain in the ass to renew, long waits, disorganized staff on the phone (when i called to find out what i can bring as proof of identity since i too don't drive).

my daughter's renewal (she is 2 years old) came in 6 weeks before expiry, but it takes up to 6 weeks to renew. so no slack. she ended up missing a bunch of shots due to this, and we ended up waiting for her card for 3 months. there was a "mixup at the office and we still haven't processed it".
m / December 3, 2009 at 01:10 pm
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oh i also have to complain about "we got it pretty good here"-type comments. i think this is the wrong way to look at bureaucracy and we have to figure out what we ourselves are willing to put up with, not look elsewhere to feel better.
Nick / December 3, 2009 at 01:11 pm
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Hmmm, I tried changing the address (it's on the back, W.K. Lis) for my HealthCard online at serviceontario.ca, as I had moved . Now *that* was a frustrating experience. For whatever reason, I could either not get the site to accept the ID that I had used to register the card in 2002, or the site was down, or the link that was provided to a pre-filled PDF offered in lieu of the online form did not work. Finally at some point I managed to download a blank PDF change of address form, which I printed, filled out with a device called a pen, and sent off to Kingston. Sheesh, how difficult can it be to set up a functioning website for this kind of thing? The website for passport renewals is great, if a bit complicated. B.t.w., if you fill out all the passport stuff online, you can be in and out of the passport office on Victoria St. within 5 minutes (you skip to the head of the line, effectively).
Carrie / December 3, 2009 at 01:22 pm
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Last time I got my health card renewed at College Park it took 10 minutes to process it, from the time I walked in the door to the time I walked out. Then again, I wouldn't be foolish and go at lunch when everyone and their dog is going.
Serb / December 3, 2009 at 01:38 pm
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This article is so useless as it doesn't bring anything new to the table.

What you should've done with it is conclude it with the fact that if you show up at any of these government offices BEFORE 9am (as most of them open up at 8am or 8:30am) you will be in and out in less than 5 minutes, if that (including the walk up the stairs, through the door, getting your number, waiting, processing paperwork, signing stuff up and walking out the door).

I have had to wait for this b.s. for more than 5 minutes only once - the first time. It doesn't take much more than that to realize that later on in the day you show up, the more people will be queuing up, especially after lunch! All my health cards, drivers licenses, car paperwork, passports, even parking and traffic tickets - all done in less than 5 minutes if you follow that simple rule... wake the hell up earlier than everyone else! Geez...

But no, you failed to think about that concept, apparently.
west side dweller / December 3, 2009 at 01:41 pm
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Last time I had to renew my license I went on my lunch time to College and Bathurst - took me 5 minutes as I was the 3rd person in line.

Try waiting to get a visa for India or a residency card for Holland then we can talk about waiting too long.
Meagan / December 3, 2009 at 01:49 pm
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I HAD TO give up my red and white card; they told me I had until such-and-such a date or my OHIP coverage would be suspended. I need it, so I succumbed. :(
Lexspicoli / December 3, 2009 at 02:00 pm
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Re: Red Vs. New Health cards - as a non-driver I needed to switch to the new health card in order to use it as verification of my identity in order to get a passport. The new card can not be used as ID in most situations (say, at a bar) but it def. can when applying for a passport.

Re: Lineups/wait times for renewals - Kiosks! They are a blessing.
Vic De Zen / December 3, 2009 at 02:04 pm
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Speaking as someone who's waited an hour and a half to renew my health card I do agree that the waits are too long. They do have their good days of course. But the majority of the time, you are forced to wait for an extended period of time.
Joel M / December 3, 2009 at 02:05 pm
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If you don't drive, a BYID card is much more affordable than a Driver's Licence. ($30 versus $75). You gotta be under 35 though.

http://www.lcbo.ca/socialresponsibility/byidcard_standard.shtml
HeHAH replying to a comment from west side dweller / December 3, 2009 at 02:54 pm
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Harsh, but true. The dutch don't want anyone in their country unless you're rollin in with an EU passport and even then they don't want you there. Still love their fry stands and feebo though.
momo / December 3, 2009 at 03:07 pm
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yeah, besides the timing, it help if you visit a place off the beaten path. I always renew my license at Cloverdale Mall, and I have never waited more than 5 minutes. Sometimes there is even no line at all.
Zuzu / December 3, 2009 at 03:10 pm
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I've never waited longer than 20 minutes since the College Park place switched to "Service Ontario" and I lose my health card every 3 months or so for some reason, so I'm an expert. I usually go around 10am though, not noon.
Dee / December 3, 2009 at 04:37 pm
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I tired to renew my driver's license at College Park last week around 5:00pm they told me there was a 2 hour wait so I left, I guess I just depends on when you go...
rick mcginnis / December 3, 2009 at 04:52 pm
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Away from the computer all day, so there's a lot for me to respond to, so here goes:

1. I filled out my forms online, had my required ID, etc., etc. - still had 90 minute wait. Didn't know you could make appointments, though. Useful information. That's why we have a comments section, folks.
2. I could have gone earlier in the day, but unlike me, most people have jobs, so I thought I'd check out the ordeal at lunch hour, which is when working folks have a spare window of time
3. Didn't know that the photo ID Health Card wasn't valid ID until I got home, and was clued in by my wife. What can I say - damn. And I'm too old for the BYID card. Double damn.
4. From what I've read here, it's very much luck of the draw at Service Ontario, though from what I can tell my friend's experience was on the far end of the miserable scale, and I couldn't repeat his results, at least not on that day.
5. Sorry if this wasn't as dramatic as the Saigon airlift, but what can I say - this is a city blog, and stories like this are part of what living in a city (for good or bad) is all about. If you'd like, I'll order pizza next week and serialize it in 12 parts...
nate / December 3, 2009 at 05:35 pm
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As a followup, how about getting some actual metrics from Service Ontario? They almost certainly track, per service location, # of transactions per day per employee, avg. wait times per service type, historical wait times per day and time, etc.

How many employees do they have doing the processing? (How many wickets open) How does their not-entirely-sequential numbering system actually work?

Otherwise all of this is just anecdotal.

And lastly, how about providing a listing of the services which can be done online or at a Service Ontario kiosk INSTEAD of at a Service Ontario service counter?
Joel M replying to a comment from rick mcginnis / December 3, 2009 at 05:56 pm
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I seem to remember the whole problem with using Photo Health Cards as ID came about when they were first launched in the 1990's. During this time some people had their card info and pictures mixed up. People were receiving their info with another persons' picture, and vice versa. In theory you could have a 16 year old get his picture with a 25 year old's information & birth date.

I believe after that fiasco legislation was passed banning the use of Health Cards as ID. The problem has all but disappeared now as any fake cards have long since expired, but the laws are still on the books. (If anybody remembers this let me know, I could just have a bad memory)

Some places will still take a Health Card, especially if you have corroborating photo id (ie: student card, expired licence), but it can be hit and miss. The main rule is they cannot ask you for your Health Card under any circumstances, you have to volunteer it.

Passports are going to have their expiry dates extended from 5 to 10 years in the near future, so non drivers over 35 may want to consider that.
AndrewS / December 3, 2009 at 06:23 pm
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I went to College Park at 8:30. Had both OHIP and DL renewed by 8:45. In fact, because I start work at 10, I ended up having to kill an extra hour, unexpectedly.

Re: OHIP address: the newest version doesn't have an address on it- mine (Oct '08) doesn't. Perhaps it's privacy. I suspect it's so you dont' need to renew it if you move.

Sadly, I moved to Ontario too late to get the never-expiring version.
jack / December 3, 2009 at 07:47 pm
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you wanna pay more tax??? more tax??? hire more people to do these stupid jobs??? i don't want any more tax increase..let them work slowly..
Inferno / December 3, 2009 at 10:39 pm
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Logic dictates if you go when everybody else goes, you have to wait.
I went in for my M1 license and i was in and out within 25 minutes, which includes writing the exam and them checking it. Go early
Google it! replying to a comment from akswun / December 4, 2009 at 12:28 am
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Agreed wholeheartedly.
James / December 4, 2009 at 12:31 am
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Hi Gang!!
jim replying to a comment from octavio / December 4, 2009 at 08:00 am
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it's not illegal. you can't make it illegal to use something as ID. If someone will take it I could use a name tag as ID.
jz / December 4, 2009 at 09:50 am
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Duhhhhh....do you think the Serco-DES strike might have something to do with this. Use your brain. This is the only centre in Ontario currently doing driving tests versus normally over 50 sites. Logic dictates there may be a bit of a wait under these circumstances. I think your wait time was pretty good, considering the increased demand on this one location
G Smith replying to a comment from m / December 4, 2009 at 11:01 am
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Point taken, but I disagree -- when it comes to issuing or renewing official documents, our governments face the same challenges as other governments do in terms of providing timely service and fulfillment. Benchmarking against "the competition" (as it were) and discovering that we compare favourably is very appropriate. The alternative, i.e. saying "so what, I won't be satisfied until it's instant" amounts to a refusal to acknowledge whatever inherent challenges (such as the issues others have noted here, especially clients -- that is, US -- who fill out even highly simplified forms incorrectly due to inattention, language barriers, and so forth) are involved in providing a given service.
Leta / December 4, 2009 at 12:35 pm
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You *do* know that it's illegal to take photographs in a government office without permission, don't you?
Jack / December 4, 2009 at 12:43 pm
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I tried the College Park office at lunchtime on a weekday. Big mistake, the place was packed.

I tried a Friday morning at 9:00 at 33 Victoria Street (near King station). I walked in and I walked right up to the counter to an available agent. 5 minutes in and out.

College Park is for suckers!
Arnie / December 4, 2009 at 12:46 pm
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The photo card has its advantages. I called, made an appointment and was in and out in 10 minutes. This was back in July. Last week my wallet was stolen. I went up to the desk - confirmed that my address was the same and the card was not expiring - they issued me a new card on the spot and gave me a temporary paper. I didn't even have to go up the counter. The lady said that if I had a red and white card I would've had to go to the counter and that if it's stolen or lost again, as long as the address is right and it's not expiring - i can just call and they'll send me a new one. As it was - last week took me all of THIRTY SECONDS to get my photo card re-issued.

Thanks to the nubian princess at the ticket counter. (Do you like a little cream in your coffee?) ;)
AV / December 4, 2009 at 02:13 pm
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Your first mistake was showing up around noon ya retard.
Carrie / December 4, 2009 at 04:12 pm
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I renewed mine today at College Park. I got there at 1:30pm and was out at 1:49pm. Not bad for a Friday lunch hour.
G1 / December 5, 2009 at 12:11 am
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Not sure if you knew this but part of the problem with the wait times was that the Centre was the only place open for G1 tests for 2.5 months. Currently its only now one of 6 in Ontario thanks to the Drivetest Strike.

As a 17 year who rode a bus from Orilla to get my G1, I didn't mind the wait at all. Most people seemed pleased. Thanks to ServiceOntario myself and 25 others got our G1's.

Furthermore it seems that most people who complain are the ones that come unprepared(Wrong ID)

As for Health Cards, Free Health care is such a pain...please. Take your horrible pop culture references and leave our beautiful country.
How Now replying to a comment from Lune / December 5, 2009 at 12:57 am
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What a pointless piece of drivel. I, too, recently got my DL and Health Card replaced at College Park and it took me 45 minutes and came with a smile, which I felt was pretty darn good.

What kind of bozo do you have to be to write an article complaining about the government and have 99% of your readers disagree with you?

As for the comment on the Health Card being easy to forge, that's not correct. The reason you can't use the Health Card as ID in many situations is, because, by law, only health care practitioners are allowed to collect personal information from the card, http://bit.ly/8cwTkz
turdsnot / December 5, 2009 at 10:00 pm
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I wonder how many Service Ontario employees posted a positive comment about the wait times.

There are lots of SO employees.

I know because I am one.
ProcessGeek / December 7, 2009 at 07:44 am
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Pikachiu 132 - I do the process thing too...for an area of government. Might be hiring soon...interested? Reply to my comment.

Re above notes: Some offices are busy...others aren't. Might want to consider that before showing up.
xwang / December 7, 2009 at 04:58 pm
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I renewed my driver license last Friday at Laurance/Kenndy center, The line is not such long, but the service is very very bad. A fat, old lady said I have to pay 82.50 to renew the licene, I ask why? She said your license will expire in Jan,2010, but your birthday is FEB, we want expand the expire date to your birthday, so you have to pay extra half year fee. I said you only expand one month, why charge 6 months fee. She refuse to explain to me, and call her manger. the manger is a youner lady (like a model), but even bad service, She come and said "I will never explain to customer anything my staff alread said" and back. I wonder how this kind of person be a manger ?
ProcessGeek replying to a comment from pikachiu132 / December 15, 2009 at 03:25 pm
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Totally agree! I do process in gov't and might be hiring...you interested?
Wait times replying to a comment from xwang / December 21, 2009 at 10:38 am
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RE: XWANG

You're a joke, posting things like "A fat, old lady" show just how classy you are. It seems like you were the problem.
Had you read your form you would've noticed the fee breakdown.

In the Dark / June 13, 2010 at 05:22 pm
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Can someone tell me which number it is you called to make these appointments that get you in and out in 10 minutes? I call the main Ministry of Health 1800-664-8988 number and it's a recorded infinity maze. I have no choice but to go to a service centre, after my GP's office said their computer tell them my red and white card is invalid. This was a shock since I've used it many since recently just prior to that app't. The Ministry recorgins don't offer a menu option for invalid cards, only lost or damaged etc. I want to know why it's suddenly invalid. Typical government.
In the Dark replying to a comment from Denise / June 13, 2010 at 05:26 pm
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Can someone tell me which number it is you called to make these appointments that get you in and out in 10 minutes? I caledl the main Ministry of Health 1800-664-8988 number and it's a recorded infinity maze.
Dan / September 3, 2010 at 03:53 am
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I dont know what you are talking about. It took me 15min to get the services I was looking for. Good to see government investing in something like ServiceOntario.
renci / August 12, 2011 at 09:38 pm
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unless you are the one sitting behind that wicket doing the work, you will not know that since the Driver and vehicle licensing office change to public Service Ontario, how much more work those staffs are doing! with the extended hours, the staffs are overworked!
JL / April 3, 2012 at 08:07 pm
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Okay, hopefully you guys can help me out. I read the article and comments; I have to exchange my license for an Ontario license. I'm wondering how long it takes after you go down there and sign all the papers and get your picture taken and pay the fee.

On the website it says something like 6-8 weeks, but I highly doubt it takes that long. How long, on average, have most of you waited to get your ON License in the mali? Thanks.
Edwin / April 26, 2012 at 04:45 pm
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Great article. I am about to go in and get my ohip card for the first time. Can't book an appointment online. You can only do so for renewals. Going in after work and preparing for a long wait. Thanks for the article though. I think its good to have a clear idea of what to expect.

I had a massive 1.5 hour wait just to get the SIN card, but that was down at the city hall.

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