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Service Ontario Waits Too Long
If there's one irrefutable fact about citizenship, it's that you will, at regular intervals, find yourself in a lineup, whether you drive, fish, shoot, fly, travel, get married, renovate the bathroom or plan on getting sick. It's the sort of mundane wisdom you can't help but reflect on when, for instance, you're sitting with a couple of hundred citizens in a Service Ontario office, glancing nervously at the numbers on an LCD sign and wondering if a bar code tattooed on your forehead at birth wouldn't be an awful lot more convenient.
I'm here because my friend wants someone to corroborate his recent, awful experiences renewing his health card and paying a fine - both at the pleasure of Service Ontario, the province's retail face. He wants to know if I have the same horrible, Kafkaesque ordeal, which requires me to find some facet of my life requiring bureaucratic overhaul. In essence, he's the test, I'm the control.
I settle on re-registering for my Health Card. I still have the red-and-white one I was issued decades ago, dirty and dog-eared from its long residence in a series of wallets; it still works, and has the added feature of never needing renewal, but the province would prefer if I'd upgrade to their picture ID with its shorter lifespan. It's something I might have put off indefinitely, but modern life seems to require increasingly verifiable proofs of identity - and more of them. A driver's license is the gold standard of official identification, but as a lifelong non-driver, I find myself too often provoking a dumbfounded glare from officials when I admit, sheepishly, that I don't have one.
And so I commit the better part of an unseasonably fine weekday to the machinery at Service Ontario's College Park facilities. I show up just before noon, assuming that most people can only afford to sacrifice their lunch hour to the process, and immediately get issued a number: D128. I glance around the room; by a rough count, there are at least 60 people sitting in chairs or squatting against the walls in the half of the room nearest the reception desk, and at least that many in the other half of the space.
The province's document-stampers are at work at a series of wickets covering three sides of the room, our chairs face them, and the barrier between us is demarcated by a series of red LCD signs flashing letters and numbers and arrows pointing to a wicket. I briefly spy "D103" on the sign as I look for a seat; a small sign by the reception helpfully informs me that the wait time is approximately 45 minutes. This doesn't seem that bad, and if I'm out of here in time, I have a completed passport renewal form in my bag that I might be able to push through at the offices down on Victoria Street. (It sounds ambitious, I know, but unfounded ambition has always been a character flaw of mine.)
I take a seat and ask the elderly couple behind me how long they've been there. Forty-five minutes, they say. I chuckle and tell them about the posted wait time, but they inform me that's for Health Cards - it's 2 ½ hours for driver's licenses, which is why they're there. A few seats away from them, a pretty girl with middle-eastern features is blank-faced while playing ferocious death metal on her iPod.
This is Toronto, so I know not to expect much in the way of camaraderie while waiting. The best way to describe the atmosphere is resigned; there's not much in the way of hardship - the room is bright and recently re-done in that ominpresent airport departure lounge style, with flat panel screens playing helpful messages about the bureaucratic process and (thankfully) no muzak, which would be pointless as a quarter of the room are sporting earbuds. Still, the joylessness is palpable. There's a persistent joke that it was lineups, not sclerotic politics or economic implosion, that did in the USSR, and while watching your day dissolve waiting for a form to be initialed, it's nearly plausible; no one enjoys assuming a supplicant attitude to their government. Whatever else might be at stake in the battle over socialized medicine in the U.S., there's no doubt that avoiding this - or more of this - is what its opponents want to avoid.
Almost everyone is killing time with their cell phones; just three people have newspapers, and only a couple are reading books. I see three families - just fathers, actually - with small children, all of whom are startlingly well-behaved. I try to read, but my eyes keeps cautiously lifting to check on the LCD sign; I see numbers prefixed with the letters B, C, G, J, K and L as well as D, and at one point spy both D114 and D123 displayed. Time, it seems, is going both forward and backward here.
I made sure that I was well-supplied before sitting down - I have magazines and a book, a bottle of water and a bag of peanuts, and the cell phone and Zune are both charged. After half an hour, though, my music choice - The Opiates by Thomas Feiner, a famously bleak, melancholy record - is infusing the wait with an almost Soviet despair, and search for something more upbeat. Paolo Conte manages to make the rest of my wait almost amusing.
I finally get my turn after nearly 90 minutes - not an unendurable wait, but a long lunch for someone with a real job. Outside I talk to Kate, who says she got out in about the same time, despite renewing her stolen Health Card and driver's license - a helpful official doing the former just put her back in the system for the latter, a tip worth remembering. She gratefully holds up her Blackberry and the copy of The Tipping Point that helped her kill the time. Walking out just after her, Frank tells me that he was only in there ten seconds - he came in to renew his fishing license and saw the lineup. "I'll do it online," he says.


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with all due respect, giving up your red and white health card was a stupid thing to do
I did both renewals recently and neither of them took more than 30 minutes.
Best experience of my life! Did the same when it was time to renew my daughter's card. again, under 10 minutes.
The Health card does not have a visible address, which the driver's licence does. No address, its not valid as id. Why no address? Privacy issues is the only reason I see.
Both cards should have organ donor information, but doesn't.
Ah, for the days when both were paper and no photos.
I like how you included what music you listened to..... I actually youtube'd Thomas Feiner The Opiates and Paolo Conte (I'm a nerd!). I could see how The Opiates would make the wait even more desperate. Nice article! I enjoyed it. :)
We've got it pretty good here.
Anyway - there will always be stories like this but perhaps they're not nearly as frequent as they used to be.
Go first thing on a weekday morning, and you'll be in and out in ten minutes.
Go around lunch, or during the after-work hours, and you'll be waiting. I recently had a lovely, mind-numbing 2 hour stay at Service Ontario @ College Park just to get a motorcycle license upgraded. (Literally two hours. For a very simple procedure that took literally 2 minutes. And yes, all my paperwork was in order.)
Have to agree with the majority here, though -- definitely a bad move to give up the red and white card.
<em>It took twenty-five minutes, tops.</em>
By far the smoothest "DMV"-type government office interaction I have ever had. As far as I could tell, the only way it could have been more efficient is if they had handled both at the same wicket and used the same photo instead of having me process each document at a separate station, but separate stations a queues are understandable.
For comparison, getting my passport in August wasn't quite as smooth... but only because the whiz kids who took and stamped my photo (not the gubmint, so not really their fault) placed it in their little envelope in such a way as to get ink from the stamp on one photo onto the front of the other photo. The helpful passport clerk spent quite a while buffing the ink stain off and ultimately everything was fine.
I live downtown but I went to Etobicoke to get them done, because I figured their lines would be shorter.
Here's where I went:
Health Card: Islington & Bloor Location 3300 Bloor St W Suite 142, right near Islington Station. Many people here did not have correct documentation. Remember a passport or Birth Certificate, the guy at the front seemed relieved that I had actually brought my passport and said "Great Job!", before getting screamed at by the lady behind me who forgot hers. Also don't fill out your forms in red ink or they'll make you fill them out again.
Driver's Licence: Kipling-Queensway Mall 1225 The Queensway. There was literally 1 person ahead of me in line here. I've been here a few times and it always seems to be empty. You can get there by taking the 44 Kipling South bus from Kipling Station or the 80 Queensway Bus.
as they are considered to be to easy to alter, or fake your identity.
i recently renewed my passport and it took all of 5 minutes, they sent me my new one in under 2 weeks...the government aint bad when you work with it.
nice writeup though, if a little off
as they are considered to be to easy to alter, or fake your identity.
But driver's license is not. It's so not fair - I don't have a driver's license, have to dig out my passport often.
As for Service Ontario, I waited 20 minutes at the most - and it was on Friday afternoon (busy time of the week). It used to be 1 hr+, I think the service improved much better.
The only thing they can do is focus efforts on doing things online, so to minimize the people that actually walk into the line up. There's no customer service satisfaction that needs improving here in their eyes; there's no competition, unless you move out of Ontario/Canada.
They need to look at why it takes so long to process certain things, and see if that can be decreased (i.e. pre filled forms, and proper information accessiblility). We are also a community of people who's first langugage is not English, and that probably adds to any confusion. Segregated lines for different services, proper training, and an incentive for the actual agents to process things quickly would probably improve things.
If you can't be bothered to get one, then don't complain about digging out a passport (which is what my boyfriend does0. Anyway, it's not like there's much of a difference in renewal times -- you have to renew a license as often as you need to get a new passport.
it's a pain in the ass to renew, long waits, disorganized staff on the phone (when i called to find out what i can bring as proof of identity since i too don't drive).
my daughter's renewal (she is 2 years old) came in 6 weeks before expiry, but it takes up to 6 weeks to renew. so no slack. she ended up missing a bunch of shots due to this, and we ended up waiting for her card for 3 months. there was a "mixup at the office and we still haven't processed it".
What you should've done with it is conclude it with the fact that if you show up at any of these government offices BEFORE 9am (as most of them open up at 8am or 8:30am) you will be in and out in less than 5 minutes, if that (including the walk up the stairs, through the door, getting your number, waiting, processing paperwork, signing stuff up and walking out the door).
I have had to wait for this b.s. for more than 5 minutes only once - the first time. It doesn't take much more than that to realize that later on in the day you show up, the more people will be queuing up, especially after lunch! All my health cards, drivers licenses, car paperwork, passports, even parking and traffic tickets - all done in less than 5 minutes if you follow that simple rule... wake the hell up earlier than everyone else! Geez...
But no, you failed to think about that concept, apparently.
Try waiting to get a visa for India or a residency card for Holland then we can talk about waiting too long.
Re: Lineups/wait times for renewals - Kiosks! They are a blessing.
http://www.lcbo.ca/socialresponsibility/byidcard_standard.shtml
1. I filled out my forms online, had my required ID, etc., etc. - still had 90 minute wait. Didn't know you could make appointments, though. Useful information. That's why we have a comments section, folks.
2. I could have gone earlier in the day, but unlike me, most people have jobs, so I thought I'd check out the ordeal at lunch hour, which is when working folks have a spare window of time
3. Didn't know that the photo ID Health Card wasn't valid ID until I got home, and was clued in by my wife. What can I say - damn. And I'm too old for the BYID card. Double damn.
4. From what I've read here, it's very much luck of the draw at Service Ontario, though from what I can tell my friend's experience was on the far end of the miserable scale, and I couldn't repeat his results, at least not on that day.
5. Sorry if this wasn't as dramatic as the Saigon airlift, but what can I say - this is a city blog, and stories like this are part of what living in a city (for good or bad) is all about. If you'd like, I'll order pizza next week and serialize it in 12 parts...
How many employees do they have doing the processing? (How many wickets open) How does their not-entirely-sequential numbering system actually work?
Otherwise all of this is just anecdotal.
And lastly, how about providing a listing of the services which can be done online or at a Service Ontario kiosk INSTEAD of at a Service Ontario service counter?
I believe after that fiasco legislation was passed banning the use of Health Cards as ID. The problem has all but disappeared now as any fake cards have long since expired, but the laws are still on the books. (If anybody remembers this let me know, I could just have a bad memory)
Some places will still take a Health Card, especially if you have corroborating photo id (ie: student card, expired licence), but it can be hit and miss. The main rule is they cannot ask you for your Health Card under any circumstances, you have to volunteer it.
Passports are going to have their expiry dates extended from 5 to 10 years in the near future, so non drivers over 35 may want to consider that.
Re: OHIP address: the newest version doesn't have an address on it- mine (Oct '08) doesn't. Perhaps it's privacy. I suspect it's so you dont' need to renew it if you move.
Sadly, I moved to Ontario too late to get the never-expiring version.
I went in for my M1 license and i was in and out within 25 minutes, which includes writing the exam and them checking it. Go early
I tried a Friday morning at 9:00 at 33 Victoria Street (near King station). I walked in and I walked right up to the counter to an available agent. 5 minutes in and out.
College Park is for suckers!
Thanks to the nubian princess at the ticket counter. (Do you like a little cream in your coffee?) ;)
As a 17 year who rode a bus from Orilla to get my G1, I didn't mind the wait at all. Most people seemed pleased. Thanks to ServiceOntario myself and 25 others got our G1's.
Furthermore it seems that most people who complain are the ones that come unprepared(Wrong ID)
As for Health Cards, Free Health care is such a pain...please. Take your horrible pop culture references and leave our beautiful country.
What kind of bozo do you have to be to write an article complaining about the government and have 99% of your readers disagree with you?
As for the comment on the Health Card being easy to forge, that's not correct. The reason you can't use the Health Card as ID in many situations is, because, by law, only health care practitioners are allowed to collect personal information from the card, http://bit.ly/8cwTkz
There are lots of SO employees.
I know because I am one.
Re above notes: Some offices are busy...others aren't. Might want to consider that before showing up.
You're a joke, posting things like "A fat, old lady" show just how classy you are. It seems like you were the problem.
Had you read your form you would've noticed the fee breakdown.
On the website it says something like 6-8 weeks, but I highly doubt it takes that long. How long, on average, have most of you waited to get your ON License in the mali? Thanks.
I had a massive 1.5 hour wait just to get the SIN card, but that was down at the city hall.