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Rolly's Garage Needs Help and Ossington Residents Need Sleep
Neighbours of Rolly's Garage, the mechanic shop turned arts venue on Lower Ossington, are in a bit of a quagmire. They like sleep. They also like art and the creative use of buildings.
"I think what's happening in the building is great... but sometimes the noise was totally unbearable," says one of Rolly's residential neighbours, who preferred to remain anonymous. "I called the police a few times because of it."
Another neighbour called a building inspector. The visit recently shut Rolly's bay door. Now Robin Lacambra is struggling to raise $100,000 to renovate the garage before it can open as a venue again. One of the renos includes soundproofing the building.
"I plead guilty as charged. But our intent was never to be a nuisance to the community," says Lacambra.
Last year, the 23 year-old decided to use her dad's garage to promote Toronto arts.
Rolly's became a creative hub for struggling and established artists. Sook-Yin Lee threw the after party for her TIFF directorial debut at the garage. A Toronto artist sold a piece to Adrian Grenier of HBO's Entourage stardom during a Rolly's exhibit. Day concerts for kids to enjoy live music and night markets inspired by Asian night bazaars became two staple events for the venue.
Lacambra says showcasing different arts and artists in an unpretentious space is the essence of Rolly's. I guess it's hard to feign pretension when you're standing on a grease-stained floor.
Lacambra dad's bought the building in 1986, the year Lacambra was born. She took over the garage when her father injured himself in a bike accident. He agreed Lacambra could use the space as long as she paid the rent.
"We're not a wealthy family. If I can't pay the rent, my dad's selling or leasing the place."
She just hosted a fundraiser last Saturday to raise rent money. To fund the renovations, most of her hopes hinge on winning the Aviva Community Fund competition.
Lacambra says it's a shame Rolly's shut down when it did. She started saving money for renovations and phased out concerts in favour of lower key events.
"I guess my realization was too little too late," says Lacambra.
But Rolly's isn't the only or main source of noise on Ossington, where clubs and bars sprouted like weeds over the last year. Maybe sleep is simply elusive for neighbourhood residents until the next trendy area comes along.
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Then hinges her hopes on winning a competition to pay for the renos? This isn't the f*cking Brady Bunch.
And then she wants us to help her pay for $100,000 in renovations?
How about a business plan? Let me guess: like, there isn't one - we like, just throw like, parties like, whenever.
"strong chance" of profitability?
Wow. Such a strong business plan.
I'm shocked a bank hasn't said here have a line of credit.
Don't get me wrong - I think it's an awesome idea for a venue. But it needs a better plan than no fu*king plan.
Thanks!
Hopefully it gets sorted so the venue gets to stay.
Dig up 100k @ age 23? Its called having a plan, which she obviously does not. Its one thing to want to be cool by opening up a gallery in a "innovative" space in an "trendy" (bordering douchey) area. Its another to try and run a real business like an adult.
a 23 year old taking a stab at establishing a grassroots focused art venue, especially in the screw-face capital of Canada, is a pretty legitimate endeavor. or maybe she should just open up a Starbucks or 7-11.
Why not vote for something like ThinkFirst's Give-a-Kid-a-Helmet campain, which has 1/3 of the votes but focuses on the prevention of accidental brain injury in kids?
A business plan that is fully dependant on winning a fund competition ranks just above relying on the lottery.
I was there once http://wp.me/pleZG-yb
Never been to a show where it was held at a garage.
Very cool and unique to have shows there.
What a shame.
I don't use the word "like" as punctuation.
I do have a business plan.
I do recognize that there are many noble causes to support through the Aviva campaign... Rolly's is categorized under "stimulate culture". Aviva has set up different "idea groups" so that it can be used as a platform to spread awareness about a multitude of community ideas. Rolly's isn't trying to take away for "kids-without-helmets"... but, like the category it is listed under, try to continue stimulating culture.
We were affording rent just fine before I had to let community of artists know that they could no longer use the space for their plays, book readings and art exhibits (as said in the article, I had stopped hosting concerts and parties after the TIFF weekend).
In my first year of business, yes I've made mistakes (who doesn't) but I've also accomplished many positive things as well... ask the artists that have reached milestones at the garage. (BEN ON: The artist who sold to Adrian Grenier goes by Tibi Tibi)
23 is young - but if you are dubious of my maturity, capabilities and good intentions, then I encourage you to have a conversation with me before making judgement. Being agist is not the wisest.
I could comment forever and it'll turn into a secondary article about me, Rolly's and "the plan". If that's what you want to hear, then a supplementary article should be put in order.
To the neighbours who've been compromised: I'm truly sorry and would love to make it up to you.
To the neighbours who've established open lines of communication with me - thank you for your tolerance & thank you for your ability to effectively communicate.
And, to the supporters of Rolly's Garage, thank you for your continued love, encouragement and positive presence. Our art space will be ours again.
i agree wholeheartedly with pffft, ben, DS, etc. the types of people who are involved in this situation are the same kids who have invaded williamsburg for the past 5 years. trust fund retards.
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Uh, no. They haven't "invaded" and they're not "trust fund retards". Lacambra's father owned the garage, dumbass.
They're just culturally active and aware people (we need those) who have a f*cking great idea but don't have a shred of a clue about how to make it come to life in a financially or logistically viable manner.
You need to grab a clue yourself or stfu.
Oh wizard of oz, have you even been to the garage?
If we were trust fund retards, our space wouldn't need saving.
Hopefully you can sort it out and make a go of whatever your plan is.
Would be nice to see it remain some kind of workshop, and not just another place for the beard-and-glasses set to bob heads to music.
Stephen Harper said it best " ordinary people don't care about arts funding."
Ritzy, artsy friends aren't cheap, go get a loan like everyone else.
If I was faced with a $100,000 reno to make my business work and had no money guess what I would do! Look for a location that is within my budget that does not require $100,000 in work. I know, that is not how the art crowd works, that is what we pay taxes for.
Art based initiatives and the benefits of cultural activism are now more pertinent than ever for the wider economy, the cultural sector and individuals.
Arts and culture make Toronto distinctive. They are a vital aspect of our economy – encouraging tourism, powering the creative industries and inspiring creativity and growth across the board.
I agree that there are just as many deserving causes out there, just stop underestimating, and under-minding the importance of this one.
Fundraisers are attended by those who believe. Causes are supported by those who believe in the cause. To each their own.
Folks, let's support legitimate arts organizations that have a proven track record. Let's not support those riding this trend wave.
It used to be a mechanic remember. The residents didn't move in to be beside a venue.
haha rant much clayjones?
I live in the neighbourhood (over on Beaconsfield, actually) and I've enjoyed a few Rolly-based events. A buddy of mine visited from Boston in the spring and was blown away when we walked up Ossington and were waved in, from across the street, to attend a CD launch party. He told me that Boston has nothing like Rolly's. For a cynical urbanite like me, it was a really unique and fun experience.
You'll always have detractors and people who will be more than happy to tell you that you can't do something, especially when they can hide behind screen names. Ignore them. They have nothing to say. Make your own way. I'm 36 now, a professional with a career, a closet full of tailored suits and a mortgage. When I think back to what I was doing at your age, it wasn't anything so courageous.
It's not everyday that you see someone with a strong and clear focused goal(setting up a place where the arts is both celebrated and encouraged, regardless of who you are, your background or what pack you run with), who is driven (countless parties to celebrate a variety of arts, music, culture and ideas, receiving nothing in return but hugs and kudos, the AVIVA fund community and the fundraisers)and lastly, who represents the very essence of INNOVATION!
I think the problem right now, is the complete lack of funding for the arts, thanks to our conservative Canadian government. If Stephen Harper placed more interest in the arts and how it can better our communities, maybe Robin wouldn't be looking at such a huge price to pay for renovations/soundproofing out of her own pocket. Perhaps Harper should re-evaluate Canadian priorities, where Rolly's is not seen as some "trendy venue" but rather a meeting place for bright-minded individuals, to share, create and inspire one another. I, for one, would rather my tax-paying dollars go towards fixing and maintaining Rolly's rather than see $1,335,342.37 go towards keeping some 15 year old Canadian kid out of his own country and in Guantanamo Bay.
To the wizard of ossington and AB, have you ever heard of the concept gentrification? I suggest consulting your dictionary.
I think before you make assumptions on business plans and other things - it would be fair to know the full story. You don't know what people go through unless you step in their shoes.
It's easy to pass judgement & criticize a play when you're sitting in the stands...but it's not so easy when you're in the game and got the ball in your hand.
Things don't always go as planned..but one thing you learn is how to NOT do that again next time around. And that means..you are now one step closer to succeeding.
Keep pursuing your dreams Robin!
Do Dat
http://www.dodat.com
(Did I get that right?)
HOW DARE THIS PERSON TRY TO DO SOMETHING!!! WHAT, SHE THINKS SHE"S BETTER THAN ME?! I HOPE SHE DIES IN A FIRE!!1!
(Did I get that right?)
Let's mix it up a little bit.
@Ratpick I totally lolled at "beard-and-glasses set".
I have a lot to say about your comment but will only respond to the part about locale...
I could leave the space and "Rolly's Garage" could exist elsewhere, but then it wouldn't be Rolly's Garage. The property has been owned by my father (Rollys) since 86, who immigrated here from the Philippines. Instead of him selling the garage, I wanted him/us to be part of the surprisingly small number of Filipino business property owners in the downtown core (despite our community being the 3rd largest demographic in this city).... and furthermore, continue his legacy in the space as he was forced into retirement.
The feeling of Rolly's Garage can't be duplicated anywhere else because of the history and emotional ties with the space.
And... I didn't go to art school.
Artists can also be academics.
There are a lot of hater comments here
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Uh, no.
There are no hater comments here (except for the wizard douchebag of ossington). I only see people wishing the Rolly's people had their shit together to make a great idea work. Because it's clear the Rolly's people clearly don't have their shit together so far: having a fundraiser to help pay the rent is proof of that. Counting on winning funding from a contest is proof of that.
But now maybe (hopefully) they have done their homework.
What an inspiring and creative way to turn the most mundane of urban landmarks into something our city so desperately needs ... character. It's so pathetic that people move to the neighborhood from the burbs because it's "cool" or "quirky" and then complain when the place behaves in the manner that attracted you there in the first place.
Where do I send my cheque?
I would like to thank everyone who commented on this article, as it is opening a very interesting debate between people who now have the opportunity to discuss this topic democratically. (Please excuse my "not so skilled" English, as it is my second language)
I'd like to kindly raise the question :"What makes any part of any city, into a community-oriented neighborhood?" What is the difference between a residential area, that has no sense of belonging, and one in which we genuinely want to partake in, work towards greater achievements together as a team?
Rollys Garage represents a "space" and opportunity for not only youth, artists and musicians to regroup, discuss work in progress, and join forces against a sometimes quite-oppressing attempt from societal structure and close-minded Harper-like laws and restrictions; but also just a cozy, unapologetic, straight-forward "spot on a map" where you know yo can go have a peep, if you're walking around, being a tourist, or a local, and interact with like-minded individuals, see what's happening, and perhaps, discover a new band, painter, clothing designer, etc... that you would have never heard of otherwise.
To the parents out there : Wouldn't you rather knowing that your teenage son/daughter is learning how to make hand-puppets and listening to spoken-word around a table, at Rollys, with productive, positive young individuals, than hanging out and drinking in some bar or, throwing rocks at windows in some dark alley due to serious boredom, and lack of ideas as to what to do? Maybe we can think of Rollys as some sort of hip version of a community center of the arts!
Now I know it's difficult sometimes to understand new things, with concepts we aren't familiar with, but these are new times, the world is becoming a tougher and tougher place, and while so many aspects of day to day life fit into society's mold of money-making competitive schemes, maybe it is hard for some, to grasp that a young entrepreneur, such as Robin Lacambra, may just be in it, for the right reasons. Robin's heart is in the right place. What about yours? Robin's intent lies within helping to build and maintain a solid, community-based and oriented, family-type-feel, between neighbors, artists, musicians and anybody else who has a good idea and wants to make it happen; yet just needs a bit of loving and support.
Can anybody name an artist who, from the first day on, was a success? I think we all know deep in our hearts, that the running gag, about "starving artists" has an unfortunately high percentage of truth to it. And here we have a young girl, dedicating years already, to create this nest, and reach out to peers, promote art.
So, to all the people who took the time to write something here, may I suggest that if you want something to change, happen or better itself in whatever way you see fit, I would recommend lending out a helping hand, words of wisdom, a loving piece of advice; instead of pointing the finger and complaining, which, surely will help you in the long run, in achieving better results!
For example : in lieu of :"She obviously doesn't have a business plan.", perhaps :"Hey Robin, do you have a business plan?" or "If you need any help with writing out a proper business plan, so and so association could be of assistance, here are the links ..."
Whatever happened to helping youth start businesses? Or helping youth find/create somewhere they feel comfortable in sharing their ideas with others? Or, believing that a very young entrepreneur can and will learn from mistakes, experience, and advice, and rise up to the occasion, with the support of her peers, be it her community, family, friends, Aviva, fundraisers, etc...?
Thanks for reading. Long live art and those who have true love for it.
"Lacambra's father owned the garage, dumbass." <<< please explain the difference between this and a trust fund.
Let's look at Toronto Culture for a second:
Toronto has become the entertainment capital of Canada... quite easily. Not only this, but the mix of young entrepreneurs arising out of this city are not only doing things for the money like the last couple of generations, but because they actually love the culture and want to see it grow.
Mistaking something such as this venue as a fad is mainly stating that there is no room for growth, which there is. Not only that, but why would one want to discourage anyone from doing something special such as this? Could it be that their past projects were epic failures?
Marinate on that for a sec
It's motivating to see that there are a lot of things that could be said by a lot of people regarding Rolly's intent and its community.
For the record... Wizard of Ossington, I have a job. I work really hard. I suggest you not continue to make uniformed bold statements.
I didn't think you were suggesting that you wanted to have fundraisers to pay your rent. It sounds like you can't pay your rent because your business is closed, and you're looking at having fundraisers to do the work that needs to be done to open again. I have NO problem with that.
It seems you have a talent for organizing events. I don't know how these things work. Is it possible to rent another venue, and throw an event, and charge a cover for it? I think DJs do this, don't they? Or get one of them to sponsor an event for you or something. Like get a space, get a DJ, have an event, charge $25 or something and advertise it heavily. Maybe you don't need to bill it as "fundraising," maybe it's a matter of figuring out how to do the same sort of business another way, to make some money to open your own space again.
Anyway, all the best to you!
Big-up Rola!
I realize that you are listed under another category as the example I gave, but frankly, if you win $100,000 to finance the . Which is probably fine for you and a bunch of others, but it's not to me. I was just giving my opinion. I wouldn't even be against it if Rolly's was a registered not-for-profit, but it's a place of business.
Further, checking the rules of the Aviva Community Fund, they clearly state:
"Your idea has to take place within Canada, and should not require access to private property in order to be implemented"
As far as I know, Rolly's is private property, yes? I think that means that you're not eligible to receive money from the fund.
It also says:
"Your idea can't include any mention of any specific individual, company, brands, or products. (Our goal is to avoid transparent attempts to exploit this website for commercial purposes. Mentioning either your affiliation to an idea, or an idea beneficiary, like a school, not-for-profit, charitable or similar organization, is fine by us. However, Aviva reserves the sole right to remove any images or media, or moderate an idea, that, in its sole discretion, represents promotion that goes against the spirit of the competition.)"
I'm not meaning to defer attention from a locally-owned business that needs help. I just don't think the Community Fund is the way to get money, especially since there are lots of charities and non-profits that really have no other way of getting the money.
Robin:
I realize that you are listed under another category as the example I gave, but frankly, if you win $100,000 to finance the project, that's $100,000 not going to other places. Which is probably fine for you and a bunch of others, but it's not to me. I was just giving my opinion. I wouldn't even be against it if Rolly's was a registered not-for-profit, but it's a place of business.
Further, checking the rules of the Aviva Community Fund, they clearly state:
"Your idea has to take place within Canada, and should not require access to private property in order to be implemented"
As far as I know, Rolly's is private property, yes? I think that means that you're not eligible to receive money from the fund.
It also says:
"Your idea can't include any mention of any specific individual, company, brands, or products. (Our goal is to avoid transparent attempts to exploit this website for commercial purposes. Mentioning either your affiliation to an idea, or an idea beneficiary, like a school, not-for-profit, charitable or similar organization, is fine by us. However, Aviva reserves the sole right to remove any images or media, or moderate an idea, that, in its sole discretion, represents promotion that goes against the spirit of the competition.)"
I'm not meaning to defer attention from a locally-owned business that needs help. I just don't think the Community Fund is the way to get money, especially since there are lots of charities and non-profits that really have no other way of getting the money.
I don't get it,
WHY WOULD AN ART SHOW BE LOUD???
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But again, make yourself into a business! Don't think of this is a charity, and don't be afraid of doing business. You can do it ethically and soundly, and you can funnel the money right back into doing the things that matter.
Ok, so no more BS. Rolly's is a constant nuisance with all the noise they make. Sure, they may have hand painting and mud pie making classes during the day (I guess this is what Torontonians think is art?), but it's at night that's the problem.
This place is a frat house and nothing more.
Shame on you, Rolly's, for expecting a hand out. Is this what Canada's immigration policy come to?!
According to the story, the building wasn't up to code to hold the sort of events being held. Plain and simple. It could have been a
Candy Store and it would have been shut down.
I'm sure the residents would have called the building inspector on this place had it been a candy store.
What the heck does Omar Khadr have to do with someone wanting to turn their dad's garage into a Gallery/Club with no money?
TO MORBO,
Why not buy all 3-4 or 5 houses from the current owners. They would not cost much ,maybe $400-500,000 each. Then you can pound the music all night. I have lived above a "space" that turned into a bar while I was living there, not something I would wish on anyone. Funny you bring up selfishness when people want to sleep at night in the house they have been living in for years. Shortsightedness is opening a business with no money or plan.
To ROBIN,
Feel free to comment on anything I said in my last post. I respect your drive and to keep the garage in the family. Like I said in the last post, the real world sucks. I had to move 2oo Km from my family to make a living, so not everyone gets to eat cake all the time. Your mention of the history and emotional ties with the space I can relate to, but it is relevant only to you, not those who you are asking to pay your rent.
Your pulling of the race card was nice. I guess you are not to close to your Philippino community, I have seen so many Philippino based business' opening in the last few years, not in cool trendy areas though. I also assume they had money to open the business BEFORE they opened! Opening a business is a lot of work. It sounds like you did not have the proper inspections or licenses when you opened. If everyone opened what ever they wanted, where ever they wanted we would have strip joints all over the city.
I am not saying that you shouldn't go ahead with your venture, you just need to get a plan together. If you can't afford this "space" it may be time for your dad to rent it out until you can afford it. You are putting the wagon ahead of the horse. You seem to have a lot of support here, so it must be a good idea. If the Art community wants a place like this go for it, get some financial support from them.
Best of luck, Robin. Pls stay.
What is relevant is that it appears that the inspection did not go well... which means something wasn't safe, legal or up to code.
Oh yeah - no need to remind me of the AGO.I spend way too many hours in there, as is. My mama be curating that space.
Anyhow, I think people on here are now just arguing for the sake of arguing when it would be fine to just agree to disagree and move on. Power to the people! Power to Rolly's! Keep fighting Robin, you make me proud and as your friend Colanthony reminded us all: "A hater is supposed to hate. Cuz when a nigga be doin' somethin good they can't stand it!"
There's probably not a building, venue, restaurant or washroom in the city which wouldn't fail such an inspection at some moment in time.
Could be a case or city inspectors justifying themselves by appearing to appeal to neighbourhood sentiment.
As someone who lives on Ossington, I couldn't be happier that this is shut down. I am overjoyed. Thrilled! Nobody has attracted a more publicly disturbing crowd since the invention of punk rock.
Please sell or lease this shitty garage to a fair priced organic grocery store or any type of DAYTIME business.
The kid is NOT guilty, he is 15 years old and is currently stuck in Guantanamo Bay because of a crime he did not commit, but CANADA is spending over a million dollars to keep him there, instead of letting him come home? Can I ask you, where is the sense in that?
UNICEF, Amnesty International and dozens of other humanitarian organizations have all encouraged the OUR Canadian government to seek extradition or repatriation for this poor human being, but with no such luck.
So you're telling me I'm a racist because I want this 15 year old to be allowed back into Toronto, into his home? And I would rather the Canadian government spend their money on public/private arts funding and a MILLION of other worthy causes as opposed to spending money to keep a CHILD in some detainment center in Cuba because they don't want him here?!
I'm not really sure if you understand the significant weight of the ideas you just expressed. If you do, I'm deeply troubled.
I understand the noise thing but to criticize a young passionate woman for doing what she does best and WANTS TO DO because of her age is shameful. God forbid there would be a little room for the arts in such a big city like Toronto.
Robin baby i love you keep on fighting the good fight. I vote every day with both of my e-mail addresses.
To all the haters: get out more.
There's nothing wrong with trying to create an interesting community space. Noise drives me crazy as well...but...honestly? Living in a big city like Toronto is noisy. VERY noisy. *Shrug*
(2) Hey artists, isn't it about time we stop asking daddy government to let us do art? Either do-it-yourself or create a business plan with private investors and create a business that operates as a partnership shared between artist and board of directors, etc.
(3) In which ways would Rolly's Garage improve culture or community in importantly different ways than any other artspace, gallery, or concert venue. Or, for that matter, bars, restaurants, social clubs, country clubs, or any other gathering place where people who are not related 'hang out'?
(4) Whether culture and community are enriched through Rolly's is a consequence, a side-note. The fact is, Rolly's is a business, that seeks to earn capital by producing (shows) and selling (art). Whether a group of young kids identify with this space as being a cultural landmark is happenstance, it's not central.
As humans we judge what we don't know...we jus can't help it i guess...
For the people stating that Robin shouldn't do this because other charities need funding...WORRY ABOUT YOU AND SHE'LL WORRY ABOUT HER. Robin is the most caring person in the world and instead of hating WHY NOT FIND OUT HOW YOUR CHARITY CAN WORK WITH ROLLY'S TO CREATE A A BEAUTIFUL FUNDRAISER...the whole point of funding is to bring communities together and i feel Rolly's is the perfect candidate for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
everyone does what they have to do to get by...Robin is doing it her way...HER (emphasis on HER) WAY!!! if you have an issue...DO IT YOU WAY...
lets grow up and love...lol :)
LOVE YOU ROBIN, U TALENTED 23 YR OLD!!!!! REACH FOR THE STARS..."if u have 14 haters find out how u can get 16 by the summer"--- K.Williams
positive thinking 1 ...negativity 0
lol. wow.
No. She decided to throw the "N" word into her post. Not me.
p.s. I'm of more ethnicity then you can count on two hands and my wife is West indian. Boy you've got me pegged!
Robin, if your friends are any sort of standard on what we can expect from your venue. I hope to god, for the sake of this city, province/country it's sold and turned into a Starbucks.
really and trully, go spend time with your wife instead of bashing a 23yr old's dream...really?!?!
and this goes out to anyone bashing...grown up and find something to do!
:P
do you know if she works or not???
dont judge what u dont know! so ignorant u are, not a good look!
As Robin states: "So me, having no money myself, lined up a few potential investors and grudgingly went to my dad with a business plan in hand, money that wasn’t mine, and an idea for a venue that would potentially be taken out of my control because of the people with money involved." Here's the source: http://www.shedoesthecity.com/nightlife/profile/rollys_garage
Bottom line: Robin doesn't have money. And, even if she does raise $100K, the money will all be wasted away. Just look at what she did with all the money she got from investors in 2008: she squandered it all away.
Before the Drake was reno'd, you had pros and crackheads trolling Queen St., now you have drunk kids talking loudly at night and line-ups on the sidewalk outside the Great Hall. Some residents are complaining about these things and to them I say, "Have you forgotten? Do you even know what it was like before?"
You have to take the good with the bad. You have to be flexible. Since only a few people could possibly be affected by noise pollution coming from Rolly's even with the doors open, if they can't hack it, they should cash in their big, fat capital gains and buy something quieter, further down the street or out in the 'burbs. Of course, it would be easier to just be a little flexible and work with Rolly's to solve the noise issue.
Blog moderator, please enforce some moderation. esp regarding anything racist... really, racism? Still? in Toronto? Yikes.
And Mad Max, I'm sorry you're so mad. I didn't accept the investor money after my dad decided to rent the garage to me, instead of selling it to the investors via me. Read the article again.
I appreciate all of the constructive advice/ideas stated here.
I'm saddened by those who are using this a venue for misappropriated angst and unhappiness.
Thanks for the support, and for the non supporters - thanks for the buzz, you're incessant buzzing is waking up more supporters. Much love and luck to all.
Amy, Omar Khadr is 23 years old not 15.
AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE - keep talking about us -
but here now,i will be out of the city from tomorrow till tuesday but if you want to face the world of open and effective communication, where no judging occurs and everyone is given a chance to express freely, come by the garage and i will most graciously listen to what you have to say and we can start a real dialog, adult to adult.
the thing about internet communication is this - everyone is just hiding behind something -
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much love to all the people who have taken the time to invest in this article, in rolly's garage, in robin, and in myself -
Rolly's Garage will forever live on, it's form may change one day but it's progressive intentions will last forever.
Big ups to anyone who has ever taken a chance and hands on the shoulders to those that aren't brave enough yet.
p.s. this message is a general message, not geared to an individual or a group -
info@rollysgarage.com - it's the only way.
Assuming your dad owns the property (land & bldg), ask the bank to loan you the 100K after presenting your business plan (for repayment) and use the property as collateral for the loan.
Convincing your pops to use the property as collateral may be the tricky part.
Good luck!
I think she oversteps when she says he's "NOT guilty", as he hasn't yet been tried. Having said this, there is at least credible doubt that he is responsible for the aforementioned killing. Perhaps even more important is that Khadr is being treated as an "unlawful enemy combatant" instead of a child soldier. Many argue that this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and other international law. As a child soldier, Khadr would be treated very differently than he will be as an "unlawful enemy combatant".
Moreover, Canada is the only Western nation which has thus far refused to request extradition of its citizens (viz Khadr) detained at Guantanamo. The Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeals have both ruled that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms requires the federal government to request extradition of Khadr, but the government has instead chosen to appeal those orders to the Supreme Court, which will hear this motion on November 13, in two days.
The latest polls I have seen show that despite Khadr not being a sympathetic case, largely because of his family, 64% of Canadians support the call for Omar Khadr's extradition from Gitmo.
However, this thread is about Rolly's on Ossington. It is not about Khadr or who is or is not racist, so please keep your discussion on topic.
There is a common misconception that Ossington was a wasteland - it wasn't. You can't expect a neighbourhood to relocate because a bunch of people decide it's the new hotspot.
Well good luck on the fund raising. 100k may seem big but I've seen project costing to up millions funded by charity and *wink* sponsorship.
oh and GO ROLLY'S!!! Truly a special place, sending out the love vibes.
P.S. if your going to name yourself the "wizard" of anything, namely the street you live on, at least post something credible and not something so stupid.
"the garage-of-wonders has haters who sealed up the loopholes that were keeping the garage going for the time being."
You open up a pseudo night club/art space in a location that was a daytime business knowing full well that you are flaunting the by-laws and you wonder why you have angry neighbours? No wonder there is a moratorium on new clubs on Ossington.
Or, you know, get a loan for your poorly planned venture.
I'm sure there are lots of art galleries/venues in Toronto struggling in this economy WITH viable business plans and funding... what makes Rolly's deserving of a handout when everyone else is forced to compete in the freemarket? They should stop looking for pity and start looking for financing.
Judging by the responses from supporters in this thread, towards people IN the COMMUNITY that you supposedly give priority and care to, the above statement is a load of politically driven BS.
They are doing what they need to do, so go on with your life and worry about yourself and your responsibiliteis.
People, if you're not with the idea THEN DON'T VOTE FOR IT...THAT'S IT!!!!
just grow up and worry about yourself not Rolly's business plan. use all that negative energy to fight something that YOU can actually control, cause that's what the ladies of Rolly's are doing.
effin idiots...sorry to call names but thats what you negative people are...grow th "F" up and stop crying...SHIT!
It's unclear to me if Rolly's intends to be a for-profit business or a non-profit arts org. Since they are asking for 'donations' and running 'fundraisers', I would certainly hope it's the latter.
2. This (comment section) is a representation of your community (whether you like that or not) and is speaking out against you, for the most part.
There are malicious comments yes, but for the most part people are saying that they don't want this in their community or have funding which could go to other things in their community go to this.
The only "community" I think you're referring to is your clique of friends. That is not a community or "the community".
So saying that you give utmost concern to your community isn't quite true, when the community has made it pretty clear how they feel about Rolly's.
Attacking people in your community who are opposed, also 100% proves my point.
If you want the community to support you, you should learn to talk with your community members, instead of spam attacking their websites (are you guys from 4/chan?) and personally attacking people who disagree with you.
I like many people in your community would have no problem vocalizing this to you IRL, however I digress, this is medium in which we ALL chose to speak about this issue. Therefore it's quite a moot point on your part.
Tens of millions of dollars have poured into this community. On Beaconsfield, Argyle, Lisgar the downtown professionals with six figure salaries, bimmers and Bugaboo strollers are pushing out the old Portuguese families who have lived here for decades. My house sold for $60k in the 70's. It's worth over $600k now. This transformation started with the Drake and continues with the conversion of a garage into an art space. Don't kid yourself.
I think it's pretty shortsighted for the three to five people who can hear noise coming from Rolly's to pretend that their property values have not been inflated because of such initiatives.
2. I don't know Robin from Adam.
3. I like what Robin is trying to do with Rolly's. She does need to address some issues, but that can happen within a constructive conversation.
4. Your logic leaves much to be desired. You say that a) the community has spoken out against Rolly's; and, b) that the comments on this board represent the community. Not only do I count many supportive comments on this board, but there is no way to tell, unless people self-identify, whether the commenters on this board are even from Ossingston/Queen W. community. BlogTO has an active readership who frequently comment on stories of interest. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people commenting on this story do not live in the area. Some people from the community clearly do support what Robin is trying to do, even if some do not. I would submit that the ones who do not are in the minority, based on the number of people who could possibly be viscerally affected by anything going on at Rolly's at any time of the day.
5. You chastise Andatron for his/her ad hominem attacks, when that is precisely what you have been doing, i.e. asking if Amy was human.
6. Keven, you seem angry and small-minded. Your comments on this board are inflammatory and make you sound like a douche. Are you angry, Keven? Or are you small-minded? I recognize the latter question might be difficult for you to recognize on your own, maybe you could ask your wife. I'm not being facetious.
I also don't understand this "noise" issue - there are what 10 bars along that strip - yet you want to worry about an art space? I just don't get it.
If you don't like the noise...move to Brampton
Ok residents so what would you propose? ITS THE NATURE OF GROWTH OF A CITY. What would you rather have? Abandon storefront for druggy sludge? A McDonald's? A bougie furniture store? What? What? Oh I guess all of those things make noise.
Perhaps if these 'neighbours' actually came out of their caves and had a discussion with the community that they reside in, they'd be able to get a different perspective on what's actually going on, and the same back to Rolly's organizers.
Robin- Keep up the great work, your NightMarket idea was such a great idea!
You compare real estate prices from the 70's to the present, are you saying that Rolly's is the cause of inflation as well.
So you think that people should sell their right to sleep for the sake of property value? Give your head a shake. If this was your house next door you would be crying like a baby.
The area was not "cool" and "hip" before, but it was hardly a ghost town either. So don't think a bunch of cool hip kids that wanna be cool "made" this street what it is. Ossington was there before you were born and it has always had a unique charm to it. To those that are stereotyping the locals as Portuguese Pigs/Slobs what have you, don't try and tell me you respect "the community" You respect your Art Community and the free loading/mooching that goes with it.
Like everyone said, the big issue is relying on funding that could be better spent elsewhere. If you all want to build a club house go to it. Kick it old school like when you wanted to build a tree fort with your friends. If you are all contributing to society and have jobs other than "making your art" you should be able to help out and raise the funds needed.
If you have any skill, maybe you can all chip in and grab some tools, do the work yourself. There are many options, many have been suggested, but it is bit tougher than just sitting back and waiting for a hand out. If you want something work for it.
I know you all hate Stephen Harper and want him to fund the arts more, but you are also likely to have been in the "protest against everything" that the students threw last week. So another lesson on life for the sheltered; There is only so much money to go around. If you want your foreign student friends to get free health care, than expect to give up some of your own. If you want tuition lowered, expect less from your school and more user fees. If you want to have pay equity compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges and you will see it.
Life is tough, get used to it.
You all sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats that has always had what you want. So no one is allowed to have an opinion other than pro Rolly, "if you are not with us you are against us" NO, we just don't think you should take money that is better spent on better causes.
You selfish, immature pricks.
"Rolly’s has hosted such a wide array of creative events, ranging from art exhibitions to plays and crazy parties, giving artists of all kinds a safe space to realize their dreams, adding to the diverse cultural fabric of Toronto."
Crazy Parties eh??
How many Booze Cans have you been to that are art galleries during the day??? Gotta have a front right! I can tell you that there are many, one is temporarily closed!
How many Booze Cans have you been to that are Garages during the day?? Sounds safe doesn't it. I wonder why more Garage owners are not jumping on board this train.
Tiff and I would love to meet you and your partner... maybe a friendly neighbour chat over coffee?
JM, thank you for voting!
Morbo, thank you for your support.
And the rest of the supporters, a huge thanks for speaking up against the negativity. Goodness, doesn't it feel better to love than to hate?
We are always interested in engaging in mature dialogue, receiving constructive criticism, meeting our neighbours, and putting faces to those who support - and even those that don't as hatred is often born out of fear, which is the born out of not-knowing... so meet us in person and allow us to inform you and maybe you will have a change of heart.
Please email us or visit (though, now that the doors are closed, we're rarely there so email us first.)
Much love... especially to those that don't love back.