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Does this Zombie Costume Cross the Line?

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / October 28, 2009

toronto zombie walk photosToronto is obsessed with zombies. There's no denying that. But while perusing the blogTO Flickr pool (which has lots of great photos, like the one above, from this week's 2009 Toronto Zombie Walk), I came across a particularly graphic one...

A zombie doctor and zombie patient, complete with a bloody baby being dragged on the ground... hanging by its umbilical cord.

It got me wondering if this zombie costume concept crosses the line or not. I know "the line" is highly subjective. What's your take?

WARNING: The following photo may or may not be safe for work (depends on your circumstances). Although it's merely an elaborate costume, it is very graphic and may be disturbing to some viewers.

toronto zombie walk


Are there no boundaries when we portray the undead?

Lead photo by Pebbz.
Zombie birthing photo by eudalmon.

Discussion

111 Comments

DjDATZ / October 28, 2009 at 01:40 pm
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You're welcome. :D http://twitter.com/DjDATZ/status/5232985409

I don't think it does. It's pretty ingenious if you ask me... LOL
John Henry / October 28, 2009 at 01:41 pm
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Wow that is frigin awesome!
Jerrold replying to a comment from DjDATZ / October 28, 2009 at 01:48 pm
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For the record, I didn't see your Tweet. Photo is in our pool. Next time, please shoot us a Twitter DM or drop us a <a href="http://www.blogto.com/contact/?news-tip";>news tip</a> & we'll get it up quicker & give you a nod for the find! :)
Zombieman / October 28, 2009 at 01:48 pm
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Rule # 40: There are no rules in Zombieland.
DjDATZ replying to a comment from Jerrold / October 28, 2009 at 01:49 pm
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My bad! I thought you saw my tweet. :D Will do next time. Feel free to edit that chunk out if you want.
gross zombies r cool / October 28, 2009 at 01:51 pm
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IMHO there is no such this as a too offensive zombie costume. The only thing that would have made this better was if it was a mangled aborted fetus.
AM / October 28, 2009 at 01:56 pm
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Zombies are people too. They should have the right to choose whether or not they want to abort their babies or eat them.
Elvedin / October 28, 2009 at 02:02 pm
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Does being offended by the dead baby and not the dead adult constitute ageism?
Toni / October 28, 2009 at 02:04 pm
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Actually, at some point during the parade (intentionally or not) there was also a zombie walking a dog right behind the above pair... and the dog was trying to bite the 'baby'... Tasteless? Maybe, but I know I laughed.
Mark replying to a comment from Toni / October 28, 2009 at 02:05 pm
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Yup. It was the funniest thing I saw all day.
Jerrold replying to a comment from Toni / October 28, 2009 at 02:13 pm
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Maybe it was <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chewie007/4051920045/in/pool-blogto";>this dog</a>?
Hamish Grant / October 28, 2009 at 02:15 pm
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This isn't offensive to me. It *might* have been offensive if the zombie mother had been holding the baby (still attached to the umbilical cord) sucking on a straw trepanned in the baby's skull.

On the other hand, maybe not and I'd think it was COOL!

Nancy Crozier / October 28, 2009 at 02:22 pm
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Perhaps "offend" isn't the right word, that since that I think that implies causing feelings of displeasure, anger, resentment, etc. If you ask me if it "distresses" me, I can say without any doubt - yes.
CP / October 28, 2009 at 02:24 pm
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Who cares? Zombie walks so incredibly fucking lame.... srsly
Picard102 / October 28, 2009 at 02:39 pm
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There is no line to cross.
Mike W replying to a comment from CP / October 28, 2009 at 02:47 pm
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Jer / October 28, 2009 at 02:59 pm
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That's hillarious!
Roger replying to a comment from Toni / October 28, 2009 at 03:20 pm
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<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wordfreak/4053025081/"; target="_blank">that</a> was no dog.
brah / October 28, 2009 at 03:23 pm
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It's alright in my books I suppose. What I do think is crossing the line are zombies who ended up walking into a funeral home during a funeral service at last years zombie walk.
Hamish Grant / October 28, 2009 at 03:43 pm
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They were trying to get a refund!

On the other hand, I've always found it kind of unfortunate/amusing that the Funeral Home itself is across the street from Toronto Western. Also wondered if they have an underground tunnel from the morgue...
TO Snob / October 28, 2009 at 04:40 pm
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No. But I saw a teenager on the streetcar the other night in a "zombie" costume that made him look like a retarded guy in black face.

He crossed the line without even knowing it.
mr hate / October 28, 2009 at 04:51 pm
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You're out in public and children can see you?

Yeah it crosses the line.

Zombie doctor and patient are assholes.
anonymous / October 28, 2009 at 04:58 pm
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Was that particular costume so necessary to have a good time?
I think it's tasteless, but some people are just that.
In a private situation, whatever and to each their own. But out and about around the city in daylight? The owner of the costume should have thought twice about it.
Confused / October 28, 2009 at 05:12 pm
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I just don't understand the costume, frankly. Was the woman delivering the baby at the precise moment she turned? Seems dumb.

While I sympathize with the bad-taste-in-public comment and personally don't find the fetus thing amusing, I believe more strongly in freedom of expression. If you are concerned about what your kids might see, I think it would be good advice to keep them away from zombie walks, period. Who wants their kids watching that kind of grossness?
Kelly / October 28, 2009 at 05:29 pm
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I vote awesome.
Corina / October 28, 2009 at 05:54 pm
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This photo is why I love Toronto....

This post is why I do not. It shouldn't really be necessary to debate our freedoms.

Having said that, it is interesting to generate a discussion around it :)

Hooray for highlighting offensive humour!
chephy / October 28, 2009 at 06:13 pm
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One of the biggest weaknesses of the modern North American society is the ridiculous out-of-proportion fear of offending somebody. Anybody. By anything. That's why I really appreciate it when someone dares to cross "the lines" that some overly sensitive types have connected to form a tiny polygon (in case of Zombie walks probably a pentagramm) within which we're supposed to be constrained. Take one step away from any ultra-PC stance on any notion and you're bound to be "crossing lines". George Orwell, anyone?..
Spencer / October 28, 2009 at 07:56 pm
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If the baby had a coat hanger sticking out of it, that might be crossing the line. Is making a comment like that crossing the line?
Alex / October 28, 2009 at 07:58 pm
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Next year they should definitely use a battery operated doll that can walk. Undead, and all that.

Jeremy replying to a comment from Toni / October 28, 2009 at 08:10 pm
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Tasteless? I thought babies tasted like chicken.
Robert replying to a comment from CP / October 28, 2009 at 08:11 pm
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Typing "srsly" in a comment is lame. Seriously.
morga / October 28, 2009 at 08:13 pm
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nope no boundaries, just plain fun, sick of people being offended.
conscious / October 28, 2009 at 08:52 pm
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What'd you expect, zombies to be pro-life?
Kyle / October 28, 2009 at 09:28 pm
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refuckinglax it's a costume I think people can wear what ever they want whether someone complains about it or not. It's all in fun I'm sure the person wearing it wanted to be controversial not offensive.
Oileanach replying to a comment from conscious / October 28, 2009 at 09:32 pm
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... and we have the best comment in the thread winner!
Nice!
Lune / October 28, 2009 at 10:01 pm
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I don't do zombie because I don't feel "dead people" are funny, but I'm not so concerned if what others do crosses the line or not ... they are pretty harmless.
SYSS Mouse replying to a comment from Toni / October 28, 2009 at 10:19 pm
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A dog would not know whether it is real unless it smelled on it.
Ed209 / October 28, 2009 at 11:17 pm
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I don't really see why this would be any more offensive, or rather, distressing (I completely aggree with this distinction, Nancy), than any of the other zombie costumes. If you think that the baby is a person, then it's just as dead/undead as everyone else, and therefore just as offensive/distressing. If it isn't, then it's just a thing, an innanimate object, and therefore no more offensive than tying a frisbee or a typewriter to your crotch. But I agree that I don't really get it- are they both zombies? Did she die during childbirth? Is the fetus stillborn? What's the sequence of events here? Is this just totally over-thinking it?
Miss Annya / October 29, 2009 at 12:52 am
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That is super funny
dk / October 29, 2009 at 01:39 am
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That is a really awesome zombie get-up.

Come on people lighten up... Jeez.
Iluvzombies / October 29, 2009 at 06:21 am
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I really loved this costume, i thought it was awesome!
pro-zombie / October 29, 2009 at 08:02 am
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I think you're crossing the line by making a big deal over this zombie COSTUME! Stop being a shit disturber and trying to get people all in a frenzy over something that is not at all to be taken seriously.
jeff blake / October 29, 2009 at 08:17 am
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Blog.to needs a "report spam" function for the comments (see two links above).

Overall, I guess it depends on who "sees" it if it is offensive or not. Not offensive to me but maybe it has a different impact if seen in person.
Duh! / October 29, 2009 at 09:15 am
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Its an unborn baby.
As in the undead. Zombies.
Didnt George Romero teach you guys anything?
brains / October 29, 2009 at 09:16 am
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Zombies are over the top monsters so I can rationalize that they're cartoonish and relatively harmless.

A zombie with a dead baby dragging on the ground hanging on by umbilical cord isn't okay for children or pregnant women or women who have recently lost a baby to be exposed to. I don't think it's reasonable for people to expect a woman(or her partner) to lighten up and see the joke if they've recently gone through this kind of personal tragedy.

I think common sense and human decency is a bit more important than a cool costume. There are countless other things you could do with a zombie outfit - siamese twins, a detached head or limbs, carrying around someone else's torso, zombie dog. zombie parakeet on your shoulder, small platoon of zombie squirrels in a wagon, etc etc.

If it was a private event in a bar, then I could forgive it. But it's out in public, so it's offensive.
jason / October 29, 2009 at 09:59 am
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I was the zombie doctor on call that day. I was delivering this woman's baby and just as the baby was coming out she "turned" and attacked me. After all I did for her, she bit me! I though we had a bond but I was wrong. So, question! Would that make the baby a zombie? Reply with your answer.


It's a themed costume with a little thought put into it. Sorry if we offended you. Overall, people laughed about it and that was its intention. See you next year people. We'll be the ones with the over the top themed costume. LOL

If you love zombies, Halloween and everything about it add me to FaceBook. jason dasti

pro-zombie replying to a comment from jason / October 29, 2009 at 10:04 am
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Jason, thank you for posting your side of the story behind your excellent zombie costume! I think people are getting in a tizzy over nothing and need to remember that this is all done in fun and need to lighten up!
Alex Siddiqi replying to a comment from brains / October 29, 2009 at 10:26 am
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You wrote:
"A zombie with a dead baby dragging on the ground hanging on by umbilical cord isn't okay for children or pregnant women or women who have recently lost a baby to be exposed to. I don't think it's reasonable for people to expect a woman(or her partner) to lighten up and see the joke if they've recently gone through this kind of personal tragedy."

How about those who have lost loved ones recently, because they were dismembered in a freak/car accident. Shouldn't they be offended by a "living dead" walk in general?

Point is, the idea & presentation of zombies is meant for fun and as a parodical social commentary on groupthink, mob mentalities, and a society that discourages independent thought. If the dead baby attached to its' dead mothers birth canal via umbilical cord shocks you, maybe you should ask yourself why, and possibly learn something about yourself.

Also, for all the Maude Flanders' out there ("Oh won't SOMEONE please think of the CHILDREN!"), we shouldn't have to shelter kids in public from thinks we may find unsettling. It's not a perfect world and if children ask questions about these questionable displays they see in public, this is a good thing; it encourages discussion between parent and child, and hopefull the child can learn some critical think at a young age.

@Jason: It was a good costume!
Alex Siddiqi replying to a comment from brains / October 29, 2009 at 10:32 am
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Also, do you really have to patronize women so much? Geez, it's nauseating.
Hilarious!! / October 29, 2009 at 10:39 am
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Speaking as someone who was once a baby and potentially could be a zombie in years to come...i find it to be downright awesome!

Being P.C. is as dead as...well a zombie.

Now if you dressed as a 13 yr old hockey player that was dead...that might be a tad too soon.
brains / October 29, 2009 at 10:52 am
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Alex Siddiqi on October 29, 2009 at 10:32 AM , replying to a comment from brains
Also, do you really have to patronize women so much? Geez, it's nauseating.
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Hey dumbass I said women or their partners.

Why don't you go parade the costume through Sick Kids and laugh yourself silly.
Cristine replying to a comment from conscious / October 29, 2009 at 11:38 am
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I think this costume was amusing. Lighten up, it was just for fun. I went to the Zombie Walk and I had a great time. There were a lot of costumes that were just as bad as this, but no one took offence to them. I don't now if anyone remembers, but there was a woman with a fetus hand sticking out of her belly. It's all for fun...and sorry if I'm a horrible person for laughing at these interesting costumes.
Alex Siddiqi replying to a comment from brains / October 29, 2009 at 11:58 am
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So you are patronizing women AND their partners...who could also be women?

"Women" constitutes a very broad section of society.

And no, I won't take your suggestion of wearing that costume through Sick Kids. What's wrong with you? No one would do that - @Jason: would you do something like this?

jason replying to a comment from Alex Siddiqi / October 29, 2009 at 12:19 pm
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No! The costume belongs at the Toronto Zombie Walk. Why would someone suggest to wear this costume at sick kids. What's wrong with that person.
brains / October 29, 2009 at 12:19 pm
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Alex Siddiqi on October 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM , replying to a comment from brains
So you are patronizing women AND their partners...who could also be women?
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Nope. Just talking from personal experience, you asshole.
lp replying to a comment from brains / October 29, 2009 at 12:27 pm
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and u should pull that stick or head out of your behind, seriously.
lp replying to a comment from brains / October 29, 2009 at 12:27 pm
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that was meant for brains
Westy replying to a comment from CP / October 29, 2009 at 12:30 pm
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Agreed.

Saw lots of so-called zombies laughing/giggling and playing pretend Star Wars.

Yawn.
conscious replying to a comment from Cristine / October 29, 2009 at 01:40 pm
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Perhaps you've been made dizzy by all the retarded comments over this complete non-issue, but I refuse to explain my joke if you didn't get it. You, ma'am, should lighten up on your kneejerk reactions :P
Cristine replying to a comment from conscious / October 29, 2009 at 02:33 pm
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Sorry about that, I forgot that I clicked on your name earlier to reply. Yes, I did get your joke, and I forgot to give you a high five for it. =P
David / October 29, 2009 at 03:09 pm
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The first time Madonna was pregnant someone did the same thing on Halloween. They were dressed as Madonna carrying a baby on the umbilical cord.

I'd say that's much worse than Zombies.
Steve / October 29, 2009 at 04:01 pm
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This is truly one of the most entertaining postings ever to appear on BlogTO. The responses are both ingenious and hilarious.

Laff replying to a comment from Steve / October 29, 2009 at 04:04 pm
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If you cant get a laugh out of zombie babies, what can you get a laught out of?

H1N1? Ya i guess thats a killer joke too.
Alex Siddiqi replying to a comment from brains / October 29, 2009 at 04:24 pm
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I suggest you watch your language - there could be children or women with children reading these blog posts. If this was a private page, then it would be okay, but this is public domain. So it's offensive.
Getoveryourself replying to a comment from Alex Siddiqi / October 29, 2009 at 04:27 pm
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The Blog Police are out in force i see.
DjDATZ replying to a comment from Alex Siddiqi / October 29, 2009 at 04:29 pm
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Wah, wah, wah. Seriously? You don't think the image in question would be more damaging to the "child" than the use of the word "asshole"?

Just an FYI, way easier to find questionable content on the interwwwebz than to read through the comments of a zombie picture. You know, just in case you haven't noticed.
zooie / October 29, 2009 at 04:48 pm
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When a woman dies either during childbirth or just before labor (esp. very, very, as in overdue, pregnant), the fetus can be expelled as the muscles contract in rigor mortis. This usually only happens if the woman is unattended during birth, otherwise medical personnel will attempt to deliver the baby and save it's life. Otherwise, when mom dies, baby dies, and sometimes a corpse mom births a corpse baby. So it could happen. But the doctor must have been real crap.

And if it offends you - look away. We all have the freedom to do that too. If you don't look away and forget about it, you're probably just too repressed to admit that you find it as awesome as everyone else. Just sayin'.
Alex Siddiqi replying to a comment from DjDATZ / October 29, 2009 at 05:01 pm
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People! I'm being sarcastic - follow the flirtation between myself and the ironically-named "brains" and you will understand what I wrote.
Mae / October 29, 2009 at 05:20 pm
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As a mother to two live children and one who did not survive the pregnancy...

I find this hilarious and so did my 4 and 6 year olds who KNOW it is nothing more than a costume.

You people need to lighten up and educate your children rather than wallowing in self pity and ignorance.
Alex Siddiqi replying to a comment from Mae / October 29, 2009 at 05:22 pm
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And THAT Mae, was the best comment on the thread. I mean that sincerely.
Leila / October 29, 2009 at 07:59 pm
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ahahahahahahahahahahahah


ahaha

aha

amazing.
HElium / October 29, 2009 at 08:51 pm
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I think I might use this idea
abrahan / October 29, 2009 at 10:10 pm
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this is much worse:
http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/view/28666308/44
conscious replying to a comment from Cristine / October 29, 2009 at 10:42 pm
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d'oh. *egg firmly affixed to face*
J / October 29, 2009 at 11:13 pm
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I def. Lawl'd.
Sabka / October 29, 2009 at 11:46 pm
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like someone said in the beginning of the comments, and like many others are saying, IT IS THE ZOMBIE WALK. this picture has been taken totally out of context and that is unfair. Being a person who, myself, was born and stayed in sick kids' hospital for 3 months, being a 3 month premie baby, i don't find this offensive because it is completed unrelated to reality. It's not some deep mystical comment on human life. Its for fun. If you want to talk ethics, the entire zombie walk is unethical because it represents things that should not happen, happening. Everyone needs to relax their faces off and just realize it was for the zombie walk, to stay at the zombie walk, and not be reiterated outside of that realm.
amie / October 30, 2009 at 02:21 am
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I think that is amazing...What a great zombie ( I am from Toronto and love the Zombie walk). Great work
Polly / October 30, 2009 at 03:08 am
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I'm glad you had an option for 'what line?' as I don't think that there should be a line you 'could' cross for zombie costumes. I think it's highly inventive!
oyunlar / October 30, 2009 at 09:05 am
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muhahhaahhaah nice
avisioncame / October 30, 2009 at 09:44 am
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I had a girl show up to my party a couple years ago with a fetus hanging out of her...and she wasnt even supposed to be a zombie either.
melissa / October 30, 2009 at 12:12 pm
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I don't think this costume is crossing the line, IT'S THE ZOMBIE WALK for heaven sake. To be honest I don't know what the line is. Everyone is covered in blood and eating intestines how is this any different? What costume do you think would be "crossing the line"??
Jerrold replying to a comment from melissa / October 30, 2009 at 12:31 pm
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<i>"...IT'S THE ZOMBIE WALK for <b>heaven</b> sake."</i>

Oh, the irony!

melissa / October 30, 2009 at 12:43 pm
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lol..I guess I should have said hell?
Great Ceasar's Ghost / October 30, 2009 at 10:30 pm
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Humans take themselves far too seriously sometimes.
Tania / October 31, 2009 at 02:34 pm
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Zombie Bby could of ended up somewhere worse ie. the foster care system.
Ultra / October 31, 2009 at 11:39 pm
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For adults it is ok but with little kids trick-or-treating it is not such a good idea
bigreader / November 1, 2009 at 12:16 am
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By rights of the baby being born at the same time she became a zombie we should also have a....BABY ZOMBIE cause the disease traveled through the attached umbilical cord....
JK / November 2, 2009 at 10:59 pm
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Yeah, what line? This is newsworthy? Oh, BlogTO. Way to try - and fail - to make something out of nothing.
Ultra / November 2, 2009 at 11:08 pm
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Tania, you are so right about the foster care system. JK, whether it's newsworhty or not that is the way of . If you don't like it don't get involved in it by making negative comments. Do you have a blog?
Ultra / November 2, 2009 at 11:09 pm
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I meant to say ".....that is the way of or nature of the blog"
Chuck Taylor / November 3, 2009 at 07:10 am
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wow! great Halloween costumes, they're fine with me..
Chuck Taylor / November 3, 2009 at 07:11 am
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wow! great Halloween costumes, they're fine with me..
Flu / November 3, 2009 at 08:12 am
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Id rather be a zombie baby then wait in line for an H1N1 shot.
Just saying.
Oh yeah...I went there. replying to a comment from gross zombies r cool / November 5, 2009 at 01:05 am
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True. Very true. I like the way you think.
B replying to a comment from gross zombies r cool / November 5, 2009 at 04:05 pm
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because death is hilarious
a beaneronomy / December 1, 2009 at 10:56 pm
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over the line? cowboy up; it's a halloween costume!
nikki replying to a comment from CP / December 6, 2009 at 01:00 pm
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i think thats so cool. i went on a zombie walk a few months ago. it was awesome.
amandapeculiar@yahoo.com replying to a comment from Hamish Grant / March 12, 2010 at 08:41 pm
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I did that one in Texas last year.
LNR / March 24, 2010 at 04:21 pm
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Wow, cry me a river "it's such an awful costume" what with there being too much blood and too much baby on an umbilical cord. Pssht. At least someone is using their thinker for productive use.

BUT HOW IS THAT BABY STILL SO IN TACT? Does their squishiness bring forth a new level of durable?
edlol / May 4, 2010 at 01:41 pm
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hehe that's awesome
Karleighh / June 9, 2010 at 09:50 pm
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Damn! That is soooooo awesome!
Octopus / June 22, 2010 at 02:24 am
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Of COURSE it crosses a line. These people don't dress up as zombies to NOT cross lines though, do they?
Annie / August 15, 2010 at 08:19 pm
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I personally don't see the problem with it. Zombies started as a subgenre of horror, that's pretty freaking horrific if you ask me.

I've read horror books where the baby eats it way out and is living out of its zombified mother's stomach as the umbilical and placenta rots around it.

It's possible that I'm desensitized but I love horror and the costume doesn't bother me at all.
Karleighh / August 20, 2010 at 01:46 am
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Annie, in what book would that be? What author could be such a genius to create that type of idea?
lucia replying to a comment from Elvedin / September 6, 2010 at 06:34 pm
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wow very good point
Xposed Expo Miami / November 3, 2010 at 07:54 am
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For goodness sake, the only people who could possibly find this offensive would be a daily mail reader. Come on. It's okay to have a fully grown dead human walking around all zombie like, but the mere mention of a zombie baby gets some people in a tizz?
leg avenue- fancy dress/ Costumes / July 18, 2011 at 04:58 am
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Grotesque is the point (although I don't think I could do it!)
Date a Cougar / July 29, 2011 at 03:49 am
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For goodness sake, the only people who could possibly find this offensive would be a daily mail reader. Come on. It's okay to have a fully grown dead human walking around all zombie like
kiersten / October 28, 2011 at 11:17 pm
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh said me and my friend it is way out of line dddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
kiersten / October 28, 2011 at 11:18 pm
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she said oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
kpav / October 28, 2011 at 11:19 pm
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i say so fake

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