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VIA Workers on Strike

Posted by Tim / July 24, 2009

VIA StrikeVIA Rail workers are officially on strike according to a Union spokesperson; and with their actions this summer is shaping up as one of the messiest tourism seasons in recent history. Let's see, the city and Toronto Tourism spend oodles of dollars to get tourists here only to watch them hurdle over garbage and travel via Greyhound buses. Seems like a memorable trip to me.

Oh, more details on the strike here.

Previous coverage: VIA Rail Services Cut in Preparation for Strike (including a VIA Engineer's perspective on the strike in the comments).

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Discussion

32 Comments

Davee / July 24, 2009 at 01:36 pm
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What a deplorable summer this has been for Toronto and visitors to this city. Can anyone think of a worst summer for the city?
Maria / July 24, 2009 at 02:27 pm
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Not to count the approximately 15,000 Mexicans that visit Toronto every year. Most of them in the summer. Lots of them had their tickets bought and suddenly they couldn't get into Canada. There's at least 1 month wait at the Canadian Embassy in Mexico City for visas. People that had their tickets bought couldn't take the trip.
That's 20,000 people that won't be coming to Toronto anymore, not like they're missing much with all the garbage and disruptions, though.
Caro B / July 24, 2009 at 02:48 pm
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As an Australian who moved to Toronto a few months ago, I've got to say I've found what's been happening with the strikes pretty amazing - and not in a good way. Luckily this is such a cool city with so many other things going for it.
Josh / July 24, 2009 at 02:56 pm
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Striking? Take the train long distance has become a novelty. The price is on par with flying, it can be slightly more convenient.

BUT if you want to push the last of your customers/riders to fly, SO BE IT!!!
gadfly / July 24, 2009 at 03:55 pm
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Just one more reason I would never give up my car. Even though my taxes go to prop up Via and Go.
that guy replying to a comment from Josh / July 24, 2009 at 03:55 pm
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That's probably why porter added 25% discounts today.
I don't know the via workers situation.
So i won't comment on their validity, but i do think the strike will hurt the industry, their bosses and the workers themselves. I love trains and wish they were a viable method of transportation, but their significance is always shrinking.
Angus / July 24, 2009 at 04:49 pm
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Trains are now for the upper class, too bad they've been priced out of use for most people.
uwajedi / July 24, 2009 at 07:02 pm
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Correction: VIA Engineers on strike. For the rest of the ~3000 unionized VIA employees, it's layoff and EI as of tomorrow.
Newbie / July 24, 2009 at 10:16 pm
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This is my first summer here as well. I have not seen such a "system" since my earlier consulting assignments in developing countries where you would see this happen more often. Before I moved, I was told of how clean this city is and what all it has to offer which of course is dented by the events that have occured this summer...I was also told similar events (garbage strike) occured in 2002 (or 2003)...this is something that should be fixed for the long term for Canada's prosperity...
However, as someone else said, the city still has a lot to offer ..
Paul replying to a comment from gadfly / July 24, 2009 at 10:38 pm
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Ya well my taxes prop up highways and parking spaces even though I don't drive, so I guess we're even.
gadfly replying to a comment from Paul / July 25, 2009 at 08:55 am
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Really? Let's forget for a moment that the trucking industry causes most of the damage/wear and tear on the roadways, here's what the 'average' person contributes to taxes in the way of driving every year:
$20,000 car @ 13% combined taxes/6 years of keeping car = $433/yr
$200/mo monthly parking in the city @ 30% taxes = $800/yr
3 fillups a month @$60/35% taxes = $650/yr (and that surely is not for a minivan or SUV!)
Let's not forget the $135 a year it now costs for plate fees in this city and that's a rough estimate of $2,000 in after tax dollars that I contribute to the tax base, multiply that by the 1 million registered vehicles in Toronto and that is over $2 billion that we pay. That's a very conservative estimate. Does this hell-hole of a city pay $2 billion for road repairs? Not close!

But what does the TTC, Go and Via suck in the way of direct taxes from the city? You know the answer to that one, but let's keep believing the crap the social engineers in City Hall keep telling us, shall we?
Steve replying to a comment from gadfly / July 25, 2009 at 10:01 am
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I'm confused. Am I supposed to be trying to "forget for a moment" or trying to "keep believing the crap the social engineers in City Hall". Not sure if I'll have time today to do both
Carl replying to a comment from gadfly / July 25, 2009 at 10:06 am
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Guess what? Those damage causing trucks pay more insurance than you do. You own a car, you gotta pay to play. Quit pointing fingers at the trucks because they do more damage than you BUT you still contribute to the damage. Just because they cause more of it doesn't get you of the hook there pal. Again, you gotta pay to play.
Steve replying to a comment from gadfly / July 25, 2009 at 10:13 am
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Sounds like you've got serious issues with car ownership, You should go on strike with yourself, you'll show yourself a thing or two about taxes and driving.
Eric S. Smith replying to a comment from gadfly / July 25, 2009 at 10:16 am
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If it weren't for public funds "propping up" VIA and GO, I'll bet that your monthly parking pass wouldn't be as cheap as $200/month.
gadfly / July 25, 2009 at 11:34 am
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Looks like I've struck a nerve amongst the economically-challenged. From the city's own confused books, $33 million in NET revenues are made from parking tickets, while another $54 million in NET revenues are made from parking, but are those profits shown against the transportation budget? Nope.
Since the TTC gets 11% of the budget, while transportation only gets 5%, it's easy to see that driver's are being fleeced, considering far more people drive than take transit. So, while it looks like hundreds of millions are being spent on roads and traffic, really the number is far less when these revenues are added back in.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with paying my fair share, but let's dispell the myths. The city would be more bankrupt than it already is without motorists to fleece annually.
I am not beating up on truckers, since my dad worked for Manitoulin for many years, but those with axes to grind like to believe that if automobiles disappeared tomorrow, all the roads could be dug up and gardens planted instead.
Accountants, like lawyers, can play with reality. The choice is for sheeple to not believe those numbers and look beyond them. But the bicycle/transit lobby will have none of that.

All I am saying is that if the budgets were honest, we'd see that 'public' transit is a big sink hole, whether it's Via, Go or the TTC and that motorists more than pay their fair share. However, that is not the way the city's books play this game.
gadfly replying to a comment from Carl / July 25, 2009 at 11:37 am
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Yeah, my 2,400 lb. car that I drive 3 or 4 times a week causes damage like those 40,000 lb cement mixers and dump trucks that roll around. Golly, I like your math.
gadfly replying to a comment from Eric S. Smith / July 25, 2009 at 11:45 am
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The parking garages can only charge what the market will bear, unlike the TTC and Via which are monopolies and can charge the users or the taxpayes whatever they want.
I only pay $80 a month in parking because I live downtown, but those who live in the (gasp) suburbs and want to drive to work would pay $200+. I am just using average figures.
Carl replying to a comment from gadfly / July 25, 2009 at 05:32 pm
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I only litter a little bit not as much as big corporations. Therefore I don't litter at all.

I like your logic there Champ.
Stu replying to a comment from gadfly / July 25, 2009 at 05:37 pm
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Economically challenged? Your the one whining about how much you have to pay.

What makes you think that 100% of the money earned from you driving a car has to go back into transportation and the roads? Its a business they can run it however they like.
BJH replying to a comment from gadfly / July 25, 2009 at 08:47 pm
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PST, GST and gas taxes and half your plate fee go to the feds and the province - pays for stuff like the 401, 404, QEW and vehicle licensing administration. Municipal roads are paid for by property taxes. Property taxes are paid by drivers and non drivers alike.

I'm sad about the VIA strike. I have a train ticket for a trip a couple of weeks from now.

gadfly replying to a comment from Stu / July 26, 2009 at 08:20 am
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Whining about what I have to pay? Perhaps you missed the remark about 'average driver.' I understand owning a car is more and I accept that. It's the mythology passed along by the social engineers in City Hall that somehow motorists get a free ride when, in fact, it's the TTC, Via and Go that suck at the public teat.
Less than $400 million is poured into the transportation budget, yet the TTC gets 3 or 4 times that (when you factor in capital expenses.) It's the way the accountants (as dictated by their masters in city hall) fudge the numbers. If the 'net' amounts that motorists in the 416 area pay into the system of taxes only on their vehicles was properly accounted for, it is of a net benefit to the city. The same cannot be said of the TTC, Go or Via. That is a fact.
I am not saying that should change, I am merely stating what should be obvious, but obviously is not because people around here have swallowed the party line.
gadfly replying to a comment from Carl / July 26, 2009 at 08:21 am
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??? Apparently Carl failed grade 3 comprehension. I suggest you don't try to read the city budget, sir.
Eric S. Smith replying to a comment from gadfly / July 26, 2009 at 11:17 am
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<blockquote><i>"The parking garages can only charge what the market will bear"</i>...</blockquote>
<p>...and thus will charge more as demand increases. In the absence of GO and VIA, the demand for parking downtown would necessarily rise.</p>
gadfly replying to a comment from Eric S. Smith / July 26, 2009 at 11:31 am
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True, and more would then be built, but in all cases not at the public purse's expense.
Eric S. Smith replying to a comment from gadfly / July 26, 2009 at 12:40 pm
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Regardless of who built it, that new parking would be on the most expensive land in the GTA. And the significant competitive market would not consist of parking lot operators trying to offer the lowest possible rates to motorists: it would be motorists competing for the best possible parking spaces.

You would have to pay more for parking if there were no local or regional transit. Thus, transit reduces the operating cost of your car.
Jule / July 26, 2009 at 07:26 pm
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Ummm Gadfly this is about the VIA strike which is now over! All your rants and complaining isn't effected at all so don't worry about it.

Its about the VIA workers and their employer, not at all about you and your car and your parking fees. You can't see past your own steering wheel. Shame, shame, shame...
Joel M / July 26, 2009 at 07:55 pm
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Now that the strike is over, Via just sent out an email offering 60% off for all Economy & Business class trips between now and Dec. 14.

You Gotta book by 11:59pm July 29th to get the discount.

Its a pretty good deal, I booked a round-trip from Toronto to London for less than $50 with tax which is cheaper than Greyhound.

gadfly replying to a comment from Jule / July 27, 2009 at 09:00 am
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Thanks, Julie, but if you call reasoned discourse, backed by figures and statistics a 'rant,' then perhaps you should have a dictionary in your stocking this Xmas.
I made one little remark about not wanting to be without my car because of these strikes, others (as anticipated) jumped on my pro-car remark and I merely defended myself.
I expected nothing less. Sorry if my replies seemed to hijack the thread about the Via strike; however, misinformation should never go unanswered.

And the fact that Via is now offering 60% discounts until Dec. 14 simply reinforced my point: or do you think that it actually costs $50 per person to send a half empty train to London?

(By the way, I could drive to London and back for less than $50 in gas: door to door.)
Jule replying to a comment from gadfly / July 27, 2009 at 10:11 am
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My name is Jule NOT Julie you fail...again...
Honestly replying to a comment from gadfly / July 27, 2009 at 11:56 am
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Gadfly. It's not how many facts and numbers you can regurgitate.

It's not how much you know, it's what you do with what you know.
gadfly replying to a comment from Jule / July 27, 2009 at 11:59 am
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My bad, Jule. You must be in politics: attack one little mistake to avoid the greater issue and logic.
Find flaws in my argument, not in my ability to discern one fake handle over another.

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