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Morning Brew: Honour Killings, Bike Rental Program, Emergency Council Meeting Agenda, American Tourists

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / July 24, 2009

canada eh?Photo: "Canada.... EH!..." by chewie2008~, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

Did the influence of western culture on his three daughters drive a man, his wife, and son to conspire to kill them and their caregiver (who also happened to be the man's former wife)? The mysterious case of the four women found drowned in a car in the lock in Kingston has investigators and the media speculating that it may have been an "honour killing" after evidence and an email from abroad add suggestions to that effect.

Should Toronto adopt a city-run public bike rental program modeled after BIXI (the one launched in Montreal in the spring), even though the program has demonstrated flaws? Bikes are pricey ($2000 each!?) and vandalism and theft have been observed.

Swine flu is expected to have a major second wave, and the cooler fall and winter flu seasons may be unlike any we've ever seen (if what's going on in South America, for example, is any indication). School boards are working on plans for shutdowns should the need arise.

Travel to Canada by American tourists is down in some places, with blame placed in part on the recently imposed need for a passport for travel between the two countries. Some B&Bs in Niagara are seeing far less visitors, and $3 T-shirt sales on Yonge Street are likely dropping off too. Recent stats show that 56% of Canadians hold passports, while prior to the passport requirement just 30% of Americans held passports.

The probe investigating accusations of animal suffering at the Toronto Humane Society has been extended, and some continue to insist that the OSPCA's push for the probe is politically motivated. While I can imagine that a high volume of animals in need, coupled by low resources to deal with them, would result in deficiencies, I can't see the Humane Society being staffed by people that are intentionally cruel and abusive to animals.

And the mayor has finally called an emergency city council meeting for early August. The agenda looks daunting and is mostly aimed at approving funding of all kinds of projects and events. If they plan to address all 60 items on the agenda, how much time do they have to discuss the merits of each?

Discussion

37 Comments

Ryan L. / July 24, 2009 at 08:55 am
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Also in the news, T&T gets bought by Loblaws: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/07/24/loblaw-tandt-takeover.html
DRP / July 24, 2009 at 09:29 am
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Re: "I can't see the Humane Society being staffed by people that are intentionally cruel and abusive to animals."

You need to stop by and meet some of the people that work there.
astoutley / July 24, 2009 at 09:40 am
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Most council meetings have way more than 60 items. Most stuff is just passed without discussion so that they can debate bike lanes for 9 hours. Last meeting had around 150 items, I think.
ex-Kingstonian / July 24, 2009 at 09:47 am
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She wasn't his 'former wife' but his 'first wife'. Never divorced, but asking for a divorce for 20 years according to the Kingston Whig Standard. Canada doesn't allow polygamy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Ryan L. / July 24, 2009 at 09:59 am
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The Humane Society reminds me of the character 'Elmira' in the cartoon Tiny Toons. Now this character absolutely loves animals and especially loves owning pets. She loves it so much to the point where she has dozens of different animals all locked up in their own tiny cages in her room. And as a result she is completely unable to take proper care of them. They don't have enough food, room and are generally unhappy and unhealthy.

But in her mind there is nothing at all wrong with what she is doing.


Ryan L. replying to a comment from ex-Kingstonian / July 24, 2009 at 10:02 am
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Apparently it's acceptable to take a 'second' wife if the first wife is unable to bear children as what happened in this situation. But why kill the children from the second wife? Definitely more to this than what we currently know.
that guy / July 24, 2009 at 10:08 am
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so we remove posts now huh ?
too spicy ?
Jerrold replying to a comment from that guy / July 24, 2009 at 10:13 am
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@ that guy

Your comment was captured by our filters (i.e. it was not published and removed).

Your phrase "please get the fuck out of this country" is the likely problem.
that guy replying to a comment from Jerrold / July 24, 2009 at 10:21 am
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When were filters implemented ? I heard a nice ammount of healthy swearing here before.

Let me rephrase.

Although this current case in the star is likely not and honour killing. But that is just guessing.

People that come here with their kids and expect them not to absorb the culture are (something the filter would take out). I am an immigrant and i came here precisely because this place is not like my country.
Sure i have the occasional complain, like some of my culture. But i am here precisely for the reason because the place is not like home.

You most likely didn't leave your place because it's better than here. Part of it may be economics, but those are also formed by your daily culture. So i would say if that culture includes agreeing with the idea of an honour killing please get the flower out.
Gabe / July 24, 2009 at 10:21 am
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No we shouldn't copy Montreals Bike Rental program.

Why copy something that isn't a proven success? Just because?
There's got to be better successful Bike Rental program models to copy OR we could probably come up with our with that is equally flawed as Montreals without needing to copy.
Stu / July 24, 2009 at 10:26 am
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The Humane Society COULD still be giving these animals a much nicer much better environment to live in the one that they were rescued from. We've all see the news reports of too many dogs in a house, starving, being abused, etc, etc.

With humans in an abusive relationship / abusive environment. We think - get them outta there as soon as possible, I don't care where you take them but get them the hell outta there!!!
that guy replying to a comment from Gabe / July 24, 2009 at 10:27 am
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I'm a cyclist so bike rental isn't exact for me. When i visited Germany i used their bike system as a tourist. The bikes were cheap and free, simple stands with no locks. Based on a trust system. It seems to have worked.

I do think the idea of a bike rental system is good. Implementation I'd leave to the experts.

Currently i don't go shopping on my bike, i commute and leisure ride. This way my bike is never left out where it will likely get ripped of. So i would consider using bike rental to go shopping a little bit further without needing my car or the TTC.

Vandalism will always sadly be part of the system.
Mike W / July 24, 2009 at 10:28 am
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I usually get a "Your comment is pending review" if there's a filter-able word.

Ryan, that is important IMO, thanks for bringing it up.
matt / July 24, 2009 at 10:30 am
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"Did the influence of western culture on his three daughters drive a man, his wife, and son to conspire to kill them and their caregiver (who also happened to be the man's former wife)?"

Could you blame the victim any more directly if you tried? Here, let me try:

If only those girls hadn't talked to boys! If only those girls had covered themselves in burkas, like all good women do, they wouldn't have driven their poor parents and brother to defend the defiled honor of their family. So many things those four women could have done to avoid driving their family to kill them. And Canada? If only Canada hadn't so blatantly polluted those girls with terrible values. If only Canada had good morals like Afghanistan, those poor beleaguered parents wouldn't have been driven to such desperate, but clearly necessary measures! Really, what else could they do, other than drown them in a canal?

There... I think that actually blamed the victims more than your headline. Took some work though.

Cdn Ex Pat / July 24, 2009 at 10:33 am
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Statistics aside, the ones regarding passports still means 90 million Americans hold them compared to 17 million Canadians, so I don't think that requirement to cross the border is the whole story. Fact is, tourism's been in a steady decline since 9/11. The strength of the Canadian dollar's probably been a bigger factor, along with the fact that once you've seen the Niagara region, and once you've been to Toronto, how often are you going to return for the same thing?
that guy replying to a comment from Cdn Ex Pat / July 24, 2009 at 10:44 am
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I think all your points are valid. Still there is no doubt in my mind that the passport issues matters. I think it would most affect people living in the border regions that could casually travel over the border for minor purchases or day trips. Some may find passports worthwhile from now on, some won't bother.
o_O / July 24, 2009 at 10:59 am
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Jerrold, that comment about the 60 item agenda is way off. In May, the last full city council meeting, community council agenda items alone had more than 60 items that had to be considered by city council.

Maybe three or five of the 60 items to be considered on August 5-6 will garner any significant debate, not including Rob Ford's entirely offensive (and predictable) rants about grants for AIDS, drug, homelessness and priority neighbourhood programming.
Anon replying to a comment from matt / July 24, 2009 at 11:04 am
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Dear matt,

You're a moron.

Sincerely,
Everyone who is not a moron

PS. Stating why someone was motivated to do something does necessarily imply that those motivations were valid in any way.
Mike W replying to a comment from matt / July 24, 2009 at 11:11 am
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I took it to mean western culture influence (which is expected in a western culture) *may* have provoked an "honour killing", which doesn't have good connotations in our culture (nor any kind of killing, including capital punishment). Jerrold would have to clarify but from the words I would think your interpretation of his words is inaccurate.

Maybe a bit ambiguous, but that's my interpretation.
Nick replying to a comment from Ryan L. / July 24, 2009 at 11:12 am
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Humane Society.

You're all aware that they euthinate animals right?
So they're allowed to kill them, but suffering is wrong.

Meanwhile humans can't get assisted suicide when they're suffering to death and want the assistance. Animals got better rights then us, and they don't even have an opposing thumb!!!
jamesmallon / July 24, 2009 at 11:19 am
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Once again, the school boards don't know their @$$ from their ear. They are going to wait until 20% of staff are symptomatic of swine flu to shut the schools down? Now, it blows to have your kids out of school when you both (or single-parent) work outside of home, but schools and hospitals are just about the best version of a petri dish for kids. I can tell you that staff, like me, are going to take sick days if they are that certain of getting sick. It's harsh to expect doctors and nurses to show up in an epidemic, but that's a bit more of the territory than it is in education. As for having the lessons online? Nonsense. Our system is not close to set up for that.

One thing that would be great, epidemic or not, is if someone could get custodians in public and private buildings to wipe handles and door knobs... ever! I don't touch them.
that guy replying to a comment from jamesmallon / July 24, 2009 at 11:24 am
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i'm contemplating whether i should try to get myself infected from someone that has a mild case of it now, rather than deal with it in the fall when half the country is sick

I try to go through all my flus with no meds to keep my immune system in tip top shape
DonCherry replying to a comment from that guy / July 24, 2009 at 11:27 am
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COLD-FX
that guy replying to a comment from DonCherry / July 24, 2009 at 11:29 am
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I think I'm a non believer in the Cold FX hype
Yan replying to a comment from that guy / July 24, 2009 at 11:32 am
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You're right 100%.

I remember a case in Israel a few years ago. There was a family (an Arab one): father, mother, two older brothers and 4 sisters (teenagers). One of the sisters started dating a Jewish boy. So the mother and all the males decided to kill her for a "honor" reason. But not only that, they decided to kill all the other girls in order to prevent similar cases in the future! So, one of the brothers brought home poison (he was working in a hospital). And they injected the substance into each of the girls. Then, when they thought all girls are dead, they called an ambulance and told the paramedics the girls committed suicide. Unfortunately (for the murderers), one of the girls survived to tell the story.

Cases like this force me to re-think my anti death penalty position.

This is a common sense in many Muslim countries. Many of these people bring their ill practices with them to the West. How can we confront that? I'm not sure. That's something to ask the Immigration policy makers, I think.
Anon replying to a comment from Cdn Ex Pat / July 24, 2009 at 11:32 am
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"Statistics aside, the ones regarding passports still means 90 million Americans hold them compared to 17 million Canadians, so I don't think that requirement to cross the border is the whole story"

How are these numbers at all relevant? The relevant numbers are: before there were 300 million Americans who could visit Canada as easily as anywhere in the States and now there are 90 million. It's likely that the vast majority of the other 210 million would not be visiting Canada anyway but a certain percentage of them would have but now will go elsewhere.

"along with the fact that once you've seen the Niagara region, and once you've been to Toronto, how often are you going to return for the same thing?"

I don't know if you're aware of this but they're actually making new people every day. The number of American tourists coming to Canada (like pretty much everything involving people) has historically increased over time. If you want to explain a decrease in tourism, just saying "Canada is boring" isn't going to do it. "Canada is more boring than it used to be" would work, though you should offer some actual justification for that.
that guy replying to a comment from Yan / July 24, 2009 at 11:45 am
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It is something that is extremely difficult to balance.
I still think partial assimilation is to be expected.
But assimilation has become a dirty word.
I came here to be part of this world. I bring some culture with me.
No one asks me to give it up, no one forces religion on me.
commons sense to me dictates that i shall abide by the morals of the country that i came to.
CDN Ex Pat replying to a comment from Anon / July 24, 2009 at 12:21 pm
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Well, "Anon" as someone who worked in the Tourism biz in the mid to late 90s, I can tell you it was a CDN dollar worth roughly 60 cents against the greenback that spurred that tourism boom. And even as far back as 1998 US tour operators I dealt with had the same attitude they likely do now -- that once you've seen the CN Tower and Harbourfront and the AGO, and Phantom of the Opera once there's not much to compel people to return to Toronto. With money being tight these days a lot of people who can and would travel to Toronto are staying home.

I'm also aware "new people" are made daily (though your parents did us all a disservice by spawning another internet troll trying to provoke a fight when there's none to be had). I said the passport issue isn't the whole story and I stand by it. It may be a cause but it's hardly the only one.

chephy / July 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm
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As someone who volunteered at the Humane Society for a couple of years, I can attest that the people working there have the well-being of the animals as their highest priority. Everyone is truly dedicated to making the animals' stay there as comfortable and safe as possible. Of course, given the huge numbers of animals that THS has to deal with, and their limited resources, there is bound to be some stress and overcrowding. And of course cats aren't going to have a whole house to play with, and dogs aren't going to get three hours of outdoor exercise... but show me an animal shelter where such things are possible.

One thing is certain: if I had a pet, and if that pet happened to run away, I'd be much happier if it ended up at the THS and not in one of the City's pounds.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from that guy / July 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm
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I've personally witnessed some scary (although thankfully not violent) behaviour with those who have held onto their old customs a little too strongly.

Of course there is the typical story of the cab driver who, after seeing some 14 year old girls walking down the street past 9pm started ranting about that 'this is what is wrong with Canada' and despite his passengers being quite white was quick to tell us all about how they were dressed like 'sluts' (they were wearing tshirts and jeans) and that it was beyond insulting that they were outside without a male escort.

If that wasn't disgusting enough, the cab driver had to turn onto the road that the girls were currently walking across (they had the right of way). He started honking and leaned out his window, threw a bunch of insulting remarks their way and told them to get the F* out of the way.

Rightfully they responded with a "Get the F* out of the way? How about you just F* off"

The entire rest of the trip he was absolutely fuming. "They tell me to F* off? Well, I will F* them and show them their place." (reminder, this girls were like 14)

While I'm all for multiculturalism, there are certain aspects of certain cultures that can stay the F* out of this country.
chephy / July 24, 2009 at 12:44 pm
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What I don't get is why on earth you need $2000 bikes to run a bike rental program. The yellow BikeShare bikes were probably $100-200 each - including parts and labour to fix them up and to repaint them yellow - and did the job just fine. Why are all costs for everything the city does so ridiculously bloated? Why do garbage collectors make $25 an hour (and then not collect any garbage)? Why does it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to paint a freaking white stripe on the side of the road, with a little bike symbol on it? No wonder the city can't afford to do anything...
Alogon replying to a comment from Anon / July 24, 2009 at 02:49 pm
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Dear Anon,

You are the biggest moron.

Signed
Me

Matt has a valid point. The wording is translatable to what he perceived. Mike W is probably right, that it is an inaccurate interpretation of what was intended but on plain reading Matt's take was not wrong as it could easily be interpreted that way. Clearly the question "Did the influence of western culture on his three daughters drive a man, his wife, and son to conspire to kill them and their caregiver" asks if western culture is to blame for the killings. One wouldn't ask "Did the provocative clothing of a woman drive the suspect to rape her?"
More appropriately the question should have been; "Did some whacko, his wife and son conspire to kill his daughters based on some stone-age cultural leanings?" It is appropriate to ask what failing the family had to kill the girls not whether our culture "drove" them to it.
Alogon replying to a comment from Anon / July 24, 2009 at 02:53 pm
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It's "euthanize" and it an "opposable" thumb.

The Humane Society is mostly a "No Kill" shelter. They don't often euthanize animals and many suffer needlessly there.
Animals don't have better rights than us. That is just a ridiculous statement.
Alogon replying to a comment from Ryan L. / July 24, 2009 at 02:58 pm
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You are so right. I absolutely love when some reject from a despotic backwater starts harping on "what is wrong with Canada". I always say, "No, you are wrong. What is wrong with Canada is that we let ingrates like you in."
jeff / July 24, 2009 at 03:02 pm
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The LAST thing this council should be looking to do is another project like bike rentals.

DO the job your were hired to do and when you're finished then and ONLY then should you start something new.
gadfly replying to a comment from jeff / July 24, 2009 at 03:57 pm
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Yes, what did happen to those yellow bicycles? Yet another socialist-engineering project gone amok. Why doesn' Council license ALL bicycles in this city (to the tune of, say, $60 a year) and use that money to fund the silly bike rental program?
Oh, that's right, it's far easier to beat up on the hapless motorists and tax them into oblivion, while trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Amber / July 24, 2009 at 04:49 pm
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Jerrold, maybe you should actually do research into the reasons for protests and calls for Trow's resignation before commenting?

http://helpths.wordpress.com/

That's just for a start and is run by numerous current and former staff and volunteers. The Globe and Mail series is also very sound.

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