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Christie Pits Temporary Dump Protest: Beautiful City, Clean City?
When the city announced on Thursday that it would be opening 19 mini dumpsites to deal with the build up of garbage brought on by the current outside workers strike, I was initially pleased. Although it seemed to signify that the city was digging in its heels and preparing for a long strike, I liked that it was offering an alternative to storing garbage in fly-riddled, rank heaps just outside of my door.
When I read that Christie Pits and a host of other Toronto parks were included on this list of "temporary drop-off sites," however, my attitude quickly changed. I wasn't angry and frustrated so much as I was confused. Why, I wondered, would the city want to use green space for the reception of garbage? Surely in a city of Toronto's size there must be better places?
Apparently I wasn't the only one asking these questions. As my wife and I have a plot in the community garden at Christie Pits, I received an email notifying me that a protest had been planned for Friday the 26th by the Friends of Christie Pits. Eager to hear what other residents had to say, I decided to attend.
Although I have a healthy bit of cynicism when it comes to community protests - so many of which place self-interest above any sense of the greater good - I also think that they're absolutely crucial to the democratic process. This is particularly true at the municipal level, where getting the attention one's councillor and effecting change is well within the realm of possibility. That said, I wasn't attending as a protester, but as someone who felt the need to learn more about the situation. To participate in protest, I've always thought, necessitates sound knowledge of the state of affairs in question.
Well, a little learning is exactly what I got/did. Although the turn-out wasn't particularly great - maybe a couple hundred people or so - and Councillor Joe Pantalone was nowhere to be found, the organizers did get the ball rolling in terms of voicing their dissent. And most of what was said made a lot of sense. Regardless of the fact that the organizers and most of the attendees of the protest couldn't help but be biased when it came to the city's decision to use Christie Pits as a temporary dump site, a number of excellent criticisms and alternatives were offered throughout the protest/open mike session.
One of the first points made certainly struck a chord with me. Despite the protest's location at Christie Pits, organizers sought to distance themselves from the NIMBY (not in my backyard) position, claiming solidarity with the numerous other parks on the temporary dumpsite list. From my standpoint, this lent greater credibility to the proceedings. Instead of a bunch of people whining about their bad luck, the key item of protest was the fact that parks had been chosen for the storage of garbage in the first place.
The most convincing comments in this capacity were those made by Boris Steipe, a resident of Crawford Street and a doctor with a biochemical background. Steipe pointed out that despite the city's request that residents using the dumpsites double bag their garbage, it was clear that the garbage stored in the hockey rink at Christie Pits was already leaking. And when it comes to garbage, leakage is a big problem. The cesspool that results from a large-sized garbage leak is a breeding ground for maggots and a major attraction for rats. Compounding the problem is the virtual certainty that toxic insecticides would have to be used to control the type of infestation that would arise in the event of a long strike. These aren't exactly the types of things you want kids playing around.
But beyond these criticisms and the voicing of frustration over the fact that Councillor Pantalone's staff assured Christie Pits residents and community groups that the park would not be used as a dumpsite, what I found most compelling about the protest were the alternatives offered. Steipe offered up the land other the Gardiner Expressway and the Port lands as options that would allow the city to circumvent the need to use park lands. In the case of the Gardiner, its elevated structure would provide a makeshift roof that would prevent the garbage from being exposed to excess rain, something that, to my knowledge, none of the parks can offer.
I'm quite sure that one of the reasons the city has chosen to use parks as temporary dumpsites is for the purposes of coverage and convenience. A quick look at the map of the dumpsites - many of which, it should be noted, are transfer stations - shows pretty even distribution throughout the city. But I wonder to what degree residents would prioritize this convenience over the potential harm caused by the use of parks as mini dumps. I suppose only time will tell.



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Too bad the city couldn't take over some parking lots to use as garbage dumps. A big pile of garbage in front of Walmart might make people think twice before buying so much crap.
Toronto citizens love their parks year round. I'm surprised someone thought this would actually be a good idea, especially after people left garbage at the park to PROTEST the strike and got a warning from the city.
You mean throughout Toronto.
"But I wonder to what degree residents would prioritize this convenience over the potential harm caused by the use of parks as mini dumps. I suppose only time will tell."
For someone who doesn't own a car, it's not a matter of convenience.
As far as prioritizing their own convenience, residents of this city have a long and proud history, starting not the least with dumping garbage in the closest inconspicuous spot one or two days into the strike.
"Too bad the city couldn't take over some parking lots to use as garbage dumps. A big pile of garbage in front of Walmart might make people think twice before buying so much crap."
I can only imagine the "Miller the socialist" cries if they could, and they did.
And parking lots? Will the city rent the space from Walmart? Or will it be generously donated?
With regard to your point about convenience, I do, however, have to disagree. It seems to me -- and I can only say "seems" because I've yet to hear the city reveal the logic of the locations of the dumpsites -- that by offering 19 different sites, they are trying to reduce the distance people have to travel to use the mini dumps. Sure, I'm sure it's still inconvenient in general, but it's a relative matter. What if there was only one site? Wouldn't that be more inconvenient?
I don't want to play the role of the city's defender, but in the one part of the last paragraph that you don't quote, I think it's pretty clear that I'm trying to divine what logic informs its decision rather than claiming that the situation is actually convenient per se. For the city, coverage appears to equal convenience. But, as the protest shows, not all residents agree.
Take your "wet garbage" and keep it in the freezer until it's over.
Leave excess packaging at the supermarket when you're bagging your groceries, most businesses have private waste pick up.
Garbage dumps by the lake make sense, since it's easy access to removal when the time comes, but also with the rodent and insect problem..parks in residential neighbourhoods are not a good idea.
BTW, why is the only one by the lake at Sunnyside?
Where is one in the Beach?
Etobicoke has private pick up.
Toronto needs to look into that to avoid this in the future
Dump Miller!!!
IMPEACH
1. The city is not digging in its "heals;" it is digging in its heels.
2. Please make it clear whether you are really talking about "affecting" change (that is, having an effect on the change that's already taken place) or "effecting" change (that is, making the change, itself). I know which one you meant, but that is not the point. The point is to communicate.
I know this all sounds pedantic, but the point of language (and, yes, spelling) is to communicate effectively (note: not affectively). Doing so will only serve to strengthen your argument (and, also, it will make you look less pretentious or, at the very least, more justified in your pretension).
By the way, there can only be TWO alternatives ("alter" being the Latin word for "the other of two"). There can, however, be many options. In the future, please choose the one that says, "proper grammar and spelling."
(Note: Changes were made to the original post in accordance with this comment. D. F.)
Orkin has been contracted to spray the site regularly. Protestors stopped them this morning when a guy in a gas mask drove up to spray but wouldn't reveal what chemicals he would be applying. The city managers working the site say it's safe but refuse to provide details.
Now it's raining and the rink doesn't drain. That means about a foot of wet rotting garbage with pesticide, rodenticide, and various other chemicals leaching into the cement (which is porous), and eventually the surrounding area.
Knock yourself out protesting. Prevent the Orkin guy from spraying, and then, later, complain about the flies and the maggots... shoot yourself in the feet all you want. The fact is, that rink is unused until the winter, isn't right next to anyone's house, and is a perfectly fine place to store trash indefinitely. It's even enclosed, to keep the trash in and the raccoons out. Couldn't ask for a better location.
If you've got a set of better locations, let's see your map of trash storage areas. Let's see it!
Anyone who walks by can see that what you've written is a lie. The Christie Pits site was poorly chosen and affects many - not just those living within feet of the site.
Alternatives:
Municipal parking lots
School parking lots (closed for the summer)
Unused city land under the Gardiner
Industrial lands near streetcar yards
Personally, I don't see why the 19 community sites needed to be opened at all. We are only in the first week of this strike. People can reduce their waste and hang onto what they have for now. Failing that, they can drop their garbage at one of the transfer stations (those without cars can carpool, use an autoshare, or pool cash and employ an independent garbage removal service).
And I thought I was an overly anal English Specialist... goddamn. You're lucky there's no spelling mistakes for me to pounce on in your comments, Zoe ... SO FAR! :)
p.s. My condo corporation has done a fabulous job of keeping our building's outdoor bins privately serviced... just a small huzzah for the condo dwellers :)
Without highjacking this thread of comments by going too far into a discussion of grammar, I hope readers will permit me the latitude to make two points.
1. Rest assured, Zoe, that despite the immaculate grammar of your comment, you come off as hopelessly pretentious. I seriously question the motives of your comment, despite its paternalistic and didactic undertones.
2. Regarding "alternatives:" In addition to the excellent point that Corina makes, you might do well to read up on some linguistic theory (Bakhtin would be a good start). With all the stress you put on the importance of effective communication, your citation of the etymology of "alternate" is, at best, misguided. The centrifugal forces at work upon (and within) language dictate that the use of "alternatives" to mean "other options" is at little risk of being misunderstood. Although it may not be faithful to the origin of the word -- a point that Cornia draws into question -- it remains an example of effective (not affective!) communication.
That's why people need to be proactive and freeze the contents of their little green bins and wait to throw it away when this is all over.
I'll never understand why people have no sense of what's right and wrong
Why is it that garbage strikes bring out people's need to get rid of their waste, like, panicky-NOW-this-minute-or-I'll-choke-on-a-sea-of-my-own-waste? It's been one week! Come on, people! How about seriously trying to make less garbage? My household has a "large" size bin, and it's half full at the moment. (And I've got a kid in diapers right now! :) ) Don't we need to make serious efforts to reduce waste regardless of striking workers?
The nearest house to the Christie Pits location is over 100 feet away. The second nearest is about 150 feet away, the third nearest is maybe 300 feet away. There are just about zero locations in the city that can come anywhere close to that amount of separation.
I doubt you'll even see rodents. Raccoons can't get into or out of that rink at night, nor can mice, and even for rats it would be quite difficult.
Come on, I want naysayers to provide SPECIFIC LOCATIONS that are superior to the Christie Pits rink.
+1 to 'Got Trash'? Tell us where a better location is. Don't just tell me it's not your problem.
Google maps shows me there ARE two properties very close to the rink (which sucks), but I haven't seen a municipal parking lot that isn't closer to a building and closed off to raccoons either.
And tell us how you plan to get people's garbage there before you suggest the Port lands or Gardiner...
This sector of workers is not hard done by. The rest of us can only wish to be appreciated and compensated for their work as much as they are.
The problem is that it's hard to appreciate what you have while you have it.
It's a natural human defect.
I won't comment on the utility of using enclosed areas in parks as temporary dumpsites since, other than contracting out the removal of garbage to the dumpsite, I have no better ideas. However, I think that these people should also have signs blaming the union and not just the city council. The union has caused this mess and they have deliberately harrassd and hindered people from dumping at the initial drop-off points forcing the temporary sites to a large degree.
Council doesn't deserve all the blame alone, let us heap it on the union as well. Labour issues aside, the union doesn't have to illegally block city sites and harangue citizens who don't make contract decisions.
I am in love. Your post is like poetry to my eyes.
Let's get married and raise little pedants together. They will be, oh, so adorably and syntactically correct.
"for the 416 union to accept consessions(sic) would be a loss for the entire working class" How is that? The union already does better than the majority of the working class. How does public sector employee benefits help private sector workers? How would we be hurt?
Councilors should give back their COLA and all city unions should renegotiate new contracts with concessions (except non-union staff who just accepted the hit and are picking up the slack right now) - especially the lame police we have who do nothing and watch their union buddies bully the public illegally - blocking dumps, clean-up crews and allegedly physically assaulting at least one man, David Chung.
Our city is held hostage by one union after the other. It has nothing to do with socialism, so please ease up on that riff, this is pure, dyed in the wool, capitalist greed exhibited by these unions.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/658609
1) Solves your hassle
2) Proceeds to a great charity.
After this strike, all those who can will move to private removal companies...and with the angry responses from residents to their city councilor's perhaps even private contracts for residential pick up. Constantly holding the taxpayer over the barrel does not endear unions to the average person...most people can't empathize with your plight because they don't have jobs, or don't get half of what you do in the first place.
That whole "the man is holding us back" argument is old, and doesn't really hold water in a country where even the poorest of the poor and homeless live better than 70% of the rest of the world.
Get a grip.
Blaming the WORKERS is the wrong thing to do and AGAIN the garbage workers only consist of 1000 of the 24000 people on strike THIS IS ABOUT MORE THEN GARBAGE. It is wrong to attack the working people we are the ones who keep this city running. It is also against the law to replace us so again check the facts. We are alos the people who test your water,who run the arenas and rec centers for your kids,who run city hall as counsel cant run their meetings without the clerical staff,pot holes,water mains,street sweeping,gardening,ketting the needles and glass out of the sandboxes,snow removal,also thousands and thousands of proffesional including EMS workers engineers,city planers. I want to explain to you that the union is not asking for anything extra they do not want to give things that were negotiated for years and years. How can the city expect this when they have settled 5 different contracts and given counsel a raise. if you choose in your workplace to give in and let it happen that is your choice. By having a union it prevents the little guy from taking the hits. We also live in this city and pay taxes, it is alos very hard for us to succeed in this city. keep bashing the workers if it makes you feel better, you should be focusing on counsel who cant even run meetings without us meanwhile they are getting paid (including thier raise) to not even go to work
i'll take your job if you don't want it. i'll take it with no paid sick days. I'll run the meetings for people if you'd like. In this economy, I'll take what I can get. The counsel isn't holding the city hostage. You are.
And as for water testers, Walkerton showed how that can go. Snow removal is contracted out, our streets are in really bad shape, gardening is questionable, and I could go on. EMS does rock for the most part though.
The union is asking for more when the auditor-general says that the city's contracts are out of line with the rest of the municipalities. They already had too much and won't let it go. So more was already on the table. They are asking for more cost of living increases and all the other negotiations (hostage takings) were out of whack anyway.
As for the word "fair" you and the union toss around, that is a relative term and I ask you to define "fair". Fair as compared to what? Not having a job and paying more property tax to be poorly served and insulted?
maybe the next time you find work you will form a union to protect your rights. i worked in the private sector for 10 years before workong for the city and I once hurt my back(construction) I was let go with the excuse that there wasnt any work (this during the biggest boom ever) all because I hurt my back and was no longer valid to them. If you people want to work under those circumstances them by all means go ahead. I choose to be united and fight for workers rights
I will repeat: So much of this arguing is happening because people are fed up about the garbage issue. The resulting arguments (who is right and who is wrong, what the union does or does not deserve) is a result of peoples rational inability to respect a union who does not respect the people of Toronto. You want us to support you and give you the respect that you argue that you deserve? Then give the people respect, and let us deal with the mess we are in, because of BOTH parties, the city AND the union.
And re: "It is wrong to attack the working people we are the ones who keep this city running." Please. Feel free to argue that your jobs are important. They are. Running the parks, day care, garbage collection, etc.- no one needs to be reminded that these are important services. However once you take the stance that your jobs are MORE important than people in private sector, non-unionized jobs, you loose even more support. From the sounds of it, you seem to put yourselves above all other professions, unionized or not. Again, how does the union expect to get respect, when this is the sentiment that I have seen in many pro-union posts on here. You job is important. It is not more important than mine, no matter what I do.
Re: "I want to explain to you that the union is not asking for anything extra they do not want to give things that were negotiated for years and years." When I started my job, we got bonuses. It had always happened in the history of my company, for pretty much as long as anyone could remember. It was not contractual but it was an unwritten rule. Until the economy hit the shitter. No more bonuses. People weren't happy, but they understood. This is a sign of the times. Things change. Just because you were given something in the past when times were good does not entitle you to get it in the future.
I don't care if you have more or less I care that you're stopping services and preventing people from doing it themselves by picketing dump sites.
I care that you're claiming your working for workers rights when workers not in your goddamn union just want their garbage taken out, the services they pay taxes for.
I care that this is all in your own self interest and the public at large is just your leverage.
Economic downturn excuse? Tell that to the businesses that have folded and the people who've had to fired longtime loyal employees because they just can't afford it. Because I assure you it's not just "The Man" out to get you.
I worked without a union just fine until they came in and forced the management to give hours to seniority over skill, no matter how lazy and incompetent and rude they were, and with job security of course. I had practically no hours and had to leave anyways, and that place of business went to s**t. The union heads taking a cut of my paycheck weren't looking out for me.
Union Reps often care less about what they're doing than how they look to their members. They'll fight for the loudest and throw others who deserve to be protected under the bus.
A union is a business like any other.
If one of their members is on the verge of losing their home and has to cross the picket line, the union and other members will make them suffer more than any employer could.