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The Shops At Don Mills

Posted by Rick McGinnis / May 8, 2009

Shops At Don Mills"What do you think?" I'm waiting at the bus stop on my way home from a few hours wandering around the heavily-hyped but half open Shops At Don Mills when a friendly pensioner in a stylish cap guesses that I'm not from around here. Cadillac Fairview's demolition of the old Don Mills Centre had the neighbourhood in an uproar three years ago, and the bad blood still hasn't gone away, even after the debut of its replacement over two weeks ago.

"I don't like it," says the very friendly pensioner, who says that she lives down by the Science Centre, and used to come here all the time to meet friends. "I hope that Cadillac Fairview loses their shirt." The bus arrives, and just before we get on, my new friend tells me that I really should go see The Sound Of Music. "It's a really great show."

Opposition to the new shopping mall had two faces. The most vocal came from locals, many of them seniors, who were fond of the faded Don Mills Centre, and used it as a meeting place, but there was a smaller one that decried the demolition of a historic example of post-war suburban commercial architecture, even though the open air strip mall that E.P. Taylor opened in 1955 was roofed over in 1978, and it's the indoor mall that the seniors wanted to retain, for reasons that will probably be more obvious in mid-February than in the first balmy days of spring.

You'd think that the latter group will be thrilled with how C-F has paid tribute to a landmark '50s shopping mall with ... a retro '50s-styled shopping mall. Certainly, the new mall has gone out of the way to blend in with the neighbourhood, and architect Harry Pellow's streets of shops do a more than credible job echoing the fine space age modern public library on the other side of Lawrence East, and the low-rise apartment buildings lining Don Mills Road.

Retro curves an details at the Shops At Don MillsResponse from the connoisseurs of urbanism has been mixed, though, with Spacing magazine calling the new mall "well-intentioned" but "vaguely Disneyish." Pellow and C-F even saved a pair of graphic sculpture murals from the old mall, placing one on Lawrence next to where Mark McEwan's gourmet supermarket opens next month, and another in a breezeway near the entrance to their offices, and the streets of the new mall have been named after Don Mills notables such as the late Marie Labbatte, an area councillor, and Karl Fraser, the first CEO of the developer that built the original mall.

Two of the original mall's murals preserved at The Shops At Don MillsIt's probably a bit early to judge the Shops At Don Mills yet - only half of the stores are tenanted, though C-F expects to be up to nearly 90 percent by the fall. My pensioner friend complained about the lack of a food court - restaurants are roughly centred around the central park, which will make for pleasant al fresco dining for a third of the year at best - and a hardware store or gadget shop for the guys. There is a preponderance of shopping for the ladies, and the Anthropologie outlet, much anticipated in the months before the opening, was doing fine business on a weekday afternoon.

The new McNally Robinson bookstore at The Shops At Don MillsThe biggest hit for locals seems to be the McNally Robinson store, a two-story spearhead from the western bookseller into the heart of our Chapters-Indigo monopoly, which has been designed in what I can't help but call Post-War School Board. Prominently displayed in the store's windows are autographed copies of Lorne Miller's Our Don Mills: A Community Memoir, which devotes many pages and several photos to the old mall, whose resemblance to the new complex is, in spots, eerie. 1955 was a long time ago, as my pensioner friend could probably tell you, and while there was no shortage of gray hair strolling under Douglas Coupland's clock tower by the mall's tidy little park and fountain, the Shops At Don Mills probably isn't relying on them for its future, even though it uncannily resembles their past.
Back to the '50s with retro details at The Shops At Don Mills
Retro signage and details at The Shops At Don Mills
Supernova - Douglas Coupland's new clock tower at The Shops At Don Mills

Discussion

64 Comments

3m / May 8, 2009 at 01:22 pm
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it will be great when stores open and bus routes improve. not to mention the set of condos that are purported to come up there. for now, it's still a bit of a wasteland.
Born&RaisedInTO / May 8, 2009 at 01:28 pm
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wow...another suburban mall...yipee (boooooring!)
Anon / May 8, 2009 at 01:36 pm
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As someone who grew up in Don Mills, just off the Donway, I'm of mixed opinion about the new mall.

To me, it too closely resembles those ex-urban big box plazas, where people drive from chain store to chain store, and any real sense of community is annihilated. I don't think the intention of the developers was to serve locals, but rather to catch commuters on their way up Don Mills or the DVP. We'll have to see how that works.

The problem with the mall as it was (although it held nostalgia value, and was certainly nicer in mid-winter since there were indoor public spaces) was that it was used predominantly by seniors as a replacement community centre. They liked to take up seats without spending any money. Stores closed as a result.

There is a definite lack of places for local seniors to go to during the day. There is also little to appeal to the students of Don Mills Collegiate and other teens in the area. This is why Don Mills is a bedroom community and essentially dead. I would really like to see this area revitalised. Maybe if the local constituents finally vote out Dezil Minnan-Wong we'll see some progressive change.
muffy / May 8, 2009 at 02:02 pm
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I was skeptical about The Shops as well, but it is surprisingly walkable. There are a few small lots and "street" parking which gives the illusion of a quaint neighbourhood (emphasis on illusion: this is a nice idea, but feels forced). It's a definite improvement on the usual RioCan Power Centres though, where you have no choice but to drive from store-to-store due to the lack of covered walkways (which The Shops have) and the general layout (which is essentially a big "fuck you" to anyone who doesn't have a car).
jack / May 8, 2009 at 02:08 pm
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canadian malls are so boring.. and that's a reflection of canadian culture and its people.. anything that's more advanced or different is be frowned upon or discriminiated against.. and that's canada...until we change this attitude, we will always be the followers
chenyip / May 8, 2009 at 02:21 pm
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Um this mall is going to be housing McEwan's grocery store. Me thinky this is good idea.
Roger / May 8, 2009 at 03:03 pm
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Douglas Coupland's clock tower is an eyesore. He should stick to writing novels.
Albygiddeon replying to a comment from Anon / May 8, 2009 at 03:16 pm
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The new mall bears absolutely no resemblance to "ex-urban big box plazas." Seniors may not have a place to go after the mall closed, but they will after a community centre planned for phase 2 (or 3?) opens. The new mall, with it's open air sidewalks and green centre, is a welcome attraction to the community, which began transforming in a significant way about 10 years ago as young families began to replace the original Don Mills residents who moved there at the end of the 1950s. As one of those "newer" Don Mills residents, and as someone who now lives off the Donway, the new mall brings with it vibrant new commerce, public spaces and a sense of renewal Don Mills was ready for. For Canada's "first planned community" the mall may also be a bit too "planned," with its fake streets and Disneyfied village feel, but I still say hats off to Cadillac Fairview for reinventing a dying old commercial space in the heart of one of this city's most interesting and successful urban experiments.
Anon replying to a comment from Albygiddeon / May 8, 2009 at 03:29 pm
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Nice try, Cadillac Fairview Representative.
DS replying to a comment from muffy / May 8, 2009 at 03:37 pm
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Muffy I'm with you on this. I walked through The Shops last week and thought that it was a huge improvement on the outdoor power centre by Rio Can that we're used to.

I'd love it more if there were residential units above the shops, which would have fostered a proper sense of community in the area. The Shops has got to be an eerie place in the middle of the night, with the lack of humanity around it outside of business hours.

DJ / May 8, 2009 at 03:42 pm
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I'm glad to see a more walkable formula being attempted in our inner suburbs. I like the smaller scale and after a while the design of the place probably won't feel so "contrived".

One of the reasons that malls were originally successful - I'm talking 1970s here - is that they had a mix of different types of shops. You need the small hardware store, the grocer, the toy store, the art store, and every other oddball store to achieve the one-stop-shopping formula.

Why do people shop at the much disliked Walmart? Because you only have so much time and you can get everything at one stop. Why is Pacific Mall so wildly popular? It has every kind of shop imaginable, achieves one stop shopping, and each shop is a small scale as well.

No one needs another snooty mall full of women's designer fashion and home decor. We have lots of those already. The mix of stores has to reflect everyday life.




Heather / May 8, 2009 at 03:42 pm
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I'm a huge fan of open malls. I got use to them when I was living in Perth. Where they don't get snow 6 months a year and run pretty light on precipitation in general.

I think this will be a great mall in the warmer months. Not a place I'd want to go as soon as the temperatures drop below 5..
Albygiddeon replying to a comment from Anon / May 8, 2009 at 03:55 pm
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Yeah... OK. That's such a typical response to someone who doesn't automatically dump on a corporation. So fresh! I know so many people like you who grew up in Don Mills, moved to their parents basement for a few years and then left the neighbourhood. Which begs the question, why would you want to see the area revitalized if you think it's nother more than "a bedroom community and essentially dead"? Have you even been to Don Mills lately? And what would you do to revitalize it? It's thriving and unique community that is a stone's throw from downtown. I wouldn't live anywhere else in Toronto ... Finally, you should educate yourself: Denzil Minnan-Wong is disliked in Don Mills as he is anywhere else.
Brandon S / May 8, 2009 at 04:00 pm
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This mall is very reminiscent of Fashion Island in California.
I drove around it at night to check out this new tactic. The issue is that Toronto does not have the same climate as Newport Beach. Imagine having to Christmas shop at a glorified strip mall? The biggest issue is it's step-up. There should not be vechicle traffic at all! It will only cause pedestrian accidents. If they were going to base it on California's Fashion Island outdoor mall, they should have kept the similar design of only foot traffic. Looks like we have another Kensington Market traffic issue on our hands.
Albygiddeon replying to a comment from Brandon S / May 8, 2009 at 04:11 pm
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Unfortunately, the Shops are a bit more Yorkville than they are Kensington. Maybe in 50 years, when Kensington goes full Yorkville, we can make that comparison...
jt / May 8, 2009 at 04:14 pm
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yay more privatized public space created to reinforce consumerism!

I simply cant wait till they build something atrocious on the site of the Bata Building.
W. K. Lis / May 8, 2009 at 05:38 pm
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There should be a library and an indoor community centre for seniors just to meet, sit, and talk.
Kam / May 8, 2009 at 09:34 pm
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I'm 34 and I've lived in Don Mills all of my life. I like what I've seen so far at the Shops but I'm skeptical about how things will be in the winter. I think it's a vast improvement over the old mall which had nostalgia value for me, but had become a decrepit eyesore, particularly since the Eaton's closure.

I find a lot of the comments criticizing Cadillac Fairview which reference "the seniors" to be disingenuous. If these people are isolated, with few meeting places and covered facilities in the winter I think it is entirely the community's fault for not pushing for transit and indoor public space solutions. It's dishonest to sound so concerned about these elderly residents, then decry a private shopping mall developer for not providing these public resources. We as a community are more to blame for their predicament than CF.

Finally I take issue with the description of the McNally Robinson bookstore's design as "post war school board". There is a distinct Frank Lloyd Wright influence in there - much more "prairie school" rather than "school board".
Eglinton / May 9, 2009 at 04:57 pm
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It's cute. I love how walkable it is, and that there aren't huge parking lots separating the stores.
Reality Check / May 9, 2009 at 06:31 pm
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We wouldn't have to privatise public space if we could actually have reasonable restrictions on public space. You'll note where and when the unpleasant aspects of the PATH are - where it becomes public or TTC space.

The funny thing is that the leftist hipsters are reacting like this is some sort of new type of mall or that it's replacing public space. It's a mall reno, so no difference from before, just a try to actually have a successful mall. It's also following a number of malls across the US moving to an urban feel - City Walk in LA being a major example, with redevelopments in Denver and Texas. It's been happening for more than ten years since the traditional mall format is pretty much dead.

The complaints from the seniors are nothing but malicious. They are trying to demand free entertainment from private corporations. If they spent money they would have businesses that cater to them, but they don't. NIMBYs and hampering people trying to run businesses - truly vicious evil people.
Eric S. Smith replying to a comment from Kam / May 9, 2009 at 11:12 pm
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I'm going to agree with Mr. McGinnis: that band of opaque teal panels says "public school" to me, and the image of the open book over the doors kind of cinches it.
Bad_Self replying to a comment from Roger / May 16, 2009 at 11:34 am
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I think it is fun and interesting in it's dance with irony. Some cynics could say it is a testament to cookie-cutter conformity and suburbanism (Don Mills being the original planned community suburb), or a nostalgic love for a simple youthful days spent in ranch houses. But anything that is not ironic (let alone a subtle analysis of it, itself) is tough to understand for many pseudo-arty hipsters today...
Bad_Self replying to a comment from Heather / May 16, 2009 at 11:39 am
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There's one (outdoor "lifestyle" mall) in West Van that works okay for the people there (my moms). But they have nice bars and cafés that aren't cookie-cutter crap (alongside the obligatory Milestones and Cactus Club). Can't say the same for Don Mills though. Well maybe when Macewen opens up (still bummed he didn't open downtown - we need that kinda thing so bad here!)
EK / May 16, 2009 at 03:43 pm
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What an absolute flop of a design. This new shopping centre is exactly what the area does not need. I am of the younger generation who grew up in Don Mills and now has returned to it. It was always evident that Cadillac Fairview did not have the best interests of the residents in mind when they were building the shops at Don Mills. On a rainy Saturday like today, I would have happily gone over there for a walk if it was an indoor facility, but it is pointless. What would I do there now? Buy expensive womens clothes? Have lunch at one of the many expensive/over priced restaurants? When Starbucks opens,along with the McNally Robinson bookstore, there will be two stores to go there for.
The Shops at Don Mills will go down as a shining example of corporate greed and arrogance.
Proud Don Miller / May 17, 2009 at 12:04 pm
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The revised Shops at Don Mills are exactly what this area needs. Anyone who has roots to this community can appreciate and remember what the Mall use to be. This has been a much long overdue renovation. It's much more than a mall, it's a meeting place for coffee, lunch, and if you incline, shopping. It's for not just the folk around Don Mills, but all of Toronto. It has many of the same stores as the rest of the Malls around T.O. Don't complain about the high cost of the pricetags, this is Toronto for you. If you don't like, or can't afford than go shop or have coffee somewhere else. Don't come up from Flemington and complain, you have your own Mall tailored to your needs. Don't feel bad for the Seniors, the Mall isn't suppose to be a baby sitter. This is the best retirement area around, Mall or no Mall. There are coffee shops and places to sit outside enjoy the summer sun, shop for grandchildren. Did you prefer a Car dealership before? Stop complaining, enjoy that Don Mills has been put on the map as a great area to live work and play, all thanks to C.F. Anyone who doesn't like it, move out and allow those who have an appreciation and good taste to move in.
EK replying to a comment from Proud Don Miller / May 17, 2009 at 12:51 pm
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Coffee shops? What coffee shops? There will be a Starbucks, but there is one little tea store now. As I said, I grew up in the area, rode my bike through the old open centre when I was a kid and remember when it was enclosed. I moved back to Don Mills to be a few minutes walk from the mall due to the convenience of it. This was, of course, just before they tore it down.
Don Mills is an upper, middle class area, but certainly not as upper class as the stores in the mall would indicate. Before CF killed all the retailers in the old mall, there were smaller store owners who had long term ties to the community. Of those, only Ko's is now left.
No one disagreed that the mall needed some serious changes. It was old and tired and needed to be modernized. However, this idiotic design was certainly not what was needed.
DMRI sold out the residents of Don Mills in a huge way. Cora Urbel must be spinning in her grance.
Proud Don Miller / May 17, 2009 at 07:46 pm
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EK. There are more coffee shops to come. Statistically the average household income in the Don Mills is $180,000. Sacks 5th Avenue didn't move in. The majority of the shops are the same as in the Eaton's Centre, Yorkdale, Fairview, etc,. This Mall isn't nearly as upscale as it could have been. Maybe you do you do all your shopping at Wallmart, prefer your coffee from MacDonalds and, maybe you couldn't afford to move back to Don Mills and are just mad that there's no dollar store anymore. The DMRI worked tiredlessly with CF to create this great Mall, shame on you for putting down all their hard effort. The Mall is here to stay in all its grace and glory. I'm a big fan of everything they have created and preserved. There will always be people like you complaining about something or other... C'est la vie.
EK replying to a comment from Proud Don Miller / May 22, 2009 at 10:41 am
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Wow, Don Miller. Nice cheap shots there. Don't actually ever recall there being a Wal-mart in the area. I do remember the Zellers that used to be here though.
A little more research would help you though. Instead of reading Cadillac Fairview propaganda, it is better to look at the REAL numbers and get a feel for what Don Mills is actually about. The average income in Don Mills is actually $137,063 according to the latest census figures. More tellingly, and more importantly, the Median income is $96,203. The majority of Don Mills residents earn less than $100,000. So your figures are 50%-100% too high. Are you sure you live in Don Mills?
DMRI worked tirelessly? Worked tirelessly to give CF EVERYTHING they asked for, including all of the changes that were made to the Central Don Mills Secondary Plan. There was no thought given to traffic, which has already exceeded the designed amount for Don Mills and Lawrence. No protection given to the elderly or disabled in the community. The only thing that DMRI has asked for is a promise of a Community Centre at some point in the future. A promise from Cadillac Fairview that is worth absolutely nothing. CF got everything they wanted. DMRI has gained the residents of the community absolutely nothing.


KL replying to a comment from Proud Don Miller / May 22, 2009 at 11:26 am
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I have to agree with Proud Don Miller. The fact of the matter is that this area is changing fast and drastically. The original owners are now elderly and are being replaced by A LOT younger people (some starting families). The reality is that this centre was designed for the young. I live in the Wynford area (which is very close) and work near "the Shops". Finally an outdoor space with great shops! Of course as with anything new there needs to be some "tweaking" done. Overall I think it's great, and can't wait for the rest of the shops to open.
Don Mills - Don L. / May 22, 2009 at 12:28 pm
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I see lots of criticisms here but not much in the way of valuable input. No one really giving suggestions on what they should have done with this space. I think it's a fairly fresh new concept. I live near the intersection of Don Mills and Lawrence. Chef Mcewan picked a good spot. All the Bentleys and Land Rovers will roll in there back and forth from the DVP and the Bridle Path.
Media Images / May 22, 2009 at 01:00 pm
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I used to go the old mall on occasion, at the end it was just an eye sore. Something needed to be done, and this what they did, live with it or just don't shop there. It is a much better looking than the atrocity that was left standing. I won't be shopping there, not big on retail chain stores. Well except for one, McNally Robinson. And if the best the community can do for their seniors is leave them in a mall to spend their days, there is something for more wrong with society then the corporation whose job is it to make MONEY. It is the community that needs to look after the seniors not conglomerates. If the community would have cared enough to be involved a senior centre would be built already through the Government and local fundraising events and not except some money grubbing corporation to do it, people are not that naive are they?
Villager / May 24, 2009 at 12:44 am
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I really disagree with all the skeptics. I feel it selfish for YOU to claim that this mall is awful. How about all the people who WELCOME this new mall? I really enjoyed it, especially on a sunny day. It's so warm and such a breath of fresh air (literally and figuratively) compared to shopping in a crowded indoor mall like yorkdale or eaton centre. The stores are great, but this mall is really worth going because of the atmosphere. That's the point. If you don't like the ambience of this place, you must be a boring, stay-at-home person. The FREE parking garage is great for those who drive. My ONLY criticsm is that they should have added more unisex apparel (too women-geared) and more food outlets. I know Cadillac is trying to go for a more upscale feel, but there are tons of cheaper "fast-food" restaurants Im sure fit the Shops Profile. Like Freshii, HERO burgers, maybe a sushi bar, etc. More cafes would be nice too. Overall, I like it and I'm looking forward to returning
EK / May 24, 2009 at 01:50 pm
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I don't recall anyone saying that there were not changes needed to the old mall or that it should stay the way it was. There was a LOT of input given to Cadillac Fairview in the years prior to the demolition of the mall. The residents did actively try to work with CF to create something that would work for the community and be profitable to CF, and it appeared that CF was interested in their input. However, CF chose to go their own way at the last minute and build something totally inappropriate for the area.

I agree totally that it is a nice place to sit and walk now. I am an avid walker and I have made a trip through the plaza as part of my regular routine.

However, does everyone forget that Toronto gets a LOT of inclement weather? Will the people who love it so much right now also love it so much in mid-February when it is -20 outside and snowing? Will you still sit out on the benches when the cold November rains come? Will you chose to go to Don Mills on a snowy, slushy December day, or will you enjoy the warmth of Fairview then? It has been evident already that the success of the new center is extremely weather dependent. A walk or drive by on a rainy day shows a half empty parking lot.

No one disagrees that something needed to be done. However, was this really the best possible design for a shopping center in Toronto?
sean deas / May 27, 2009 at 08:53 pm
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Everyone that opposes this new mall is boring and needs to get with the times.I think this mall is beautiful and much needed in this part of the city. The intersection before the renovation was an eyesore and pretty ghetto. How many indoors malls do we need in the city? Cadillac Fairview did an amazing job with the design and concept. I manage one of the shops at the mall and have been talking to the community about what they think, the responses are very mixed. Everyone wonders what will happen come winter, well cadiallac fairview has invested a lot of time and money into this space, they have heated the sidewalks in front of all the store so walking in the snow will not be a problem. The green area will also convert into a skating rink for the community and family winter fun. We have only been open a month and yet there have been firework displays, a circus,a concert and loads of family fun, not even close to what the old mall was doing for the community. Everyone need to accept the change and just enjoy it cause its only going to get better.
mr walker replying to a comment from Born&RaisedInTO / May 28, 2009 at 08:28 pm
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whats wrong with you?? it ain't your typical mall....are you blind. one things for sure you must be booooring.
Can't believe the ignorance replying to a comment from EK / May 28, 2009 at 10:01 pm
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You really sound like an idiot to be honest. The new mall has so much history about the surronding community than any other mall in the city. All the retailers arent even finished opening, why don't you calm down and give it a chance. If anyone is to blame its the community for letting the old mall get so run down and old. A mall is not a meeting place but somewhere to shop...too many people meeting and talking not shopping forced all the shops to close down. The people in the community should have had a fundraiser to to support the seniors if that was the big concern why is it Cadiallac Fairview's responsibility. All I have to say is if you don't like it don't go, but why do you have to bash a beautifuly designed place to shop and experience the don mills community. I'll b there rain or shine summer or winter.
Marc Garneau / May 29, 2009 at 01:29 am
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The mall is just fine! A little too high end for the area, but that will slowly change for the BETTER. I grew up in flemo and i now would like the get a place near shops at Don Mills. Now to the person crying about how Toronto gets cold in Feb. And complaining about walking outside to shop. Listen, if it gets cold outside you should put on a JACKET!!! and if it's raining you should bring an UMBRELLA!!! Stop COMPLAINING!!!. Toronto has good weather for 10 of the 12 months.
Lennor / May 29, 2009 at 02:22 pm
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Thank you, E.K., for the excellent comments and replies you posted on this blog. As you probably know, most Don Mills residents agree with you.
Many of the replies you received are arrogant and demonstrate a clear lack of consideration for the community, which is typical C.F. style. It is obvious that C.F. is desperately trying to save its image with some ridiculous arguments.
On the entrance doors of the old Don Mills mall, there was a sign, “Proudly managed by C.F.” – the mall was managed by C.F., not by the community. It is C.F. that ran the mall down, no one else.
As for the comment from.........., "Malls are not places to meet, they are places to shop," -- the people who were meeting in the old mall were also shopping there. At least the stores in the old mall were always busy, unlike the new "Shops," where C.F. is organizing special events to attract customers from all over the city. But even if people come for the events, they don't necessarily shop here. Most of the time, the stores are empty.
I only wonder how long it will take for C.F. to face reality and admit that the concept was wrong.

can't believe the ignorance replying to a comment from Lennor / May 29, 2009 at 07:07 pm
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The new mall has only been open a month and i can't believe all the ignorant people that won't even give it a chance. I really thought this community was friendly but after reading all these arguments I must say that their obviously outdated and impatient. What do you mean by "saving their image"?...if anything they're getting more respect from the people who appreciate style and have respect for the community. Yes the door did say "managed by CF" but they managed it not shopped there and obviously the mall wasnt doing well if they tore it down, and as for sayin the stores aren't busy....well i run a shop at the new mall and for your informantion im exceeding my budgets. CF will not admit their idea was wrong because its NOT!!.This is something we needed in this part of the city if you don't like it go 5mins north to fairview Mall, but let me tell you your missing out on an amazing new concept. Is this really something to get this upset over,I don't understand why there is so much negativity, its not even finished yet. I really can't believe how unappreciated and ignorrant some of you people are.
Dawn M. Nevills replying to a comment from can't believe the ignorance / May 29, 2009 at 11:17 pm
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...best of luck with your business, Lenorr. Someone will always hate it when you succeed. It means they have no excuse, even in the most dire of circumstances, to not realize THEIR goals.

Then you have people like me: who empower, respect YOUR goals for YOU, and not THEIR goals for YOU - which is sometimes very different, and speaks of a need to control someone, not help them along their own path, in a way they have indicated is indicative of respectful, not patronizing, assistance - and share joy AT that success - because it takes that, for all of us to keep trying, in our own worlds. Way to go - and don't let anyone ruin something sweet in your life - even if it's just a moment you always imagined.....God Bless.
Val / May 31, 2009 at 05:06 am
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Last time when I went to Shops at Don Mills with my mom, we were being ignored by these young ladies riding those 2 wheel standup scooters; they were handing out CF promos/pamphlets for Shops at Don Mills, so my mom and I observed why they decided not offer us any of the promos/pamphlets, you know why because we weren't carrying a parcel(s) from Coach, Eddie Bauer, Calvin Klein,...
Plus there was another incident where I went into Coach(on Grand Opening Day) and I got this cold reception/no greeting from the sales staff. Is it because I was too dressed down in my Roots attire/or is it because I'm a visible minority who doesn't have the money to buy a little change purse for $625? I felt like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman; remember that scene where she went into that high class store to purchase something but they did not want her in the store because of her looks, but later in the week she came back all dressed up and she went back into that store and asked the sales ladies "you guys work on commission? big mistake" and she walked out of the store; I think I will replay that scene if I ever win the lottery. You see never judge by the way how a person looks/dressed because you never know how much money that person has got in his/her pocket.
Yes Don Miller I do shop at Walmart, Dollarama(dollar store) and I love my carrot muffins at McDonald's, but I'm also addicted to my tall extra hot vanilla latte at Starbucks and I'm a big fan of Roots, Sephoria, Park Hyatt Hotel Stillwater Spa and Big Carrot(organic supermarket); you see Don I'm low and high maintenance.
What the residence of Don Mills really want is variety, the same variety that you see at the Eaton Center, Scarborough Town Center, Fairview Mall and Yorkville, yes Yorkville because Yorkville doesn't just have Gucci, Coach and Chanel; but they also have Body Shop, Gap, Roots...(low and middleclass stores). The only stores that will be doing good business at the Shops at Don Mills are the restaurants, food stores, Mark McCewan and the bookstore.
And I miss the old Don Mills Center it was so warm, community oriented and it was always busy. Plus, Don Mills Center was a favourite for young, low, middleclass.
ITTOD / June 5, 2009 at 12:40 am
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No music store?
Geoff / June 29, 2009 at 03:31 pm
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Without wading too much into the seniors / demographics debate, I think that one thing people need to acknowledge is that Don Mills is an expensive and in demand area. Houses routinely sell for between $450 - 600K and this is for homes around 1500 sq ft. A median income of near $100K is way over the average income for all of Canada. While the seniors may not have a ton of bucks, some do. I actually quite like the Shops of Don Mills and hoping it will fail is actually quite foolish if one lives in the neighbourhood if you think about it. But yeah -- do agree some stores for guys would be good -- sony store, EB, even some kind of boutique futureshop.. where are you guys?
Marti / August 3, 2009 at 08:55 am
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I have to say I like this outdoor shopping shopping centre. I was mixed at first, but, having been there a number of times since it's opening, I'm liking it more and more. The stores are a little more upscale and it certainly isn't crowded like many of the large indoor shopping malls. Love McEwan, McNally Robinson, BCBG, great restaurants to boot. I also enjoy the live music on the weekends. Grab a bench, eat your roti, and enjoy. The area needed a facelift and this is what we got. It is unfortunate that seniors feel that this is not a place for them. It could be in time - just give it a try.
Marti replying to a comment from Val / August 3, 2009 at 02:03 pm
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It's unfortunate that you feel you were ignored but I have to question why you are so defensive about it. I suspect there was no malicious intent on anyone's part. Perhaps people in general take things too personally when really it's not about us. I like the idea that stores are a little more upscale but not over the top. Perhaps this shopping destination isn't intended to cater to all income levels and there is nothing wrong with that. Fairview is just up the street if shoppers are looking for more variety.
build it elsewhere. replying to a comment from Reality Check / September 14, 2009 at 06:42 am
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the prolonged worldwide recession and the end of supply-side economics means this kind of mall won't last. If you want a real outdoor mall make it like bloor, college, little portugal or little italy with rooms for rent above the stores, not some strange hybrid of snobby yorkville stores with kensington neighbourhood traffic jams. and what about making the neighbourhood affordable to people of all incomes, not just people from the Bridle path? Edwards gardens was better before the botanical gardens, when it had a real country feel not the sliding glass doors like a hospital institition.
build it elsewhere. replying to a comment from Marc Garneau / September 14, 2009 at 07:04 am
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there are too many corporate shills on this blog. If this mall was for the young, where are the music stores, the skateboard stores, and the fast food? the mall was not designed for the young OR the old. too many high end stores is like taking too much medicine. It is just another corporate experiment too bad it will kill the neighbourhood in the process. who owns Flemingdon park mall at 747 don mills? look what happened there after it became an "outdoor" mall
build it elsewhere replying to a comment from Marti / September 14, 2009 at 07:09 am
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if you think fairview mall is "just up the street" then why did cadilac fairview give you a shuttle bus to their stores up there instead of trusting you will faithfully walk for an hour or drive everytime you need something? I don't think you live in the neighbourhood.
build it elsewhere / September 14, 2009 at 07:28 am
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Some mall builders do not know what they are doing. if they did, they would not run from neighbourhood to neighbourhood, after making a mess of things. If cadillac fairview thought don mills residents were low income, they would ignore us all and let the neighbourhood die. trust me. look at flemingdon mall.
Marti replying to a comment from build it elsewhere / September 14, 2009 at 08:50 am
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Take it easy - Fairview isn't that far in the grand scheme of things. Many malls provide shuttle buses as a convenience and to encourage the customer to shop so this isn't a new concept. And yes, I live in the neighbourhood - York Mills/Don Mills. I have walked to both malls... imagine that!!
LLOYD HEWITT / December 12, 2009 at 05:48 am
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The Stores that now occupy Don Mills are over priced and geared only toward the upper class people living on the bridle path and post road district. The mostly elderly people who live close by cannot afford the prices in these new stores. Cadillac Fairview is only in this for the big bucks . Do not permit them to do the same thing to over malls in the area such as Parkway Mall or Parkwoods Plaza,
John Blair replying to a comment from LLOYD HEWITT / December 30, 2009 at 01:52 pm
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Mr. Hewitt is absolutely correct! The 'shopsatdonmills' is a blight on the Don Mills landscape and not welcome in our community. Cadillac Fairview promised us a new indoor mall, and then did an about-face to put up this monstrosity. It is sadly ironic that the only worthwhile "shop" in the place (McNally Robinson) has already gone. It's all about greed, nothing more. And I am not a senior.
LLoyd Hewitt replying to a comment from John Blair / December 30, 2009 at 06:44 pm
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I didnot mean to exclude other people when I was talking about senior citizens I was including all age groups.
Janet / January 17, 2010 at 10:40 am
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One word...WEATHER

My mother used to live across the road. She's moved to Niagara-on-the-Lake now. Friday was her 85th birthday. She wanted to see the new mall, so my brother and I drove to Toronto to show her. After working hard to get parking, we walked in about a block. The wind howled through our coat, we did an about-face, went back to the warm car and went to Eglington Sq. (which I hate, but it was warm and we wanted a light quick lunch only as we had a larger dinner planned).

I would like the shops on a sunny day when it is not cold, not hot, not raining, not snowing, not humid....and not so expensive. Other than that it was fine.

Long drive for a big disappointment.
Denise / January 18, 2010 at 04:45 pm
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I frankly am sick of hearing all the disgruntled people out there complaining about the Shop on Don Mills. Granted, I live in the neighbourhood and the promise of a new mall was the key reason why I moved here. I'm in my early thirties, and my husband and I have a house. We have enjoyed seeing our property value go up significantly within two years time because of the mall. There is wealth in the area if you look beyond the apartment buildings. Don Mills is now an affluent area (look at the house prices on MLS - single detached homes go for over half a million to $700,000). There is a reason why Cadillac Fairview decided to put an upscale mall there -- also, Leaside, York Mills, Bridle Path are all within a 5-10mins drive. As for the cold weather argument, what's the difference between walking around the Shops and walking along Bloor or Yorkville? You still see people strolling around in the dead of winter, yet the stores there somehow manage to survive. I love the Shops and wish it continued success. It's about time this neighbourhood was re-vitalized. Change is good - embrace it!
Marlene replying to a comment from 3m / January 23, 2010 at 06:25 pm
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Love the mall, but the Starbucks needs to hire more staff. I'm a Starbuck's "addict" and know lots of Bucks in town...this one is great, but wayyyyyyy toooooooooo slow.
Janet / January 23, 2010 at 07:55 pm
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When I worked at Bay and Bloor I would shop at Bay and Bloor on my lunch hour. Would I "drive" to Bay/Bloor on a weekend to shop, not in the winter I wouldn't, but yes on a lovely sunny day. Same with the Shops at Don Mills. I would expect that at the end of year one they will find that their summer sales surpass their winter sales considerably. And, that's fine if they are fine with that!

I hate strip malls for two reasons: they are unattractive, and they require going outside to enter each store. This is not a strip mall, it is fairly attractive (I'm not overwhelmed, but it's truly not that bad to look at)....but, it is still outside. So, I either wear a really warm coat on brisky days, and overheat in the stores, or wear a light coat on the brisky days, and shiver between stores.

It is an experimental mall for this climate. I hope it doesn't fail (people's jobs are at stake), but I wouldn't be surprised that down the road a big roof ends up being built overtop when they realize that people don't like shopping outside in inclement weather.
LLOYD HEWITT / June 13, 2010 at 06:59 pm
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EXACTLY TO THE POINT.
Paul / July 23, 2010 at 05:06 pm
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I too harbour doubts about the survivability of the Shops of Don Mills in its current state. People will vote with their feet, so let's not make verbal cons or pros. I went to the Shops on a Saturday this summer, when it was sunny, beautiful weather. Surely, there were a good number of people there, but I would not describe it as extraordinarily busy. Compare, however, the somewhat nearby and also upscale Bayview Village, and you will see it is much busier on a similar Saturday. For an even bigger contrast, compare them during the winter.

One area of concern to Cadillac Fairview should be the ill feeling that they have created with a large part of the local community, the same community that one would expect to would form the largest customer base for this mall.

Just because a mall is indoor does not automatically make its design boring. Hazleton Lanes is a good example of an indoor, upscale downtown mall. While it is a smaller boutique mall, it doesn't fit the mould of the other malls in the city. Before they put a roof over the "courtyard" and called it "Whole Foods", this space used to become a skating rink in the winter and provided patio space for the mall's restaurants in the summer. I even wonder if this was the inspiration for the outdoor waterpark and skating rink at the Shops.

I admit that the Shops do look attractive and is an improvement over the awkward assortment of additions of the former Don Mills Shopping Centre. I think some retail such as McEwan and the LCBO will continue to do well, but on the whole, I am still skeptical. Time will tell.
Marc / July 23, 2010 at 06:36 pm
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At least it's a change. It is more opened up both in terms of concept but also design and accessibility. If it was another typical stereotypical suburban mall, then it would be that big-block boring look that just sits there and is so closed off and cold. The typical mall format is starting to lessen in value and favour, and is proving to not have longevity, especially when economic times are harder - or even when it's not. Just go to youtube.com and search "dead malls." Scary stuff.

The Shops at Don Mills, I feel, is somewhere in the middle of a mall and a high (or main) street format. But still, nothing ever beats the classic "high street" format, which is so basic. That is why older Toronto areas continue to thrive. Suburbs can have the common sense high-street format too, but the Canadian cities have screwed up big time with this. The Shops format is actually what many places in the USA are producing in the more socially-cosmopolitan aware places there ("de-malling"). These are places that are getting back to the roots of real cities and towns and its true format.
MP / July 27, 2010 at 09:37 am
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Those of you concerned about the fate of the Parkwoods Village Shopping Centre should attend the community meeting happening on Thursday, July 28, 7-9 pm, at the Westin Prince Hotel, 900 York Mills Rd., in the Crown Room. The developer will be presenting revised plans, and planning staff will be there to answer questions.

This is from the original proposal, submitted in 2008:
"The applicant is proposing to demolish the existing plaza, gas station and car wash and redevelop the site with 1,047 dwelling units in 6 apartment buildings ranging in height from 10 to 21 storeys. The proposal also includes 3,716 m2 of retail uses and a medical office."

You can find the original proposal if you do a search for the terms "parkwoods", "application", and "site:toronto.ca" (the last term restricts the search to City of Toronto pages).
MP / July 27, 2010 at 09:46 am
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I forgot to mention that the North York Community Council will be making a decision on the revised application for the Parkwoods Village Shopping Centre on August 17th.
Lloyd Hewitt / July 28, 2010 at 08:53 am
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Is this going to turn into another Shops At Don Mills fiasco with overpriced stores that no one in the neighbourhood can afford to shop at? And also thingk about what is going to been done to the 87 town ghouses on the east side of Victoria Park Avenue, they are to be demolished in the next 2 years and replaced by 3 16 story condominium buildings 67 stacked town houmes and a 13 story rental building.
carol / June 10, 2011 at 07:53 pm
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Tha Mall centre court is wonderful in the summer and there have been many great concets/events held there. My husband and I have enjouued a host of them. Last year's fireworks
spectactular along woth the Big Band musio was seocnd to none. The Remembrance Day Services celebrated by Fr Morkel of the Church of the Ascension assisted by honorable veterans of our community were most memorable and the weather was spectaclur as well.
The lighting of the Christmas tree at centre on cold cripsy nights with wondferul entertainment was truly Canadian.

The reception in many of the stores by staff was not nice or we were completey ignored! We don't return.
The restaurnants were good but very expensive, not so bad food wise bot one visit was enough. We don't return.
There is no place to buy Ice Cream on a hot summer day..so we don't return.

Good luck to you when ALL the condos CF was counting finally get built.
Maybe the promised community centre will get built.

I'm not sure if this commuinity was really ready for
'The Shops of Don Mills'.

Regards,

Carol Hamilton

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