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The Shops At Don Mills
"What do you think?" I'm waiting at the bus stop on my way home from a few hours wandering around the heavily-hyped but half open Shops At Don Mills when a friendly pensioner in a stylish cap guesses that I'm not from around here. Cadillac Fairview's demolition of the old Don Mills Centre had the neighbourhood in an uproar three years ago, and the bad blood still hasn't gone away, even after the debut of its replacement over two weeks ago.
"I don't like it," says the very friendly pensioner, who says that she lives down by the Science Centre, and used to come here all the time to meet friends. "I hope that Cadillac Fairview loses their shirt." The bus arrives, and just before we get on, my new friend tells me that I really should go see The Sound Of Music. "It's a really great show."
Opposition to the new shopping mall had two faces. The most vocal came from locals, many of them seniors, who were fond of the faded Don Mills Centre, and used it as a meeting place, but there was a smaller one that decried the demolition of a historic example of post-war suburban commercial architecture, even though the open air strip mall that E.P. Taylor opened in 1955 was roofed over in 1978, and it's the indoor mall that the seniors wanted to retain, for reasons that will probably be more obvious in mid-February than in the first balmy days of spring.
You'd think that the latter group will be thrilled with how C-F has paid tribute to a landmark '50s shopping mall with ... a retro '50s-styled shopping mall. Certainly, the new mall has gone out of the way to blend in with the neighbourhood, and architect Harry Pellow's streets of shops do a more than credible job echoing the fine space age modern public library on the other side of Lawrence East, and the low-rise apartment buildings lining Don Mills Road.
Response from the connoisseurs of urbanism has been mixed, though, with Spacing magazine calling the new mall "well-intentioned" but "vaguely Disneyish." Pellow and C-F even saved a pair of graphic sculpture murals from the old mall, placing one on Lawrence next to where Mark McEwan's gourmet supermarket opens next month, and another in a breezeway near the entrance to their offices, and the streets of the new mall have been named after Don Mills notables such as the late Marie Labbatte, an area councillor, and Karl Fraser, the first CEO of the developer that built the original mall.
It's probably a bit early to judge the Shops At Don Mills yet - only half of the stores are tenanted, though C-F expects to be up to nearly 90 percent by the fall. My pensioner friend complained about the lack of a food court - restaurants are roughly centred around the central park, which will make for pleasant al fresco dining for a third of the year at best - and a hardware store or gadget shop for the guys. There is a preponderance of shopping for the ladies, and the Anthropologie outlet, much anticipated in the months before the opening, was doing fine business on a weekday afternoon.
The biggest hit for locals seems to be the McNally Robinson store, a two-story spearhead from the western bookseller into the heart of our Chapters-Indigo monopoly, which has been designed in what I can't help but call Post-War School Board. Prominently displayed in the store's windows are autographed copies of Lorne Miller's Our Don Mills: A Community Memoir, which devotes many pages and several photos to the old mall, whose resemblance to the new complex is, in spots, eerie. 1955 was a long time ago, as my pensioner friend could probably tell you, and while there was no shortage of gray hair strolling under Douglas Coupland's clock tower by the mall's tidy little park and fountain, the Shops At Don Mills probably isn't relying on them for its future, even though it uncannily resembles their past.





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To me, it too closely resembles those ex-urban big box plazas, where people drive from chain store to chain store, and any real sense of community is annihilated. I don't think the intention of the developers was to serve locals, but rather to catch commuters on their way up Don Mills or the DVP. We'll have to see how that works.
The problem with the mall as it was (although it held nostalgia value, and was certainly nicer in mid-winter since there were indoor public spaces) was that it was used predominantly by seniors as a replacement community centre. They liked to take up seats without spending any money. Stores closed as a result.
There is a definite lack of places for local seniors to go to during the day. There is also little to appeal to the students of Don Mills Collegiate and other teens in the area. This is why Don Mills is a bedroom community and essentially dead. I would really like to see this area revitalised. Maybe if the local constituents finally vote out Dezil Minnan-Wong we'll see some progressive change.
I'd love it more if there were residential units above the shops, which would have fostered a proper sense of community in the area. The Shops has got to be an eerie place in the middle of the night, with the lack of humanity around it outside of business hours.
One of the reasons that malls were originally successful - I'm talking 1970s here - is that they had a mix of different types of shops. You need the small hardware store, the grocer, the toy store, the art store, and every other oddball store to achieve the one-stop-shopping formula.
Why do people shop at the much disliked Walmart? Because you only have so much time and you can get everything at one stop. Why is Pacific Mall so wildly popular? It has every kind of shop imaginable, achieves one stop shopping, and each shop is a small scale as well.
No one needs another snooty mall full of women's designer fashion and home decor. We have lots of those already. The mix of stores has to reflect everyday life.
I think this will be a great mall in the warmer months. Not a place I'd want to go as soon as the temperatures drop below 5..
I drove around it at night to check out this new tactic. The issue is that Toronto does not have the same climate as Newport Beach. Imagine having to Christmas shop at a glorified strip mall? The biggest issue is it's step-up. There should not be vechicle traffic at all! It will only cause pedestrian accidents. If they were going to base it on California's Fashion Island outdoor mall, they should have kept the similar design of only foot traffic. Looks like we have another Kensington Market traffic issue on our hands.
I simply cant wait till they build something atrocious on the site of the Bata Building.
I find a lot of the comments criticizing Cadillac Fairview which reference "the seniors" to be disingenuous. If these people are isolated, with few meeting places and covered facilities in the winter I think it is entirely the community's fault for not pushing for transit and indoor public space solutions. It's dishonest to sound so concerned about these elderly residents, then decry a private shopping mall developer for not providing these public resources. We as a community are more to blame for their predicament than CF.
Finally I take issue with the description of the McNally Robinson bookstore's design as "post war school board". There is a distinct Frank Lloyd Wright influence in there - much more "prairie school" rather than "school board".
The funny thing is that the leftist hipsters are reacting like this is some sort of new type of mall or that it's replacing public space. It's a mall reno, so no difference from before, just a try to actually have a successful mall. It's also following a number of malls across the US moving to an urban feel - City Walk in LA being a major example, with redevelopments in Denver and Texas. It's been happening for more than ten years since the traditional mall format is pretty much dead.
The complaints from the seniors are nothing but malicious. They are trying to demand free entertainment from private corporations. If they spent money they would have businesses that cater to them, but they don't. NIMBYs and hampering people trying to run businesses - truly vicious evil people.
The Shops at Don Mills will go down as a shining example of corporate greed and arrogance.
Don Mills is an upper, middle class area, but certainly not as upper class as the stores in the mall would indicate. Before CF killed all the retailers in the old mall, there were smaller store owners who had long term ties to the community. Of those, only Ko's is now left.
No one disagreed that the mall needed some serious changes. It was old and tired and needed to be modernized. However, this idiotic design was certainly not what was needed.
DMRI sold out the residents of Don Mills in a huge way. Cora Urbel must be spinning in her grance.
A little more research would help you though. Instead of reading Cadillac Fairview propaganda, it is better to look at the REAL numbers and get a feel for what Don Mills is actually about. The average income in Don Mills is actually $137,063 according to the latest census figures. More tellingly, and more importantly, the Median income is $96,203. The majority of Don Mills residents earn less than $100,000. So your figures are 50%-100% too high. Are you sure you live in Don Mills?
DMRI worked tirelessly? Worked tirelessly to give CF EVERYTHING they asked for, including all of the changes that were made to the Central Don Mills Secondary Plan. There was no thought given to traffic, which has already exceeded the designed amount for Don Mills and Lawrence. No protection given to the elderly or disabled in the community. The only thing that DMRI has asked for is a promise of a Community Centre at some point in the future. A promise from Cadillac Fairview that is worth absolutely nothing. CF got everything they wanted. DMRI has gained the residents of the community absolutely nothing.
I agree totally that it is a nice place to sit and walk now. I am an avid walker and I have made a trip through the plaza as part of my regular routine.
However, does everyone forget that Toronto gets a LOT of inclement weather? Will the people who love it so much right now also love it so much in mid-February when it is -20 outside and snowing? Will you still sit out on the benches when the cold November rains come? Will you chose to go to Don Mills on a snowy, slushy December day, or will you enjoy the warmth of Fairview then? It has been evident already that the success of the new center is extremely weather dependent. A walk or drive by on a rainy day shows a half empty parking lot.
No one disagrees that something needed to be done. However, was this really the best possible design for a shopping center in Toronto?
Everyone that opposes this new mall is boring and needs to get with the times.I think this mall is beautiful and much needed in this part of the city. The intersection before the renovation was an eyesore and pretty ghetto. How many indoors malls do we need in the city? Cadillac Fairview did an amazing job with the design and concept. I manage one of the shops at the mall and have been talking to the community about what they think, the responses are very mixed. Everyone wonders what will happen come winter, well cadiallac fairview has invested a lot of time and money into this space, they have heated the sidewalks in front of all the store so walking in the snow will not be a problem. The green area will also convert into a skating rink for the community and family winter fun. We have only been open a month and yet there have been firework displays, a circus,a concert and loads of family fun, not even close to what the old mall was doing for the community. Everyone need to accept the change and just enjoy it cause its only going to get better.
Many of the replies you received are arrogant and demonstrate a clear lack of consideration for the community, which is typical C.F. style. It is obvious that C.F. is desperately trying to save its image with some ridiculous arguments.
On the entrance doors of the old Don Mills mall, there was a sign, “Proudly managed by C.F.” – the mall was managed by C.F., not by the community. It is C.F. that ran the mall down, no one else.
As for the comment from.........., "Malls are not places to meet, they are places to shop," -- the people who were meeting in the old mall were also shopping there. At least the stores in the old mall were always busy, unlike the new "Shops," where C.F. is organizing special events to attract customers from all over the city. But even if people come for the events, they don't necessarily shop here. Most of the time, the stores are empty.
I only wonder how long it will take for C.F. to face reality and admit that the concept was wrong.
Then you have people like me: who empower, respect YOUR goals for YOU, and not THEIR goals for YOU - which is sometimes very different, and speaks of a need to control someone, not help them along their own path, in a way they have indicated is indicative of respectful, not patronizing, assistance - and share joy AT that success - because it takes that, for all of us to keep trying, in our own worlds. Way to go - and don't let anyone ruin something sweet in your life - even if it's just a moment you always imagined.....God Bless.
Plus there was another incident where I went into Coach(on Grand Opening Day) and I got this cold reception/no greeting from the sales staff. Is it because I was too dressed down in my Roots attire/or is it because I'm a visible minority who doesn't have the money to buy a little change purse for $625? I felt like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman; remember that scene where she went into that high class store to purchase something but they did not want her in the store because of her looks, but later in the week she came back all dressed up and she went back into that store and asked the sales ladies "you guys work on commission? big mistake" and she walked out of the store; I think I will replay that scene if I ever win the lottery. You see never judge by the way how a person looks/dressed because you never know how much money that person has got in his/her pocket.
Yes Don Miller I do shop at Walmart, Dollarama(dollar store) and I love my carrot muffins at McDonald's, but I'm also addicted to my tall extra hot vanilla latte at Starbucks and I'm a big fan of Roots, Sephoria, Park Hyatt Hotel Stillwater Spa and Big Carrot(organic supermarket); you see Don I'm low and high maintenance.
What the residence of Don Mills really want is variety, the same variety that you see at the Eaton Center, Scarborough Town Center, Fairview Mall and Yorkville, yes Yorkville because Yorkville doesn't just have Gucci, Coach and Chanel; but they also have Body Shop, Gap, Roots...(low and middleclass stores). The only stores that will be doing good business at the Shops at Don Mills are the restaurants, food stores, Mark McCewan and the bookstore.
And I miss the old Don Mills Center it was so warm, community oriented and it was always busy. Plus, Don Mills Center was a favourite for young, low, middleclass.
My mother used to live across the road. She's moved to Niagara-on-the-Lake now. Friday was her 85th birthday. She wanted to see the new mall, so my brother and I drove to Toronto to show her. After working hard to get parking, we walked in about a block. The wind howled through our coat, we did an about-face, went back to the warm car and went to Eglington Sq. (which I hate, but it was warm and we wanted a light quick lunch only as we had a larger dinner planned).
I would like the shops on a sunny day when it is not cold, not hot, not raining, not snowing, not humid....and not so expensive. Other than that it was fine.
Long drive for a big disappointment.
I hate strip malls for two reasons: they are unattractive, and they require going outside to enter each store. This is not a strip mall, it is fairly attractive (I'm not overwhelmed, but it's truly not that bad to look at)....but, it is still outside. So, I either wear a really warm coat on brisky days, and overheat in the stores, or wear a light coat on the brisky days, and shiver between stores.
It is an experimental mall for this climate. I hope it doesn't fail (people's jobs are at stake), but I wouldn't be surprised that down the road a big roof ends up being built overtop when they realize that people don't like shopping outside in inclement weather.
One area of concern to Cadillac Fairview should be the ill feeling that they have created with a large part of the local community, the same community that one would expect to would form the largest customer base for this mall.
Just because a mall is indoor does not automatically make its design boring. Hazleton Lanes is a good example of an indoor, upscale downtown mall. While it is a smaller boutique mall, it doesn't fit the mould of the other malls in the city. Before they put a roof over the "courtyard" and called it "Whole Foods", this space used to become a skating rink in the winter and provided patio space for the mall's restaurants in the summer. I even wonder if this was the inspiration for the outdoor waterpark and skating rink at the Shops.
I admit that the Shops do look attractive and is an improvement over the awkward assortment of additions of the former Don Mills Shopping Centre. I think some retail such as McEwan and the LCBO will continue to do well, but on the whole, I am still skeptical. Time will tell.
The Shops at Don Mills, I feel, is somewhere in the middle of a mall and a high (or main) street format. But still, nothing ever beats the classic "high street" format, which is so basic. That is why older Toronto areas continue to thrive. Suburbs can have the common sense high-street format too, but the Canadian cities have screwed up big time with this. The Shops format is actually what many places in the USA are producing in the more socially-cosmopolitan aware places there ("de-malling"). These are places that are getting back to the roots of real cities and towns and its true format.
This is from the original proposal, submitted in 2008:
"The applicant is proposing to demolish the existing plaza, gas station and car wash and redevelop the site with 1,047 dwelling units in 6 apartment buildings ranging in height from 10 to 21 storeys. The proposal also includes 3,716 m2 of retail uses and a medical office."
You can find the original proposal if you do a search for the terms "parkwoods", "application", and "site:toronto.ca" (the last term restricts the search to City of Toronto pages).
spectactular along woth the Big Band musio was seocnd to none. The Remembrance Day Services celebrated by Fr Morkel of the Church of the Ascension assisted by honorable veterans of our community were most memorable and the weather was spectaclur as well.
The lighting of the Christmas tree at centre on cold cripsy nights with wondferul entertainment was truly Canadian.
The reception in many of the stores by staff was not nice or we were completey ignored! We don't return.
The restaurnants were good but very expensive, not so bad food wise bot one visit was enough. We don't return.
There is no place to buy Ice Cream on a hot summer day..so we don't return.
Good luck to you when ALL the condos CF was counting finally get built.
Maybe the promised community centre will get built.
I'm not sure if this commuinity was really ready for
'The Shops of Don Mills'.
Regards,
Carol Hamilton