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Why is Getting Garbage Cans Right so Difficult?
Maybe I'm not giving the complexity of garbage disposal its due. But is creating a practical, decent looking waste bin really that hard?
The city has experimented with several models over the years. The latest is a grey, sci-fi-looking design made of tough plastic, with a metal bar at the bottom (reminiscent of elementary school washroom sinks) that opens the garbage slots.
As Christopher Hume pointed out in his Toronto Star column yesterday, what happens in the winter when the bar is covered in snow? It isn't very accessible either. Pedestrians in wheelchairs, for instance, can't step on it to open the slots. Spacing Toronto gave the bins a failing grade and found that some were placed too far into the sidewalk, reducing space for pedestrians.
While some of these important issues were brought up when the prototype was revealed in June 2008, the final model on sidewalks near you looks the same.
I went out to test them this morning and found some of these concerns valid. Though the slots open if you push them, the point of the bar is to avoid touching the lids. They get gross with use. But why design a feature that can't be used half of the year or by a percentage of the population? I also found their placement intrusive in some areas, almost in the middle of the sidewalk.
I do like their size though. It's not as big as the mammoth ad boxes or as small as the bright blue box. Though I almost missed this feature, an innovative piece is the cigarette butt slot. The garbage and recycle holes are bigger and fit more items than the popular silver garbage bins with the three slots.

The new bins with the bar are part of Toronto's Coordinated Street Furniture Program that harmonizes the city's street furniture, from garbage bins to bus shelters and benches.
I can see why we need a plan to unify Toronto's street furniture. A walk around my neighbourhood yielded the five different cans pictured in this blog, each too small, too big, too rudimentary or not completely functional.


To City Council, here is a checklist to consider when the next design of garbage bins is up for grabs:
• Make sure the bins and their features can be used in all seasons.
• Make them big enough to fit the garbage, but not too big that they block the sidewalk. It would help the former if they were emptied more often.
• We like the ability to recycle and the slot for cigarette butts. Keep those options.
• Make the garbage slots even friendlier to various items. Remember the Chinatown coconut fiasco?
• Make sure to consult the city's Accessibility Design Guideline. It's only a few links underneath the Coordinated Street Furniture report on the city's website.


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My question: How will they hold up to cleaning off wheatpaste?
...like geeze!
And the new ones by me don't open when you push the bar on the bottom, so they're either not very durable, or they're faulty.
Even if they managed to achieve the AI Garbage can, you know as well as I do that certain groups will still complain about them.
"Why are we wasting so much energy on a supercomputer AI even though this is exactly what we had been asking for?!"
Those metal ones are gross aswell when you try and push the flaps open.
The new ones seem to work well.
so true...
You're f'n kidding me right? Informed analysis?
Thanks, that made my day! I needed a good laugh! Too bad you didn't say 'informed un-biased analysis'... now THAT would have been a good punchline!
To Debbie Pacheco or anyone else that reads this article: can you tell me of any of the locations of these new stupidity cans? I actually want to go see them.
Toronto's trash cans are the tragedy of the commons writ large, it's not just a matter of designing a decent public litter basket, it's designing a trash can that can survive the abuse that a small minority of monohelical specimens decide to heap on them.
It would be wonderful if organic and non organic waste could be seperated BUT there are so many issues with that. Lazy people who could not be bothered putting waste in the proper slot, Animals like raccoons(they would have a feast) and probably cause a lot of damage to the boxes trying to get at the wasted food.
Maybe one day they will have a system that can be seen in Europe(forget which country) where the garbage, recycling etc get sucked down a tube underground and is transfered to a main holding station somewhere in the city.
All said and done bottom line we still need to reduce waste. Our grocery stores are encouraging tote bags.. when will our coffee shops do the same with travel mugs?
Exactly. (That would be <a href="http://torontoist.com/attachments/toronto_jonathang/2008_6_11KramerBin.jpg">this dude</a>, <a href="http://www.kramer-design.com/">Jeremy Kramer</a>.
"Grr, there are too many ads in this city, I'm sick of the ads on these garbage cans"
Fast forward a year
"Grr, where are the ads? How do they expect the city to pay for these without some sort of revenue?"
I'm not suggesting that Chantel was against the garbage can ads, but as a whole, this sort of thing happens all the time in the community.
People will find -something- to complain about.
Everything I'm reading about these new bins seems to come to the same conclusions: They're better than the old bins by significant margins, but they are nowhere near perfect.
The problem with garbage bins, is they will <b>never</b> be perfect. There are so many conflicting issues that need to be addressed when designing a garbage can. Improve accessiblity for the disabled and you improve the accessibility for raccoons and other animals. Remove ads and you remove funding. Make smaller to take up less sidewalk space and you have to then deal with the issue of overflowing garbage. Then of course the big issue of cost. Do you spend more for more features, or do you save money?
It really is a lose-lose situation for the designers of these cans. There will always be something for advocates to complain about (same goes for other street furniture). I don't mean to signal Jonathan out on this, because this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Because of the inherent difficulty in meeting everyone's needs, there will always be room for improvement and having people point out flaws is only going to encourage the city to continued to improve and perfect the garbage can design.
It often costs <b>more</b> to recycle and used recycled materials than using virgin materials.
The only reason recycling is as widespread as it is is because of government involvement. We wouldn't be able to recycle as much stuff as we do if the different levels of government didn't fund the companies tasked to do the job. Without those funds, those companies wouldn't be able to afford to recycle the majority of the stuff we throw in the blue bin.
*paper products can be -mildly- profitable if they're the right kind of paper products. The mixed bag of stuff you'd find in a sidewalk recycling bin most certainly is not. There is far too much contamination.
I like the idea of sorting organic waste, but people are too lazy...even recycling has yet to take off for everyone in the public realm. Another factor: the City has to follow-up with cleaning them out on a regular basis. The unit at Yonge and Davisville is now overflowing, thus rendering it useless.
A sensor would be "costly", too, and probably would not last very long.
Overflowing cans are not caused by design flaws - you can't make the bin any bigger before it becomes too intrusive. It's the lack of sanitation workers cleaning out the bins, and people throwing too much crap away. Blame those who are too lazy to walk another block to dump their trash at a less-frequented bin.
And yet the city is trying to invent new ways to drain the pocket-books of Torontonians... especially in this economic climate!
And yet the city is trying to invent new ways to drain the pocket-books of Torontonians... especially in this economic climate!
The city did not pay for this, neither did taxpayers. Astral Media did.
Also, on a pedantic note, the word is "TRASH", not "LITTER". Litter is the stuff that you find on the ground. If it goes INTO the bin, it's not litter.
I really wish people would learn about something before hating on it. The amount of energy you're wasting on something you clearly have no idea about is exponential, to say the least.
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