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Morning Brew: March 19th, 2009

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / March 19, 2009

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What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

Are we headed for a labour dispute between the unions that represent civic workers and the City? It's starting to look like that may happen. The words picket, arbitration, etc. are making me cringe a little already. If city employees pull a TTCesque "city employees in the 416/647 should have it written into their contracts that they make more than 905ers" I think I'll scream.

Residents in the Bloor and Bathurst area take note: on Tuesday night there was a series of three swarmings that resulted in violence against the victims. At least six suspects, working together, mugged but also inflicted injury by stabbing, beating, and pepper spraying their victims. The Sun calls the description given by victims "vague" which means there is no description in the article.

What appears to have been a malfunctioning slot machine at an Innisfil casino is now resulting in legal action. A guy playing a penny machine jumped for joy when the screens lit up with a $42.9-million jackpot. But the OLG identified this as a glitch/error and ended up offering him and his friends a free buffet dinner instead. The courts may have to decide if this is fair or not.

Emergency crews are being praised for their handling of an early morning explosion and apartment building transformer fire in Scarborough. Residents were evacuated quickly and the fire contained.

In another case of what-the-eff-is-wrong-wth-people, sewing needles have been found in Scheiders pre-packaged deli meat products in Guelph. Police are saying that it appears to be an isolated case, and confined to just one store. I hope they search surveillance video and find the coward who did this so we can stick needles in his/her throat and ask how it feels.

And in much happier news... it's maple sugar time!

Discussion

72 Comments

daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 09:17 am
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Unions representing civic workers can go to hell.they already make enough and have too many benefits.....quite frankly , as all kinds of people are losing their jobs, these people have the audacity to want more, wage increase for doing what?.more work?....reality check kiddos, with chrysler employess more than likely going down the tubes you're lucky to have simple jobs that pay very well..dont like your employ?...go to school, go in debt 20 grand, learn something new, and be unemployed the entire time,then maybe, just maybe you'll eventually find something that pays half of what you make now..got the balls to do that?....like the rest of us?
labrevFrab / March 19, 2009 at 10:03 am
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Annex Wolf Pack? Bunch of punks that hang out at the Labrynth lounge.
Paul / March 19, 2009 at 10:04 am
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The guy who "won 42.9 mil" should be given the ~$9,000 that the actual jackpot was and that should've been the end. However, now that he's suing, I hope he gets nothing.

Its not as if he was told he won, and a year later told it was a mistake and they need the money back - right away he was told. He never lost any money. What's worse is how he's on the media bitching about how he needs to fix his house, etc. If he didn't win would he still be complaining? And how is gambling at a slot machine an effective source of income generation?

In fact, after typing this, I hope they sue him.
dexter replying to a comment from labrevFrab / March 19, 2009 at 10:12 am
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Do tell more.
That Guy replying to a comment from Paul / March 19, 2009 at 10:15 am
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I think he should get the machine jackpot at least. 9k
I don't believe the OlG contacts people when they find out their machines malfunction and there was no chance of winning at all. Right now this is a one way street favoring the OLG which has a pretty shitty record with misprinted tickets (in which case they should have been forced to pay out for every misprint).
christinaanita / March 19, 2009 at 10:23 am
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How does a machine accidentally tell someone they won 42mil if the machine has a 9k jackpot. Seems like a pretty big oops!
Dawn replying to a comment from labrevFrab / March 19, 2009 at 10:24 am
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The Labrynth Lounge is still around??
Andrew replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 10:25 am
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Wow another leftie reply where people have the right to work for peanuts. Oh nos, some people are making more money from me - off with their heads!
Here's a reality check: I came out of University two years ago. My tuition was about $7000/year. I worked throughout the year and received no OSAP nor accumulated any debt. I got a job out of school with no connections and I make pretty good money. I feel for anyone who's trying to increase their wage, I don't expect the government to take care of me.
daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 10:31 am
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Yes increase of wage is appropriate, but only when the quality of their efforts are improved as well.....i too accumulated no debt through university and am gainfully self employed.....my point is if i slack off i dont get payed.now just try something....here's a number for public works garbage pick up....416-338-2010...press 3... and see how long you wait..by the way this is a number ive tried reaching for a few months regarding lack of waste pick up...if they're doing such a magnificent job then why are the lines tied up.or are they just not answering......does this deserve a wage increase...my little rightie?
labrevFrab / March 19, 2009 at 10:33 am
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Something happened at that bar with some locals that you could tell grew up in the area. They called them selves "The Annex Wolf Pack" The name used to be spray painted on the ally walls behind the Labrynth Lounge and the Green Room. There was lots of knives, lots of bottle smashing, made the news the next day. Couple people went away in an ambulance. They were a tough bunch raging from all ages. You could tell they looked like trouble. They were always at the Labrynth Lounge too. This was in February 2001 though. I doubt it's the same guys but I bet a couple of them are still lingering around.
anon replying to a comment from dexter / March 19, 2009 at 10:35 am
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According to http://forum.canadianhxc.com/viewtopic.php?t=1788&;sid=a50cc206200a299fc564a3fdd241adb3 on July 13/07, "Darryl" the "bad ass mofo" seems to know about the "Annex Wolfpack".

His picture is here: http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/323/dimervr7.jpg
Diane replying to a comment from Paul / March 19, 2009 at 10:39 am
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He WAS told that he had won - by the machine. And since the inner workings of those machines are kept secret, he has no way to verify OLG's subsequent claim (15 minutes later or 15 years later) that the machine wasn't working right.

It's no longer a game of chance when only the House can tell you if you have won. That's fixing the outcome, and it's illegal.

And if OLG truly believes that it was a flaw in the machine's hardware or software, why haven't they pulled the hundreds of identical machines they run?

The Star article had some computer guy explaining how a $9,000 win might be mis-reported by the machine as a $43 million win. But this means that the guy did win $9,000, which OLG also refused to pay up.

How many times have they done this, and it never got reported because $9k isn't that much money?
sippy replying to a comment from anon / March 19, 2009 at 10:39 am
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Looks like the singer from Crazy Town.

Come my lady. Come, come my lady.
Paul replying to a comment from That Guy / March 19, 2009 at 10:41 am
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Apparently some people are saying he didn't even win the jackpot and the machine calculated 2^32-1 wrong (don't worry I don't understand that either :D)
daniel. replying to a comment from anon / March 19, 2009 at 10:54 am
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buncha dropkick murphy dropout fratboys from the area. fat drunken strength in number thugs from the appartments north of bloor...
Diane / March 19, 2009 at 10:57 am
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If I understand the Star's article (NO guarantees), their expert thinks the machine was supposed to count down from 1 to 0, triggering the $9,000 jackpot, but counted down to -1 instead. It misinterpreted the -1 as the winning amount, and through some binary magic reported a $42,949,672.95 win.

Here's the Star's article:

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/604696
labrevFrab / March 19, 2009 at 10:57 am
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that guy is not from the wolf pack, he was one of the victims actually. he's from brampton.
Andrew replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 11:12 am
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If you have a problem with the city, bring it up with your councilor, don't blame the employees if their business is managed poorly.
daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 11:38 am
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unions represent the employees....managers have their hands tied by union regulation...ok idealist,i will take it up with my councillor, that'll work......you obviously are a believer in the system and it's inner workings,and that's great, i can respect that.....but to sit there and ignore abuses of station is unacceptable in anny unionize or private sector....i worked for unions and see the abuse, laziness...no acountability, no fear of loss..and certainly no broken backs...
ramanan / March 19, 2009 at 11:39 am
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I find the way people react to stories about unions humourous. When there are labour disputes, the publics reactions is generally, “suck it up, you already get paid too much.” If you went to university for 4 years only to graduate and make less than someone who has been working in a unionized factory since grade 11 it would probably make you bitter. People lash out at the worker because he’s demanding too much. The real question people need to ask themselves is, “who says how much is too much?” People never react to stories about TTC drivers making X amount of dollars by saying, “That’s amazing, I need to unionize where I work too!” The almost universal reaction is, “Fucking TTC drivers make more than me!” And this reaction is pretty stupid, because clearly, that TTC driver is doing something right.
daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 11:39 am
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hey maybe my councilor will take me out for a very expensive dinner on the tax payers back...brilliant...hey crap,im paying for it...no win here
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Diane / March 19, 2009 at 11:54 am
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Legally, the guy doesn't have a leg to stand on. I don't believe the malfunction=no prize rule was created to protect the OLG against computer bugs, but to protect the OLG from people who find loopholes in the slot machine's mechanics or software.

However, the OLG will probably end up giving the guy the $9000 jackpot and perhaps a little extra to keep the media at bay. But only once they can determine it was merely a computer glitch and not due to human intervention.
Andrew replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 11:54 am
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So you think the solution is to leave the broken management as is, and take it out on the workers?
Diane replying to a comment from ramanan / March 19, 2009 at 12:00 pm
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I'm pretty sure that people who are making MORE than unionized workers are contemptuous of unions too.
daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:04 pm
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the solution is scale....a bus driver or ticket collector should not make more than an architect....especially if he or she is indirectly being payed by the architects taxes....something's wrong
Andrew replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 12:06 pm
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you're a communist
Ratpick replying to a comment from ramanan / March 19, 2009 at 12:08 pm
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ramanan said: "People never react to stories about TTC drivers making X amount of dollars by saying, 'That’s amazing, I need to unionize where I work too!'"

I completely agree with that sentiment -- instead of bitching, we should look for ways to raise the bar all over.

But you have obviously never run a business. Unionizing a private-sector workplace is next to impossible in this day & age. The industries we work in today would much rather just pack up and leave, rather than be left with an unworkable labour model. And don't fall for that "creative class/new economy" jive -- a graphic designer in India can do just as good a job as one in Toronto.

The public sector employees, whose legacy unions are still with us only because the public sector can't move anywhere else, have never faced that risk. They've had it easy, and they have it good.

The unions as we know them are relics from an a different era.






daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:09 pm
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no actually....fascist...you'll thank me when the trains run on time sir ;)
Andrew replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 12:11 pm
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you're an idiot http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp
Diane replying to a comment from Ryan L. / March 19, 2009 at 12:16 pm
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"Legally, the guy doesn't have a leg to stand on."

You're probably right. I bet OLG has fine print that says just about any screwup must be resolved in their favour.

And to be fair, if a computer error results in you getting a whacky multimillion dollar long distance bill, nobody seriously expects you to have to pay it.

Still, as with the misprinted tickets a few months ago, OLG needs to come up with a better way of saying "sorry, we were wrong to make you think you won" than just handing out free tickets to the buffet.

Why, it's enough to make one question the wisdom of gambling.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from ramanan / March 19, 2009 at 12:16 pm
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Indeed. I often hear some shocking statements when people complain about unions, usually directed at the union member's level of intelligence and that because they didn't go to university they aren't entitled to a decent wage.

Perhaps THEY are the dumb ones for thinking an investment of time and money into a philosophy degree would net them a good job.
That Guy replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:19 pm
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actually i believe Andrew you are the idiot here

http://www.netlingo.com/word/smiley-or-smileys.php

daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 12:20 pm
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You're the idiot....it was a joke......I'ts only a blog little fella...don't hyperventilate and call people names....stop acting like some fact finding anglo
Andrew replying to a comment from Ryan L. / March 19, 2009 at 12:21 pm
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"Perhaps THEY are the dumb ones for thinking an investment of time and money into a philosophy degree would net them a good job."

Ding! Ding! University enrollment is at it's highest numbers ever, and we have to relieve ourselves of an older generation's perceived high value of a University degree. It's just more common now, and is the new norm for a lot of employment. That being said plumbers and contractors are in high demand too because of their weak numbers. The Philosophy degrees can get a second job!
Andrew replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 12:22 pm
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Joke or not, it's still fun to prove you wrong

P.S. I'm not Anglo
daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:22 pm
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And supports an army of unionized employees
daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:24 pm
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you havent proven anything aside from the fact that you can't debate and have fun doing so..i'll take the high road on this one kiddo...but you are right, people do have to live, and work...and it's not up to one person's opinion to make rash judgement calls regarding the "state of the Union", be well
Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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That's right, walk away son. At least you got enough sense to know when you've been beaten.
Diane / March 19, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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"That being said plumbers and contractors are in high demand too because of their weak numbers. The Philosophy degrees can get a second job!"

Just how many Philosophy majors does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
That Guy / March 19, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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There is a fine line between a freedom fighter and a terrorist.

Unions can be good, prevent people form being taken advantage off, right now i find they are more of a terror organization that is milking it for all it's worth. They can ask for more at a time where everyone is cutting back only because they can hold society hostage. My parents work in a unionized shop, they hate the union. The have no option of not paying union dues, it's essentially a mafia that looks out for itself, not the worker. They been screwed over by it plenty.
daniel. replying to a comment from Ryan L. / March 19, 2009 at 12:27 pm
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i agree ryan....but keep in mind that philosophy proffs and their tutorial leaders are paying union members too....fair is fair right? can't speak derogatorily about one aspect of a union ....after all...it's a union of waste(philosophy degree) and a union of productivity( fascist studies;))
daniel. replying to a comment from Diane / March 19, 2009 at 12:28 pm
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the answer to that question diane is...get it? "is"
Andrew replying to a comment from That Guy / March 19, 2009 at 12:29 pm
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At least you're not biased! ;)
daniel. replying to a comment from That Guy / March 19, 2009 at 12:32 pm
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ANd those union dues go towards statues and horrid spending by union heads....ask them how much the statue at the keele and wilson union office cost the honerable members... you are right and so are your folks
daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:33 pm
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only thing you're beating andrew is your own ****
Andrew replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 12:35 pm
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I'ts only a blog little fella...don't hyperventilate
Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 12:36 pm
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I became an unwilling party of a union back when I worked in food service back in the day and after we unionized the whole thing went to shit. Idiot teenagers couldn't be fired no matter how stupid they were, reasonable teenagers like myself were left with less hours and pay because I hadn't worked long enough compared to other workers. Did I bitch and moan and strike for better conditions? No, I quit that shitty job and found a better one, as did the rest of our competent workforce. That workplace is now overrun with normally unemployable hooligans and the same lifers who worked there 12 years ago whose goddamned union dues pad the pockets of greedy and archaic union heads.

I know Chrysler is the big bad corporation our hippie cousins conditioned us to despise, but you really think their demands for union concessions is devious money grab? Do North American car companies just decide to make less favourable cars? Or is there a huge defining factor between foreign and domestic cars manufactured here? (Hint: which workforce is unionized?)

I make more than York TAs or most TTC union members but I still think they're assholes for taking the public hostage whenever they feel entitled.

You complain about people always assuming too much about you ramanan? Think before you assume things about other people's motivations. Everything I've seen unions touch turns to shit.
daniel. replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:36 pm
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enough little guy...lets let the others talk too...
That Guy replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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actually the CAW offices are temporarily moved to a few floors of a downtown toronto hotel for the period of the government negotiations, it comes out of workers dues

and yes i am not biased, i see things from the workers perspective, the people that the unions are supposed to represent but are milking

if you try to get rid of the union you can kiss your ass good buy
now that is fashist
daniel. replying to a comment from Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 12:40 pm
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not to mention the fact that it's a socialist mafia within a democratic capitalist system....almost cult like...i too worked for a union and it was a nightmare....lazy incompetant peole that have no ambition and need to be told what to do and how to do it...they support the upper strata....it's kinda like scientology if you think about it...except there's no Zeno(intergallactic space lord)
Andrew replying to a comment from Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 12:41 pm
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"Do North American car companies just decide to make less favourable cars? Or is there a huge defining factor between foreign and domestic cars manufactured here? (Hint: which workforce is unionized?)"

WRONG! They make less favourable cars because they decide to build SUVs with huge mark-ups and focus less on what people actually want. If you think paying your employees differently magically makes car safer with better gas mileage and parts that don't break in a few years then you have a warped sense of the world.
Mike W replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:43 pm
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Are you implying people with experience with unions are not fit to discuss them?
Mike W replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 12:46 pm
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It's Xenu, don't make me call the Sea Org on you.
Parkdalian / March 19, 2009 at 12:48 pm
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If everyone debating on here were put in a room together to say "exactly" what they're saying to eachother, you think they'd do it??

It'd be an interesting experiment that's for sure.
Andrew replying to a comment from Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 12:49 pm
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I'm not implying anything, I'm just refuting your claim. Unions have been apart of GM for decades, and they championed the auto industry for almost just as long. But now that GM got too big for this economy, built cars no one wanted to buy, passed up on the electronic car, etc. all of a sudden the little guy is to blame because they make a salary that has kept up with inflation, and not lost value since the 70's like the rest of us?
Andrew replying to a comment from Parkdalian / March 19, 2009 at 12:51 pm
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I'm going to see 'Pieces' at 9:30 tonight at Bloor Cinema. Come see a 70's slasher flick and we'll drink and talk shit all night!
Mike W replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 12:52 pm
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No I think the magic is in diverting a huge amount of your revenue into manufacturing worker wages as opposed to better quality materials or research and development, which would be specifically tasked with improving mileage, safety and reliability.

If you're such a business major how does North American car companies, all three of them, just decide to be ignorant of consumer demand?
daniel. replying to a comment from Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 12:54 pm
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Mike W?.....you lie ,you're the reverend buttnor.....that mis-spelling was a test to weed out scientologists....wait til' i inform Operation Clambake!!!
Andrew replying to a comment from Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 12:57 pm
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Ask that to all the other car companies that have folded, or were bought out, or Detroit, or any other business that has failed.
Mike W replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 01:00 pm
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Straying off topic, but surely ignoring consumer demand isn't the only reason businesses fail?

I'm no business major either, but I still maintain unions are shit.
Mike W replying to a comment from daniel. / March 19, 2009 at 01:05 pm
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You think I'm afraid? I have money and lawyers and none of this human decency nonsense.
Andrew replying to a comment from Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 01:05 pm
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http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+businesses+fail%3F
matt replying to a comment from sippy / March 19, 2009 at 01:05 pm
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hilarious comment sippy.
Mike W replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 01:10 pm
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I was being rhetorical. I am aware that ignoring consumer demand is in fact, not the only reasons businesses fail... as shown by your unnecessary but well intentioned link.
Andrew replying to a comment from Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 01:11 pm
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It wasn't well intentioned. I wanted to refute your claim that employee wages are not typically the reason for a business to fail, albeit in a mocking sort of way!
Mike W replying to a comment from Andrew / March 19, 2009 at 01:23 pm
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If I had no choice but to pay significantly higher wages than my competition I'd try to cut corners though. You wouldn't think a corporation, whose purpose is to maximize profit would try the same?

I was trying to refute YOUR claim that "any other business that has failed" was due to ignoring consumer demand.
Ok, I will concede you may or may not be correct about the North American auto market and business management in general if we can get back to why I hate unions...
Jerrold / March 19, 2009 at 01:46 pm
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Does blogTO need a discussion forum? Town hall meetup?
keven replying to a comment from Mike W / March 19, 2009 at 03:06 pm
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But companies sans-union pay about the same to their workers in wages and benefits. So no more money could be diverted anywhere. It's not magic that keeps unions out of the other car companies, it's a very carefully planned and deliberate strategy by foreign auto-makers.

Also, auto-workers don't design cars. Nor do they make top-level business decisions.

>actually the CAW offices are temporarily moved to a few floors of a downtown toronto hotel for the period of the government negotiations, it comes out of workers dues

You mean The Sheraton, downtown. The Sheraton downtown is unionized BY the CAW. They get the space for (almost) free. No one's union dues are being spent.

Also, just like pension funds, strike funds earn interest. Usually the union dues aren't spent the way you are insinuating, they are invested.

The comments re: unions in here are laughable. So many things people don't know, realize or would rather assume. I sense a lot of jealousy.

>dont like your employ?...go to school

LMFAO!!!!!!! Do you think people just wake up one morning and say: "I'm going to be a tool and dye maker today", apply for said job and get it? Get a f'n grip dude. It's a long process and someone as "educated as yourself" probably wouldn't even be able to hold a conversation about it, unless you were historically versed.

@Andrew: love your thoughts on our society's outlook on unions. Totally bang on.
Paul / March 19, 2009 at 04:03 pm
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As a university student, it pisses me off that I'm forced to pay a clusterfuck group of students who probably consider the NDP to extreme right-wing conservatives to head the students union and throw their weight AGAINST anything to improve the school or society.


o_O / March 19, 2009 at 05:01 pm
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When did the Toronto Star commenters migrate to BlogTO? This discussion has been total crap. There hasn't been one particularly articulate argument for/against unions and you've gone on for 40+ comments.
Mike W replying to a comment from o_O / March 19, 2009 at 05:28 pm
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Sorry Socrates I didn't realize we weren't conforming to your standards. Why don't you enlighten us with a particularly articulate argument?
Andrew replying to a comment from keven / March 19, 2009 at 09:21 pm
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right back at ya

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