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Morning Brew: February 24th, 2009

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / February 24, 2009

gangs toronto bloods cripsPhoto: "Hate message" by AshtonPal, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

What's happening in the GTA (and sometimes beyond):

Who killed George Koutroubis, and why? There are seemingly more questions than there are answers in the murder of the much loved, recently married, restauranteur. Police are trying to put together the pieces amid reports that the man may have been working as a bookie on the side.

The fourth high-profile violent crime on the TTC in one month has prompted Mayor Miller and TTC Chair Adam Giambrone to address the issue of passenger safety on our city's struggling transit system. Police are hoping that security cameras on the bus reveal the identities of the suspects, who have not been apprehended. In the meantime, patrols by police and TTC special constables will be stepped up.

Toronto City Council voted 37-1 in favour of allocating $50M of municipal capital funding to upgrading and building new facilities for the 2015 Pan Am games. The money is supposed to demonstrate to the sports organization that we're serious and deserving. Bidding continues in April, and if Toronto's dismal record of international sporting event bids is any indication, we'll soon be moving on to another event.

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Coyotes are posing a serious problem for residents in the Beach area. There are reports that the hungry animals are becoming more of a threat - watching home owners pets through windows, and occasionally snatching up a chihuahua for eats. Now the city is looking into options for their safe removal.

And here's a question for you: would you rather watch the Toronto Maple Leafs play for free, or stumble upon a pile of free snowballs? Both can happen in High Park!

Discussion

34 Comments

bstewart23 / February 24, 2009 at 09:35 am
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Does the desperation around the Pan Am Games bid mean Toronto is now positioning itself as a hemisphere-class city?
phaden / February 24, 2009 at 09:48 am
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Positioning Itself? Positioning Ourselves, you included!
Andrew / February 24, 2009 at 10:15 am
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I guess the coyotes take care of the unleashed dog problems on the Beaches.
Patrick / February 24, 2009 at 10:29 am
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Don't worry everyone; David Miller is going to ban handguns, thus ensuring the streets and streetcars of the city will be safe once more.
apetimberlake / February 24, 2009 at 10:32 am
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Hand guns need to be banned, then anyone associated with the blood or crips need to workwith the police to bring the gangs down or sent to prison or labour camps in the North West Territories to farm diamonds for the rest of thier lives.
apetimberlake / February 24, 2009 at 10:38 am
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I wish we had forced about camps for criminals.

We have alot of work that needs to be done in the most northern reaches of our country and enough idiots that wants to ruin other peoples lives with petty gang banging.
Andrew / February 24, 2009 at 10:42 am
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Advocating concentration camps? You're an idiot.
apetimberlake / February 24, 2009 at 10:44 am
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Gulags..
Why not?!?!?!
These guys have a big ego problem and i am certain that a little forced labour will clear that up..
Andrew / February 24, 2009 at 10:46 am
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Sure why not, Toronto is going so left it might as well be the USSR.
Anonymous / February 24, 2009 at 10:49 am
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All these are proof that having Special Constables is an illusion when it comes to passenger safety. How do the special constables make TTC safer?
Bob / February 24, 2009 at 10:50 am
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We need to turn Toronto Island into an "Escape from New York" concept.

If they can't live civilised with us, live with their own kind!
Jerrold / February 24, 2009 at 11:02 am
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Editor's note: Comments deleted. If the profanities and name-calling continue, users will be banned. Please keep discussion civil.
Ryan L. / February 24, 2009 at 12:07 pm
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When it certain social circles it becomes cool to engage in violent crime, I think that is the issue that needs to be addressed.

Remove the guns and they'll find more or use something else.

Put them in jail and you'll have a nice temporary solution, but more people will take their place and you're stuck footing the bill for all those people in prison.
k / February 24, 2009 at 12:13 pm
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This is why all education and social movements need to be girl centered. If the girls are educated and self-respecting, no guy in a community is going to get laid behaving like a tool. A guy will do anything to get some, including acting like an adult.
Andrew replying to a comment from Ryan L. / February 24, 2009 at 12:17 pm
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There are so many problems with this:
1) How do you take away their guns? Do you think these people are lawfully obtaining these weapons? They are getting them from the black market! A hand-gun ban is only punishing law abiding citizens who obtain guns for sport or defense.

2) These problems are socio-economic, no stop gap solution will work. What do you expect from a city that crams them together in sub-par living conditions in Rexdale and Scarborough. Then they barely subsidize a meager existence where the only options are relieve themselves of welfare for a comparatively low-income job yet lose free time working or engage in illegal activities to live in the evermore expensive city.
That Guy / February 24, 2009 at 12:24 pm
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How about outsourcing murder trials, too umm ...let's say Texas.
That may be efficient.

On the other hand, I think any one caught with an illegal hand gun should recive mandatory firearm training. If the gang bangers knew how to use their guns the crebba incident would have not hurt a bunch of pedestrians and helped to solve the gang problem instead.
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Andrew / February 24, 2009 at 12:40 pm
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Uh. Yes, thats pretty much what I was saying. Except I believe that while the problem was originally a socio-economic one, it has morphed into a combination of a socio-economic problem and a culture problem.

People have used their shitty socio-economic status as a way of showing how tough they are. Simply raising their socio-economic status doesn't eliminate the culture that has surrounded them. Especially if you're just dealing with neighbourhoods, or even cities. The culture is a global one. Increasing the wellbeing of a city would barely change the culture they are exposed to.
Andrew / February 24, 2009 at 01:00 pm
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I disagree that there's a culture of violent crime. These crimes are fundamentally about money, from theft to protecting turfs for drug flow. People are in these gangs because it benefits them more then being in a dead end low paying job. They aren't committing crimes because it's in fashion, it's because they are protecting their own interests. Not all people wearing backwards hats are criminals, and not all criminals wear backwards hats.
sniderscion / February 24, 2009 at 01:18 pm
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I think it's only one Coyote terrorizing the neighborhood; althought the scaremongers are claiming that more will follow. I think there are also some Deer running around that particular ravine creating panic. When will this wildlife invasion horror end?
apetimberlake / February 24, 2009 at 01:51 pm
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Andrew.

The majority of the guns are stolen from LAWFUL citizens.
Hense get rid of the guns and some (not all) of the problem is solved.

Secondly, if you listen to nickleback and like guns fuck off and move to aAberta
Andrew replying to a comment from apetimberlake / February 24, 2009 at 01:56 pm
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Do you have a source for that claim?
Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns.

It's 2009, a little late for the Nickelback jabs.
Rodney / February 24, 2009 at 02:14 pm
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They want to ban them so that there can be a stronger sentence for carrying one. Right now not much is done if you're in possession of agun whether your the owner or not.

LETS BAN BUSSES!!!!
That Guy replying to a comment from Rodney / February 24, 2009 at 02:21 pm
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I'll back you on that. Buses are a serious threat. I saw speed, I know what they can do, with or without Keanu.
Reality Check / February 24, 2009 at 02:40 pm
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It's much simpler - just bring back the bloody code from Tale of Two Cities era England. Penalty for nearly every crime is DEATH. Deal drugs: DEATH, Steal something: DEATH, Fare jump: DEATH, Assault: DEATH... So there will be no career criminals as you are executed after your first crime, no matter how small. If membership in a gang is included in capital crimes, then you can clean up Regent Park & Jane and Finch easily.

The whole handgun ban thing is stupid. Just look at today's Globe where Toronto's Mayor is demanding a handgun ban and Edmonton's Mayor is demanding that something be done about the menace of knife crime. So not only do we ave to ban (already effectively banned) hand guns, but all cutting or pointy implements. No screwdrivers, chef's knives, saws, carving forks... We will have to ensure anything we eat can be consumed with a spoon and doesn't need to be chopped!

It's well past time to stop trying to ban objects and start punishing people who commit crimes. If not immediate excution, we could at least eliminate credit for pre-trial detention, quadruple max sentences, and require all sentences to be at the max. Combined with prisons located only in the High Arctic, and you cut crime as well as incarceration costs (you don't need walls or many guards when prisoners will starve and freeze if they leave the grounds).
Andrew replying to a comment from Reality Check / February 24, 2009 at 02:44 pm
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I hear China's nice this time of year
apetimberlake / February 24, 2009 at 03:05 pm
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Public gang sodomy as a penalty for violent crime!
Andrew replying to a comment from apetimberlake / February 24, 2009 at 03:17 pm
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you seem really keen, are you volunteering?
That Guy / February 24, 2009 at 03:28 pm
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Good God*

(*as spoken by an atheist agnostic)

apetimberlake replying to a comment from Andrew / February 24, 2009 at 03:40 pm
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No thanks..
I DO NOT COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMEZ..
chenyip / February 24, 2009 at 03:44 pm
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We need some throwback tar and feathering up in here.
bribricorral replying to a comment from apetimberlake / February 24, 2009 at 05:19 pm
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I stand behind strictly banning handguns and forcing anyone associated to work with police to bring meaningless gangs that merely promote violence in the city.
Andrew replying to a comment from bribricorral / February 24, 2009 at 05:22 pm
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how does a gang promote violence, and to whom? Will banning handguns really stop them?
Paul / February 24, 2009 at 08:04 pm
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I think we need a high-profile campaign of public mocking for wannabe gangsters who ride the bus.
A.R. replying to a comment from Patrick / February 27, 2009 at 08:25 pm
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Don't worry everyone; Stephen Harper is going to legislate tougher sentences, thus ensuring the streets and streetcars of the city will be safe once more.

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