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TTC Strike is Back on The Table

Posted by Megan / April 27, 2008

ttc service returnsPhoto by St-Even from the blogTO flickr pool.

UPDATE (Sunday, April 27th, 2:30pm):
- Back-to-work legislation has been pushed forward and all TTC workers have been ordered back to work. Service is expected to slowly return within a few hours, and full service is expected in time for the Monday morning rush.

UPDATE (Sunday, April 27th, noon):
- Global News has told us that their sources predict a return of some service as early as 7pm today
- TTC Chair Adam Giambrone predicts a return of service by 9pm today (via Spacing, via Giambrone's Facebook)

We recommend that transit users not rely too heavily on these predicted service start times, because they're not confirmed, and there is sure to be a slow, varied return of service across the city.

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Stunned Saturday morning commuters:

Much more strike-reporting after the jump...

TTC Buses and Streetcars QuietedPhoto by photojunkie from the blogTO flickr pool.

At 12am on Saturday April 26 members of Toronto's Amalgamated Transit Union Local 113 walked off the job after the tentative contract proposed last weekend was rejected with 65% of ATU members voting to reject the contract.

So far there has been no official news from the union beyond the statement released explaining that they would not be providing the 48 hours notice as previously promised because based on last weekend's experience while they were in a notice period, the union was concerned about the safety of the front-line transit staff. Senior union members will be meeting today and are expected to hold a press conference after the meeting to talk about next steps.

Friday night Mayor David Miller made a statement expressing his disappointment with the ATU Local 113. He was visibly very upset and has asked Premier McGuinty to introduce back-to-work legislation. According to Miller, McGuinty has agreed to bring it forward to the legislature as soon as possible. Video of the mayor's statement is below.

More videos are available through Global.

It took them a while, but the TTC has finally announced the legal strike on their site last night.

It has just been confirmed that the legislature is being called for an emergency session on Sunday. So, it's possible we'll have back-to-work legislation passed by Monday as John Tory has already indicated his support in principle of this legislation. Understandably he wants to see it before making any outright promises.

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Photo of Union Station barricades by ceribria in the blogTO flickr pool.

UPDATE 1:50pm: Dalton McGuinty has recalled the legislature for 1:30 p.m. Sunday to debate back-to-work legislation. Fingers crossed that this means we'll have transit again on Monday.

UPDATE 2:00 p.m.: Howard Hampton has said that he's not going to comment yet on whether or not the NDP will support the back-to-work legislation. He pointed out that negotiations are ongoing and he hopes that a settlement can be reached that way.

UPDATE 5:40 p.m.: Howard Hampton has said that he will support the legislation. This means, barring any unforeseen complications, it looks like there will be TTC on Monday. Global news is reporting that a "Source in Premier's Office says the Legislation will take effect as soon as it receives Royal Assent. Penalties for defiance are $2000 per day for individuals and $25,000 per day for Union or employer. A "mediator/arbitrator" will settle matters still in dispute, with no appeal."

One of the things that has people the most angry is the lack of 48 hours notice for safety reasons. My gut reaction to this (and apparently many other's given the comments in this post) is that they have put their front-line staff in more danger by withdrawing service at midnight, with no warning, leaving people stranded on a Friday night. The drivers and ticket takers are out of harms way for now, but they will end up facing an irate population once they do return to work. I do not envy any of these front-line operators and I really hope that people don't take this out on individuals, individuals who may or may not have voted to strike, individuals who may be just as upset as the rest of Torontonians are, but with the added frustration of being loathed by all around them, and being forced into a situation where they have no choice but to stay away from work and not get paid.

In his statement last night, Mayor Miller said that the city is implementing it's contingency plans. He wasn't very clear what said contingency plans are, but he did say that there will be more information about how people should proceed on Monday. He has spoken to the chief of police, city manager and other senior city officials to ensure safety and public access to downtown and across the city this weekend.

Miller insisted that the TTC bargained in good faith and put forward a good contract. And that the strike action is unacceptable and unnecessary. He said that earlier Friday evening he spoke with union president Bob Kinnear earlier today and asked him to please honour the promise of 48 hours notice, but Kinnear refused. Miller said this was unacceptable and also irresponsible. The result is that the city kind of feeling a bit like we've had the rug pulled out from under us.

The Mayor asked Torontonians to stay tuned to local media for updates throughout the weekend. Thus far the only actual direction we've gotten from the Mayor is his plea that everyone help each other out. He didn't specify what this means, but I'm guessing it means help your 80 year old neighbour carry their groceries home, car pool to work, stuff like that...

680 News has an article that includes information about things like where specified Emergency No Parking Routes are being established to facilitate the movement of emergency vehicles through the city. Also, limited Wheel-Trans service will still be available for for customers who need to go to medical appointments for life-threatening illnesses.

By 2am on Saturday there are already stories of violence. A man called into 680 who was saying that fights were breaking out and a TTC worker had been grabbed and was being roughed up by angry folks stranded by the strike. And in the comments section of this article Andrew says: "I just got out of the station at Yonge & Eg - some very angry wannabecommuters... a couple started majorly swearing on the guy in the ticket booth." It's gonna get messy folks. Messy messy messy.

As of 12:30pm on Saturday apparently both sides have returned to the negotiating table and any media briefing has been postponed indefinitely. I'll be sure to update you if by some miracle someone comes out and talks to the media.

If you're looking to have your voice heard by the TTC, why not try sending them a message through their complaints form?

In the meantime, what are you going to do if there is a during the strike? Did you rush out and get a bike last weekend when it looked like we'd be facing a strike then? A sturdy pair of shoes? Camping gear so you don't actually have to leave work...

Windows of Spadina Station shattered by commuter anger.
Entrance windows of Spadina Station shattered. Photo taken at 3am by Tanja-Tiziana.


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Ossington Station, completely deserted. Photo submitted by photopia. Not a site you usually see at midnight.

Bathurst Station 2 hours after the TTC Strike sets in
Bathurst Station, equally quiet and surprisingly not covered in eggs by Annex partygoers. Photo by Tanja-Tiziana.

For more strike pictures check out the blogTO flickr pool.

Discussion

196 Comments

rotenblog / April 25, 2008 at 11:06 pm
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damn it! i knew there was some controversy, but come on! that was a pretty good contract!

public transit is an essential service NOW!
Danny Boy / April 25, 2008 at 11:11 pm
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What a bunch of assholes. If they think they were "verbally abused and harassed about the impending strike," just wait until service resumes after the strike.

Please, please, PLEASE get off your ass McGuinty and declare the TTC an essential service.
Michael / April 25, 2008 at 11:11 pm
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80 minute walk to work... Great.
At least the weather is nice now.
Rick / April 25, 2008 at 11:12 pm
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What does this mean for people who went out tonight using public transit? How will they get home? I'd hate to be leaving a bar or club at 1am drunk and find out that there's no TTC.
S / April 25, 2008 at 11:15 pm
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The news about stirke realllly sucks, especially because it's the weekend and you're right...there're plenty of people who will depend on it.

On another note, the photo rocks!! Stunning capture.
megan / April 25, 2008 at 11:16 pm
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Rick - yeah, that was the first thing I thought too.

No doubt that there will be lots of grumpy people around the city...
Jade / April 25, 2008 at 11:23 pm
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Okay so there's absolutely no service tomorrow???
Rick / April 25, 2008 at 11:23 pm
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I hate that one of the main reasons for striking is that maintenance workers are worried about job security and contracting out services. The TTC loses money and yet their employees can't be let go as a cost-cutting measure. Yes, losing your job sucks, but they shouldn't be allowed to keep their jobs for life simply because they're in a union.

This sucks, and I barely take the TTC.
Fred / April 25, 2008 at 11:23 pm
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They're putting peoples' lives at danger by walking out at midnight on a heavy bar-going night. No doubt, some people will try to drive home drunk because they have no other option (good luck catching a cab).

You know what? Fuck these guys.
Rick / April 25, 2008 at 11:25 pm
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For those playing along at home, everyone's favourite "Subway/RT Service Disruptions" page states: "There are no major disruptions at this time."
James / April 25, 2008 at 11:31 pm
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I don't think people will be driving home drunk if they took the TTC to the bar. Unless this sets off a rash of car thefts! ;)
Rian / April 25, 2008 at 11:32 pm
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I can't believe they just did this. I would rather that they had gone out on Monday when we knew about it happening rather than when many people are out and nobody has a way to get home now. Hell, I just got home an hour ago. How was I supposed to get home from the airport if this happened? Jerks.
Roger / April 25, 2008 at 11:36 pm
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You thought Montreal was dangerous after the Habs won their play-off game last Monday night... If there ever were a night to rile up the locals here, this may be it. Let's hope the Toronto police force is out in numbers and ready as this seems like a riot waiting to happen.
megan / April 25, 2008 at 11:37 pm
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Rick - ROTFLMAO
Rick / April 25, 2008 at 11:38 pm
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Just like underhanded thieves they took the transit service away in the middle of the night without warning.

Roger, you're right. Rioting and/or violence is definitely possible.
megan / April 25, 2008 at 11:39 pm
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Roger - actually, when it was still speculation that there would be a mindnight strike, the police stated that they were prepared for whatever the outcome was. There wasn't any kind of clarification of what that means, but I think is good indication that they're thinking along the same lines.
Fred / April 25, 2008 at 11:39 pm
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Well, you're probably right...but it's possible that someone could have driven down planning to just have a couple of drinks, gotten drunker than they planned on and decided to take a cab or the TTC home.

Either way, the TTC union is really gonna reap the whirlwind with this move.
ticked / April 25, 2008 at 11:44 pm
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I suppose that as per the failure to ratify an agreement, most unions are automatically set to strike. Thus, the 48hr warning only pertains to the negotiation stage, when the whole shebang is controlled by a small number of people. When the decisions are being made by an unpredictable group of thousands, I'm sure that fair warning doesn't come into play.

I would imagine that as the union leader who negotiated an agreement that failed to pass, Kinnear's job should be in question.

At the same time, Toronto was already facing budget shortfalls, Ontario has lost its economic base to Alberta and the currency shortfall, and as a country and a continent we're looking to face what the Toronto Star refers to as "2yrs of pain" -- I can understand why any union member would be looking for a better deal, but let's be realistic here folks... it's blood from a stone time.

for EVERYONE.

If anything, I think that we need to severely look at a system where 3-4yrs learning a trade, furthering your educational goals and applying yourself to a field of study ends up getting you paid the same amount of money (if not less) as the guy who simply got his license.

And please allow this Metropass customer a bit of far reaching rhetoric for a second , but maybe drop out rates wouldn't be as high if you couldn't leave in grade ten and make $56k starting pushing a lever on subway train.

As for the abuse. Go ask anyone in the service industry, how they're day's are, and whether they'd take 2/3'rds of the dough these guys make.

Rick / April 25, 2008 at 11:45 pm
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I'm not as worried about potential drunk drivers as I am about people being stranded.

This is just ridiculous.
karen / April 25, 2008 at 11:50 pm
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And another night where cab drivers might be turning away cheaper-fare customers due to crazy above-average demand.

48 hours notice my ass.
jack / April 25, 2008 at 11:51 pm
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they wouldn't have to worry about losing their job if they were all making $10 an hr... making almost $30 an hr guarantees you someone will lose his/her job..
Jade / April 25, 2008 at 11:51 pm
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I'm actually on CP24 now just so I can see if there'll be a riot on the streets tonight.
sniderscion / April 25, 2008 at 11:53 pm
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Two words-"Essential Service".

Rick / April 25, 2008 at 11:55 pm
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Bravo ticked. Bravo.

I get yelled at on the phone by idiots all the time during my job and I have a university degree. I could make more money and have better job security collecting tokens.

Yes, I'm sure TTC employees are overworked, I'm sure they're stressed, I'm sure the suffer abuse from customers. I'm sure their jobs are difficult and their days are long and hard. So are mine. So are millions of people in and around Toronto.

If my company loses money there's a chance I could lose my job and yet the transit workers immediately strike when even presented with the notion that they could be unemployed.

It's not only insane but it's wrong.

The worst part is that the true impact of this strike will be felt by those who cannot afford cars or cabs, those who don't make $27 dollars an hour.
Chris Orbz / April 25, 2008 at 11:58 pm
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Oh wow, my friend left Weston and sent me a text message saying she caught the last southbound train before the strike... I thought the driver was just screwing with her but then another friend sent me a message too and.... ooooooh mama.

I'm glad I'm at home right now!

I'd like to reiterate Sean's comment on the other post: the TTC should go on FARE STRIKE not a total walk-off... on Friday night of all times!!!! C'mon, TTC, it wouldn't be hard to get the whole city on your side like that, why are you treating us like this? This is supposed to help hostility towards TTC staff?
Trev / April 25, 2008 at 11:59 pm
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<i>You thought Montreal was dangerous after the Habs won their play-off game last Monday night... If there ever were a night to rile up the locals here, this may be it. Let's hope the Toronto police force is out in numbers and ready as this seems like a riot waiting to happen.</i>

Torontonians with a backbone. Cute. Egregiously false, but cute.

Three words, friends: FIRE. THEM. ALL. Failing that, because David Miller is a pansy, two more words: PRIVATE. TRANSIT.

You know, living in this hell hole of a city, there's a lot to be ashamed of. This takes the cake, friends.
alison / April 25, 2008 at 11:59 pm
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where's the 48 hours warning? WTF? People are entitled to have some time to make other arrangements! They inconsiderately strike without warning just because they can't endure heckling? SELFISH...really selfish.
montreal.shorts / April 26, 2008 at 12:01 am
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Why couldn't they wait until 4AM to go on strike? Four more hours and they would have saved SO much public support.

I think this is such a stupid move.
Chris Orbz / April 26, 2008 at 12:04 am
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I have never seen the TTC consider public opinion on anything. I do not understand why. :(
Andrew / April 26, 2008 at 12:05 am
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I just got out of the station at Yonge & Eg - some very angry wannabecommuters... a couple started majorly swearing on the guy in the ticket booth. I'd hate to see what it'll be like around Osgoode/St. Andrew at 1:30.
travellinmatt / April 26, 2008 at 12:06 am
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wow. i'm a big ttc supporter and a lefty, i've tried to argue in favour of the union at times, saying i didn't think they'd actually strike, bringing up that ttc workers undergo a lot of abuse... but this is appalling. do they no that they have approximately zero public support? maybe people should make "essential service" poster and counter-protest their pickets.
Tired Torontonian / April 26, 2008 at 12:07 am
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They are a bunch of lazy people who make already way more money than someone with a PHD, it's to start rethinking how things are dealt with. Too many writes, what about we who pay one of the most expensive fares in the world, who have to deal with their daily bad mood, lack of education? i'm tired and i'm sure i'm not the only one.
Boo / April 26, 2008 at 12:08 am
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Much of public transit in Europe is controlled by the public sector (routes, vehicles, fares, subsidies, service standards etc) but actually delivered by the private sector with very strict performance and quality standards. Lower costs, better quality, happier users. And not necessarily unhappier workers... TTC employees appear in a perpetual state of bitterness.

I think a lot of people will remember the 80-minutes notice. A fare strike until at least till tomorrow would have been an interesting alternative.
Roger / April 26, 2008 at 12:10 am
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To find a silver lining in this, at least they decided to strike at the end of the month, not after so many people have bought their metropasses for the month.
Tired Torontonian / April 26, 2008 at 12:11 am
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Sorry for the Grammar and Typos on my last post, typing from Ipod Touch, fast, supper fast :)
Boo / April 26, 2008 at 12:11 am
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What about the rider strike of May 2008? Don't buy a May metropass. Walk and bike. If you have to take transit, pay with pennies.
jack / April 26, 2008 at 12:11 am
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i wont be surprised if people are throwing stones at the ttc buses
James / April 26, 2008 at 12:13 am
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The TTC workers have now shown what greedy scum they are. God I wish they could just all be fired. They could be replaced in an instant with people who are willing to work for a FAIR wage. Being overpaid is just as unfair as being underpaid if it's coming out of the taxpayers pockets. This is just disgusting.
travellinmatt / April 26, 2008 at 12:14 am
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I'm mad and I have to admit I felt like yelling at the first ttc employee I saw, but really that doesn't help anyone, they may not have even voted for the strike, but a little digging turned up contact info for the union, so give them a call, send them a fax, write them a letter:

Amalgamated Transit Union, Local 113
812 Wilson Avenue
Downsview, Ontario
M3K 1E5

Phone: (416) 398-5113
Out of Town: 1-800-245-9929
Fax: (416) 398-4978

Kate / April 26, 2008 at 12:15 am
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This is just dangerous. There is no way that people could know about this. I'm worried about people at parties, clubs and bars trying to get home. Leaving the subway at 11:40 tonight we encountered 3 people who had no idea why their metro passes weren't working but luckily had cell phones and enough money for a taxi. This is NOT 48 hours notice and the TTC have just lost a whole lot of sympathy from the people of Toronto. Also what is with the TTC/Union PR? Launching a campaign on the day a possible future strike is suggested? Not a good idea. promising 48 hours and then not delivering also a piss poor bit of public relations and customer service. We want to like you TTC. I believe that the people of Toronto want to believe and fully endorse their public transit system but you make it so hard.
Chris Orbz / April 26, 2008 at 12:16 am
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Maybe we should declare our own fare strike when they resume service. I'm tempted to reveal various tidbits of knowledge I've happened to acquire about counterfeiting TTC fares, but I won't. I dunno, man. I'm disgusted. I'm more socialist and pro-union than is usually polite to reveal in mixed company, and honestly, this seems more like some sort of unionized fascism. I see no reason whatsoever for the union to treat the public like this except as is comparable to a hostage-taking. What did we ever do to you??
tired Torontonian / April 26, 2008 at 12:17 am
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Let's start a new movement pro "controlled by the public sector (routes, vehicles, fares, subsidies, service standards etc) but actually delivered by the private sector with very strict performance and quality standards. Lower costs, better quality, happier users. And not necessarily unhappier workers... TTC employees appear in a perpetual state of bitterness." as mentioned by Boo

They the bitter apples(get it), can be fired.
Angry / April 26, 2008 at 12:17 am
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"Worth A Million" my ass.
rotenblog / April 26, 2008 at 12:17 am
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UPDATE: dalton mcginty has agreed to legislate them back to work asap
Kate / April 26, 2008 at 12:19 am
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I suppose the thing is - people might not be able to get home tonight. Whereas calling a strike for Monday might mean people can't get to work calling one now, on such short notice,means that people might not be able to get home. Truly Unacceptable.
James / April 26, 2008 at 12:21 am
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A quote from Bob Kinnear (president of the union) from CTV.com

"The reports from our members of increases in threats and abuse from passengers last weekend, after we gave our original 48-hours' notice, has left us no choice but to withdraw our services immediately. We have a legal responsibility to protect the safety of our members and so does the TTC."

If he thinks it was bad last weekend, just wait until they go back to work. They just made it 10 times worse for themselves.
chriskayTO / April 26, 2008 at 12:22 am
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I like the idea of counterpicketing. I think if the public mobilized to do this,it would be great. Even greater would be if, during the next municipal election, there's a mayoral candidate who runs on a platform of firing all customer-facing staff of the TTC and replace them with people who actually give a damn and show some pride in their work, all while providing more than the current level, which is, uh, nothing.

Sadly, Torontonians don't have much of a backbone for these sort of things, so we will continue to be held hostage by groups like the ATU.
Tsar Kasim / April 26, 2008 at 12:22 am
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@ Chris Orbz: that just might happen anyway. Granted, those of us on the Metropass plan can't really do anything.

Luckily, I live near the Weston GO station and I still have my ticket from the last strike, so getting to work on Monday won't be too much of a stretch. However, make no mistake - if the church service last night went longer than it should have, I would have been screwed like a deviant Black & Decker.

Bad news all around...I get to stay in my apartment and do nothing today, but at least the Dairy Queen is a few steps away. ;-)
AMH / April 26, 2008 at 12:23 am
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Whoo Hoo. Heavy car cangestion means safe Cycling! And this doesn't affect cycling commute times at all!

And did anyone also notice that gas went up $0.02 tonight as well?

Cycling is safe, fun, FAST, and inexpensive.
chriskayTO / April 26, 2008 at 12:24 am
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PS - I'm already noticing the absence of noise - that streetcars aren't rumbling past my College St apartment every couple of minutes. Instead there are lots of people yelling randomly and cars honking. I'm not sure what that will accomplish, but I share their angst.
Kate / April 26, 2008 at 12:24 am
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chriskaytO
I am all for holding a rider protest/petition/union.
tired Torontonian / April 26, 2008 at 12:25 am
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Just a Quick note, nobody is obligated to clap and tap my back when im doing my Job, Grow up people, its part of any big city to be a little ignored by your customers. and you still gotta smile, thats what you are getting payed for!
ticked / April 26, 2008 at 12:26 am
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Kinnear has officially commented, saying that due to the increase in threats to their union members after the 48hr warning last weekend, they felt it wasn't safe to do so again.

The thing that I don't understand is that -once again, from CP24 -- drivers will be forcing people off their streetcars at midnight. Does that not increase the possibility of harm? Wouldn't it have been safer to go off the rails at the designated closing time, and shut down the blue line at the same time?

I do believe now that the TTC should be declared an essential service, allowing for work slowdown's (though really, could it be any slower?) but not full service shut downs.

So here's my question blogto folk -- where's the petition? for those who believe that this should be an essential service, where is the petition to Premier Dalton McGuinty and David Miller demanding it so. For those who don't think it should be an essential service, don't sign, for those who do -- sign up and tell a friend.

I got screwed out of a days wages last year when maintenance staged a wildcat strike over the same issue they're pissed over now. And here we are again.


montreal.shorts / April 26, 2008 at 12:28 am
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Kinnear: "We have assessed the situation and decided that we will not expose our members to the dangers of assaults from angry irrational members of the public,"

Read = "I'm about to be fired, and I know it."

What idiots.
krystyn / April 26, 2008 at 12:29 am
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I love biking and am prepared to do it... but the one thing I do not like about biking is arriving at my destination sweaty, and with the rain tomorrow, wet. I have a date tomorrow! How could I show up like that! Is it wrong that I am mostly concerned with my appearance??

Seriously though, can you imagine how many people still don't know right now that there's a strike? I am so lucky I decided to stay home tonight. I am totally predicting some riots at around 1:30-2am!
chriskayTO / April 26, 2008 at 12:30 am
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To all those saying "essential service"... remember that any service deemed essential has limited bargaining power, and they end up with higher wage increases generally than if they had a legal right to strike.

I say do NOT make them an essential service, but wipe out the unions. We're no longer in the 19th century. Replace them with people who are competent, are promoted and receive raises based on merit.
Trev / April 26, 2008 at 12:30 am
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Remember, essential service does NOTHING, unless you want these pathetic excuses for human beings to earn more money, and it probably won't curb strikes.

Essential service looks very attractive, but don't give in.
Andrew / April 26, 2008 at 12:33 am
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Online petition, anybody?
Shauna / April 26, 2008 at 12:34 am
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If this were any other city...there would some massive rioting going on right now. I don't know what that says about Torontonians...whether it says that they are willing to be civilized in moments of disarray or whether they are willing to let their local services play ping-pong with their emotions. Either way, something's gotta give!
sunshine / April 26, 2008 at 12:38 am
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how long does it take for the back to work legislation to kick in?
chriskayTO / April 26, 2008 at 12:39 am
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Probably at least not until Monday. They would need to call a session of the legislature.
tired Torontonian / April 26, 2008 at 12:40 am
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@ sunshine: a Judge has to sign it, if they manage to get one out of bed, they might be able to run it tonight
Andrew / April 26, 2008 at 12:47 am
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TORONTO ? Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty will introduce legislation to force TTC workers back to work, Toronto Mayor David Miller promised last night.

A visibly angry Mr. Miller held a press conference early Saturday morning, calling the transit union's decision to walk off the job ?irresponsible.?...

<a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080426.wttc0425/BNStory/National/?page=rss&;id=RTGAM.20080426.wttc0425">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080426.wttc0425/BNStory/National/?page=rss&;id=RTGAM.20080426.wttc0425</a>
megan / April 26, 2008 at 12:48 am
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Montrealshorts - LOL @ "Read = "I'm about to be fired, and I know it."
Paul L. / April 26, 2008 at 12:48 am
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I don't think I have ever been so deeply ashamed of our public transit as I am at this moment. I had a little compassion left for the Union for offering up 48 hours notice - I thought that was fair. Abandoning the citizens of a city who are currently outside in the warm night air, celebrating and enjoying the beginning of Spring/Summer (oblivious to what I will call a Wildcat strike) is shameful.

I would have supported a strike had it happened properly and with notice. It is going to take a long, long time for the sting to wear off from this stunt. I no longer feel sorry for the members of the ATU 113 - I'm just glad I have the ability, mobility, and possibility to utilize my bike to get to work + downtown.

Bob Kinnear? Resign. Right now. Members of the local ATU 113? I'm sorry you're not happy with your contract; and I'm also sorry for the backlash you will eventually face when you decide to return to work. Yes, some of your jobs are difficult and stressful - and as they are for everyone else in this city. Most of us endure stress in the workplace, we just can't utilize millions of people as puppets for our own personal gain.

What a disgusting mark you've put on our beautiful city for those who may be visiting from abroad. I sincerely hope everyone gets home safely tonight.
Bob Kinnear's butt / April 26, 2008 at 12:49 am
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Are they insane? You're telling me the TTC couldn't wait a few hours until at least the subways were due to close? How about all those partyers who are out drinking tonight? If you try and go on a subway with them, it's bad enough. Try telling them there's NO subway. Full-scale-fucking-riot.
megan / April 26, 2008 at 12:52 am
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Chriskay - "Probably at least not until Monday. They would need to call a session of the legislature."

Also, someone has to write the legislation. I mean, you can bet that someone's doing that right now as we type, but it still has to get written and stuff. So they really can't call an emergency session.

My guess is that the legislation will be introduced on Monday, and that they'll hold until then since talks are resuming on Saturday at 1 with a provincial mediator.
chriskayTO / April 26, 2008 at 12:53 am
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@ Paul L.

While I share in your outrage, history shows that people have a short memory when it comes to strikes. This city has endured at least a couple of horrible transit strikes, and no political change came about as a result.
concernedto / April 26, 2008 at 12:53 am
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That's INSANE. They couldn't wait till the next morning for people to get home safely?

"We have assessed the situation and decided that we will not expose our members to the dangers of assaults from angry irrational members of the public"

Well sure they're saving a few TTC members from being hurt, but how many people of Toronto have they just put in serious danger? This is insane.
megan / April 26, 2008 at 12:54 am
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tired Torontonian - it needs to be passed in the legislature, it isn't just a judge's signature. it's an actual piece of legislation.
harmless / April 26, 2008 at 12:57 am
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why could they not wait until the end of regular transit hours?

because they WANTED to strand people.

this is ON PURPOSE.

they have essentially DECLARED WAR on the public.

yay for EXTORTION GANGS! er... unions?
shalon / April 26, 2008 at 01:02 am
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i feel really lucky that a friend so kindly decided to call around 11:30pm and let us at the pub to let us know that this strike was actually happening. we managed to get the last subway home.

i was at work all day and had no idea.

ATU 113, i am not very happy with you right now.
Serb / April 26, 2008 at 01:13 am
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"Three words, friends: FIRE. THEM. ALL. Failing that, because David Miller is a pansy, two more words: PRIVATE. TRANSIT.

You know, living in this hell hole of a city, there's a lot to be ashamed of. This takes the cake, friends."

Word.

It all boils down to that, really.

You give these assholes enough power to demand higher wages over and over, give their union power to demand whatever the hell they want, and this is what happens when you realize that you're paying them way too much for what they're doing - they get scared and afraid they'll lose their jobs and then they cry and complain and walk out of their own jobs... what, the rest of the population doesn't have those fears? fuck you, you lazy assholes.

I'm just glad I stopped depending on the unreliable service (at best) of this public transport system in Toronto years ago... sure, I pay a bit more for my car and gas and all, but at least it doesn't take me 2 hours of waiting and another 2 in transport to get from one end of the city to another.

Irresponsible assholes.

I say fire them all as well, and introduce the system that works so well over in Eastern Europe (ie. Russia). If the trains are late for more than 1 minute, someone is getting fired that day... imagine how much more reliable the TTC schedules and buses would be if their jobs were actually at stake like that - no more of that watching of empty buses drive by your bus stop and waiting for an hour until an actual "working" bus came along (or sometimes 3 of them at the same time, just to piss you off even more).

Again, FIRE THEM ALL, cut the wages in half, and hire some people who would rather do what these TTC assholes do and still get paid twice as much as their current minimum wage of $8/hr.
Andrew / April 26, 2008 at 01:13 am
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Let them know what you really think...
atu113@wemovetoronto.ca

idiots.
HB / April 26, 2008 at 01:17 am
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This is the height of idiocy, truly.
I can't fathom how Kinnear thinks this enhances safety in the long run. Really, they should have gone back to the negotiation table, or at least set a possible deadline of Monday.
I don't blame the workers for rejecting the deal, but the Union heads for obviously being out of touch with the membership and putting a bad face on the entire workforce as a consequence.
I hope they call an emergency session of the legislature to bring in the back to work legislation, so people aren't affected on Monday. And Kinnear & co. should be made to pay for people's taxi rides tonight, for this cheap stunt.
Paul / April 26, 2008 at 01:18 am
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So they walked off the job with no notice because they figured the public would be abusive and irrational to the operators?

What do they figure the public will be like now that they've basically been stranded somewhere at midnight waiting for a bus that is never going to come?

If workers thought the public was abusive before, I can only imagine how much worse it will be after this walkout.
Tim / April 26, 2008 at 01:20 am
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So let me get this straight... in the midst of a recession a group of unskilled workers have decided 3% for 3 years is unacceptable? Can I have some of what they're smoking?
Kevin / April 26, 2008 at 01:21 am
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I was stranded at work by the ATU 113s decision to strike. By the grace of a kind co-worker who was leaving an hour after my shift ended, I got home. ATU 113 could have gotten themselves a shitload mode public support if they have gone on strike as of 4 or 5 am. I am generally pro-union, and I had the urge to stop by the subway yard and throw rocks at any TTC drive that I saw. VERY short-sited move on the unions part. Piss of your supporters in the public by giving next to no notice, and stranding people downtown and shift workers at work.
Terry / April 26, 2008 at 01:27 am
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Before someone has a heart attack, the following post is intentionally dripping with sarcasm:

The TTC is totally justified in this strike. First of all, they're only getting a 3% wage increase a year. That's over 0.3% less than ING Direct gives in a savings account! It's not fair unless the TTC wages go up faster than someone saving their money can earn. The "our wage penis must always be longer than the GTA's" clause was a good start, but clearly not enough.

Secondly, it's not like the TTC is paralyzing the city by doing this. All the people making $20,000 a year who commute 3 hours a day standing like a sardine just to get across the city via the TTC can easily grab a taxi for the low round-trip price of $100 or risk being fired for not showing up. I mean, they earn $100 a day, so they can afford $100 a day for a taxi. Likely they'll have a husband or wife that can taxi to a closer workplace to still earn a net profit on their day's work. Worst case, they'll only be striking for two weeks and if people don't have $1,000 saved for cab fare? Well, you should have thought in advance. As an alternative, go buy a bike and cycle 50k a day. It's good exercise.

Hopefully people can understand the need for a strike and will appreciate the generous two hour notice that was given. It's the modern age, and we hope those that make $12.50 an hour that work the saturday graveyard shift will at least spend some of their disposable income on internet access and a decent PC to learn of this strike and make their plans accordingly.
Ray / April 26, 2008 at 01:28 am
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What a bunch of lard asses. I can't believe that a lot of TTC bus and street car drivers STILL refuse to announce stops! Fire'em all!
syntaxerr0r / April 26, 2008 at 01:29 am
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This strike is a shame, doing it on friday night with no warning is like backstabbing the whole population. I hope the TTC will be declared an essential service, because it is one, and that Kinnear will be fired with prejudice, because that's all he deserves.

Now, to those who think it's so much better in Europe where the public transports are privatized, well, I got news for you: they go on strike so often you are amazed when everything works according to schedule. Trust me, essential services like this must remain public, otherwise you can say goodbye to any service in any area that's not profitable. It really sucks when the line that goes through your neighborhood gets shut down because it doesn't generate enough profit. It doesn't need to lose money, just not generate enough profit to the shareholders' eyes, so be careful for what you wish for.

I suppose the best compromise would be to make the TTC an essential service, or at least make sure a minimal service remains in place in case of a strike. After all, it's not their fault if we, educated people, are underpaid (even if I think TTC employees are quite overpaid) and under-organized. Unions aren't evil and it's counterproductive to come up with jealous comments regarding how good they're having it when we should be fighting to get it BETTER.

But I'm still pissed off at the TTC's union for pulling that one as I depend on them and will most likely lose my job if there's no public transit monday morning. Then I'll be really-really angry and I pity the first TTC worker who'll have to deal with my anger!
Adam / April 26, 2008 at 01:34 am
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I agree with those saying the TTC needs to clean house. Privatize it, get someone in there who knows what the hell they're doing. This is just ridiculous.

I was in a bar at around 12:30 where people were looking at the TV's (tuned to CP24 with 'TTC ON STRIKE') in shock, really not knowing how they're going to get home.
North York / April 26, 2008 at 01:34 am
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Haha, of course even the TTC facebook page is taking a beating, but that's to be expected. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Toronto-ON/Toronto-Transit-Commission-TTC/6345133701?ref=s
North York / April 26, 2008 at 01:39 am
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Oh, and I was lucky enough to text my friend in time to let her know about the strike - she's prob gonna have to get a cab to Scarborough from the depths of downtown, woohoo.
Eric / April 26, 2008 at 01:39 am
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Let's not be rude to the TTC workers when service resumes at some point? Or violent, but that's a given. I mean, so is being not-rude, but, um, yeah. I *want* to yell at the TTC drivers, but I probably won't the next time I step on a streetcar, simply because it isn't constructive in the least. I assume there are inanimate objects we can all take our rage out on.

Make hugs, not thuggery. Huggery.
Kevin / April 26, 2008 at 01:44 am
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Eric: Why shouldn't we be rude to a group of people who have shown the riders nothing but contempt with this strike action? The lack of consideration that the union showed with the timing of this strike is astonishing in its magnitude. I cannot think of a way to generate more anger than perhaps going on strike at 5 am on a Monday Morning. Ill conceived timing to say the least. Why not go on strike as of 4am?
tired Torontonian / April 26, 2008 at 01:44 am
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Fuck that, be Rude, yell, be a pissed off human being, because as a tax payer and owner of my own business i cannot strike. They need to know that we are f* pissed off, ad this shouldn't ever happen again.
karly / April 26, 2008 at 01:46 am
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An open letter to the TTC (not the union):

Dear TTC Human Resources,

My name is Karly and I'm a science student at U of T. I am currently looking for a full-time summer job and since I noticed that you are having some issues with your current employees, I thought I would write you to apply for a position.

I, an educated, and approchable individual with extensive experience in customer service and cash-handling, feel that I am qualified to work at a station taking tickets from patrons who just want to get home. I would gladly work for half of what you're paying your current employees.

Attached is my resume. Please call me when you get some sense.

Sincerely,
Karly

P.S. And I don't even want to join the union.
Silly Rabbit / April 26, 2008 at 01:48 am
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The whole population of this city should just boycott TTC for like 6 months (find a way to get around, car pool, get a bike, etc), and find a private replacement to this whole TTC unionized bullshit.

City should cut the wages to a half, set its own terms, and either invite all those willing to work on those terms/wages back to work, or hire some new people... Everyone else should be more than free to stay at home and see what it feels like to be unable to pay your bills and make your ends meet just because you're not getting paid enough (or at all, since you're being a stubborn fucken bastard and you won't work unless you've got a 3% wage increase every year, you douche!).

That should bring the TTC cost of what, $2.75 down to a half or so as well, and make it a bit more affordable to ride the goddamn thing.
megan / April 26, 2008 at 01:48 am
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Just to add onto what Eric said... Also, you don't know that the person you're hurling abuse at voted to not accept the proposed contract. They may very well have been just as pissed off as you that there's a strike, you know, what with the suddenly not having an income and stuff like that.

I totally understand your frustration, and I think that it makes sense to make your voices heard to the union directly, but not a driver directly, 'cause you may be yelling at them for something they didn't do (not that I think it's really a good thing to yell at them even if they did, but you get my point...)
Jack Daniels / April 26, 2008 at 01:51 am
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WHOA!

DRIVING HOME SMASHED WAS HARDER THAN I REMEMBERED! ESPECIALLY HAVING TO DRIVE ALL MY OTHER FRIENDS HOME. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED WITH THE TTC?
tired Torontonian / April 26, 2008 at 01:51 am
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@ Megan & Eric, well than they should wear a T shirt saying i dont support the Union.
Paul L. / April 26, 2008 at 01:52 am
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@ Kevin -

That one TTC driver/employee you take your anger out on may be one of the 45% that voted 'YES' for the new contract. Don't destroy the sanity and devotion of one of the good drivers out there for the sake of airing your grievances.

I'm more apt to standing along the Spadina Streetcar line, protest sign in hand so that both the driver + the public can see the message "DO YOU THINK YOU DESERVE $30+/HR TO PUSH THREE BUTTONS AND TWO PEDALS?".

Something needs to change. Now.
Drunk Driver # 113 / April 26, 2008 at 01:53 am
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DUNDAS STREET WEST SUBWAY RIOTS!

Word on the street is that some people started a fire and broke the windows and doors
karly / April 26, 2008 at 01:54 am
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@ Paul L,

I'd join you on that streetcar line.
Susan Bird / April 26, 2008 at 01:55 am
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Okay, guys, don't use this as an excuse to do union-bashing. Unions have brought us some wonderful stuff. And I certainly think that the job of a TTC employee sounds gruelling -- health studies show that these types of workers are among the most prone to heart problems, not to mention the assaults and general demeaning work that any sane service person would quit. So hurl insults at this stupid, dangerous decision on the TTC's part, and at the TTC itself... but keep some perspective.
alison / April 26, 2008 at 01:58 am
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@ Susan

Sure, we're all greatful for the groundbreaking stuff unions have done for us. But this isn't 1848, unions are outmoded for the fast pace society we live in where life-time job security and 3% wage increases are nothing but a luxury.
Kevin / April 26, 2008 at 02:00 am
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@ Paul L.

Numbers are a bit off there sir... 65% of the union voted to strike... almost exactly 2 out of 3. And I'm not saying I would get rude, as I am, in general, a very polite person. But I feel that the TTC Union has violated the public interest, and potentially put thousands of people at risk with the way that this strike has been started... What would it have harmed if they had delayed the start of the strike for 2 or 3 hours, enough time for people to get home safely from their friday night activities or, like myself, and I'm sure hudreds, if not thousands of others who work shift work, and now have to scramble. If not for the kindness of a co-worker who drove half an our out of his way, I would have had a 2+ hour walk to get home.
Trev / April 26, 2008 at 02:04 am
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Susan,

Are you going to pay me the $175 I'm losing this weekend in income?

Didn't think so.

Did you go to high school in the Harris years, in which trying to be a musician wasn't an option, due to all the strikes and lockouts?

Did unions save my mother's job when she got laid off from a hopsital? No.

To call unions useless would be a great disservice to all who have been called useless.
Paul L. / April 26, 2008 at 02:09 am
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@ Kevin

It's 2:05am, my math is a little off ;)

I'm just saying that taking this issue out on a single, solitary TTC employee is setting a bad precedent. I agree it's hard to resist yelling at an employee at a time like this as venting to the Internet yields little result (for the most part), but you risk damaging the psychological well-being of someone who isn't part of the greedy bunch at ATU 113. Someone who might take their job with pride, and treat their customers politely.

They may seem few and far between at the moment, but they exist - and most of us I'm sure have had a nice conversation or interaction with a TTC employee.
SCREWFACE / April 26, 2008 at 02:14 am
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What fuckin' pricks. What fuckin' pricks.

Not even a 48 hours notice, as promised. Not even 24 - not even 4. That's what pissed me off. Having to scratch a ride from a friend's packed car at 1 in the AM, with a inebriated state of mind isn't the most pleasant thing to do.

If your gonna strike, which is apparently a TTC "right", have the decency to live up to the promised word. Yes, it's a right, but have some respect to the rules.

<i>"We have assessed the situation and decided that we will not expose our members to the dangers of assaults from angry and irrational members of the public. </i>
Ironic. I bet the windows and doors business will be making some money this weekend, judging from what I have seen.
Eric / April 26, 2008 at 02:22 am
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Hahahaha, Trev. "To call unions useless would be a great disservice to all who have been called useless." Hahaha, best thing i've heard today.
Kevin / April 26, 2008 at 02:28 am
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@Paul L

I take transit every freakin' day. Most of the time, I LOVE my TTC drivers. But the betrayal of public safety and complete and utter disregard of the riders that COUNT on this service that this strike shows... Well, I'm a little beyond angry. I'm not saying that they should not have gone on strike.. (Well, I do think the deal was more than fair...)... but the way in which the Union chose to go on strike is so far beyond appalling I don't even have the words to convey how disgusted I am.
Racke / April 26, 2008 at 02:32 am
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I feel that this is a punitive measure against the public for their supposed abuses against TTC employees last weekend. Of course, this'll only increase the likelihood of confrontation with TTC staff.
Matt / April 26, 2008 at 02:34 am
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The TTC's action tonight was dangerous and unacceptable. Legal action needs to be taken here - how many people were stranded in the middle of nowhere at midnight on a Friday? How many vulnerable passengers were left alone on bus platforms waiting for a ride that was never going to show up?
ticked / April 26, 2008 at 02:37 am
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its a very good point chriskay, essential service would place contract negotiations into arbitration, which could be costlier.

and Susan, I do accept the idea that unions are indeed there to protect the workers. I belong to a union myself, and to be honest with you, I haven't a clue what they do aside from protect my lazier colleagues from being disciplined. Unions SHOULD be there to protect the employees, fair wage, safe working conditions etc.

I think if this was about making their jobs safer, and helping prevent abuse, we all might get on board. But the deal wasn't ratified because maintenance workers don't like the idea that the folks who will be making our new subways etc. are providing service warranties for their product, thus lessening their jobs, and in some cases I'm sure, making them redundant.

This is about job security, a term which by now has gone the way of the dodo. And as it should. Market dictates all.

If you run a restaurant that ain't raking it in, well, staff gets cut down to two wait-staff who will now also tend bar for the same money. That's the only way the place will survive. Now, under union conditions, those employee's would demand more money to provide more services, plus paid time for training, courses, etc. etc. And by the time the restaurant has met all those demands, its so far in debt it closes. And y'know what, your job security disappears because there is NO BUSINESS TO WORK IN NOW.

Here's the catch with transit though. It's not going to close. No matter how much money it costs, transit isn't going to up and disappear. Fares will go up, certain things will be cut, but transit isn't going to go belly up, get sold off for scrap and never be seen from again. Why? Because there's too much of a demand for it, and why is that?

Because it is an essential service to the city. Even moreso in these green times. So why not legally make it so.

In closing, I think that all public service employee's (including the politicians themselves) should think long and hard about their jobs in the scope of being a public corporation. The service you provide is a business, and the business has to be sustained by stable finances generated by your business. The money you earn, the money you spend in your job is not infinite just because the govt. owns the joint.

and that's not just because of the good ole touchy feely sentiment that "this is the people's money".

But because you can only cannabalize the company to a point -- before it starts eating its own.

Unions fight for your rights, not your priveleges, and a job-for-life is more like a lottery promotion than a reality. So get with it.
Jerrold / April 26, 2008 at 02:41 am
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A friend of mine tells me that windows at Ossington Station have been smashed.
Jerrold / April 26, 2008 at 02:45 am
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Are shuttle buses really <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/semlady/2442560774/sizes/o/in/pool-26909951@N00/">in service</a>? lol.
Kanishk / April 26, 2008 at 02:53 am
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Was on a streetcar just around midnight (this car was running its last route) and another passenger and I got talking to the driver about the strike... he said its the maintenance workers who have issues with the deal and "if it was just the operators, there would be no strike"... Sadly the general public isn't going to know or care who's responsible, and will take out their frustrations on the only people they see (collectors, operators) and these guys probably won't deserve whats coming their way... not a good situation in so many ways.
megan / April 26, 2008 at 03:06 am
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I stand corrected about the legislation thing. It sound like they may have the legislation written up shortly, and it sounds like they're calling a special session of the leg sunday. It's all speculation at this point thought. Tory is saying he'll support it (once he reads it of course), and so it will get through the house quickly. So, there are some optomistic people who are saying it might mean transit again by monday. Personally I'm not going to hold my breath.
Chris / April 26, 2008 at 04:02 am
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I'm curious -- is it legal for a corporation to start a competing service to the TTC? I understand that such an undertaking would require a lot of initial investment, but I'm wondering if even offering limited routes at, say, a cheaper price, would be a legally feasible. If anyone could provide me with info, I'd be grateful.
ryan / April 26, 2008 at 05:20 am
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ABU = Abolish Transit Unions. I agree with the post above 'no to essential service' why gives these evil pricks more money, maybe that's what they're playing for. Time for an online petition! i took 5 seconds to write this petition up http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ttcsucks/
dave / April 26, 2008 at 05:44 am
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Up until now I'd been generally supportive of the TTC right to strike as one of the tools used to obtain fair and reasonable settlement for their employment contract. Sure I faced the possibility of a long walk to work or perhaps I'd just take the day off and spend it with my 7 month old daughter. This abrupt and sudden removal of services that left potentially thousands of people stranded all over the city is nothing more than a vengeful and vindictive act by the transit union against the citizens of the city of Toronto. In other countries riots have occurred simply over fare increases, I can imagine what withdrawal of service may have caused. I would be very surprised if there were any riots in Toronto over this since I view Toronto and Canadian citizens in general as being relatively docile people. They may shout and complain but they are very unlikely to take to the streets (unless the Leafs ever win). That being said I'd say to the union to enjoy your strike while it lasts because it is very likely to be the last time the city faces a transit strike. TTC as an essential service? The time has come.
Karin Wyman / April 26, 2008 at 05:46 am
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We made reservations @ a restaurant to meet 4 people from various parts of TO to celebrate my 65th b.day Saturday. None of us drive. We rely on the TTC. Guess I'll be celebrating by myself.

What about Wheeltrans? Medical appointments, dialysis 3 times a week. Those are disabled ppl who cannot work due to hemodialysis 4 hour session each, 3 times a week. Taxi?? They can't afford it.

Peoples' lives are at stake. People will lose their jobs for not having shown for the midnight shift. Nurses finishing at 11 pm finding themselves in front of a locked Subway station.

A world class city, my arse. We need a new mayor who doesn't pussy foot around. We need a new TTC boss. This young guy we have now has just come off his diapers for pete's sakes.

If Toronto wants to continue to be part of commerce and trade, get rid of the bumbling idiots that run this city.
Signed, madder than hell.

And what's with the young people of today? When I was in my 20's we had sit ins, we demonstrated. Today's generation has no back bone. I am not surprised the TTC can do what they want, you young ppl are pushovers, lethargic, bumbling idiots.
ryan / April 26, 2008 at 05:57 am
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@Karin Wyman "you young ppl are pushovers, lethargic, bumbling idiots. " Ouch! What's the weather like up there on your cross?
Karin Wyman / April 26, 2008 at 06:32 am
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Why, in my time we knew how to make our voices heard. And we did it. Because we cared.
Remember the protests?? The protest songs?? Demonstrations? Kent State? People setting themselves on fire?
Now, I?m not suggesting that the young adults of this generation should set themselves on fire, or get themselves shot at, but where the hell are the protests and the protest songs? Where are the demonstrations?
And what about the protest songs? Where are the Bobs and Jonis and Arlos of today - where are they??
Where is the zeal? The outrage? The passion? The involvement??
Where, oh WHERE, are the young adults who should be out waiving protest signs with enthusiasm, singing protest songs with energy, and yelling at passers by, and yes, even the law?
Have we raised a nation of pussies?
C?mon, join in and sing it with me?

Where have all the protests gone?
Long time passing?
Where have all the protests gone?
Long time ago?
Where have all the protests gone?
They?ve gone down in apathy, every one?

When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
ryan / April 26, 2008 at 07:07 am
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@Karin Wyman That post made my morning LOL! Cheers!
Ry-Tron / April 26, 2008 at 07:46 am
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Karin, I think it's a result of there being fewer acid dropping hippies on the planet, for which I'm very thankful for. I mean come on, it looks like you tried to start a song and drum circle in the COMMENTS SECTION with your last post.
rocketeer / April 26, 2008 at 07:57 am
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Facebook petition group:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=15072197546&;ref=mf

While said groups are pointless more often than not, maybe Bob Kinnear uses facebook and seeing a million people who wouldn't accept his friend request would make him sad.
ryan / April 26, 2008 at 08:22 am
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Nice one rocketeer!
anon / April 26, 2008 at 08:51 am
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One word Lockout. For those who need a history lesson google Ronald Regan and air traffic controllers.
apetimberlake / April 26, 2008 at 09:02 am
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I spoke to several drivers last weekend and they told me that there are a group of TTC union memembers that take a hard line and bully others.
johnnylee / April 26, 2008 at 09:15 am
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If you're looking for a place to send petitions or to picket, the ATU headquarters address is:

Amalgamated Transit Union, Local 113
812 Wilson Avenue
Downsview, Ontario
M3K 1E5

Phone: (416) 398-5113
Out of Town: 1-800-245-9929
Fax: (416) 398-4978

Note: All correspondence should be addressed to the Secretary-Treasurer Les Moore

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Peter G / April 26, 2008 at 09:34 am
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They were supposed to give 48 hours notice. When you deal in bad faith, as the TTC has, it follows that they should expect that commuters they strand will be upset.

And what are they bargaining for?? These people want 100% subsidy for vague 'leave' periods which 'result from abuse'. Give them this, and they'd never come back to work!

I belong to a union. And I have a lot more education and professional qualifications than these people. And I am not allowed to sit at home and collect 100% of my salary and not return to work because I feel 'stressed'. My union doesn't allow this, and neither should theirs.
Sean / April 26, 2008 at 09:38 am
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If they think they were "verbally abused and harassed before the strike," just wait until service resumes after the strike.
Dave / April 26, 2008 at 09:55 am
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What I hate is that once the strike is over, people will be yelling at streetcar drivers, not knowing how that person voted.
Sean / April 26, 2008 at 09:58 am
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I retract my last statement. I was naturally upset like the most of you.

I hope there's peace in all this and we should all be civilized to show we will not emulate the Montrealers after a hockey game.

The union members have the right to vote on their agreement.

We in turn, have the right to vote for a new mayor.

We also have the right to boycott the TTC if we can.

My gut feeling is that the province will make the TTC an essential service. In the meantime, hang in there folks.

Peace.

Sean.
noni / April 26, 2008 at 09:58 am
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How bloody incompetent must these union leaders be? I mean, this is probably the most union-friendly council & mayor they could ever hope to have, and as many have pointed out, they could have saved a lot of public pain by delaying their action a few hours. If there was something in the agreement that was such a deal-breaker for the maintenance workers, why was it not addressed earlier? Are they TRYING to make everyone hate them? How is any of this constructive at all?

Mimi / April 26, 2008 at 10:02 am
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It's upsetting to see individuals vandalizing TTC stations and verbally or physically threatening TTC workers. I was on the 504 street car last night at 11:45 not knowing there was a strike until I heard about it from other passengers after I boarded. Our driver pulled into the station after midnight and then went back out to continue the route southbound. I'm sure there were a lot of TTC employees who just wanted to finish their shift last night. Busting up TTC stations and employees doesn't help anyone, and just wastes more money in the long run.

That being said, I'll add my voice to chorus of those frustrated by the union. I have an MA and am a fulltime employee at one of Canada's largest broadcasters and I was shocked to see how much better the average TTC employees benefits are. And job security? Ha! Not where I work.
Tim / April 26, 2008 at 10:44 am
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Wow, that was a really awful thing to do.

When I went to my friend's party there was TTC service. I expected that I'd at least be able to get home safely! Instead it was 4 of us waiting at a stop and waiting and waiting and waiting until a nice driver in a car slowed down to shout out her window "They're on strike!"

I guess the taxi drivers had a good night.
Tim / April 26, 2008 at 11:11 am
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Andrew / April 26, 2008 at 11:12 am
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I appreciate the work they do, and the wage is reflective of many other professional trade services, like carpentry, glazing, or electricians. I question the need for paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to executives who still can't seem to run a cost-efficient transportation network. That being said, they have no right to use me and my need to travel to my place of employment as a bargaining chip.

Lost Pay = 416 ($26 X 16 hours)
Strike Pay = pennies
Kinnear's decision to strike = Priceless (or should I say fruitless, you do the math)
Kenny / April 26, 2008 at 11:17 am
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The best way to get back at the TTC is to PETITION, BOYCOTT, and REFUSE to use the transit system for at least 1 month. Then their job security is out the door.

But Torontonians don't have the balls to do that.
Stu / April 26, 2008 at 11:27 am
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Silent protest. Wear a badge on your lapel which has the following printed on it "I'd rather be at the dentist than on this vehicle", the next time your on the bus/subway.
Tsar Kasim / April 26, 2008 at 12:08 pm
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Stu, you just gave me an idea...perhaps I'll take off the subway button I usually wear on my jacket. Ironically, it isn't even sold by the TTC.

Even better...maybe the people at Spacing can make a new button with the word "Screwed" on it. ;-)

Here's the button site:
http://spacing.ca/buttons.htm
Serb / April 26, 2008 at 12:11 pm
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Silent protest? What are you, a pussy?

As Karin stated above, why not stand up and yell out what you really feel like?

Boycott the TTC service for a year. Find another way to get around the city.

And seriously though, if those maintenance workers are thinking their job is tough, dangerous, and are being harrased a lot, why don't they do what every other employee in this world would do - QUIT AND FIND ANOTHER JOB, you lazy prick!
igor / April 26, 2008 at 12:14 pm
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What modern city allows itself to be hostage to these gangsters? Disband the union, arrest their leaders NOW!
Ivana / April 26, 2008 at 12:46 pm
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This is a pussy move on their part. I am slowly, but surely loosing all my respect for ttc.
Karly / April 26, 2008 at 12:47 pm
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@Karin Wyman:
"I am not surprised the TTC can do what they want, you young ppl are pushovers, lethargic, bumbling idiots."

Excuse me? How about you oldie then show us how its done. The TTC is relied upon by all Torontonians, not just the young. How about you get off your retired ass and do something to..instead of insulting us.

@Kenny:
"But Torontonians don't have the balls to do that."

Torontonians don't have the means to do that. I agree, it would be the best way to show them how angry we are, but its just not possible.
RandomTangent / April 26, 2008 at 12:59 pm
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This is the biggest bullshit to end all bullshits. Not the fact that the union voted down the agreement, no not that. I mean the bullshit reason for not giving 48 hours notice. Or even 8 hours notice. Any remaining public support for TTC workers has evaporated.
krystyn / April 26, 2008 at 01:05 pm
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I agree completely Karly. I would love to have the whole city refuse to use the TTC for a month but there is no way I could do that, and I'm sure there are people who rely on it much more than I do. It has nothing at all to do with "balls".
apetimberlake / April 26, 2008 at 01:09 pm
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The thing that pisses me off the most is that the vast majority of TTC drivers are Fat old white men that don't even live in the city and actually seem to not even like where they work.
Resilance / April 26, 2008 at 01:15 pm
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As may have been said before, when they TTC workers return, violence will only heighten the problem that they went on strike for in the first place. Maybe if more things were done to stop the harassment and violence in the first place; by the other riders and not just the officials, then we wouldn't be faced with this situation right now.

The ttc is used to get from A to B. Pay your fair, get in the vehicle, and get to your destination. If you don't like having to do any of that, then just stay off the TTC.

I saw a post above about "holding the city hostage". Maybe it's safe to say that the city held the TTC hostage first? ...About the mechanical workers tho, i dont see how that should screw with the rest of the system. Especially since they are arguing about the jobs being contracted out. That is because ALOT of the buses are new as you may notice and are STILL UNDER WARRANTY. Most of you know, that if you want to keep something under warranty, you have to send it to the manufacturer to be fixed, or good-bye free work.

The 1-hour notice was a bit harsh, but after giving their original 48 hours notice last weekend, abuse of TTC workers INCREASED. That doesn't sound like a city that wants to keep their "Essential Service" from striking.
Dave M / April 26, 2008 at 01:29 pm
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I plan on harrassing and spitting on any every TTC employee I encounter. They deserve nothing better. scumbags, I'd actually like to fire them all and bring in new people.
tired Torontonian / April 26, 2008 at 01:32 pm
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@ Resilance: F* you, for how long have you been part of the ATU?


I say we all jump the gates and don't pay for a week, than i'm sure they will start to listen.


Racists(Fact) Fat Fucks, who make too much, to press 3 buttons
Resilance / April 26, 2008 at 01:32 pm
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@Dave M: so by bringing in new people all the problems would be resolved, or would that just give you new people to spit on?
Trev / April 26, 2008 at 01:38 pm
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Now don't insult people who disagree with you, so long as they're not part of the ATU. It only fuels their, ahem, complaint, that the prima donna bus drivers get abused.

Oh, and private transit violates the City of Toronto Act.
:(
Dave M / April 26, 2008 at 01:44 pm
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the TTC instituted the POP program on the Queen streetcar back in the 90's and it seems to work great. so why 15 years later have they not expanded this to the other streetcar lines. instead they actually have people standing along the major intersections downtown to check if someone has a transfer to allow them to get on the back doors. yet they say they need more money. well instituting POP means there are at least 20 salaries or about 2 million in savings annually. in this day and age, why do we need TTC supervisors standing on the streets to direct the cars. are they really that incompetent? (i know the answer)

and i don't plan on spitting on the drivers, but i do plan on sharing some expletives with them - and telling them where they can stick their strike.
Rich / April 26, 2008 at 01:45 pm
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This is no surprise. Although there are kind TTC works out there, for an organization that is providing a service to the community they have a large number of bitter and rude employees. Time and time again I have witnessed and experienced acts of disrespect towards riders. I had one bus driver refuse to tell me if the bus I was on would lead me to my final destination. I had another deliberately give me wrong directions?then turning to a friend and laughing about it (he was not aware I was listening at that point). I have even heard a TTC fair collector use the ?N? word in a dispute she was having with a rider.

This strike, and the manner it was done in, reflects the disrespect the organization has for the riders. They forget where their paychecks ultimately come from. Because the TTC staff is part of an organized group (the union), they feel that they have power over riders. I think it?s time for riders to organize themselves and react to these types of strikes. A facebook group would be a good start. The first thing riders should do is have a ?pay your fair in pennies day?. lol.
rotenblog / April 26, 2008 at 01:52 pm
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very quickly losing faith in the NDP...
jack / April 26, 2008 at 01:56 pm
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A & F boy looks nice standing in the backgroud
Karly / April 26, 2008 at 02:01 pm
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@rotenblog:

I feel the same. Wtf was with Hampton?? He told us nothing! Atleast Tory came out and stated his opinion.
Amber / April 26, 2008 at 02:06 pm
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as a student who has finals on monday and depends on the ttc to make from etobicoke to downtown, i am VERY angry and stressed out , & i hope that the mayor has the guts to introduce the work order thing.
& as for them being "verbally abused" and "traumatized", GROW UP , ask any cashier,salesperson, who makes a third of their salary what its like to be spit on and sworn at. the ttc workers seem to think they are God's gift to the city, there are police officers, EMTs, firefighters who actually save lives for much less money then the transit workers sitting around on their fat ass's all day. so thank you ttc for fucking up my day.
Katie / April 26, 2008 at 02:07 pm
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I think the best thing for Toronto would be to privatize the TTC, dissolve the union and make these guys actually EARN their rediculous wages. There needs to be some accountability.

I haven't taken the TTC in over a year, and I refuse to every again, when they pull stunts like this. Not to mention the outrages prices that we have to pay for such shitty service.
When I started working downtown at a Monday-Friday job, I worked out what it would cost me in transportation, and it broke down something like this:
- metropass: not worth it if I was only riding M-F, 2 times a day.

- tokens: $2.25 each way, but that doesn't include parking (because there's no efficient route to get from my house to a subway station. Parking at Yorkdale is $5 if you get there before 10am)... that means I would pay $72.50 for one week. Therefore, also not worth it, because it's a severe rip off.

Then I realized that I could park right across the street from where I work - at Front & John - for a reduced rate of $10/day. That means I'm paying $50 (plus gas, but I don't go through an entire tank in a week if I'm only going to and from work), AND I have the comfort of my own car?

SCREW YOU TTC. Way to make wanting to go green COMPLETELY not affordable for the everyday person.

I am so angry, I can't even explain it. Nothing pisses me off more than the TTC.
97bus / April 26, 2008 at 02:13 pm
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They're "worth a million" each.
<a href="http://www.worthamillion.ca/";>http://www.worthamillion.ca/<;/a>
Yeah, right.
RandomTangent / April 26, 2008 at 02:17 pm
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I like the idea of "tired Torontonian" (we all jump the gates and don't pay for a week) and as an alternative, possibly Rich's idea (pay your fare in pennies day).

I really think change has to happen and the public has a right to demonstrate (e.g. Karin's comments) to show these people that their actions have consequences.

I propose when service resumes, we all hop the subway turnstiles and walk briskly to the platform, or if you're getting on a bus/streetcar you breeze right past the fare box. If the collector/driver comes out of their cage or driver seat to ask you for your fare, you tell them "I don't want to pay my fare, are you going to make me?" I guarantee most of the time they won't come after you. But if they answer yes to the above question, then simply flash your Metropass or go back and give them the fare and your part in the demonstration is over.

If they don't come after you? You've made your point. If enough of us do this, we hurt both the TTC and the Union, and they realize that public goodwill is what puts cash in their fareboxes.

I propose we do this for a MONTH to bring them to their knees and spur some real change.

I really want to be proud of my city's transit system in the future, because I love this city and I want it to have viable transit. However, I've come to the conclusion this weekend that it will be impossible to do that with an outdated transit commission working on outdated equipment and infrastructure at the mercy of an outdated mode of worker organization.

This idea is better than any petition, which is no real way to cause quick change.

This idea is better than spitting on or abusing transit workers, because human beings should not have to treat any other human beings like shit. That would be totally counterproductive and stupid and ineffective.

This idea is better than a boycott because many people in this city cannot boycott this essential means of getting around.

What do you think? If anyone likes this idea, they can start a site or a Facebook group or whatever and run with it, because I don't have the time to organize anything like that. But I just wanted to get the idea out there.

Anson (a.k.a. RandomTangent)
Chris Orbz / April 26, 2008 at 02:38 pm
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I very much agree with RandomTangent. Hear, hear.
jack / April 26, 2008 at 02:40 pm
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i think paying ttc with pennies is a fab idea.. make those ticket booth monkeys count, so they actually have to work for their 26 bucks an hr... let's all do that.
montreal.shorts / April 26, 2008 at 02:58 pm
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There are so many idiots on this board.

Spitting on transit workers makes you an asshole, irresepective of the strike, and I hope to god you spit on one of the many TTC operators that would gladly put you in your place.

The TTC has effectively hung itself with this idiotic strike, and it's more likely than not that it will now become an essential service - yet you idiots either are too stupid to see that, or just want to take the opportunity to shit on someone else, just because you're a bitter asshole with more time than brains.

Either way, I wish I was an operator, just doing my job, and have some goon spit on me, because it's assault, and I'd respond in kind.

At any rate, the responsibility for this whole mess is not with the union, it's just doing what ALL unions are formed to do.

The responsibility for this mess is with the government that has up until now GIVEN the TTC union the power to hold Toronto hostage.

They should NEVER have been given that power, and it's easy to shit on the union, because they are morons, led by morons, as we can clearly see, but the guilty party is ultimately our idiot politicians which have allowed this situation to come about in the FIRST place.

Transit is an essential service, and a union of 12,000 people should NEVER have been allowed to use the livilihood of 2.5+ million people as a bargining chip.

So go yell at a poplitician, they KNEW this could happen, but fucked around for ages and now they're trying to pin it on the bad-guy union that ** SURPRISE SURPRISE ** did what ALL unions do.

Unions are not brain-trusts, they're led by auto-mechanics and bus drivers, who are looking out of for other auto-mechanics and bus drivers. We know this, and yet we still give them the power to cripple Toronto's economy.

It's an essential service. Don't blame the idiot union, blame the idiot government.
Bob Kinnear's butt's butt / April 26, 2008 at 02:58 pm
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Some may say that the TTC at least chose the weekend to strike, rather than the beginning of the work week when, inarguably, so many more people are actually working. What that argument misses, though, is that the people who are working on the weekend are more likely than not the ones who DESPERATELY need the TTC to get to their jobs.

They are the service industry, the cashiers, the waiters, the guys slinging burgers and fries, the movie theatre ushers, the parking lot attendants, the maintenance and cleaning crews of office buildings, the bookstore employees, the record store clerks, the bartenders and all the other countless part-time employees who don't have enough money to have a car and have to work weekend hours.

If the TTC were attuned whatsoever to the plight of the working-class (which they are not, no matter how much they cry about paying mortgages ... let's think about the people who can only dream one day of having a mortgage and are still stuck paying monthly rent), they would have striked on Monday.

At least then, the people who have cars and have to get to work would, well, have those cars. Others, namely those who work on the weekend, are not so lucky. It's simple class economics.

Way to go, TTC union. You've proved to alienate not only the blue-collar segment that was rooting for you earlier, but just about damn near everyone else.
jack / April 26, 2008 at 03:17 pm
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I will be VERY interested in know exactly how man drivers/operators were assaulted, such that they can use this as an excuse to go on strike...i think the police should release the stats if these are legitimate assaults... on the other hand, what they did last night put a lot people in a dangerous situation, and that's real.. they worry about their safety, what about the people who were stranded last night?

if they are so worried about their job security, maybe they should start looking now, just like the rest of the world. They should be worried as they are way over paid..
Dave Toronto / April 26, 2008 at 03:23 pm
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Some people are saying that we need to get the TTC workers back to work ASAP no matter the cost and I think this is faulty thinking.

I with John Tory when he says we have to look at what are the costs. As a taxpayer and metropass purchaser, i cannot be expected to pay more just because a group of employees and their union decide they can hold a city hostage because there are no realistic and affordable alternatives.

I say put in the clause addressing the publics ability to pay in any contract with an arbitrator.
mike disenhouse / April 26, 2008 at 03:26 pm
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the ttc people why cant they avert the strike that is fucking stupid so fucking stupid

so now we are screwed

mike disenhouse / April 26, 2008 at 03:28 pm
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why would you just start rolling by 6:00 p.m. tonight.

Just get the deal done and get rolling tonight.

I think make the strike illegal.

Just get rolling and getting the torontoians hostage.

Just let them go.
Have some respect / April 26, 2008 at 03:48 pm
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It's completely appalling what the TTC did last night but what's even more appalling is how many people here speak lowly of the drivers! Absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry, but gaining employment at the TTC as a driver is not as simple getting a license. I challenge you to try it. Many drivers voted YES on the agreement and unfortunately they're getting lumped into the category of "lazy ass uneducated drivers" and have to put up with your verbal and sometimes physical abuse. All this in an 8 hour shift with a total of 9 minutes to break....if she/he's lucky.

The strike is wrong wrong wrong from front to back and so is the backlash on the drivers. Grow up people.
Sean / April 26, 2008 at 03:53 pm
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When all this mess is over...

PAY WITH PENNIES!
PAY WITH PENNIES!
PAY WITH PENNIES!

Pennies are a legal tender, a legal currency accepted by law in Canada. Let's show how we feel by paying with pennies.

It would be a safe, quiet protest.

PAY WITH PENNIES!
PAY WITH PENNIES!
PAY WITH PENNIES!
Claire / April 26, 2008 at 03:53 pm
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Greedy TTC bastards. Does anyone know if there are any plans to reimburse Metropass holders for the days of lost service? At $109/month, it's about $3.63 per day that Metropass holders lose in service. Plus most people have to incur added expenses for cabs.
Claire / April 26, 2008 at 04:11 pm
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Further to my above note, the TTC website says the following about monthly Metropasses:

Adult, Senior and Student Metropass: Good for unlimited [1] travel in a specific month on all regular TTC routes within Toronto (*Extra fare is required for Downtown Express routes and contracted routes operated by the TTC outside the City of Toronto).

Then surely this "legal" strike is in violation of the TTC's Metropass rules. I had a look on the TTC, Toronto.ca (TTC section) websites and the terms on the back of my Metropass, and there doesn't seem to be anything that permits a strike within the Metropass T&Cs.

I don't get to ride extra days of the following month with an invalid pass, then why does these bastards get to rob me of a few days of my Metropass use.
ticked / April 26, 2008 at 04:34 pm
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wow. I'm as anti-union as anyone else is right now, but seriously -- listening to some of the comments on here, almost makes me want to go pick up a sign and support the ATU.

First up, there's no good way to "get back" at anyone. Wanna pay in pennies when service resumes? Well guess what, suddenly I'm the guy behind you waiting for those pennies to be counted, and now YOU'RE holding ME hostage as I try to get to work.

Wanna smash shit up? Thanks for the next fare hike to pay for repairs you douchebag, not to mention the possible dangers that may lay with whatever damage you inflict.

Plan on spitting at and harassing drivers and ticket takers? Grow the fuck up. First of all, just because they went on strike and work for the TTC doesn't make this action ANY LESS ILLEGAL! It's akin to getting pissed off at the guy who stepped on your foot at the club and taking a swing at him. Pull that shit and I pray that your thug ass gets picked up by police.

Secondly, maintenance workers are the hold up here not the drivers or collectors. And it was shite union management that tried to push a deal on its members that it wasn't going to take. The people you abuse aren't the source of your frustration.

These front-line workers have as much to do with what's going on, as the guy who processes your cable bill lays in bed at night with Ted Rogers and plans the next cable increase... okay, as voting union members, they have slightly more influence than the cable guy, but you get my drift.

And on the topic of exaggerated language -- can we quit with the (all-caps) HOSTAGE!!! crap? I hated it before they negotiated the last settlement, and I still hate it now. If striking hotel workers decided to infiltrate the R.C. Harris Filtration plant and cut off the city's water supply until they got a living wage, THAT would be purposely holding a city hostage.

These guys just so happen to have a job that puts essential city services on the shelf as a work action, they didn't twist their moustaches and decide that the best option was to put a gun to the commuter's head and say gimme or else. Any job action from these guys is going to affect us all, and while they might have reduced its severity with work to rule, we're not a bargaining chip- we're their entire job. Dunno if I'm getting my point across but... meh

I think right now, we need to get on all our Toronto MPP's websites and first demand that they legislate before monday, and secondly that ttc be declared an essential service.
sunshine / April 26, 2008 at 05:34 pm
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ugh,
i've just read the 170 + comments and now i don't know what to think!

i feel for everyone - the customers (i am one of them) and those ttc employees that voted yes to the agreement.
if we boycott the TTC won't matters only get worse? they depend on our fares to help make the system work.
will it bring a fare increase? prolly.

i only wish that there was an election around the corner.
seems to me that we need to put pressure on the government for fix this...make it an essential service permanently.
and throw more money the ttc's way. all torontonians deserve that.
Carrie / April 26, 2008 at 05:43 pm
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Could you guys (BlogTO) please number your comments? Makes it easier to remember where you left off when coming back later to read further comments. It would also make life easier for your "entry #50 wins!" contests.
Chris Orbz / April 26, 2008 at 06:31 pm
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I didn't mean counting out penny by penny, I just like the idea of dumping a pre-counted cup full of pennies into the box. I already have a cup full of pennies I've been trying to find a use for...

I'm definitely going to be removing those worth a million ads when I see them, at a minimum. I mean no I won't, that's vandalism.
Jerrold / April 26, 2008 at 06:44 pm
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@ Carrie

Thanks for the feedback. We're considering options for changes to our commenting system, and that's on the list.
Needed to get to airport / April 26, 2008 at 09:12 pm
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TTC unionists are reprehensible? Ha. It's a field day for taxi drivers. And a few, if not a lot of them, are in a free for all.

Yesterday night, I needed to get to Pearson by a certain time. I found out about the strke at 11:50 PM afer emerging at Kipling Station to catch the airport express bus of which I just missed the last one running before the strike. When I told him my destination, a taxi driver demanded a flat rate of $35 to go from Kiping to Pearson, a fare that is normally $20 had he turned the meter on. What could I do. I had to get to the airport and time was running out.

Now, I could go on about breakdown in civility of which a transit strike in Toronto is minor in the big picture of world history. But I find acts like this taxi driver (---NAME REMOVED---, Lic. 03355) exploiting the situation reprehensible.

Cabbies ought to be glad enough of good business during a transit strike let alone extorting passengers in need of their services.
Jerrold / April 26, 2008 at 09:18 pm
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@ Needed to get to airport

If you have a gripe with a taxi driver, please contact the taxi company to file a complaint rather than posting his personal details here.
?? / April 26, 2008 at 09:20 pm
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Thanks TTC, you only prove once again that there are other options out there...hey, it also might help a few people get back in shape...what's the rush to get to work anyway?????
booottc. / April 27, 2008 at 12:31 am
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I'll be paying in pennies for sure.

It's very true how it is actually the weekend jobs that are most in danger. It'll be bad for the retail/food industry employees because the majority do take TTC to work, and it isn't like their jobs are very secure in the first place. If a co-worker doesn't show up for work, it'll affect ever other worker in the store, unlike some of the weekday jobs.
James / April 27, 2008 at 03:03 am
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How much more, on average, do TTC union members make than the millions of Torontonians that rely on their service? How many people have to take their crappy service because they can't afford a vehicle and there's no alternative? How many people in Toronto get guaranteed 3% raises per year, and benefits? How many other people can shut down the entire city and jeopardize the livelihoods of the most vulnerable folks in our community by refusing to work? NOBODY ELSE CAN. That union has WAY too much power, and should be disbanded. The TTC should be government-subsidized, controlled and run. It is essential. Get the union out of there.
Eric / April 27, 2008 at 03:31 am
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@ ticked

"wow. I'm as anti-union as anyone else is right now, but seriously -- listening to some of the comments on here, almost makes me want to go pick up a sign and support the ATU."

you're just about as anti-union as sid ryan or norma rae. way to try and pass off as a decent torontonian.
Brad / April 27, 2008 at 03:44 am
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Threatening anyone who works for the TTC is foolish, and I'd hope you'd be promptly arrested for it, paying in pennies is funny, but wont work for metropass holders (who should have no issue getting a refund same as with last years wildcat strike)
I'm thinking blogto or one of the members make up and post a sticker template, Monday morning everyone will have printed off a few stickers, and we cover the worth a million posters, should be nothing illegal about that, and it delivers a message?
Just an idea.

James / April 27, 2008 at 04:43 am
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@ticked: "anti-union" is such an ugly label. Unions serve a very important function (i.e. - not letting corporations rape laborers too much). But in this case, the union has too much power and is abusing its status by blackmailing the general public to get what it wants. Although I do agree that violence, assault, etc is a very bad idea as those types of situations tend to escalate rather quickly.
guest / April 27, 2008 at 08:20 am
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As a TTC driver, I was shocked and upset by our unions actions. The drivers I spoke with accepted the contract, I guess the other divisions out numbered us. I would like to say where was maintenance when we were saddled with a 3 year wage progression? I would like to appologize to anyone stranded, scared and alone. Shame on you....Kinnear!!!
Eric / April 27, 2008 at 11:13 am
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Like I said before, I'm just going to treat TTC drivers the same way I always do; politely. I have a crappy minimum wage job where it's practically policy that I have to take the credit for all of my (millions of) managers' stupid mistakes. It pisses me off when people can't see the bigger picture and all they want to do is take out their anger on someone just because they're angry, and the TTC driver is there.
Eric26 / April 27, 2008 at 11:15 am
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Oops, you'd think that I'd realize that there might be more that one person named Eric in this city.
Andrew U / April 27, 2008 at 12:46 pm
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Based on what I've read about union membership dating back to the 1970?s regarding what usually happens when they're legislated back to work, there will be a lot of the union employees calling in sick for their shift. If you don?t want to defend your cause, by being on the picket line, or showing up at work, you don?t deserve to have the job.
Stephen / April 27, 2008 at 12:49 pm
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I posted this on another thread on here about the strike, but... paying with pennies isn't going to work when they have the right to refuse over 25 cents in pennies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender#In_Canada

Legal tender stops at 25 cents in pennies. The vendor in questions may or may not choose to accept your excessive change, and is entirely within his/her rights to do so. At least, that's what it looks like this wikipedia article is saying. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
jack / April 27, 2008 at 02:14 pm
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ttc workers and union are all drama queen
Parker / April 27, 2008 at 03:27 pm
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The union rejected the deal because of union politics, specifically getting back at Kinnear because of the way he was elected, not because the contract was unacceptable. These goons deserve whatever harassment they get for using the city in such a contemptible manner.
bur / April 27, 2008 at 04:36 pm
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stopping service with less than an hours notice on a friday night was a deliberate move that carried with it the very real possibility of causing harm to many people without the financial means to get home. like miller said, it was completely irresponsible and dangerous, not to mention disgusting. if you're putting other people at risk because of a fucking contract negociation, you're a fucking asshole.
G / April 27, 2008 at 05:13 pm
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Everyone's anger should really be directed towards these guys:

http://www.atu113.org/contact.html

(And in particular the executive and the maintenance stewards)

They are the ones who held the city hostage over their petty power games.
jack / April 27, 2008 at 05:51 pm
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this is what they turned down, it's f*&##king ridiculous:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080427.wstriveover_side0427/BNStory/Front
Elvira / April 27, 2008 at 11:40 pm
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Just a few things. I was one of the unlucky ones who got stranded at Wilson stn. I then had no choice but to make the 3 hour 45 min walk home to N. Etob. Several times during this trek I felt that my safety had been comprised as I had to walk past industrial sites cloaked in darkness and underpass's as well as dealing with cars following me and stopping that had more than one male in them. It was very scary. To add to my shitty plight my feet started blistering halfway through my trek. While I got nearer home I also got near tears and when I finally got home had a pretty good cry.
You see from dowtown T.O. to my home taxi fare is $50.00. I had to save that $50.00 to ge to work sat. morn. only to find out that the cabbie that picked me up stated that the price just went up past $55.00 as he stated due to "traffic and that he was just to busy". So I paid enough to get into the city and then walked the rest of the way and ended up being late for work anyhow.
I have three college diplomas snd the work that I do sometimes has me dealing with aggressive individuals so I understand the safety issue the TTC workers are complaining about. Unfortunatly I am not as well paid not even by half nor do I enjoy the luxury of the generous benefits that they get.
For the record I would be more than happy to do your job and for less money and benefits as Ontario is starting to feel the fallout from the American economy and Ontario has lost numerous manufacturing jobs.Since it seems your jobs are such a burden to you and you feel you are not paid enough(even though you are much higher paid than most people in management positions in the private sector) You feel your benefits are not good enough even though most people would be so grateful to have half of what you have. Even though many of you want a job for life that requires minimal input, minimal training, knowledge, post secondary education and so forth. Many of us have so much more to offer and earn a substantial amount less and are still paying off OSAP and would be so grateful to have even a small percentage of what you take for granted.
After my friday night ordeal and with speaking with several people on sat. morn. who also had their own ordeals of being stranded far from home without $100.00 lying around for taxi fare home for when TTC decides it's time to hold the city hostage again the concensus is that you are way overpaid way over compensated and way to greedy and that outsourcing is needed to bring in some control to a very out of control union.
Paul L. / April 28, 2008 at 04:17 pm
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Elvira -

So sorry to hear of your plight. A part of me wants to copy/paste it into a document and email the ATU/Kinnear, and then distribute it to every single TTC employee who I cross paths with.

The problem is that ATU 113 is filled with some employees who have been members for years. Because their executive/members have been aggressive to keep an increase on their benefits, wages, and security with each new contract - they get used to a higher standard of living.

It's sort of like the Paris Hilton syndrome. If you suddenly told her she had to live in an 8-bedroom mansion with one pool, as opposed to a 14-bedroom mansion with three pools, she'll have a fit. It doesn't matter that the rest of the world is content with much less - she's used to her 14-bedroom mansion.

It's just the ATU is lucky enough to have over a million lives/people to utilize as their bargaining chip - so they get what they want. I'm hoping that the arbitrator gives them half of what they walked away from. The sad part is that what they walked away from is still twice as good as the average citizen with more education in Toronto, such as yourself, Elvira.
Maria / April 30, 2008 at 10:26 am
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The TTC will refund for April metropass. Details here:
<a href=http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2008/04/30/ttc-says-it-will-refund-pass-holders-for-time-lost-to-strike.aspx>;<Metropass refund</a>

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