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Should the Toronto Archives be on Flickr Commons?

Posted by Sameer / January 21, 2008

Toronto Archives: Should they go all digital?

Earlier this week, the U.S. Library of Congress made a huge splash on the web when they announced that they had decided to collaborate with Flickr and share their photo collection on the web. With one of the largest publicly-held photo collections in the world, this is not only big news for The Library of Congress, but it is quite exciting for web users who now have easy access to a collection that tells a compelling story of the people who built the country to our south.

While their collection may not be as extensive as that of the LoC, the Toronto Archives hold photos from as far back as 1856. This extensive compendium on all things Toronto is partially-accessible through the web, but for the most part, it's still hidden away from our city's general public, many of whom have no clue that the Archives even exist.

Is it time for the Toronto Archives to collaborate with an organization like Flickr in order to share their collections with a larger audience?

The Library of Congress definitely sees the promise in the new partnership. Not only do they get to share their collection with a larger audience, but they get to tap into the power of that same audience to tag and categorize the collection at the same time:

If all goes according to plan, the project will help address at least two major challenges: how to ensure better and better access to our collections, and how to ensure that we have the best possible information about those collections for the benefit of researchers and posterity.

Not everyone is sure that the crowdsourcing of metadata is such a good idea. Mathew Ingram, a Toronto-based technology writer for The Globe and Mail, worries about the potential for incorrect captioning or even misuse of tags:

The problem with letting anyone tag a photo is that their ability to do so properly is completely unknown. To take one example from the Flickr page, there's a shot of a guy wearing old automobile goggles, behind the wheel of an old car -- and people have tagged it "goggles," "wheel" and "man." So far, so good. However, the photo is identified as "Burman," and someone has tagged it "burnam." That's not only unhelpful, it's wrong.

These issues would obviously affect the Toronto Archives as well, should they decide to follow the LoC's lead. But are those concerns enough to make the the city archives reconsider opening up their collection on the web?

If the Toronto Archives do decide to open up to a larger web audience, would it not be smarter to collaborate with the Wikimedia Commons instead of Flickr, a commercial photo service? Is there perhaps merit in doing both?

While there are a lot of questions that the City needs to ask itself before it embarks on any kind of project of this magnitude, it is almost impossible to argue that opening up the Toronto Archives to a larger audience isn't of benefit to both Torontonians and to the City itself.

We'll keep doing what we can to dig through the archives and share them with Toronto residents, but it's high time the City stepped up and did more with this remarkable resource.

(Photo: Duty Books, by David Pritchard.)

Discussion

13 Comments

Danielle / January 21, 2008 at 11:30 am
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I was so impressed with the vast array of STUFF there, at Doors Open this past year. I think it could really be fascinating if we had better access to that stuff!
Mark Dowling / January 21, 2008 at 11:40 am
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Perhaps it could be curated (i.e. professionally moderated) so all changes would be reviewed by a Toronto Archivist before being committed to the piece concerned.
bart / January 21, 2008 at 12:05 pm
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Every archive should be following LoC's lead! I don't think the pitfalls of crowdsourcing metadata is an issue at all. the photos that LoC posts on flickr all have links to LoC's own digital archive where you can find the proper metadata + do searches based on that metadata. what flickr does is extend that collection to a larger community of users thereby utilizing the digital collection even more which is the whole point of making it's collection available digitally. so what if the photos just as findable than any other photos on flickr? they'll still be seen by far more people than if they weren't on flickr at all.

as for the toronto archives, digitizing a collection and cataloging it properly requires a bit of funding and a lot of initiative. from my experience, libraries and archives are still predominantly filled with people just shy of retirement so it might take a bit of time before any major digitization happens.
Sameer Vasta / January 21, 2008 at 12:40 pm
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To be honest <b>Danielle</b>, if it weren't for the excellent "On This Spot" posts on blogTO, I would have no idea about the gems that are hidden in the Archives. They definitely need more exposure!

<b>Mark</b>, that's how I originally conceived the process, but realized that it would require significant human resources to curate the digital crowdsourced collection (depending on the level of engagement of users, of course) and it doesn't look like the City is ready to devote the kind of money that would be necessary for that kind of human resource need.

All that ties directly into what <b>Bart</b> was saying: digitization is going to require money and time, two things the City doesn't seem to want to devote to something like the Archives. Is there some way the Toronto online community can make this easier (both financially and resource-wise) for the City?

Anyone have any ideas on what we can do to persuade the City that this is a good idea, and that we're willing to help?
Gregg / January 21, 2008 at 01:25 pm
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Yes, the Archives. Thanks for reminding me, now I'm ready to head up to the Casa Loma area to check it out again. The free admission and research facilities are not bad I must say.
AldenC / January 21, 2008 at 02:32 pm
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The city archives' online collection isn't so bad once you get the hang of their filing and searches system. If anything they should make their online resources more user friendly. It took me a while before I got the hang of it. There's lots already online to get yourself lost for hours through there site. You just have to learn how to use their search engine. If what you are looking for has not been digitized yet you can always go to the archives and view it for free.

Ideally yes we would want everything digitized but everything has a price and it looks like the city can't afford it right now. Sucks but for the mean time we can do with what we got...
Rick / January 21, 2008 at 03:33 pm
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I'd love to see the archives online. It would really help my On This Spot column.
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Sameer Vasta / January 21, 2008 at 04:02 pm
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You're right Alden, there is already a wealth of information that is available online: the problem is that the UI is pretty horrible and it requires familiarity with the system in order to find what you're looking for. With Flickr, however, serendipity is increased, as people would be able to find archival photos in a variety of different ways.

Maybe the first step is to fix up the current Archives online UI? Hey, wait, I do that for a living -- I should give them a call. =)

The second thing, of course, is the fact that very few people in the city are aware of the fact that the Archives even exist. They definitely need some serious PR to get the word out -- a bit like the PR that the LoC got when they partnered with Flickr!
Disparishun / January 22, 2008 at 01:22 am
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The general idea is a great one. If there were someone coordinating volunteers to get the encoding done, I would gladly volunteer.

As to Flickr, Wikimedia Commons, and so forth: I guess best would be if there were some platform-neutral way of publishing all of the photos in such a format that services like Flickr and Wikimedia Commons could easily subscribe to and import them. Is there an open standard for this kind of thing?
Sameer Vasta / January 22, 2008 at 09:22 am
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That's a great question about Open Standards, particularly since much talk around the web these days has been centered on Data Portability and open formats.

http://www.dataportability.org/

I have peeked around the Microformats standards to see if any would apply, but I'll have to admit that my technical know-how may have limited me, because I don't see anything that may apply. Perhaps someone needs to talk to the Microformats people to see how this kind of photo sharing can be incorporated?

http://microformats.org/
David E / January 22, 2008 at 01:12 pm
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Thank you for the link to the archives. I've had a wonderful time looking at many fine quality photos of
localations, events and buildings.
Sameer Vasta / January 22, 2008 at 03:50 pm
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Glad the link got you exploring David!
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