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Porter Airlines to Fly NY

Posted by Adam Schwabe / January 8, 2008

Porter ♥ NY
In what is surely the worst kept secret in commercial aviation history, Porter Airlines appears to be on the verge of finally announcing flights to New York City direct from their airport on Toronto Island. Porter ran an ad in a number of Toronto newspapers over the weekend with a very cryptic red apple along with the headline, "Some news is just too big to hide. A new destination coming soon."

Besides that little tidbit, Porter CEO Robert DeLuce told USA Today in December that they're "looking closely" at adding flights to several US cities, including NYC (and possibly Chicago). In fact, he said he'd prefer to see flights going to and from both New York's LaGuardia airport as well as Newark. Having just added a flight direct to Mont Tremblant, Porter appears to be on the up, but can they sustain their success south of the border?

Back in August last year during my last experience with Porter, I had nothing but good things to say about it. Getting to the airport was painless, as was going through security, checking bags, and the in-flight experience was a treat.

You can still get dirt-cheap rates with Porter starting at $79 to/from Montreal (coming to a total of around $250 after taxes and fees), and it will be interesting to see if they can compete with the big boys flying into the US. Air Canada and a number of other airlines currently charge about $400-$450 for a round-trip flight to LaGuardia.

Still to this day I've never been to New York City, disheartened either by the potential 8-hour drive, or by the prospect of having to brave through Pearson to get there. If Porter can offer a competitively-priced flight, this could be a huge win for them.

Discussion

40 Comments

Sean Galbraith / January 8, 2008 at 11:33 am
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Excellent! I would love to fly to NYC and Chicago on Porter. Hell, I'd love to fly just about anywhere that doesn't require me to go to Pearson. Bonus: CommunityAIR gets more pissed off. Win win all around.
Maria / January 8, 2008 at 11:45 am
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My only question would be how they're going to sorted out the international destination. Are they going to have a Canada customs/immigration official in the Island Airport? And to go, are they going to have the US customs/immigration station there too? Just wondering about the logistics.
Kevin / January 8, 2008 at 11:49 am
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I flew on Porter from Halifax on Saturday and one thing I noticed as I left the plane was a building that said CUSTOMS on it. One of the staff there said that they're hoping to start flying to NYC in march.
Katie / January 8, 2008 at 12:20 pm
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Wow, nice!
If this proves to be true, I can't wait to see what kind of prices they offer, and how they compare.
Should definitely be interesting.

I love New York! :)
Chester Pape / January 8, 2008 at 12:29 pm
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There is CBSA (Canada Border Service Agency) presence at
The Island Airport (YTZ) for general aviation pilots arriving from the US the main CBSA office used to be there, the sinage for it is still there but as part of the Rochester ferry debacle it moved over to the ferry terminal but moving back to the airport wouldn't be a big deal if necessary.

There will not initially and probably not ever be US clearance at YTZ, so Porter will be restricted to flying to international airports in the US, for NYC this means Newark Liberty instead of LaGuardia.
Gloria / January 8, 2008 at 12:31 pm
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This would be awesome. I just went to NYC and would have loved to fly instead of bus.
Mark Dowling / January 8, 2008 at 12:37 pm
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I think the Island has a basic Customs facility for private flights so they probably just have to beef it up rather than staff it from scratch.
Kari / January 8, 2008 at 12:53 pm
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If the price is good... which, from what I've heard, it most likely will be... I'll definitely make my first trip to NYC with Porter! I think this is great news.
jt / January 8, 2008 at 12:54 pm
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vive le toronto island airport! its all about connections!

My guess is that fuel prices will be too high for us to fly in about ten years, so lets take advantage of it, and finally get downtown toronto properly connected to the world.

Sean Galbraith / January 8, 2008 at 01:16 pm
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I believe I read that the island airport customs facility can process flights of up to 15 passengers.
Anonymous / January 8, 2008 at 01:18 pm
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As part of the current terminal expansion Porter have built a dedicated Canada Customs facility.
Michael / January 8, 2008 at 02:08 pm
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But didn't we hate the island airport?
sookie / January 8, 2008 at 02:38 pm
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I've been looking for an excuse to fly Porter but for now their availability for flights to Tremblant is either pitiful or way overbooked (option of 2 flights/week coming in at around $400) and it will likley still be cheaper to drive to Buffalo to get my $200 trip to NYC.
Ryan Marr / January 8, 2008 at 02:50 pm
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if it's under 400 bucks return I would do it for sure.
annonymous / January 8, 2008 at 02:54 pm
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biking to the airport then flying to New York City has great appeal to me.
Maria / January 8, 2008 at 06:13 pm
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Chester, thanks for the comments. That's exactly what was on my mind.
Mesonto / January 8, 2008 at 06:14 pm
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I can already get a $325 round trip from LGA to YYZ. Porter will have to beat that. Hope they do.
Adam / January 8, 2008 at 07:02 pm
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Mesonto, what airline is that with? I searched every one of them and the cheapest I could find during the week is $405.
uSkyscraper / January 9, 2008 at 10:13 am
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When I was at university in the mid 90s I used to fly on Air Canada Dash-8's all the time between Newark and Toronto Island Airport. It was a fantastic setup - same price as the flights to Pearson, and one tenth the hassle. Although I would prefer to see the Island Airport shut down and replaced with a rail link to Pearson, it was quite the guilty pleasure to hop off the plane onto the tarmac, check in at the Customs trailer (with all of about 4 people), then take the shuttle to Union and the subway home.

Excellent point by Chester - LGA has limited customs facility and only accepts flights that have been precleared (i.e. major Canadian or Caribbean airports) so the destination will probably be Newark. This is not so bad as a decade ago, now that Newark has an airport monorail and a commuter rail connection to midtown Manhattan. It takes more time than a cab from LGA, but at least it is immune to traffic. I encourage all Torontonians to try it out so that they can glower over the lack of something similar at Pearson.
Chester Pape / January 9, 2008 at 11:12 am
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A rail link to Pearson does not obviate the advantages of the Island Airport, in particular the environmental advantages, to whit: a) the Q400 is massively more fuel efficient than a jet, especially Air Canada's 20 year old Airbusii b) all planes use a substantial percentage of their per trip fuel burn at the ends of the trip including taxi, the lack of taxi requirements at YTZ further cuts the carbon footprint vs any aircraft operating from YYZ.
Joe / January 9, 2008 at 11:16 am
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I fly Porter almost every weekend to see my girlfriend in Montreal. $250 there and back and I only spend about an hour in the air each way. Its awesome and I think it will be great when they start offering more flights to the US out of the Toronto Island Airport
Adam / January 9, 2008 at 11:36 am
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Chester, not to mention the reduced commuting time required to get to the Island Airport for passengers. I fly out of Pearson every Monday morning at 6am on business, and there is always steady traffic on the highways and into the airport.

Joe, that's quite the commitment to your girlfriend. Kudos, for sure.
Chester Pape / January 9, 2008 at 01:43 pm
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Yes Adam but that's not a consideration in terms of comparing YTZ vs YYZ with a theoretical subway/rail connection.
uSkyscraper / January 9, 2008 at 04:08 pm
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Sorry for polluting the thread by throwing in the two political hot potatoes of rail links and the future of the island airport. The two need not be linked.

Toronto needs a rail connection at Pearson regardless of what happens at YTZ - are we a first-class city or a collective monument to ineptitude? The list of major cities without airport rail links is shrinking fast.

As for YTZ, there are certainly some benefits to keeping the Island Airport and some benefits to closing it. Chicago already had Midway when they took out Meigs Field, a luxury that Toronto does not have (unless Pickering suddenly goes forward). In the meantime, good luck to Porter on their new service.
Mark Dowling / January 11, 2008 at 09:53 am
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"(unless Pickering suddenly goes forward)"

uSkyscraper - god I hope not. At least the Island is already tarmac - Pickering is farmland.
Jim McGinley / January 11, 2008 at 01:49 pm
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The reason I am against the island airport is, like any succesful business, it will grow. Most people who support the island airport don't talk about the fact the airport will not / cannot remain the small airport it is today.

Look at how much it has grown already (10 new bombadier Q400s added September 2006). Porter, to their credit, has never hidden their plans for expansion (900,000 passengers a year as a starting point - double the airport's peak in the 1980s). While extending the runways to support regional jets requires a lot of work (physical and political), Porter has shown they are more than up to the task.

If Porter is succesful, they're going to want / need to expand. Do you wait until that happens? If the city can't control / remove an airline when it's losing money, imagine how hard it will be to control / remove control an airline that is succesful.
Sean Galbraith / January 11, 2008 at 03:25 pm
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"are we a first-class city or a collective monument to ineptitude?"

Is that a rhetorical question?

Sarah Shorten / January 25, 2008 at 05:15 pm
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I think it is time that a resident who lives under the flight path of Porter Airlines- as one of the hundreds of thousands who do- weighs in to say that the planes are not quiet, they are flying directly above a highly populated area, and that we voted in David Miller to stop the expansion of this island airport.

I am distressed that the rights of a private company are held to be greater than that of taxpayers and residents of Toronto. Porter Airlines is highly polluting for the waterfront of Toronto- there is no amount of debate that can say otherwise- and we should be very worried about what those flights are going to do to the water quality of Lake Ontario, and to the air directly above Toronto. The previous debates cannot convince me that carbon emissions from a car are the equivalent of a flight- there are airport buses that are easy to take as well from central Toronto.
uSkyscraper / January 27, 2008 at 12:36 am
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Sarah, your argument is undermined the moment you mention buses. Buses are not trains in terms of time, comfort, reliability or citybuilding. It is not necessary for the island airport to be shut down in order to build a rail link to Pearson, but it is necessary to have a rail link to Pearson in order to shut down the Island. You should definitely focus on supporting a rail connection to YYZ to strengthen your argument against YTZ.
martin / January 31, 2008 at 12:32 am
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I find it odd that those who oppose the island airport seem to forget that it is a comercial airport, in the past there were multiple airlines that used the island, Air Ontario (Air Canada) Canadian Airlines, City Express (like Porter) flew to Ottawa, Montreal, Newark and London ON (I flew the London leg as a student).
chephy / February 5, 2008 at 09:20 pm
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Folks, unless you're REALLY getting on in years, the airport was there before you were. And it has been commercially used. Why would you first move near the airport, and then complain it's there?

Also, to call the airport loud is kind of funny given all the other noises around that part of town: the ugly Lakeshore and the ugly Gardiner (now, THAT I would really love to see torn down), the motor boats (and outlaw THAT while you're at it - I'm serious). When I am in that part of the world, all the airplane noise gets completely drowned in that cacaphony.

I think the Island Airport, and Porter in particular, are tremendous assets for our city.
Craig / February 6, 2008 at 12:27 pm
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Sarah, how on earth are you able to hear the noise from those aircraft above the din of traffic coming from the Gardiner Expressway? I guess aircraft are only OK as long as they're flying over suburbanites in Mississauga and Brampton.
GH / February 7, 2008 at 08:41 pm
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Sarah, there are huge swaths of the city that have jets flying into Pearson audibly present throughout the day. Jets can be quite low as far east as Bayview up to Finch/Steeles. This goes on from 6am to 12:30am. When downtowners fight to reduce the noise of all flights in Toronto, I'll sign up to your anti-Porter causes. Until then, suck it up, you're not alone by any stretch.
Nik / February 3, 2009 at 04:56 pm
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Sarah... you are a tool.

Besides, there are worse things in Toronto that people should be trying to get outlawed. David Miller for example.
tanya / February 23, 2009 at 05:11 pm
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Porter is giving away 15% off flights currently.

You can get back and forth from New York for $232.00

DISC15 book by March 9 2009. Travel by May 13 2009.
Richard Da Silva / March 10, 2009 at 02:45 pm
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You people complaining about City Centre Airport and Porter Airlines in particular are like whiny kids that have far too much time on their hands and way too much to do. I've sat on benches on the harbourfront and listened to those planes take off and land and they are NOT noisy. You hear a dull drone in each case. The noise of traffic is MUCH louder, as are the many helicoptors that monitor traffic and provide medical airlift services for the hospitals. I'm very glad that this airport exists and that Porter is here to provide top-notch service to cities that I would enjoy travelling to. I've already flown with them to NYC 5 times and plan to continue doing so. I look forward to flying with them to Montreal for my honeymoon and eventually to Chicago at some point. This city needs an alternative to Air Canada and Pearson International; the latter may be a beautiful facility but it's a pain in the ass to use. Porter is extremely convenient to downtown travellers (and there are many of us) who relish the idea of not having to spend $45 on cab fare for a ride to an overcrowded airport. I can simply walk for 20 mins., catch the free shuttle bus & in 5 - 10 more mins. I'm at YTZ. You just can't beat that.
DS / November 16, 2009 at 10:42 pm
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Porter needs to start flying into Buffalo as we all know that flying out of there is the gateway to flying inexpensively within the US.
Fluggesellschaften Check-in / January 14, 2010 at 03:18 am
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I was quite curious regarding that red apple along with the headline, "Some news is just too big to hide. A new destination coming soon." Now I have got the answer.
robert / January 14, 2010 at 03:20 am
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I was also curious regarding that red apple, Now I will love to travel with them. I will do check in using http://www.checkmein.eu/ Thanks.
FMS / February 28, 2010 at 09:57 pm
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What about getting some USA destinations out of Hamilton's
John C. Munro airport?

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