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Are the TTC drivers really that stressed?

When I boarded the subway yesterday morning (Christie Station, known to me as The One Without A Starbucks) and saw the headlines splashed all over the Metro and the Star - "TTC drivers in crisis!" - it was fairly hard to crawl out from under my Monday morning blahs to do anything other than conjure some surly words I would hurl at any TTC employee who dared suggest to me that his or her grief was on par with a soldier just back from Afghanistan.
Later in the day, though, I started really thinking about the issue. Yes, I would personally describe my feelings towards the majority of the TTC employees who have served me in the past ten years as being something akin to outright loathing - never, of course, suggesting that the majority represents the total, and that there aren't some truly outstanding drivers, operators, and other staff members in the organization. Let's face it: the TTC is the ultimate example of a system we only notice when it doesn't work. Although there have been literally thousands of days when a TTC staffer hasn't screamed at me for taking a digital photo on an RT platform, the only day that counts to me is the day when one of them did.
Nonetheless, as recently as New Year's although also spinning back to several public safety incidents last year involving TTC staff, it's actually not too difficult to imagine how stressful being part of such a visibly disliked organization as the TTC must be. Getting yelled at, spit on, and treated with general disdain would be enough to make anyone question whether or not their job is worth it. (The worst thing that happens to me at mine is that sometimes my computer doesn't work.) Having to live with the daily possibility of assault, injury, and gun violence goes above and beyond. I don't even like riding the vomit comet - can you imagine having to drive it?
And not to name Toronto's worst-kept secret, but being one of the drivers whose subway ploughs over one of our frequently-occurring, rarely-acknowledged TTC suicide jumpers? I can't see that making for a particularly non-toxic work environment.
I suppose the critical issue lies in the simple fact that when many of us opened that newspaper yesterday morning and read about the TTC driver stress level - that "nearly 200 TTC bus, streetcar and subway operators are suffering from severe stress usually associated with survivors of combat, natural disasters and rape" according to the Star - we snorted in amusement, as though such claims from an employment pool as lowly as bus drivers was somehow not worthy of the empathy we might level upon firefighters or soldiers.
Sure, fares are rising, the budget is under constant question, and service reliability (particularly in the winter) is a damn joke. And yes, I'd even be willing to assert that a large part of the continuing problems with the TTC is directly related to the attitudes of the staff and the management. Nonetheless, an increasingly frustrated ridership is only making the situation more dangerous and more volatile, and it's up to both sides to find some balance in the middle if we're going to drop everybody's stress levels.
Got a story - good or bad - about an encounter with a TTC driver? The comment field awaits below.
Photo: "Lensbaby TTC" by photojunkie, from the blogTO Flickr pool.


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After explaining to the cabbie what was up (since I had no idea where "long branch" was and neither did he) he tried to call my cell. Someone picked up -- the driver!
He was amazing. Told me where he was, and so I got out of the cab and waited for his streetcar (he had already turned around and started heading back). When his car arrived, the door opened and he was on my phone talking to my mom! Turned out he spoke to quite a few friends -- told some he was Home Depot and others it was a Pizza Place.
And that's why I love riding the rocket.
It's funny. About two years ago I got off at Lakeshore and Kipling and realized my wallet was still on the streetcar. Having no money, nor my metropass. I did what I could.. I started walking towards long branch. About 20 minutes later the streetcar came back in the other direction and I got on. I saw my wallet sitting near the windshield. The wallet was sitting near the windshield, so I told him it was mine. He didn't believe me, so he checked my ID inside the wallet. He gave me the wallet back, money was still there. I was very lucky, he was a nice guy chuckled let me back off at Kipling and Lakeshore.
I left a comment about this in another TTC related story. I was on the 79 going home after a long day of retail (at least I sell cameras). The bus driver let everyone know that the bus was going Not In Service. I went to ask how far she was actually going. She then asked me how far I needed to go. I told her, and she let me off in front of my house!
Good article. I've been riding the TTC daily for almost 6 years now. Most drivers are fine, but we always remember the time the driver did something stupid, or got into an argument. I think paying for a service, and then getting yelled at by one of its employees troubles some people. Most of us wouldn't go into a store, or restaurant if the staff were constantly rude. But we deal with it, because for some of us The Better Way is The Only Way.
I was taking the late night Lawrence W blue line bus, planning to get off one stop before the last one (Weston) and walk home.
I was the only rider left on the bus when it got to Jane, and at that point instead of driving the final three stops and actually letting me off where I had to go, the driver switched off the automatic announcement system, turned a sharp (well, for a bus) right onto Jane and started speeding north. I called out "excuse me" and he ignored me so I walked to the front and asked, "Uhm, where are you going?"
He responded "Home." So I asked whether I could get off and he said "Sure."
Then I had to walk a half hour home at 4 am along Jane St.
I have plenty of complaints about the TTC but that was the first time I actually wanted to register a complaint against an employee.
Look, I'm sorry if you [ttc driver] had a fight this morning with their spouse, but unless I get a discount for the shitty service I don't care. Let me off at my stop, open the door for me when I've sprinted for 30 seconds in the fucking snow to catch the bus, and stop leaving me in the middle of nowhere because you ran late and "absolutely have to" short turn, thus leaving me on the sidewalk despite having paid my fucking fare.
One gets the feeling that a TTC driver is most likely to be assaulted after being a total dick. Not many people, except them dere crazy folk, will fucking spit on someone for no reason, even if they are brain dead high schoolers who haven't yet discovered the miracle oil called "shampoo."
Drivers are spit on, yelled at, and at sometimes literally put their lives in jeopardy dealing with the people in this city. Very few people thank drivers for the service they provide and as someone else already mentioned, it's really something we only pay attention to when it goes wrong. At that moment it's of course the end of the world because your business is more important than everyone else around you.
Here's a story that might put into perspective the things that can happen to drivers. A while back a woman was hired by the TTC for bus routes. Only a few weeks into her employment a man got on the bus and said that he was short on fare; she let him on since she was on probation and didnt want any confrontation. A few stops down the line the man comes up and begins beating and choking her with the necklace she had on for no reason. She was pregnant at the time and ended up losing the baby.
My point about all this is, is that drivers are in a vulnerable position and I dare anyone to say that the job is not stressful. When you're yelled at constantly for things outside of your control, spat on, abused verbally and sometimes physically, day in and day out on sometimes extended shifts when you're just doing your job to the best of your ability, wouldn't you be a little bitter too?
We live in a large city, people need to be a little more understanding about circumstances and to just take a minute to breathe in and relax. You being delayed 5 minutes probably isn't the end of the world. When we all try to be a bit more positive, it helps everyone.
But hey, what do I know? Let's see some stats, TTC.
In direct opposition to what is apparently section 16 of the TTC by-laws, we were told we could not take a photograph on TTC property. The rules state that non-commercial photography is allowed.
Apparently ever since the subway bombings in London it is illegal and unlawful to photograph the TTC and on their property. I really didn't know what to think at first. Merely standing there shaking my head in dismay at the stupidity that was being bestowed upon us.
If we were taking photographs for ill-gain, would we not choose a location with much more social significance than St. Patrick station? Yet would we also not be intelligent enough to know that bringing a large dSLR camera, and a bag of gear and lenses would probably not be the ideal way to inconspicuously plan our demise? There are many smaller and simpler means to taking a photograph in public.
Do the same employees come running to scare off socialites taking bar-star pictures of their drunken friends on Saturday night? Is there a specified size or quality limit to the photographic device we can use on the property for non-commercial photography? Even cell phone pics are being sold to the press.
In the end, I have a great story of TTC idiocy and a bunch of great pictures of the subway in motion. From this day on I'm making it a personal initiative to photograph the TTC in spite.
Obviously short turning is their decision (sarcasm). You think busses are just these rogue entities that drive around as they please? They short turn for a reason, because they're told to. How often do you defy the chain of command at your work for the whim of your customer?
Oh, and let's not forget this part! When you get bad service at a restaurant, do you spit on your waiter/waitress? How about anywhere else? Suddenly because they're a bus driver, events outside of their control or bad service is justification for you violating them in such a disgusting manner? You've got to be kidding me. You're whats wrong with this fucking city. Go back to Montreal.
Personally I'd put that guy on a surface route, being shut away in his little box on the train doesn't seem to engage him.
You may have a point or two, but let's be completely honest shall we? I'm sure plenty of TTC passengers are ill-mannered and sometimes violent nutjobs. That's unfortunate but surely most TTC employees realize they'll be interacting with thousands of people per day, some of whom might be a little unhinged, when they fill out their applications for employment.
As you said, this is a big city. If you are not cut out for the job surely there are other jobs more suited for your temperament.
On the other hand, how is it OK for a TTC driver to flip out on completely innocent passengers? I was yelled at by a streetcar driver once when I didn't realize that his car had gone out of service. I was new to Toronto at the time and didn't realize how it all worked yet. He could have simply asked me to leave instead of shouting, "Get the f*&% off the car!" That was unwarranted and I suspect I'm not the first passenger to have had an unpleasant experience with a TTC driver.
Recently there was a story about a George Brown student who was waiting for a streetcar on King St. in the middle of the afternoon and was attacked and mugged by three young men. The streetcar driver saw what was happening and instead of helping this girl, he shut the doors and drove off. Nice. Perhaps he's suffering from PTSD after seeing this girl being attacked.
Is this cover story considered news or just a report.
Gee a contract year, that report came out at the perfect time...
Uhhh ... why do they need thanks? They provide a service for which they get PAID. It ain't volunteer work.
Of course, after you've been treated badly, I figure the sky's the limit.
Yeah, TTC employees can be pretty rude, it's true...but, holy cow, I wouldn't want a front line job with the TTC for anything.
See those crazy people we all laugh about that ride the TTC...yeah, they have to deal with them.
No thanks.
Here are my questions for the TTC:
1) Why is a pass 100$? And if it costs that much, why isn't it allowed to 'pass back'?
2) There are only two principal lines. Why are there frequent delays? Many cities have much more service, and far fewer delays or interruptions. Ever been to Japan? Their city subway and regional trains are all linked together, and they meet so that people can make connections. Why is is so hard to organise two subway lines?
3) Nice touch with the stop announcements. Why did this take so long?
4) Why don't university and college students have a discounted fare? Working people may be able to afford 100$ per month, but this is out of reach for many students.
5) When will the work along St. Clair, and in St. Clair W station conclude? I have lived in this neighbourhood for nearly two years. The station's been closed to streetcars for months now. Funny thing is, we never see anyone working on the construction. What's going on?
Until we get answers to questions like these I feel no empathy whatever for TTC employees.
It is no less certain that a number of passengers deal with surly TTC employees who are often rude, inconsiderate, and don't seem to take their jobs at all seriously.
It is cliche, but "Two wrongs do not make a right"
I have seen great regular bus drivers on certain routes, the kind who hold the door for running passengers, help people with strollers get on and off the bus, always say "Good Morning" when you get on the bus and "Thank You" after you flash your Metropass or drop your token.
I have also observed that these drivers are seldom treated poorly and when they are, other riders come to the defence of the driver who has engaged them positively, perhaps even become like an old friend.
On the other hand I've see drivers utter racist language towards those for whom English is a second language or somethimes based on the colour of their skin.
I have seen drivers who shut doors in the face of the passenger running to catch their bus.
Drivers who don't bother to help the elderly or those with strollers and who barely acknowledge most of their 'customers'except with a grunt and dismissive gesture.
Those drivers should not be spit on, but they should be fired.
And while no bad behavior (short of violent or criminal) on the part of TTC staff justfies passenger rudeness or criminality it is safe to say that bad TTC staff (drivers/collectors)do have the effect of increasing the risk for their 'innocent' or decent colleagues.
Customer idiocy should be cracked down on by plain-clothes cops more often.
But drivers/collectors should be given customer-service training and should have their knuckles wrapped severely when they are rude to customers or when they fail to do their job properly (on purpose).
1) Pass is over $100 since the TTC gets a small amount of funding from the Province. Compared to other transit authorities in Canada and the US, this is considerably low.
2) Two lines due to lack of funding from Provincial and Federal governments. Again other transit corporations aren't starved for cash.
3) Stop announcements have been implemented fairly quickly. Due to the negativity surrounding the lawsuit that brought the project on, the TTC has not received credit (although its due).
4) The TTC and Universities are working on a U-Pass as we speak which will be $60/month. Currently, UofT is on the VIP program which gives a small discount at $96/month.
5) No idea, although the work at Museum is going along nicely isn't it?
I always thought my friends in retail exaggerated the kind of rudeness and complete disdain some customers exhibit towards them, but clearly there are people in this city who believe that if a person is paid to do something, they are entitled to treat them terribly.
I'm amazed by the sheer lack of logic some commentators are displaying here. Some of you are justifying your dislike -- hell, outright hatred, looking at some of the names they're being called -- for many or all TTC employees because of a few bad experiences. This, I have to say, is probably a perfectly normal human response, because it just helps steel us for any similar future incidents.
Yet for some reason, if TTC employees develop standoffish, suspicious, or outright hostile behaviour because of THEIR bad experiences (which, I'm willing to bet, are more likely to happen because they encounter hundreds, if not thousands, of customers whereas a passenger encounters maybe half a dozen drivers a day), they are being absolutely unreasonable and crazy.
There are stories here of just incredibly horrible drivers, who, from what's been recounted here of their behaviour, are horrible human beings too. But some of their critics aren't any better.
I used to live at King & Sherbourne, and frequently took the King or Queen St streetcars eastbound through the core - after all the drunk people get out of the bars. One driver in particular would crack jokes, ride the accelerator and brakes extra smoothly, and even once let a fellow out to vomit and get back on (while cracking more jokes). It made everyone on the streetcar feel good (whether they were drunk or not).
Sometimes I'd be on nearly empty streetcars even later. There was this one female driver that was as friendly and talkative as they get, not to mention attractive, but married ;) that I befriended because I found that our schedules jived when I kept having her as my driver. She was as cool as they come, great conversation, and just a pleasure to get to know.
Something about these two drivers made me think that TTC HR should more carefully select their staff. They should choose people with great personalities to drive. But with the Union as powerful and controlling as it is, my thoughts are merely pipedreams.
RE: UPass. The clincher for the UPass is that ALL students will experience a tuition hike ('ancillary fees') of around $400 per year. Discounted???? Hardly.
I don't understand why it takes SO LONG to implement a fair and reasonable discount program for students. Post-secondary debt is not a new trend. In the six years that I've been a post-secondary students using the TTC I've gotten no break from the TTC. My schedule doesn't justify me purchasing a monthly pass, but if it were $60/month MINUS a tuition hike then I'd definitely purchase the pass just for the added convenience and flexibility.
I've never had a nice TTC experience, but I've also never had a bad one either. Brampton Transit on the other hand.... schedules never match up and bus drivers won't stop for a runner even though they know the next bus is atleast another 15 minutes down the road...
"i'm still puzzled about the habit of Victoria bus riders to say thanks to the driver as they get off the bus, average is loud and clear and includes back door also, mindyou, not during peak busy period. but imagine figuring out how this got started or how it could be started somewhere else--"
what ANU meant was that there is no-opt out for students who live downtown and walk to class, so an extra $480 during the school year is close to an entire month's rent! how is it fair for the students who live downtown to have to subsidize the ttc pass for the commuter students?
I am pro-union, but the TTC Union is a perfect example of everything that can go wrong with a union, and it gives all unions a bad name. These people need to be FIRED, not given raises. People in booths should have been replaced by machines years ago. It's joke that I can now buy a metropass in SOME stations from a machine, but only with a debit card. It's a joke that it costs almost $3 to go 1 stop, and $3 to go all the way to the airport. How about some short term investment in technology to allow zonal fares, to reap long term benefits? Nope, the TTC doesn't think like that. It never plans for the future, only year to year. The TTC is stuck in a brain dead mentality from the 1960s, and no one seems willing or able to turn it around.
The TTC is a colossal joke, and an embarassment to Toronto.
But I'm not sure how this related to droves of TTC workers getting paid medical leave for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
(And incidentally, my opinion of TTC bus drivers is generally low mostly because my experiences with them consistently fail to measure up with my excellent experiences with GO bus drivers. And it is common practice to thank a GO bus driver as you leave the bus.)
In a previous comment for a different post I think I once said I couldn't remember ever seeing a TTC employee being an outright dick. I remember one time, now. 7 years ago I was on the Finch bus heading east from Weston toward Keele, around 9 in the morning. A woman made to get off through the front doors and the driver told her to use the back instead. I don't know if she didn't hear him, didn't understand, didn't speak English, or was just stubborn, but she stood there waiting for the doors to open. This enraged the driver, who then pulled away from the stop and carried on. He reached the next stop and refused to open the front doors to let passengers on, lest this woman get her way. He opened the back doors and waved them to use those doors instead. At the next stop he did the same. All the while yelling and cursing the woman, as if she was the one being unreasonable. The bus wasn't crowded, the traffic wasn't bad, and the stop where she tried disembarking had nobody waiting to get on, so I'll never know what was so bad about trying to get off at the front except that it wasn't his preference.
Toronto is full of crazy people who rant and spit and flip out. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them landed jobs at the TTC.
So what if they are trying to get more money...isn't that what YOU do at YOUR job? Does anyone on this page work for free and NOT try, any chance they can, to get a pay-raise?
"A raise? Oh no boss, I couldn't, I really love my job, there's no way I could accept more money for doing it."
"The stress got to be so much that my father (who by the way routinely does 12hr shifts serving you thankless people) transferred into doing flag bus routes for the elderly."
I don't spit on or mistreat drivers in any way. Why am I lumped in with the bad seeds and referred to in a clearly derogatory way as being "thankless"?
I didn't force your father to be a TTC driver, nor to work 12 hour shifts or become so stressed. The key is that he realized it wasn't for him or what he wanted and he transferred. That's great, really, but is the bottom line.
The TTC employees are already paid to do a job, and a job that they choose. They are not forced to work for the TTC. And it's not an unpaid volunteer position at a charity, either. His stress was not caused by passengers like me (who could essentially be called "ghosts" for how little a factor I am as a passenger) not saying "Thank you" as I leave.
I feel legitimately bad for any service employee who gets assaulted, ridiculed, or harassed, but that doesn't mean that every employee shouldn't at least do their job while they are employed at that position.
The trick is to find a way for everyone to do it all the time, and remain consistent in the path of adversity i.e. frustration, anger, etc...
If you want change, you have to make it...No one else will.
Maybe every person on this comment page and all who are just avid readers, or casual ones can use this message as a catalyst for change....
We as people are inherently good...Be an activist to to foster that...
...signing off...
I, too, have had horrible experiences on the TTC - just this morning, in fact, when York Mills went down and my 45 minute commute turned into a 1:55 commute because some jackass thought he'd jump during the morning rush. (yes, not the fault of the drivers, but a nasty experience none-the-less)
I've had drivers drive right past me late at night as I've waited for the bus.
I've had streetcars short turn late at night in the worst possible neighborhoods (who thinks it's right to let a small group of women out at Dundas & Parliament <maybe Sherbourne, can't recall> at 3am?)
I've seen a full on fight (in the morning commute, no less) where the streetcar driver, didn't seem to even notice what was happening - continued driving and didn't appear to call it in, with other passengers instead breaking it up and diffusing the situation.
I've also had really great drivers. Ones I see most mornings on my way into work that are genuinely pleasant, say Hi and How are you?, stop between stops for the woman with her seeing eye dog.
I think it's the same as any job, you have people who who are good at their job and do it well (and happily) and people who despise their jobs and take it out on their customers.
I'm sure there are plenty of asses who ride the transit and get a kick out of harassing and assaulting the employees, but having never seen it first hand (and having lived down town and taken the TTC daily nearly my entire life), I can only conclude that there is a lot of systemic abuse on the part of the drivers as well.
I've heard it's the new "calling in sick".
And it's those people who make the good ones look bad.
I very troubled that we're more concerned about drivers getting PTSD than the apparently huge number of suicides at the TTC? We should be focusing on stopping the suicides (e.g. suicide barriers on platforms are used in other countries. How has this been allowed to continue for years?
It's not just the rudeness that other poster mentioned, but outright dangerousness. Yesterday at the platform, we had a train come to a full stop, then without any signals, start running again. Turns out the train had not fully driven out of the tunnel. Passengers standing in the middle of the platform could not see this and some were only an inch from the train and almost got hit. Maybe this is a machine problem but the drivers really should have given some signal to the passengers that he clearly could see were crowding on the yellow line, as it was during 5-6pm and the station was packed.
If not for their union, I bet a lot of TTC employees would find themselves out of work based solely on customer complaints.
ANyways, my experiences with the TTC have really run the gamut. I have had bus drivers drop me off right in front of my building in the middle of the night, and I have had a subway collector violently freak out because I needed change. These kinds of people happen to exist in the world, and the TTC just happens to hire both of them.
Thus, I just try and pay it forward. A kind word or a smile to a bitter employee might just cause them to rethink their worldview. Try it out!
I've had my share of occasions when I sprinted to the stop, only to have the doors closed in front of me and the bus driver take off without me. I've had subway booth collectors refuse to accept nickels and dimes. Contrast that to small-town Belleville (where I've been going to school this past year or so) where the bus drivers actually look out for riders and often wait until such passengers catch up to the stop if running (literally) a few seconds late. And they actually offer <i>us</i> a "Take care, have a good night" upon leaving their bus.
@ Brent: Why are TTC drivers routinely working 12 hour shifts in the first place? Put anyone on that kind of schedule and they're bound to provide less than stellar service. Sounds to me like the TTC needs to make take better scheduling for their drivers and take better care in training their staff.
@ Jeremy: Perhaps you've already seen this discussion about photography on TTC property posted on flickr that was started two years ago (but is still very much relevant) about shooting on TTC property. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/torontotransit/discuss/151270/" target="_blank">Here it is</a> for the benefit of others.
@ Mark: I hear you on that one. You wouldn't expect a taxi cab driver to stop, unannounced, at a Timmy's to get a coffee while your fare is running. Why do TTC bus drivers get away with this?
On the other hand, I do think that the city should do more about relieving the city of congested traffic by providing support, alternatives and more finances for the city transportation systems. Its in everyone's best interest.
Great post, thank you for your insight!
...or on the other end of the spectrum, the shuttle bus passenger who simply would not move off the step at the rear doors to allow the doors to close - he was staying on the bus, even if it was going nowhere.
And then there's TTC management, who had a signal problem at Vic Park station last night when I was going home which apparently was still recurring by 8:15 this morning, and who set up a shuttle bus service for a problem that was actually resolved before any of the shuttles could reach the other end of the service gap.
In light of these incidents, I'm thinking the only thing we really need is a system-wide ban on shitheads.
How about the street cars on Queen East? I know I absolutely love seeing three of them go by in the 60 seconds it takes me to walk from work to the corner, and then wait 10+ minutes for the next one to come. There's just no excuse for that sort of bunching, yet it happens *every*night* on Queen East. So you don't even have to see the TTC employees in person to be pissed off at them.
The thing to keep in perspective is that the TTC has probably thousands of employees who have contact with customers every day. Some of those people are going to be great and some of those people are going to be total jerks. Having worked for the city before in a unionized environment, I know how hard it can be for management to effectively discipline the real tough cases. You need two verbal warnings before you can escalate to three written warnings before you can even start the process of trying to get someone fired. And it's not like they can just say "Here's a box, go clean out your locker". There will be meeting after hearing after appeal after grievance and even then there's no guarantee that a firing will "stick". Employees basically have to be caught in the act of stealing money or striking a rider to qualify for an automatic termination. The process is so costly in terms of capital and time, its probably always easier to just let the malcontents fester in obscurity.
Nice driver story:
I don't know if he's still driving, but there was one driver on one of the lines leading into Broadview Station who used to get on the bus PA, and do a mock airline announcement. "Ladies and gentlemen, we will be arriving at Broadview shortly, the time is 8.37 am and the current temperature is -8 degrees. Thank you for choosing the TTC and enjoy your day." All the bleary-eyed commuters would give a wan smile. Sometimes that's all it takes.
We did report him and supposedly he was 'disciplined'.
I guess I might be as high strung sitting in one of those boxes underground all day.
Generally I am more than happy with the service, however I usually travel on my bike.
It was one of the few rare times when the usually prim and cold Torontonian passengers would actually break the icy social barrier and make eye contact with other strangers, laughing and smiling at the absurdity.
I was lucky to have this driver a few more times - with the automated voice now, it makes me a bit sad that I'll never get to experience it again, but I'm glad I had the opportunity.
I've had great guys just doing there job, and seen drivers provoking arguments over 5 cents. I'm afraid dealing with the public in Toronto was OK up until 1985. I'd rather live in Resolute Bay than meet some of these people in Toronto now.
Ha - booth employees - there used to be a black women that talked on the phone all the time while doing her half inch long purple fingernails at the Queen station. Is she still there?
And this is coming from a student that works retail for minimum wage that isn't protected by a union (ticketmaster location) I deal with my own bitchy, abusive customers but I would NEVER take it out on the next one.
Every month I regret my choice of buying a metropass.
Not specifically for the price but the fact I am encouraging a transit system that is constantly lagging and seems very unlikely to improve anytime soon.
Our province needs to cough up some more funding for service improvements. Especially when we are encouraging a greener lifestyle and opting for the TTC instead of driving. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? they can hardly handle the amount of people riding now. Can you imagine how bad it would be if even 25% of the citys population driving decided to take the TTC instead. Clearly David Miller has never had to take a queen or king streetcar during rush hour!
My best memory of the TTC is the streetcar driver on the Queen West 501 line that sings out the stops. Or the subway driver on halloween announcing the stops with a spooky voice.
Specifically, people who can't park to save their lives. I should add that the TTC guys were Class Acts all the way during that stupid incident.
After visiting Victoria I too have been saying "thanks" more frequently when disembarking from the TTC.
I don't know about everyone else, but over the last two months or so I've noticed a significant INCREASE in the politeness of TTC operators - maybe it's because it is in fact a contract year? Interesting.
Also, re: the long St. Clair construction time - it's because of the "Save our St. Clair" idiot-group which stalled construction and upset the entire construction schedule with their hare-brained opposition to the project. The TTC doesn't actually do all the work - you have third-party private contractors doing it. When their schedule is thrown out of whack, as you can imagine, everything ends up going out the window, hence the delays and lack of activity you see.
For everyone who's also upset about lack of streetcars: TTC knows. Problem is a lack of *physical streetcars.*
Pray that they place their order for more cars as soon as possible, so the ongoing service disaster can get fixed within the next 2 years... (it's not like you can go to Streetcar Depot and just pick more up - it's all made to order).
For example I was coming home from a club one night and it was quite late (1:15 or so) and I asked the booth operator for change for a fare and he told me just to deposit 2$. Very nice for a poor student like me.
TTC employees are unionized. This means they can arrive late, leave early, take poo breaks while on shift (stopping the streetcar/bus whenever they want and take their time) and barely get punished for it.
- Their pay is amazing, look at the fair hykes! goes to maintenance? is that why there was a de-railment?
- Sure you have to deal with people, but you're sitting on your but the entire shift...rreeeaalllyy hard.
Screw the TTC. Driving will be cheaper and the prices will never go down.
That's the problem with unionized workers, they become spoiled brats.
Public transit is an essential service and as a Toronto resident and taxpayer I have every right to expect a better transit system and transit workers that have at least a minimum amount of respect and courtesy for the riders. Other city's transit systems can manage it, why can't the TTC?
Obviously the current TTC is not working. There needs to be a major internal shakeup to get things back on track (so to speak) Maybe a provincial takeover will accomplish this. Maybe not. Either way something has to change.
Probably, because I can actually drive a vehicle with a steering wheel.
Now look up the word ironic....see how it slaps you in the face, and then laughs at you?
No, I'm sure what you really meant was:
"lack of physical streetcars, without red 'out of service' signs, running in packs, on very cold days, at noon on the Queen route."
But when you hit the peak service period, there's only so many to go around - my point was mainly in response to one person who argued things are fine and dandy, naively believing that 30-year-old rolling stock is somehow a Good Thing - so at peak periods, you'll probably only seem any in the yard if they're being serviced.
Funny you should mention the 501 line and cold weather: I learned from another operator on Wednesday in the -10 weather that the extra-long cars running on 501 are VERY weak in cold weather.
Apparently the cold air combined with some moisture will freeze their air release valves in the open position. If you ever find a 501 car dead in the middle of the road, hissing loudly, that's the problem.
The operator's comment was funny - they built the cars in Thunder Bay, yet they didn't design them for cold weather, i.e. -10 or worse.
I found about this because one of the 501s on diversion through King was broken down, and he explained the whole scenario.
If you were stuck in a horrible traffic jam on Wednesday afternoon on King around Bathurst/Spadina, now you know why.
It did, however, make me cherish the courteous and smiling drivers I encounter with thankfully more frequency than this nutbar.
You obviously no noting about the responsibilities, requirements, and training of any TTC worker. If it makes you feel good or better then anybody working for the TTC by harrassing, insulting and degrading them, then you really are even more pathetic then what is coming through in your comments. I suggest you stop taking this unremarkable system as you put it, and subjecting yourself to the incompetent, idiot drivers as you also stated. Get a better job, buy a car and stay away. Oh yeah, and if you are driving out on the roads...get out of my way. T-bone you later!