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TTC Looks at Using High Speed Ferries

Posted by Eugene / July 4, 2007

20070604_lake.JPGTTC chairman Adam Giambrone will be requesting a feasibility report on using the lake to ferry people downtown from the east and west ends of the city.

The idea, which is only roughly outlined at this point, would involve docking facilities in Etobicoke (near Humber Bay Park) and Scarborough (near Bluffer's Park Marina) and allow Toronto suburbanites to hop on a high-speed ferry that could get downtown in 15 minutes.

If fast moving boats taking Torontonians to and from work is getting you all transit-nerd excited, you may have to calm down for a while - at this point, they're only talking about a memo written to propose a study to actually do this. A similar plan twenty years ago went nowhere, but because of better ferry technology, and a more pressing need to find alternatives to getting people around the city, who knows, this may get more support.

As a city next to a big body of water, we may eventually come around to the idea of using the lake to move people around - water mass-transit has been around for a while in Vancouver and NYC. Logistics and money aside, taking a ferry into the downtown core would be an amazing way to greet the city every morning.

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Discussion

10 Comments

getit / July 4, 2007 at 06:50 pm
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Steve Munro gives a good summary of why the ttc should be concentrating on improving their existing service rather than experimenting with ferries.

http://www.stevemunro.ca/?p=439
john / July 4, 2007 at 08:02 pm
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this from the organization that is currently fighting at the Human Rights Tribunal to make sure they don't have to announce every bus stop. i have little faith in the TTC's ability to accomplish anything.
Michael Kim / July 4, 2007 at 10:30 pm
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A full Vaporetto service like in Venice waterways would be a good starting point. They travel fast, in shallow water, with multiple stops along the way. The Don can be used as another waterway for north/southbound traffic and another reason to clean it up. Also it might be a catalyst to speed up waterfront development.
Ben / July 5, 2007 at 09:26 am
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hows about a <a href="http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1347152006";>hovercraft</a> that pulls right in to Union station?

If they are really interested in far out ideas though, I propose a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_driver";>mass driver</a> in mississauga and a wall of velcro on first canadian place.
Jerrold / July 5, 2007 at 09:36 am
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High speed river ferries were my preferred mode of public transport in Bangkok. They're brilliant!
Jack / July 5, 2007 at 12:00 pm
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they should consider passenger van service like hong kong.. a bit more expensive than buses, cheaper than cab, but get you from one place to another as fast as cabs
kevin bracken / July 5, 2007 at 12:28 pm
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I personally like this idea quite a bit. Then again, I am in favour of building the city out into Lake Ontario on cheesy-looking islands like in Dubai, so don't ask me about the lake.
Maria / July 5, 2007 at 12:39 pm
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Jack, to see what a bad idea passenger vans may be, just look at Mexico City's public transit. A disgrace!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesero
uSkyscraper / July 5, 2007 at 03:55 pm
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Don't believe this for one second. The economics of ferries simply do not work unless you have a massive demand and some serious physical barriers that ideally prevent competing transit routes. The ferries in New York are $6 for the same route that a competing subway service (PATH) charges $1.50 for, and they struggle to survive as a result. Many routes that tried to simply provide an express along the river did not make it because people will not take an infrequent ferry in the middle of winter when they can take a convenenient if crowded subway or bus instead. Ferries require massive subsidies to carry fewer people than a double-streetcar, they suck in bad weather and they are not easy to get to unless you happen to have a big dock right next to your CDB (which Toronto does not). The service in New York uses dozens of buses to try and get riders from the ferry dock to the office buildings -- thereby creating more congestion in those areas. Supplemental ferries just skim the 0.1% of commuters who are wealthy enough and snobby enough and have enough of a fixed schedule to take a ferry rather than the subway. A commuter ferry in Toronto is a silly, silly pipe dream. Try cutting half the stops on the Queen line and speeding up streetcar service instead.
Jerrold / July 5, 2007 at 06:22 pm
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I wonder what the long-term effects would be on our water quality?

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