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Does Toronto Need a Red Light District?

Posted by Ian / May 11, 2007

20070511_gotass.jpgThe other day there was a bit of a hullabaloo when councillor Giorgio Mammoliti (Ward 7, York West) suggested that Toronto should get itself a red light district. Although the idea has been floated before, it was his suggestion of the location that seemed to shock most people: the Toronto Islands.

It's understandable that the idea was met with some criticism given the family-friendly nature of the Islands, but the idea of legalizing prostitution itself does have several health and safety benefits for those who work in that profession. I think a red light district in Toronto wouldn't be a terrible thing for the city, but I'm also not sure where it would go. Since it's already (mostly) on Jarvis, it doesn't seem to make much sense to move it to another part of the city, but I'm not sure what the legalization of prostitution does to a neighbourhood, albeit one that's already pretty shady at night.

Have any readers ever been to places where prostitution is legal? Where do you think a good place in the city would be?

Either way, since most councillors and the mayor himself have not exactly warmed up to the idea, it isn't likely to happen any time soon.

Photo (and likely accompanying interesting story) by Photosapience.

Discussion

21 Comments

Matt / May 11, 2007 at 02:35 pm
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In theory, legalizing prostitution and creating a red light district has enormous potential benefits for sex workers - not just prostitutes, but any sex worker in the city, all of whose rights are seriously under-represented and all of whom could benefit from legislation to better define their rights and increase their on-job safety.

In reality, however, I suspect it's a legitimate impossibility that Toronto government would ever allow such a thing to come to "Toronto the Good." There is simply no way to achieve this that would not be perceived as an irreparable slight upon the city's "good name."
Maria / May 11, 2007 at 02:35 pm
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I can just imagine the ferry ride to the island when patrons are going to the red light district. Now that would be fun!
dyee276750 / May 11, 2007 at 04:25 pm
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let me guess, if they let this fly, Porter Airlines will be opening a Mile High Club!
Wendy / May 11, 2007 at 08:10 pm
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As one of the people who are suing the federal government over the prostitution laws and as a sex worker myself let me tell you that Legalizing prostitution does NOT benefit sex workers. Canada has Legalized prostitution and look at the situtation we're in. What legalization does is open the door to laws that criminal prostitution acts (think Canada, the Netherlands, and Swedan) and brings in inflated taxes (think Germany, Amersterdam etc), that are NOT fair business taxes but instead taxes that can take up more than 75% of a sex workers earnings.

What we need, and what we're suing for is DECRIMINALIZATION (think New South Wales, and New Zealand) which treats sex workers like any other worker with benefits and such and forces them to pay FAIR income tax not unfair income tax or SIN taxes.

For more info on Legalization go to www.spoc.ca
Uncle GoGo / May 12, 2007 at 06:36 am
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<i>I can just imagine the ferry ride to the island when patrons are going to the red light district.</i>

Its the disappointingly disillusioned unfulfilled ride back that would be more sad...

Lived in A-dam for a year. The Red light district there is, well just plain old tacky. How about the best place for the red light district remain the the back pages of NOW Magazine.

OR

How about turning the Old Maple Leaf Gardens into one huge multi-sexual bath house. There could be a section dedicated to "Young Boys for Old Men" in honor of the buildings glorious past!
Jerrold / May 12, 2007 at 12:14 pm
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I think integration would be far more effective than segregation. The islands is a terrible idea.
sookie / May 13, 2007 at 09:21 am
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Spent some time in Amsterdam myself and stayed in the red light district a few times. It was relatively safe and clean (I was chased and nearly mugged once in the city but that was by the train station) though annoying to be offered deals on live sex shows or drugs every 2 minutes while walking around. The one thing I do know is that the ladies earn the right to shine that red light by having regular tests for STDs. Didn't realize that, as Wendy mentions above, they get taxed at high rates, but it is Northern Europe we're talking about here and most citizens pay over 50% in income tax as it is.
photosapience / May 13, 2007 at 01:16 pm
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The "Got Ass?" photo is from last year's "Everything to do with Sex Show" in Toronto. The girls were all about posing for the camera.
Amy Lavender Harris / May 15, 2007 at 12:08 pm
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Interestingly, I'm in the middle of reading a fascinating article on this very subject, Mary Louise Adams' "Almost Anyhting Can Happen: A Search for Sexual Discourse in the Urban Spaces of 1940s Toronto" (published in the Canadian Journal of Sociology, 19(2): 217-232).

It's not at all odd that the Toronto islands would be considered an ideal spot for a formal red-light district: as Adams observes, Toronto's waterfront (especially the islands and Sunnyside) was a prime site for sexual congress and carnal exploration.

I haven't followed the politics of this as a current issue, but at least Councillor Mammoliti's suggestion is historically accurate.
Mary-andi / May 22, 2007 at 03:18 pm
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Great idea Giorgio! Next in line would be to enroll your daughter or sister to a Porn-highschool (Name it "Miller-High-Porn") to learn the "tricks" so that she can make a few more bucks selling her body to loser-johns. Thens Mammoliti can more profitably retire from City Hall! Why let those female go for an MBA or an LLB, eh, Giorgio? After all, politics is a no-no for women as things stand, so it's only logical that Miller and his City Hall mammolitia push their "Pimp Agenda" at the expense of Toronto's girls and women. After all, Canada was one of the four countries that refused to sign the UN resolution that 'Prostitution is an affront to Human Dignity". Atta boys @ Toronto PimpHall.ca!!!
David / August 23, 2007 at 05:03 pm
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People who bother to do the research realize that decriminalizing or legalizing prostitution will have devastating consequences for women. Here's an example of RESEARCH speaking for itself.
http://www.commiesutra.com/?p=161
Dr. Drill Instructor / October 24, 2007 at 05:21 pm
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NO! HELL NO. Never pay for sex. Sex is a Human Right. Eldridge Cleaver organized a stolen car ring to employ his revolutionary proteges, stealing cars in Europe to sell in Africa.

He was aware of the flying car, Paul Moller, GPS and the plans from general motors to takeover the african market. In the book ?Soul on Ice? Cleaver reveals the rape of several white women. He also admitted that he began his career as a rapist by "practicing on black girls in the ghetto." He maintains that his felonious acts have nothing to do with the views expressed in the book. He probably just didn?t like to pay for sex either. Cleaver was released from prison in 1966, after which he
joined the Oakland-based Black Panther Party, serving as Minister of Information.

But now to the point. The Red Light district is only interesting if man will work there as prositutes.

Besides can you guys run a franchise? If a restaurant has a cook and it is a man. The man servants need to be dressed more sexy. When the cook is a woman the woman are sexy.

So Hooters, that's Bill Clinton's favorite place has a female cook. On Iceland there was a law 206 that stated that if you earn money with sex for somebody else this is a violation and one could be punished for two years.
This is not a law anymore.

Considering that your city does not prohibet skirts for man, or man to be sexy in general I do not strongly advice you IGNORE all actions containing the subject prositution.

So only if there is something about MALE prostitution than you guys help organise that. Never do anything for girl prostitution: why is there sex worth money and yours none?

?the Cleaver sleeve? is a designer jeans from Cleaver and it is the next best thing to a levis 303. In Rolling Stone issue 197 on the October 9th it was presented in Rolling Stone. I guess Vivienne Westwood still knows all about it.

Under the Cherry Moon is a 1986 movie directed by and starring Prince and Time member Jerome Benton as gigolos who swindle beautiful French women.
Tracy@Miami / November 25, 2007 at 12:50 pm
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It should be better than the one in Amsterdam.
Hamood / March 23, 2008 at 12:20 pm
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Hi miss
Hamood / March 23, 2008 at 12:22 pm
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Hi ass
Henry / July 5, 2010 at 11:12 am
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It seems Canada is ready for a Red Light District of its own. 61% of Canadian men said they would support one. (Big surprise. lol). A Facebook group was started for it here: http://www.facebook.com/theredlightdistrict
JOHN / September 30, 2010 at 07:51 am
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HEY,
I'm all for THE LEGAL RIGHT to HAVE SEX with another CONSENTING ADULT.
It is one of the greatest evoking visceral pleasures that we are lucky to have to enjoy.
BUT, if one gets PAID, then one should PAY for the consequences it entails.
THE MONEY is the root and the fuel for this PROBLEM. And sadly, that’s what prostitution is about. -THE MONEY.
All one needs to do is look at the results around the world regarding legalizing prostitution, red light districts, and brothels and neighboring reduced real estate, and high taxing for the sex trade workers. Because everyone wants a piece! Sure, sex is every ones legal right. For every RIGHT there is a RESPONSIBILITY that is undeniably attached. Sadly, no one wants the responsibility because it is NOT pleasurable and that is all sex seeking monetary paying clients are looking for. Immediate pleasure and the opportunity to throw a piece of paper 'money' that has a yet intangible and a current "perceived" value to abandon the COST of responsibility.
Legalizing, takes the power away from the police forces to manage exploitation. Sadly, some police, approach their duty to protect ALL citizens and use that power to devalue a sex trade worker. This should NOT be the purpose of policing. However, (that is another and more local issue that should be resolved). With legalizing, comes legal pimping. "Opportunists" will always exist and will be the first to take the next opportunistic step. Using, vulnerable, insecure, sex trade workers to now "legally" pimp them. NOT GOOD! In countries that have legal red light districts, (i.e. INDIA, PHILIPPINES) due to legal prostitution, forces are not charging or arresting pimps anymore, as now can't as easily by law. Without many, and many more roadblocks. Watch their news overseas. NOW, they have ongoing news reports of children being used in the sex trade. One more panel of doors has been open for the opportunists. Because, there can now be brothels, sadly someone ends up "managing" "controlling" the 'house'-The LEGAL brothel. Not one prostitute there will admit to having someone manage them, let alone abuse them and because what happens behind the doors after, no one sees, therefore now DOES NOT EXIST. And within those doors now they can hide children that have been purchased. And guess what, the younger the child purchased the more valuable product to sell for sex. AND the police force can no longer enter a brothel without a warrant. A warrant is difficult to get unless hard-core evidence is available. These children are locked up and never seen. Who is suffering now?
Don't for a moment think that the very poor cultures don't sell their children for money to survive from starvation. Don't think it is not possible to easily bring a young child into our country under false pretenses. And our currency is a heck of a lot better then in third world countries to buy up those children. Don’t think that this will not raise our taxes in order to increase the departments in immigration to TRY to control this influx of illegally immigrated children. Don’t think for a moment that a vote-seeking politician will not use the argument that we need to anti-up number of police officers to manage this situation, and it won’t cost more in taxes. (Yet they still won’t have any control because people quickly forget of the laws). If you have not traveled, you are naive. This is a PANDORAS box we are ALL looking at!
So KUDOS the strong character dominatrix and her lawyer who worked hard to legalize HER life. Will she take the responsibility to come to the aid to all the vulnerable, less aggressive, non A-type women who will now be legally controlled? I'm sure she didn't think nor will fight to the extent she did for cleaning up any of the negative consequences of her cause.

So to be SO empowered to make changes as such, one should be prepared to take FULL responsibility of the consequences.

Where will those who are speaking out so freely be then?
And who's fault will it be then?
karl / September 30, 2010 at 09:30 am
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How does the city go about creating a red light district? Imagine the nimby factor. And what happens when we decide "okay lets turn part of the Sulfur and Hog Rendering district into a red light zone because no one really wants to live near the Sulfur and Hog Rendering district" but then 10 years later the sulfur and hog rendering industry moves to Barrie and now the area's proximity to a subway or street car line or lrt line makes it a prime location for condos (with their lucrative high density property taxes). How do you move the red light district?

Ian / November 15, 2010 at 04:17 pm
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NIMBY? I personally wouldn't give a f*** if a red light district was next door. I don't have kids and never will, and there would finally be more places to serve me booze and late night entertainment and food. Toronto shuts down way too early for me, and a red light district will cure it. We don't all work 9 to 5.
sasha / March 31, 2011 at 02:59 pm
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Red light district will bring many STD's to Toronto. Not to mention you are telling young girls that this is ok, its okay to sleep with nasty men who cant get laid on their own! And the men that pay women for sex are not "normal" men and most are probably criminals.
jack / March 31, 2011 at 03:01 pm
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I could imagine a lot of drunken dead bodies in lake ontario if this happens.

And trannies riding the swan rides with my kids

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