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Lakeshore Local Transit: Sound Plan or Just Another Dream?

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / October 10, 2006

lakeshorelocalsmall.jpgLakeshore Local Express Transit Proposal [ - view it larger - ]

Why pipedream of building new subway lines when you can pursue a more realistic plan, spend a fraction of the cost, and get efficient results?

This is what Matthew Day, candidate for city council, proposes and hopes to see come to fruition. He has a vision for a Lakeshore Local Express transit service that would use existing CN track and GO Transit stations. Building new stations at Kipling and Parklawn/Humber (and considering expansion to include a Roncesvalle stop as well) are part of the plan. Purchasing 5 sets of inexpensive diesel-electric trains, laying just 2km of new track, and forging and fine-tuning a cooperative relationship with GO Transit, VIA Rail, and the TTC are also crucial.

"I like to compare it to a new subway line along the Lakeshore, except it won't cost billions of dollars to build, and can be made to happen very quickly," Day blogs.

I recently had a chance to speak with Matthew Day, who offered some further insight into his Lakeshore transit proposal and how it might affect the citizens in his ward.

Carrying out this plan "would be of massive public benefit," he states. "Crime is here, and it's a function of under-development," adds Day. Citing geographical segregation and aging industry, Day is confident that an express transit system connecting Etobicoke south to Union Station will help spur economic development.

While 24h service and departures every 14minutes at peak, and every 30-minutes during non-peak hours may seem like ambitious targets, Day is confident that it can be done, and at a fraction of the cost of other unattainable proposals (or utopian dreams). A startup cost estimated at less than $100M, and annual projected revenues of $14.5M seem fiscally sound, if these targets are indeed attainable.

He also believes that the resulting 2% (estimated) reduction in commuter traffic on the problem-plagued Gardiner will alleviate some of the congestion and reduce emissions that contribute to pollution. Day went on to add that his ward is the second worst in Toronto for air-quality and it's constituents have higher than average instances of asthma.

When asked how quickly this new transit leg could be up and running, Day optimistically claims that between 6 and 12 months are all that would be required.

While it may seem too good to be true, I do think this proposal has merit. One of the greatest challenges, however, will be getting GO Transit on board. When asked about how the new Lakeshore Local line might affect existing GO ridership and profits, Day admits that it's a hurdle. "GO Transit's main focus is on regular, larger fare passengers," he claims. While this may be true, it doesn't really address the issue of short-trip customers.

Will GO Transit cooperate, knowing that the new line would result in loss of short-trip passengers?

What other issues might arise?

Is this a sound plan or just another transit user's dream?

(map of proposed Lakeshore Local line by Jerrold Litwinenko from public domain source image at wikipedia)

Discussion

20 Comments

Trev / October 10, 2006 at 10:27 am
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It's always reassuring when a candidate comes up with this sort of plan when the Lakeshore west LRT is in a state of planning. Perpetual and endless, yes, but still.

I applaud Mr. Day's initiative, but his efforts would be better spent lambasting the provincial and all GTA governments for the lack of a GTTA. Until I see GO Transit and TTC operating under one umbrella, then nothing will help this city.
myparkdale / October 10, 2006 at 01:18 pm
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the Queen streetcar (501) runs to Long Branch 24-7 and I used to ride it from downtown to near Park Lawn. Sometimes at midnight I'd be the ONLY person on the car, so I have my doubts about if the ridership would be worth the cost. A rail link to Pearson would be a much more usefull project.
jerrold / October 10, 2006 at 01:40 pm
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From Yonge to Longbranch, the 501 Queen streecar takes a LONG time, especially during rush hours.

With a Lakeshore Local, there wouldn't be a need for the super long-run streetcars. Instead, a local streetcar run along Lakeshore (say between Longbranch and the proposed Parklawn/Humber station) could continue, and the Queen 501's only going as far as Humber.

I also don't think 24h regular service on this line would be required at all. Maybe running 1 train per hour between 2am and 5am would be sufficient.
Denise / October 10, 2006 at 01:41 pm
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I'd have to say that either a Pearson link or a York U expansion both seem more pressing.
Natalie / October 10, 2006 at 01:48 pm
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I think it's a brilliant idea.

Long before I moved to the west end, I noticed that the Bloor line was ALWAYS far more crowed westbound from Yonge/Bay/St. George than the eastbound line. It would be great if something could be done to change that imbalance.
jerrold / October 10, 2006 at 02:02 pm
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Just doing some quick math out loud here...

The YorkU extension on the Spadina line is in high demand, has an estimated price tag of $1.5 billion (that's $1500 million) and will take years to complete.

A Pearson link would have huge demand, is being assessed, but I've yet to hear any real cost estimates or time-lines.

This Lakeshore proposal estimates a much lower cost of $100 million (1/15th that of the YorkU plan) and can be operational with months.

Would it make sense to carry out more than one of these plans? I think so. The question remains: how can we pay for all of this?



Dean / October 10, 2006 at 05:03 pm
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This is an idea that I have thought about from time to time. I think it's certainly attainable, and would finally bring ideas that Europeans have been using to improve their transit for decades. We don't need subways everywhere.

I'm not sure if the 24 hour service makes sense, however.
ted / October 10, 2006 at 08:11 pm
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A great, promising idea, even if it is stupid to say yes or no on this without actual study, even if it's rough and preliminary.
For instance, how much commuter traffic would it draw from the Bloor line? Enough to warrant 24h service? Maybe, maybe not.
How many new users would exchange the long streetcar ride on the Lakeshore line now for the new express route and how many would be new passengers? Enough to make it worth the investment?
With the removal of the Gardner a hot topic once again, no doubt there MUST be an public transit alternative in the area to offset the loss (because it's going to happen sooner or later, let's face it).
This kid could be on to something.
Sean Galbraith / October 11, 2006 at 09:36 am
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Interesting idea, but I don't see it happening. Assuming there is the demand to begin with:

1) GO Transit. While a majority of their riders are from the stops farther east, I see no incentive for them to allow the TTC access to their platforms.

2) CN. This is the big problem. The line is already incredibly busy with freight, via and GO trains on it and I suspect these three heavy users aren't going to like being pushed aside just so people don't have to take the Lakeshore Streetcar. And don't forget rail is a federal matter, not provincial.

3) The Lakeshore Streetcar works fine and has almost completed its new dedicated right of way along High Park.
Sean Galbraith / October 11, 2006 at 11:26 am
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Also, on CN lines, such as this one, the trains are driven by CN engineers. Good luck navigating the CN vs. TTC union battles over that one.
jerrold / October 11, 2006 at 11:49 am
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Day suggested a few things in our discussion:

- this doesn't have to be a TTC line, and might fare better as a private business endeavour (avoid union issues, gov red tape, etc)

- the CN tracks are being operated well below capacity, and if Via and GO can shift their "out-of-service" train movements to non-peak hours, there'd be enough room on the tracks for a local passenger service.
Misha / October 11, 2006 at 12:50 pm
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as far as I am concerned, if Toronto wants to be that international city it strives to be, it needs to invest billions into its subway system. Compared to world capitals such as Tokyo, London, New York, and even Shanghai and Seoul, the TTC is living in archaic times. We want to be on the map, well I feel we need to invest in our city heavily. All I hear from car drivers everyday is about the traffic problems. We have to solve it one way or another; and by public means is the way to go. Add that 1 percent to our taxes and give it to the TTC.
jerrold / October 11, 2006 at 12:51 pm
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Toronto only has an annual budget of $7.8 Billion so any major TTC subway extensions will have to get funding elsewhere. 1% of what taxes? Toronto property? Provincial sales? Federal taxes?
Misha / October 11, 2006 at 12:59 pm
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I know it is a pipe dream, but I know what Toronto has to offer. We need to get with the program and divert funds one way or another to put or city on display. Toronto is one of the multi-cultural captials of the world. Everyone speaks of our suffering tourism. Well, if you cant even take the metro from the airport, what do you expect??? No wonder we lost the Olympic bid to Beijing.
Sean Galbraith / October 11, 2006 at 02:39 pm
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Jerrold: Good to know. Still a regulatory nightmare. And still doesn't get around the problem of a) who this private sector company would be and how they would make it profitable b) how you get around CN's requirement that train drivers be CN union members on CN's lines (see recent GO shutdowns on the lines for example) and c) why VIA and GO would adjust their schedules to accomodate competition.

I think a better idea would be to better integrate the local transportation networks with GO. There should be no TTC, no Mississauga Transit, no GO. It should all be one fare interchangable system. Want to get from New Toronto to downtown? Take the bus to Mimico GO station and take the train from there. I suspect it would be much easier and cheaper to implement than a whole new service. Hopefully the GTTA addresses this (it is in their mandate).
jerrold / October 11, 2006 at 05:23 pm
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It would be great to hear Matthew Day's comments on the amalgamation of the GTA transit systems.
Denise / October 12, 2006 at 09:45 am
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Hi Jerrold -

Of course doing all of them would be terrific for the city, regular transit users and tourists (and maybe we'd get more tourists if the city was easier to navigate). I just meant, in order of prioritizing, Pearson and York would have a greater effect on traffic flow and air quality in the city as a whole. My personal opinion is that it's time to have forward vision and commit to a giant project that IS going to take a lot of time and money. It shows we believe in our city and it will have a far greater impact than patchwork solutions, like the Sheppard line to nowhere.

I also think introducing a private company is asking for more trouble. One, would you be able to transfer to and from regular TTC without paying an extra fare? Two, doesn't that give the feds an excuse to continue their non-funding of transit in the country's biggest city? Three, I really want the TTC to make a profit (see: everyone's interest in stylish merchandise) but it's also a public service. Would a private company let someone who ran out of money on for free at 3 am? TTC drivers often do, and less stranded people vulnerable in the city is better for the city as a whole. I personally have great resistance towards privatizing services that the government should step up and find funds for. Privatization rarely happens with the public good in mind. A working GTTA is, as everyone says, the first baby step.

I'd like to point out that I live on the lake and a Lakeshore line would be way more useful to me personally than the York line (never going to go there) or the Pearson extension (if only I could go there more). Obviously an election candidate is going to propose TTC expansion in their own 'hood, but a working city is about the big picture.
Natalie / October 14, 2006 at 02:15 am
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Oh boy. I dislike the idea. They would definately have to expand; add a few more tracks. However how would they solve all the arrivals at union; during rush hour it's really insane. With renovations underway and only 11 tracks shared between VIA and GO transit it would be hard to implement the ttc line in...
kali / October 14, 2006 at 05:02 pm
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This looks like the most affordable proposal I've seen so far. Even though it may not be the most demanded service, at that cost it should be started now.
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