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Islanders vs. The Docks: Nightclub to go Dry

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / July 24, 2006

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The Docks nightclub issued a press release on their website today informing patrons that after a lengthy delay the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) has decided to revoke their liquor license.

Citing pressure from Toronto Islands residents and the actions of City Councillors McConnell and Fletcher specifically, nightclub lawyer Nicholas Macos of Black Sutherland LLP appealed to patrons to voice their concerns to city officials. He also expressed plans for an appeal to the decision:

"The Docks will be appealing and seeking a stay of the decision of the AGCO to permit it to stay open until the appeal. It will remain open until the Courts make a decision on the appeal. If unsuccessful then over 350 employees will be out of work. We believe that the actions of the City and the AGCO will detrimentally impact the waterfront."

The recent AGCO decision is the newest development in an ongoing saga that comes after years of noise complaints from Ward's Island residents. A little more than just 1000m (of mostly open water) separates the two factions. The Docks entertainment complex has been in operation for 11 years, while the approximately 700 island residents (on Ward's and nearby Algonquin Islands) have been there for much longer.

(image adapted from Google maps)

Discussion

29 Comments

Garry / July 25, 2006 at 12:39 am
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Snakes On A Plane!!!!!!!

haha. silly Docks. Alcohol's for responsible people.
kevin Bracken / July 25, 2006 at 12:51 am
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is nightlife safe in any city? :( i moved to toronto from new york to escape the tyrannical, anti-nightlife local government
rotenblog / July 25, 2006 at 08:36 am
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How do you make the worst venue in Toronto even worse... snakes on a mother f**k plane of couse!!!
Mark Dowling / July 25, 2006 at 08:57 am
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Funny that when the argument "it was there first" is used about the Island airport the residents suddently have a sense of humour failure :)
vivy / July 25, 2006 at 09:06 am
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a lot of jobs will be lost because of a 20 rich/old c**ts.... If they don't like the noise, they just have to move to Muskoka! The Docks in an institution in this city...a lot of tourists go there, it is kind of an attraction...I love to go to the driving range there in the summer. And it's a great concert venue... freakin' bourgeois old croutons 'a marde!!!
jerrold / July 25, 2006 at 09:40 am
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I agree that while Toronto is uptight and over-regulated in so many
ways, this islanders issue with the docks isn't part of a greater anti-nightlife lobby.

I also don't think that there is a lack of nightlife in this city (both licensed and unlicensed). There are a lot of night spots that have remained safe... either because they've been relegated to club districts or because they've been able to operate in such ways that are non-disruptive to residents (take for example 99, Wallace, Fraser etc).

All of these places have large, friendly crowds and things are kicking until
6am, and because no trouble occurs (especially excessive noise), the
authorities and residents are accepting of them.
Beth / July 25, 2006 at 10:12 am
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HA HA - Snakes on a Plane! Jerrold, you are priceless.

The Docks is a horrible venue (inside), so perhaps they could make modifications to improve the venue and curb the patio noise (i.e. open the two up to eachother/merge them with the patio covered atrium-style, so they could use it in the winter also).
jerrold / July 25, 2006 at 10:37 am
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Has a Toronto club ever been shut down by the AGCO based on noise issues, or is this a first? Perhaps they should consider adding an "N" for "noise" to their acronym... the AGNCO.
Michael / July 25, 2006 at 11:21 am
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I don't know which side I resent more. The Docks for not being neighbourly or the islanders who shouldn't be living there in the first place.

Michael / July 25, 2006 at 11:25 am
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Stuff like this does happen Jerrold. Someone in the club business wanted to open a bar in the old Church building on Spadina (where 2theBeat is). The local residents group KSRA stopped his liquor license from going through over potential noise issues. Actually, the club owner saw how many people opposed his bar idea and withdrew the application.

jerrold / July 25, 2006 at 11:36 am
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Obviously noise issues can keep new venues from opening in residential communities (thankfully). My question is moreso about the closure of existing venues (that have already gone through the rigorous process of being granted operating licenses). This is the first instance I've heard of where the AGCO has revoked a liquor license of a long-running venue on the basis of noise. Perhaps the additions and changes made to The Docks complex over the years have been a factor?
brokenengine / July 25, 2006 at 11:36 am
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"Has a Toronto club ever been shut down by the AGCO based on noise issues, or is this a first?"

It's funny. The islanders CHOOSE to live there tax free(or is it tax reduced, I forget?), and when "a little more than just 1000m (of mostly open water) separates them" from The Docks, they can get it closed down. Yet, little more than 50ft seperates me from the tiny bar across the street that insists on having racous parties with live music and all the windows open until 4am. They have fights outside, and drug dealers working with no regard for who sees them. But I "Choose to live in this neighbourhood" and noise complaints seemingly go inheeded.

I am sick to the city kowtowing to the island residents. Suck it up people.

jerrold / July 25, 2006 at 12:16 pm
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Just to be clear, I'm not choosing any sides here. On one hand, I've heard that the noise complaints from the islanders are grossly exaggerated. I've also heard that it keeps them awake all night and causes emotional distress. I've heard that the Docks has on numerous occassions made various attempts to keep volumes lower (much to the dismay of clubbers yearning for more bass). I've also heard that expansion to the Docks complex over the years went on without proper consideration.

Regardless of who is to blame, I don't think your analogy (living 50ft from a bar) is all that tight. What you're describing has been common to downtown living since the beginning of time, whereas for the Islanders all was peaceful until the Docks club popped up and changed things for the first time.

Clearly this Docks vs. Islanders issue is a unique problem that will result in unique solutions. It's just a shame that there has to be a big winner and a big loser in this case.
CP24 Poll / July 25, 2006 at 12:36 pm
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There's an online <a href=http://www.citynews.ca/polls.aspx>;CP24 Poll</a> regarding the AGCO liquor license/noise connection or lack thereof.
steve / July 25, 2006 at 01:06 pm
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Sadly I sympathize with the Islanders... I have bar (came after I had been there 10 years already) on the other side of the street and I often spend many a sleepless night as the drunks pile out unto the sidewalk and yell and yell and yell... Yes, the solution is to sell my Condo (as well as another 140 residents) and move away... but am I going to go ahead and do that... unlikely... The Docks was established and like any large juggernaut they assumed they can do whatever they want... only without beer now... lol
brokenengine / July 25, 2006 at 01:53 pm
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My point was just reinforced by Steve. But it is also this: This shouldn't be about "Who was there first". It should be about who is causing serious discomfort to someone else living in a crowded city. I'm no fan of the Docks and not sad to see it go. But I am sick of the preferential treatment the islanders get, and the sense of entitlement the wield due to it. If the AGCO is willing to do this for them, they should be revoking half the liquor licenses in this city.
jerrold / July 25, 2006 at 03:13 pm
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I created an account on the <a href=http://torontoisland.org/>;Toronto Island Community Website Forums</a> to see if there was any discussion going on amongst residents (torontoislands.org -> bulletin board).

Instead I found that the mostly empty forums had been carpet bombed with graphic insults and harsh profanities by an irate non-islander.
Chester Pape / July 25, 2006 at 04:34 pm
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Good riddance.

If this thing had been pointed at Leslieville or Riverdale or High Park or Bloor West and was blowing people out of bed 4 nights a week it never would have lasted 11 weeks let alone 11 years, but beacuse it's the "cushy islanders" that's different.

The Docks continues to try to deny access to the public waterfront along polson quay that they don't own. Although I gather they finally took down the fence.

The Docks has been convicted twice of non-noise related license viloations, they saved their license last time by plea bargaining before they got to court. One suspects that the main reason they haven't been charged more often is that the cops don't want the private duty gravy train to dry up.

Of course there's more to this than the Docks itself, remember Sprackman now has a irrevokable 20 year lease on the old Knob Hill property.

I'd be curious to see if the Sprackman name shows up on any municipal election fundraising lists...that would be enlightening
Dabusan / July 25, 2006 at 06:17 pm
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What's this - someone things the island airport was there before the islanders??!!

Islanders lived there before airplanes existed. Go ask Ned Hanlan.

D'oh
jerrold / July 25, 2006 at 06:25 pm
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"Islanders lived there before airplanes existed..."

in tents!
Mark Dowling / July 25, 2006 at 11:20 pm
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With the increasing number of condos downtown - where *will* it be possible to have a nightclub of this type without such objections in the City of Toronto?

When the grand plan of boulevards and boardwalks and parks comes to the waterfront - what else will be squeezed out I wonder?
Chester Pape / July 26, 2006 at 09:15 am
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Keeping in mind that it's unlikley the Docks would survive as a nightclub for a lot longer anyway, the owner's regular business is running shopping malls, they've already been turned down once in an attempt to convert the property into a strip mall anchored by a big box home improvement store (obviously not Home Depot as they own a lot just up Cherry Street). The Docks is just a placeholder until they can end run around the city at the OMB to do it.
robina / July 26, 2006 at 12:40 pm
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If residents have been there for more than 11 years, longer than the Docks, then how is it that they've managed the noise all years if it's THAT disruptive. By no means do I suggest these residents give in and move out, but as I've adjusted to my increasingly local neighbourhood, human nature is that we adjust to our environment. Am I correct to say, it must've been tolerable enough to have residents still living on the island after 11 years? If you want peace and quiet, then you go up North. The city's too alive for it to be quiet.
Stephanie / July 27, 2006 at 07:03 am
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Island residents are the privileged few who for the most part have been lucky enough to inherit a beautiful home in a park minutes away from a major metropolis. There is a waiting list of 500 names for non-family members to buy into the Island on the rare occasion when a home comes onto the market. Since the list is currently closed due to demand, it is evident that 1000's of people would love to live on the Island with the Docks as their neighbour.
Show your support for the Docks by going to their website (www.thedocks.com) and emailing Miller and the AGCO.
davis / July 28, 2006 at 03:12 pm
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Sounds travels very very well over water - so 750m can sound right next door. Why arn't people allowed to live on the island? Why do people think they get better treatment? The docks moved in, there have been noise complaints year after year after year after year - and finally someone had the balls to shut them down.
jerrold / July 28, 2006 at 07:12 pm
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The Docks won a court injuction today, allowing them to remain open and serve liquor with conditions:

- pay outstanding fines of $14,000 today

- no large outdoor events (ie concerts).

- no amplified music, DJ or voice on the patio after 11 p.m.

- windows stay closed
Dj Moudy / August 16, 2006 at 01:41 pm
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if those island poeple dont' want to get the h**l out of thier they better get some soundproofe windows and stop bothering the nightlife of thousands of people
Bill Smith / August 19, 2006 at 10:10 am
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I should preface I am not a fan of the Docks as a nightclub experience, I prefer smaller venues either that or I am getting old. If I was the Docks owner, I would be investing in some sound engineering to kill the noise across the water.

I am also not a fan of TO Island residents, yes they live in idyllic paradise 20 minutes from downtown. They still have their residences thourgh expert politiking in the 1980's when Metro Council wanted to turn the whole Island into a park. The residences scored 99 year leases on the land. So they have a really sweet deal.
Bill Smith / August 19, 2006 at 10:11 am
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I should preface I am not a fan of the Docks as a nightclub experience, I prefer smaller venues either that or I am getting old. If I was the Docks owner, I would be investing in some sound engineering to kill the noise across the water.

I am also not a fan of TO Island residents, yes they live in idyllic paradise 20 minutes from downtown. They still have their residences thourgh expert politiking in the 1980's when Metro Council wanted to turn the whole Island into a park. The residences scored 99 year leases on the land. So they have a really sweet deal.

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