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Will the Annex benefit from Queen West's indie demise?

Posted by Derek Flack / April 11, 2011

Silver Snail Move AnnexIt's an old story by now. Queen West just ain't what it used to be. First it was Bakka Books (now moved to Harbord Street), followed by places like the BamBoo, the 360 and, of course, Pages — all former mainstays on the strip. Most recently, the Sliver Snail announced that it'll be heading elsewhere sometime next year. Of these Queen West losses and defections (there are many more one could name), the latest might be the most telling because skyrocketing rent hasn't been cited as a major factor. According to Silver Snail manager George Zotti the street just doesn't feel like home anymore.

There are other reasons, to be sure — owner Ron Van Leeuwen is retiring and selling the building — but Zotti, who has agreed to purchase the business along with partner Mark Gingras, thinks it's time to move to an area where there's more of a community of independent retailers. "We've been thinking about moving for a while. Queen West just doesn't have the counterculture appeal it used to," he told me over the phone last Friday.

At this point, there's probably not much need to corroborate his claim. The rise of big retail on the strip has been a long time coming, and the proclamations of the death of Queen West are as well documented as they are predictable. As Zotti says, "a scene like the one Queen used to have eventually attracts the mainstream."

Perhaps more interesting is the desire to try the Annex as a future location for Silver Snail. Although it's still a long way off, when the store does eventually relocate — and, just to be clear, at no point will it be closed — this is the neighbourhood Zotti has set his sights on. "The Annex just feels more like Queen West used to be. There are lots of book stores, U of T is there, and you have the high school kids as well. Silver Snail would fit in."

AnnexAs much as I think that last bit is true, it's not as if the Annex hasn't been accused of becoming too corporate itself. Having more to do with fast food joints than the retail/fashion sphere, it's still pretty common to hear people lament that the Annex isn't what it used to be either. Zotti disagrees. "It's still an area that's full of small boutiques and independent stores. It has the passerby traffic that we've lost [on Queen Street]," he notes, in reference to the neighbourhood's demographic more than just the number of pedestrians out on the street.

Who knows, maybe there's a bit of an independent resurgence in the cards for the Bloor Street strip? It's tough to call a trend based on one store's desire to relocate, but the replacement of Burger King with Guu SakaBar is surely a positive sign as far as the food scene goes. And, unlike Queen West, independent businesses along Bloor have proven more resilient to a corporate presence in the area.

At a minimum Zotti's desire to relocate the Snail is discussion worthy. Will Queen West become even more of a tourist-only zone than it is today? Does the Annex have enough of the counterculture vibe Zotti speaks of? Will other established indie businesses look to Bloor as a possible home? The Snail's future plans engender more questions than answers, but the very fact that they're being posed is as much an auspicious sign for the independent vitality of the one area as it is more doom and gloom for the other.

Photos by Fuzzy Rixard and Ronnie Yip in the blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

43 Comments

Sam / April 11, 2011 at 06:21 pm
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Queen West may be dead, but West Queen West and Parkdale live on.

The Annex is boring.
infernalmachine / April 11, 2011 at 07:09 pm
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i'd love to know where artists and indie shops will go after parkdale jumps the shark (it's halfway there) --- you kinda fall into the lake after that point.

wtha replying to a comment from infernalmachine / April 11, 2011 at 07:29 pm
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After the older generation of Poles die off, Dundas West and Ronces probably, linking all the way up to the Junction.
Richard / April 11, 2011 at 07:32 pm
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Yup, the Queen West refugees have already started to migrate into the Junction. I'm seeing it more and more everyday.
Matt / April 11, 2011 at 07:36 pm
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The Annex is the best! The world's best sushi; the coolest dudes in the world packed into the Brunny and the Madison, sleazing on my girlfriend every goddamn night; people with dreadlocks; overpriced apartments...

No, wait: everything about that neighbourhood except for the houses and the Victory Café is horrible.
Matt replying to a comment from infernalmachine / April 11, 2011 at 07:57 pm
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I wouldn't say Parkdale has jumped any shark. It's just that one block with the Caddy and the Parkdale Drink, and then further down Parts & Labour (ugh to them).

The rest has by no means jumped anything.
Liz Crawford / April 11, 2011 at 08:03 pm
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Hamilton is next. Mark my words.
yt replying to a comment from Liz Crawford / April 11, 2011 at 08:13 pm
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srsly, it's already happened.
Alex / April 11, 2011 at 08:24 pm
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I think the Annex is the right move but I also think that the "indie" vibe on that strip is certainly not going to last 30 years. In 5 the Annex will be more like Yonge/Eg than anything else. Real estate too expensive for it not to go that way.

Whoever owns Labyrinth better get the 50% off everything/store closing sign ready. No way Annex supports Beguiling/Snail and Labyrinth...
Annex/Junction / April 11, 2011 at 08:29 pm
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I love the annex, but the junction is the next hot neighbourhood.

But i would like to see silver snail move to the annex.
bubble / April 11, 2011 at 08:29 pm
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I don;t know if this is a good business choice..

A lot of teens from the suburbs and other parts of the city always go here.... Queen West is 'safe' (i.e. familiar, close to chain stores and Eaton Centre).

I doubt they'd venture off to a part of the city they weren't familiar with.
Dosadi / April 11, 2011 at 09:00 pm
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About a decade ago (could be longer) I stopped shopping at the Silver Snail. They stopped selling the role playing games and lead miniatures and moved into the realm of action figures, movie memorabilia and other associated merchandise. I lament what the upstairs of the Snail used to be. I have not been in there in many years so I can’t comment on their current stock mix, but considering the popularity of geek/nerd culture these days the Silver Snail seems the perfect fit for Queen West. It was always why I assumed they survived while shops like Dragon Lady, Grey L(R)egion and others closed up shop. Kudos to them for staying in business and adapting to the changing market, even if they did stop providing me with a reason to shop there. The last bit of the Queen West of my childhood will disappear with their departure.
rek / April 11, 2011 at 09:27 pm
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If not the Annex, Koreatown. More and more Korean businesses are closing up and heading north (or nowhere) it seems, while more retail moves in.

With the Silver Snail, the Annex will have three comic book shops (not to mention BMV) within a few blocks of each other.
JLankford replying to a comment from Alex / April 11, 2011 at 09:28 pm
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I don't know why the strip couldn't support numerous comic/manga specialty stores. I'm willing to bet most people that visit one visit the other as it is now.
tchattam / April 11, 2011 at 09:41 pm
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I love just about everything about the Annex, except the douch magnet Brunswick house. If only that demographic could go barf on their own sidewalks that would be great.
Matthew Fabb replying to a comment from Alex / April 11, 2011 at 09:46 pm
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Yeah, that's my concern as well. Yesterday Heroes was another comic store in the Annex that recently went under. I'm not sure if that area can support 3 comic book stores.

I think moving further west on Queen Street West, might be a better idea. Or perhaps somewhere on Yonge street.
bob replying to a comment from Alex / April 11, 2011 at 10:31 pm
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Well, maybe Yonge & Eglinton is pushing it...
c-town / April 11, 2011 at 11:07 pm
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CABBAGETOWN!!! Its a diamond in the rough.
izzy / April 12, 2011 at 01:00 am
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QUEEN EAST is HOTTTT HOT HOT!
Chris Orbz / April 12, 2011 at 02:49 am
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The Annex isn't boring, it's drunk.

I'm west-side to the grave buuuuuuut lately I really can't ignore how much clamour I'm hearing about the other side of the valley.
Mike / April 12, 2011 at 04:13 am
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queen west, west queen west, queen west west...whatever...a gaping hole of nothingness...unless you call the highest douchebag ratio in canada something...
S / April 12, 2011 at 06:05 am
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There goes the neighbourhood... sigh.
Mr. S. / April 12, 2011 at 06:14 am
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I wouldn't worry about all the streets being gentrified. We don't have the money, nor the talent, of Manhattan. We're also well overdue for a 'correction'. I haven't spoken with Ron (the owner) for years, but you don't get wealthy in the comic business by being an idiot. I think he knows he's not going to get any more value out of that real estate than in the present.
Jeremy / April 12, 2011 at 07:48 am
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Its sad really. I feel like the heart of downtown is turning all corporate. Kill off Sam the Record man...move away Silver Snail....the Chum/City building now being run by CTV (is there even a speakers corner there anymore?..remember that before Youtube?!?)
what? / April 12, 2011 at 07:59 am
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Chum/City and Sam the Record Man were corporations, you genius.
joe / April 12, 2011 at 08:05 am
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Junction has hookers & crack.
Mr. S. replying to a comment from joe / April 12, 2011 at 08:18 am
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"Junction has hookers & crack." And does anyone who doesn't live there know where it is? No area is going to be the next great street if there is no decent transit to it. Cool people don't own cars, even in Toronto.
cjergl / April 12, 2011 at 08:32 am
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I take exception to the comment "Juction has hookers & crack". I live in the area - and having recently moved from Parkdale (nightmare!), I can assure you, there is nothing visible of the sort. The area is very family-oriented and still has much untapped potential.
QE4L / April 12, 2011 at 08:35 am
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Those d-bags can keep going west, straight to BC for all i cared.

Just don't think about touching Queen East.

We got a good thing going over here and you're NOT invited.

Ryan L. / April 12, 2011 at 09:00 am
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Think about all the money invested into neighbourhoods that just goes to waste as soon as they aren't hip anymore.

If anyone plans on buying property they really need to think about that. Buying a condo in a trendy neighbourhood is stupid. By the time condo plans have gone through the neighbourhood has likely already peaked. You will be buying it at the most expensive it will likely ever be (relative to the always increasing housing prices)
Crimson Cass replying to a comment from Mr. S. / April 12, 2011 at 09:32 am
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Mr. S, you don't own a car, but you also don't know how to look up TTC information? The Junction has a bus route all of its own, and is additionally served by frequent service on Keele and Runnymede.
Alex / April 12, 2011 at 09:53 am
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Yeah, sure, parkdale et all are wicked - but the Annex is central, and has the subway. Close enough for convenience to the wealthy bits of the city central, no reliance on the Dufferin Bus required. Or any bus.
gail / April 12, 2011 at 11:23 am
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Junction is central.. has its own bus and term.. Junctioner.
ARod replying to a comment from infernalmachine / April 12, 2011 at 03:14 pm
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You'll be waiting another 20 years for that.
Adrian replying to a comment from QE4L / April 12, 2011 at 03:18 pm
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Well if all Queen Easters are as petty and territorial as you sound...
L-Ville replying to a comment from Adrian / April 12, 2011 at 03:24 pm
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We just dont like riff raff.

Thats for Queen Wests for.
rajknow / April 12, 2011 at 10:51 pm
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1) Hookers and crack in the Junction? Yeah...maybe 20 years ago. Pretty much young families and gallery owners now.

2) Much of Toronto is too valuable land-wise. A lot of the vibe has and will move to Hamilton...first James North, then maybe Ottawa Street.
Blue Steel / April 12, 2011 at 11:39 pm
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Cool story Hansel.
Ossington South of Dundas is so hot right now.
Mr. S. replying to a comment from Crimson Cass / April 13, 2011 at 07:58 am
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Seriously, have you ever travelled? A bus route does not count as decent transit in 'destination cities'.
Reality replying to a comment from Mr. S. / April 13, 2011 at 08:32 am
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Well it is in Toronto, and that is all we will ever get transit wise.
joe / April 13, 2011 at 09:55 am
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hookers & beer
Shane / April 18, 2011 at 12:40 pm
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As a Small Business Owner in the Annex and on Queen Street(Outer Layer) Both neighbourhoods have been good to us.
We open up our Queen Street Location (8ys ago) because it has simular qualities as the Annex. There is also differences but a creative retailer like 'Silver Snail' would adapt easly to the Annex. It's worth checking out the Annex as a place to move.
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