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Rogers Upgrades Express Users to 10Mbps

Posted by Jerrold Litwinenko / May 27, 2009

rogers upgrade to 10Mb service for expressI was just surfing the web and got this strange and wonderful pop-in (not pop-up) courtesy of Rogers Internet (I'm not sure how they manage to hijack my browser to aggressively deliver this important message to me, but that's a whole other issue).

Apparently Rogers will be upgrading users of their "Express" internet service from 7Mbps to 10Mbps speed. At no cost. Users of the "Lite" service will jump from 1Mbps to 3Mbps. At no cost. And "Extreme" users? They kinda get the shaft.

The upgrade effectively brings the speed of the "Express" service on par with that of their "Extreme" service (the only notable differences now remaining being a higher monthly usage cap and lower additional usage charge on the Extreme service).

Is this jump from 7Mbps to 10Mbps going to make much of a difference? Perhaps. But if they're able to throttle and shape our usage anyhow (i.e. "active network management"), it's almost a moot point.

Here's today's press release from Rogers.

Discussion

27 Comments

sarah / May 27, 2009 at 02:38 pm
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too bad they're still cutting off the Flickr Pro accounts.
Jarek Piorkowski / May 27, 2009 at 02:52 pm
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Good thing they have a generous bandwidth allocation to use these speeds on, too.
Al replying to a comment from sarah / May 27, 2009 at 02:53 pm
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I have a Flickr Pro account but I don't use Rogers.

Sarah, can you explain what the 'cutting off' entails?
David W / May 27, 2009 at 02:53 pm
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Latency and upload speeds are more important than their imaginary download speeds. Extreme is 1Mb upload while Express is half of that. My upload cap is the only one where I actually see the cap reached. They can make my download limit 1,000,000Mbps and it'll make no difference at this point.
Lioness / May 27, 2009 at 02:53 pm
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When I complained about Rogers cutting off the Flickr Pro accounts I was told that if people complained enough, they would revisit the decision.
Jason / May 27, 2009 at 02:57 pm
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I bailed on Roger's when they added the bandwidth cap (60GB) and then a month later wanted to bump my rate. With taxes, bogus charges like "modem rental", the rate for Express was around $54/month.

I went with a dry-loop DSL from http://www.teksavvy.com/ and it's $41/month for 200GB. (That includes taxes and $7 which goes to Bell for providing the copper wire to my house.)

Other ways to untangle yourself from Roger's:
* cancel your cable
* switch to www.opendns.com so you don't get roger's ads when you misspell a URL (that might also prevent those creepy pop-ins)
Roman replying to a comment from Al / May 27, 2009 at 02:59 pm
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Al,

If you create a flickr account using your @rogers.com ID, then you used to get free Flickr Pro. I'll be missing this feature when it goes away....
Ryan L. replying to a comment from Jason / May 27, 2009 at 03:12 pm
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It's not that easy. When you use an ISP other than Rogers and Bell (or Shaw and Telus in other areas of the country), you're really just buying Rogers and Bell bandwidth repackaged with a different company's logo.

I got a good deal on my Rogers Cable internet when I simply remarked on the phone that I was shopping around and was just calling to check on prices. They immediately offered me a discount per month and waived the setup fees and modem rental fees.

So while you may get more bandwidth than me at 200 GB, you're still stuck with Bell's traffic shaping, so I can't imagine how you'd even utilize that 200 GB anyways when your speeds are just as slow as the rest ofus.
Matthew Braga / May 27, 2009 at 03:32 pm
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Bell's traffic shaping is fairly easy to get around, if you have the right equipment. A Linksys WRT54G router with the custom Tomato firmware offers encrypted traffic that's largely unthrottled. Keep in mind, Rogers is just as notorious for its own throttling practices.

As an Express user, I'm not pleased at all with the increase. The increase in speed does nothing to my paltry upload, and only ensures that I'll hit the 60GB cap faster than before.
Trev / May 27, 2009 at 03:43 pm
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Ummmm. Whoopie?

Come just west of the GTA (to at least Oakville) and use Cogeco. Midrange has been 10Mbps for a while now ... 16Mbps is the top range with them. And their service is reliable to boot.

Dan D / May 27, 2009 at 03:45 pm
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That being said, active network management doesn't mean ALL traffic is shaped and slowed down, only mostly illegal bittorrent traffic is slowed down during non work hours, the speed bump will be noticed by users who watch videos on youtube, browse websites, download programs etc. I'm hate rogers as much as the next guy, but I just want to avoid any FUD (fear, uncertainly and doubt) being spread through mis-information.

Matthew is correct in suggesting you can use a customer firmware on your router to get around this issue, although it only works with specific DSL companies that aren't Bell.
Rich R / May 27, 2009 at 03:52 pm
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To Dan's point on avoiding FUD ...Rogers throttles a lot of traffic not just bit torrent, this includes corporate VPN SSL traffic, also the statement "mostly illegal bittorrent traffic" is a massive generalization, there is no data to back that up
Matthew Braga replying to a comment from Rich R / May 27, 2009 at 04:35 pm
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Keep in mind, encrypted traffic like SSL VPN connections were only throttled once users began using them to tunnel their Bitorrent connections. If you recall even two or three years ago, little to no encryption was required on providers like Bell and Rogers, but simply an open and unfiltered port. Nowadays, you generally need your encryption settings at their highest for Bitorrent traffic to even remotely work.

Also, I'm probably arguing semantics here, but *all* bitorrent traffic is throttled, not just the illegal stuff. At last check, Rogers is not employing Deep Packet Inspection techniques - the only way you can be notified for downloading illegal content is by downloading honeypot torrents or links set up by those in the industry, who in turn notify your ISP.
Joel M / May 27, 2009 at 04:54 pm
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Teksavvy supports MultiLink PPP (MLPPP) which completely gets rid of Bell's torrent throttling. I've been with them for two years now and never get torrent throttling at all. You do need a certain type of router, but its worth it to avoid Bell or Rogers limits.

Only a few providers support MLPPP in Canada. They have great customer service as well if you need help installing it.
ender replying to a comment from Jason / May 27, 2009 at 05:11 pm
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I guess you guys who left Rogers for TekSavvy aren't going to be too happy when Bell enforces its bandwidth cap eh?
Dan D replying to a comment from Matthew Braga / May 27, 2009 at 05:18 pm
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Correct Rich, I should have mentioned that earlier, all SSL based traffic is slowed down by Rogers outside of business hours, regardless of its legality. The reason they only do this outside of business hours, is due to Rogers users require corporate VPN solutions to not be throttled.

To give you some background on how ISP's go about shaping or throttling traffic. I know from experience that ISP's utilize solution from Sandvine Inc one of many available to ISP'S, which in simple terms tells the remote server to drop the connection, then when your bit torrent client tries to establish it again, it takes quite a while, thus the "slowness" you notice within your bit torrent client.
Daryl / May 27, 2009 at 06:26 pm
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I think the Flickr issue is far more important than subtle bumps in speed and nitpicking over torrents shaping.

@Lioness: how did you complain?
Richard S / May 27, 2009 at 07:04 pm
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SWEET :)

I cannot imagine a company any worse than Bell.
Lioness / May 27, 2009 at 07:37 pm
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Daryl,
I filled in a form online, putting "degradation in service" (one of their options) as the reason for my complaint. When they wrote back and said that the reason the agreement with Yahoo (who owns Flickr) had changed was because it had changed, I replied and complained about their non answer.
I also called and was shunted from the regular Rogers gal to an IT guy, who admitted that although it was an internet issue, it had nothing to do with his area of expertise, and he then forwarded me to someone who knew what I was talking about but did not offer to lower my monthly fee (not that I expected it but it was worth a try). It was this last man who said they did track complaints.
wb / May 27, 2009 at 11:15 pm
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A Flickr Pro account is $24.95 US. For christsakes, quit your whining. Use Picassa or get some cheap hosting and build your own site.
Jarek Piorkowski / May 28, 2009 at 12:36 am
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That's 25 USD per year, or 2.32 CAD per month at today's rates.
Dobbs replying to a comment from Joel M / May 28, 2009 at 07:01 am
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Could you explain what that is, Joel? I'm with Teksavvy... is there something on their site like a walk through or something on how to set that up or what modem I need?
G / May 28, 2009 at 09:27 am
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I am joining the protest here about the cutting off the flickr accounts. I was outrages to hear about that since it was the only positive thing I have ever got from rogers.
Where would be the most effective address to send our complains?
Joel M replying to a comment from Dobbs / May 28, 2009 at 11:16 am
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I'm not quite an expert at how it works, I just know it's basically a workaround to prevent Bell from throttling your account.

I can tell you how to install it though. The modem they send you is fine, what you do need is a specific type of router that can run Tomato Firmware, most people use the Linksys WRT54GL. (It has to be those letters EXACTLY) The firmware with MLPPP and instructions can be found here: http://fixppp.org/index.php?p=documentation

Simply download and install Tomato onto your router, turn on MLPPP and in the settings and you're set. You'll want to keep it Single Link as multi-link is for people with more than one modem. If you don't notice a speed increase you may have to call Teksavvy to make sure they have MLPPP activated on your account.
Marc Lostracco / May 28, 2009 at 12:22 pm
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If you don't know how Rogers manages to hijack your browser, this is how:
http://torontoist.com/2007/12/dr_frankenwebs.php

They've been doing it since the end of 2007.
zappa / May 29, 2009 at 08:09 am
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I am cancelling all my services with Rogers this weekend. I will be happy again.
levin / July 25, 2010 at 01:08 am
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how do we use it ? and what is Flickr Pro ? can anyone tell me // thenkz !!!

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