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Marlon's Meats

Posted by Staff / Posted on November 4, 2011

Marlons Meats TorontoMarlon's Meats is the butcher shop formerly known as The Butchers that created a huge mess in 2011 by running numerous $400 for $100 worth of meat deal with Web Piggy and other group buying sites. This new store was financed in part by the revenue from those deals.

Discussion

99 Comments

Cynthia Kennedy / December 1, 2011 at 04:39 pm
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What you fail to mention is that, not only did he run numerous deals, he has since refused to honour purchased vouchers. After 6 months of changing the rules and enforcing restrictions on purchasing times and quantities, I recently went into the store in person and was swiftly told to go if I had a voucher. The owner has decided he is not responsible to any of us who helped him finance his renovations and will not fulfill his obligations. Beyond this, it has been proven that the claim his meat is organic is untruthful. I would encourage consumers to stay away from this shop. Go up the street to The Friendly Butcher instead.
Richard / December 11, 2011 at 07:00 pm
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Ask Silverman for help he still helps us I did thanks.http://petersilvermanhelps.com/index.php/contact-us
Richard / December 11, 2011 at 07:00 pm
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Here is the link http://petersilvermanhelps.com/index.php/contact-us
John Rietkerk / January 8, 2012 at 01:12 pm
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I was a supplier to the Butchers, supplying them game meats. Marlon owes me $6000 dollars and pretends that he is not reponsible even though he acted as the owner all the time I dealt with him. I have a Toronto court judgement for this outstanding debt of The Butchers which Marlon will not pay. Now his store has a new name. Do not trust him!

Shanta / January 10, 2012 at 11:44 am
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I am sure that there are hundreds of us in the same boat. This was a very clever way of "stealing' from the public. There must be an avenue for him to be made to refund the monies. The public should be made aware of all his business practices.
Kelly / January 11, 2012 at 04:00 pm
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Isn't there anything we can do? I just got off the phone with them and they tell me I now have to wait 3 months for my order...so that is 5 months. I bought these vouchers in April 2011 and have yet to redeem anything. I just got off the phone with these absolute horrid people and they told me quite frankly, if I don't like it, hire a lawyer. That was from Mike. Real Great Customer Service!

What happened to their twitter account. It's still there, but none of mine or other tweets hit it.
Baikin replying to a comment from Kelly / January 11, 2012 at 07:17 pm
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What is their number? They never answer their emails, and I don't live close by their store.
fed up / January 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm
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Do the math — if 25000 vouchers were sold and say, Marlin filled 5000, that leaves 20,000 unfilled vouchers -- or 2 million dollars ( $100*20000) has been stolen. Even if the voucher companies take a 50% cut, Marlin would have stolen 1 million from the public. Can't some lawyer be willing to take on this million dollar lawsuit?
fed up replying to a comment from fed up / January 12, 2012 at 12:01 am
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EMAil peterguy.silverman476@gmail.com
Jun / January 14, 2012 at 11:58 am
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Shoot, I never expect this would happen. Should the companies sold the vouchers have some responsibilities? Should we ask medias like Toronto Star, CP24 to take a look on this. Would this help?
Ashlin / January 17, 2012 at 06:13 pm
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I've tried many butchers in the area and I would like to say that Marlon's meat has the best organic and naturally raised meat around. Not only does he have delicious meat and a large selection, he offers outstanding service. Once in a while he will throw little extras in with your order so you can try something new. Marlon really cares about his customers...treats them like family. He lost a lot of money with this whole voucher deal...he still honours the vouchers even though he has lost so much money from them. Give the guy a break. You guys are nit-picking over vouchers. The meat is already at an extremely good price...better than Metro or Loblaws.
Shannon / January 17, 2012 at 07:22 pm
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@Ashlin - I'm sorry, WE are supposed to feel sorry for HIM when we PAID for a product, he took OUR money, and now he refuses to provide that product??? And if he'd lost so much money, I doubt he'd have been able to renovate the store. I live in the area and bought a voucher as an introduction to the store - it hasn't been a good experience at all, and I will probably never shop there in the future because he doesn't seem to care about his customers at all.
kiki / January 23, 2012 at 10:45 pm
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I think Marlon has the best meat and the friendliest attitude- no voucher scam is going to change that. A lot of people have fallen victim to internet scams- let's not throw the baby out along with the bath water!!!! Marlon hasn't disappeared, he's at the store everyday- certainly not the image of someone who's hiding something. Everyone deserves a second chance!
Linda / January 27, 2012 at 12:26 pm
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@Kiki...A second chance??? You are, obviously, not one of the thousands of us, who have lost our hard-earned money, because of his refusal to follow through on a business deal that HE made!!
kiki / January 27, 2012 at 06:53 pm
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Oh come on, people!!!! This is just plain greed talking! You weren't looking for a "deal" here, you were looking for a "steal"!!!! You're complaining that you're only getting meat for the price you paid, and not 4 times the amount????? Sheesh!
Michelle / January 31, 2012 at 05:55 pm
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I received a credit from Webpiggy today. I just sent them a quick email and they gave me the credit immediately. They acknowledged that Marlon was being unresponsive and was refusing to either honour or refund the vouchers. Obviously a credit is not as good as a full refund, but it's still better than nothing.

FWIW, I filed a complaint with the BBB, contacted the Ministry of Consumer Services, and emailed Silverman Helps. I was surprised to see that only 5 complaints about Marlon's were listed on the BBB's site. I expected it to be much higher given the number of people who have lost out on this....
snuggle bunny / February 1, 2012 at 10:39 am
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I just called Marlon's (after being told by Webpiggy to do so) and Marlon is contending that the Coupon companies are playing games and that he is in litigation with them - oy! - i am now asking the Coupon company - anyone had an experiences with Webpiggy and refunds?
Jackie / February 7, 2012 at 05:37 pm
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I have tried emailing Marlon and calling no response to either. He promised refund early in the new year. Still waiting. I bought from both Webpeggy and Buytopia. Anyone have advise to give?

Thanks
AZo replying to a comment from kiki / February 8, 2012 at 09:34 pm
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@ KIKI
I'm NOT GETTING ANY MEAT!!
Marlon stole 200 dollars from us, will not refund our money, will not sell us meat at cost and will not answer our calls.
You're a jacka** and you clearly work for them
Eric / February 10, 2012 at 12:24 pm
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Being democratic and reasonable with this situation clearly isn't an effective method. I plan on taking a million dollar shit on his floor in the near future.
Linda replying to a comment from kiki / February 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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@Kiki. What difference...deal/steal? Marlon was the one offering it!! No-one coercered the guy into offering this deal. This is on HIS head. Most of us are only hoping for our money back. which we're not getting either. You can't sell something and then back out, but not refund the money...which is EXACTLY what is happening here. Imagine if you bought something on sale, through Sears catalogue, and they didn't have it in stock. Wouldn't YOU be expecting a refund? Bet you wouldn't be "Sheesh"ing, THEN !!!
beaches / February 21, 2012 at 04:27 pm
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Sounds like Kiki, Ashlin and Marlon are one and the same ....

But like the rest of you I have spent $300.00 and cannot get refund or product from that thief. I will be following up with both Silverman and BBB.
I think that Marlon is countin on inaction due to the relatively small amounts. I have not been to the store as I cannot stand the sight of them!
Taken / February 21, 2012 at 09:11 pm
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Hi, I have a voucher from Buytopia. I called Marlon's last week and they said they aren't accepting vouchers anymore and for me to contact the company where I got it. I have and have had no response from them.
Alina / February 22, 2012 at 06:41 pm
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I spent $400 on coupons for Marlon's organic meat, and on top told all of my friends to buy the vouchers (most of my friends are angry with me, as they also got robbed). I feel like the $400 was taken out of my pocket, and my husband forbids me to buy any coupons or vouchers, as the so called "saving" turned into a loss for us. I honestly thought that I would provide my family with organic quality meat for the BBQ season, and instead I feel I was robbed. I have been emailing the company that sold me the vouchers, however no response. I have tried to redeem the vouchers, and again, nothing, the rules change each time, and I am just ignored with my emails.
Alina / February 22, 2012 at 06:43 pm
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I want to at least receive product for the $400 that I spent on the coupons (the coupons were advertised and sold as $99 for $400 worth of meat, and I am so stupid that I bout 4 coupons!!! ), I was cheated out of $400!!!
Andrew / February 23, 2012 at 10:57 am
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In the same boat as many of you here. Has anyone considered either small claims court, or even a class-action lawsuit?
Andrew / February 29, 2012 at 09:40 am
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While I agree with most of everyone's comments about kiki (she's probably a Marlon's Meat plant anyways), I did have a serious question wanting to know if anyone was planning any legal action?

I think if there's enough people interested in a class action lawsuit or some other tactic we may have better luck as a collective. Any thoughts?
kiki is marlon's bitch replying to a comment from Andrew / March 1, 2012 at 09:58 am
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Marlon's shiny new shop was built on the money that he stole from us. Either issue EVERYONE a refund or give us $400 worth of meat. This was the original deal that you agreed upon when you decided to offer it. No one put a gun to your head saying you had to do this. Have some integrity and own up to your offer. Don't just take our money, use it to renovate your store, and not give anything back. That is fucking evil. Andrew is right, we need to collectively bring this villain to justice.
kiki's daddy replying to a comment from kiki / March 2, 2012 at 10:27 am
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kiki- You just don't get it, do you? Let me break it down for you because you're way too defensive on behalf of this piece of shit, Marlon.

You give me $100 and I'll promise to give you back $400. Sounds awesome, huh? Well guess what, I'm not going to give you $400 and I'm not giving you back the original $100. Oh, and I'm going to use your $100 to do whatever I want with it.

Do you not see the wrong in this? why exactly are you defending this? what's your connection with Marlon? You've already claimed that, "Marlon hasn't disappeared, he's at the store everyday." How do you know he's at the store everyday? Do you work for this ass hole?
Lee Atkinson / March 2, 2012 at 10:43 am
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Has anyone received their $99 dollars back (or however much they paid) or honour the coupon. If he refuses to do either than I suggest that those people who have been told that he will do neither call the police. This is fraud and not just a civil matter.
A replying to a comment from Lee Atkinson / March 2, 2012 at 04:25 pm
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Lee,
I've been in touch with the police who say this is only a civil matter although I'm not entirely sure why. If it is only a civil matter, I was trying to find out if there was any interest in a class action suit.

I'd rather make a lawyer rich than Marlon.

kiki / March 3, 2012 at 08:08 pm
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In answer to all of the amazingly rude a**holes and the rest of you that try to keep a civil stance, I have no relation to Marlon, business or otherwise- I am simply someone who also got scammed by the same online "dealmakers" in my business. They promised a lot and made it seem soooo easy - in the end they scam you royally- I NEVER got the money THEY took from unsuspecting buyers on the internet- that's who ALL of you should be angry with. And please people, try to keep the conversations and the "names" civilized- it really degrades the subject and all you do is lose credibility in the long run.
kiki / March 3, 2012 at 08:10 pm
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P.S The reason I know he's still open is because I pass his store everyday on my way to work- not that it's any of your business anyway.
Stef replying to a comment from Andrew / March 5, 2012 at 01:20 pm
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Would love to launch a suit. Have small claims forms here, but really, together it's millions. We should band together. Anyone else in?
Ken replying to a comment from Andrew / March 5, 2012 at 01:27 pm
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I'm open for a class action lawsuit against Marlon. Contact me to get on board.
Ken replying to a comment from Ken / March 5, 2012 at 01:28 pm
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Contact: ken@primalplayground.tv
Greg / March 5, 2012 at 01:37 pm
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As of today the website is down. Can the store-closing be far behind? Meanwhile I'm out $110 - guess I'll go back to Dealfind to see what they can do.
L / March 5, 2012 at 04:20 pm
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I've been trying to get a refund from Webpiggy for ages, but they haven't responded to a single one of my emails. I'm not cheap, just like a good deal when I find one. This looked like a great chance to try some meat I wouldn't usually be able to afford.

Guess now I'm just out my money, which I definitely can't afford. First time I've tried one of these group buying sites - definitely the last!
Danielle / March 5, 2012 at 05:22 pm
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I bought a deal from dealfind for this, and after it was clear that Marlon was not going to deliver the good, I called dealfind and got my money back. I was a long time customer of Marlon, especially when his store was in Thornhill, but he screwed me so many times I decided not to shop at his store anymore. I know several people who were screwed by him as well, with his product AND he stiffed wholesalers I know for products he bought to sell at his store. After the last time he screwed me I decided I wouldn't shop at his place anymore. And thats when the dealfind came out, so stupidly, I bought 3, and got several friends to buy as well.
I should have known better. Such is life.
Of course he screwed me and everybody else.
I think mostly though, Marlon has screwed himself, as almost EVERYBODY thinks he is a total asshole and won't do business with him anymore.
I feel bad for everybody who lost money on this deal, but mostly, the blame falls squarely on Marlon's shoulders. To be honest, I am surprised he is still in business *at all*
beaches replying to a comment from Stef / March 6, 2012 at 05:07 pm
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thought you all would like to know. In December - when I thought that I was getting my $ in product. I bought a turkey from Marlon. When I called to order - they very specifically asked me to pay with cash! WHICH I DID NOT BTW. I suspect that Revenue Canada would like to hear this....
Amanda Ford / March 8, 2012 at 10:03 am
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I supplied Marlon with product last November and have yet to be paid. The website is down so I am assuming his business is closing or 're-opening' again. I will definitely contact the BBB and post what I find out.
Simon / March 8, 2012 at 02:00 pm
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I just emailed webpiggy to get my refund and they were very good about it all, I have been trying via twitter, email etc to get Marlon to man up and give me the deal I paid for but I just don't have the patience. I will be filing a BBB complaint about his store this afternoon. I can't believe honest citizens of Toronto financed this a$$hole's store renovation and nobody has put a frozen turkey through his window.
NOT AT FAULT / March 12, 2012 at 08:05 pm
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THIS ISSUE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MARLON'S MEAT.. THIS IS DEAL FINDS ISSUE SO WHOM EVER WANTS THERE REFUND THEY NEED TO TALK TO THE VOUCHER COMPANY. I HAVE A BUSINESS AND WENT THREW THE SAME THING!. SO IF YOU WANNA BLAME SOMEONE THAT'S NOT MARLON'S MEAT. YOU GUYS NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!. MARLON'S MEAT IS THE BEST ORGANIC MEAT STORE THAT I HAVE EVER BEEN TOO - THEY HAVE AMAZING PRODUCTS AND THEY HAVE EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE - I WOULD RECOMMEND EVERYBODY TO GO AND GET THEIR MEATS FROM MARLON'S. ITS WORTH THE $$.
Andrew replying to a comment from NOT AT FAULT / March 14, 2012 at 11:55 am
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How exactly is this not Marlon's fault? I have a coupon for meat that I paid for. In exchange for this coupon, Marlon promised to deliver meat. If Marlon is not giving me meat, how is this anyone's fault other than his?

I can't tell you how much I look forward to your answer as I am incredibly interested in your logic.
NOT AT FAULT replying to a comment from Andrew / March 14, 2012 at 12:08 pm
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I dont think you understand your own logic.. lets put it this way... If YOU dont know how these voucher companies work.. then keep your comments to yourself! I am not trying to be rude - but you dont know whats behind closed doors .. which means you dont know the concept of these situations for you to be saying negative things about someone and their Business.. Leave the owner and his business alone and let him run it without having to read negative comments.. DUDE! do you have a business?? Do you know whats invloved within having a business? Everybody needs to earn a living.. give people chances..
Sue MarlonPather / March 14, 2012 at 02:13 pm
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Good afternoon fellow fraud victims!

If you're interested in an attempt to recover some or all of the money you spent at The Butcher's Organic/Marlon's Meats, please email suemarlonpather@gmail.com.

I am not a lawyer. I am, however, betting that Mr. Pather and his accomplices have assumed that the individuals he defrauded will not be able to work together to pursue him. I'd really like to prove him wrong and I'm willing to administer a list of people interested in a class action. Once a reasonable number of people have indicated their willingness to participate in a class action civil suit, I will communicate our options via email. If we have an overwhelming response (fingers crossed) I intend to form a committee of interested individuals to manage the process.

Your information will NOT BE SHARED without your explicit permission and will be only be communicated to the lawyer that we ultimately engage to represent us.

Please note that harassment will not be tolerated and will be reported to the authorities.

Please provide
1. your name
2. a daytime telephone number
3. your email address
4. the terms of the deal you purchased

Looking forward to hearing from you! Please spread the word and don't hesitate to be in touch!

Best,
Steph
Andrew replying to a comment from NOT AT FAULT / March 14, 2012 at 03:09 pm
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I've given him a chance to give me the products he owes me contractually. Do you think a year is enough time? Do you think it's right that I'm out $300? Do you think it's a good business practice to go into this arrangement, pay for a renovation, and then be rude to your customers when you ask to exchange these coupons for meat?

I'm assuming by your comments that the answer is yes to all of these questions which is why I'm probably better off ignoring you.

Sign me up for the class action suit. I'll be sending Sue MarlonPather an email shortly.
Sue MarlonPather replying to a comment from Stef / March 14, 2012 at 03:53 pm
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hi Stef -
i'm in the process of gauging interest in a class action:
if you're interested in participating, please email me @
suemarlonpather@gmailcom

Best,
Steph
Slow Down and Think / March 15, 2012 at 06:09 pm
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People, while Marlon bears a ton of responsibility in this matter, we seem to ignoring the fact that the coupon companies also bear responsibility. A class action suit against an individual is absurd, unless the guy is filthy rich and hasn't separated his business interests from his personal interests (highly doubtful), however suing one or more of these coupon companies that are looking to be the next groupon makes a hell of a lot more sense. Has anyone been able to prove the money has made it's way from the coupon companies to Marlon? Maybe it has, I don't know, and if it has - the very least he should do is refund in full the amount we paid for the coupons - minus whatever the coupon companies took from it. There is a small chance the coupon companies have scammed Marlon as well and I think we should find out if that is true before we set out to crucify him.
RarePearl / March 16, 2012 at 11:52 am
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I am another victim of this whole fiasco. I had to pester and yell at them last year to get part of my order and had to hand over my voucher to cover the cost of that small and pitiful order of scraps they had at the time. They gave me a receipt with a credit for the remaining amount. I don't remember which site I bought the coupon from - TeamBuy or Groupon are my usuals - although I don't use any of them anymore really - Learned my lesson the hard way. Any advice on how I can go about getting a refund without knowing which deal I bought? Or maybe I should just forget it because after all karma is a you-know-what so Marlon and the coupon companies will get what's coming to them regardless of our success or failure in getting justice for wrongs against us........
Marla rosen replying to a comment from Ken / March 16, 2012 at 07:58 pm
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I would like to hear more about your class action suit. I have been trying for months to get meat from Marlon. He's brutal.
Marla
What did you expect? / March 16, 2012 at 09:05 pm
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If something sounds to good to be true it usually is. My brother and mom each got a coupon and went. They said the store was packed and was only allowed a hundred dollars at a time. Then when she told me the guy had changed the name of the store, the writing was on the wall. He was not going to be able to fulfill his obligations.

$100 for $400 worth of meat. (times 25000 coupons) And then he has to give the coupon company its cut.

I knew this story was not going to have a happy ending and I don't think a lot of other people did either.
Azumi replying to a comment from Another ticked off customer / March 22, 2012 at 02:03 pm
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I'm trying to place my order now.. and feel that this is just a stalling tactic. Here's to hoping.
it's now march, have you received your "maybe, possibly" refund ?

i just want $99 worth of meat.. at "normal" cost.. not jacked up cost.
me / March 24, 2012 at 09:34 am
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Why doesnt someone organise a Picket outside the store? Heck, with so many people loosing out to this wanker you could man the picket 24/7 - Go to facebook and recruit.
Cheez replying to a comment from Ken / March 24, 2012 at 07:57 pm
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I'm in for whatever legal anyone wants to pursue. I don't want my $400 worth of meat (frankly, that seemed too good to be true). I just want my $100 back. Or $100 worth of meat. Or, frankly, $100 worth of anything.
lionessone 28 / March 27, 2012 at 03:22 pm
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I am pissed ..he has even disconnected the phone to the shop .....I agree with Cheez that we should at least get our money back from buytopia etc
Voucher Companies Messed Up / March 29, 2012 at 01:14 pm
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ALthough I don't agree with how the voucher situation at Marlon's unravelled and he was absolutely irresponsible offereing so many vouchers, we need to be holding the voucher companies equally responsible. My transaction was with the voucher company. They're the ones taking our money and they have a professional responsibility to ensure that any deals they "sell" are viable. The voucher companies have demonstrated equal greed and we need to be just as angry with them.
Meatless in Toronto / March 29, 2012 at 02:52 pm
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I went to Marlon's Meats on Fri, Mar 23rd and yes, they were open, but no big sign out front. The employee, Nancy, did not let me use my two vouchers and danced around questions about the website & phone being out of service. She told me to get a refund from Buytopia. Buytopia has refused to give me a refund many times.

My concern is that Nancy said "Doesn't it expire soon?" so for all the people who were patiently waiting for Marlon's Meats to sort things out and honour the Sept 2012 extension... I think we will remain meatless. Here is what I have done and hopefully this process works:

- Complaint submitted to against Buytopia http://www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/en/Pages/Complaint_Steps_to_File.aspx
- Email sent to Minister of Consumer Services Margarett Best mbest.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org
- Email sent to MPP of Don Valley West where Marlon's Meats resides kwynne.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org
- Online letter submitted to Premier
Shannon / March 30, 2012 at 12:49 pm
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I feel like we're not going to get anything back from anyone. I filed with the BBB and he didn't respond to them. Here is the reply I received:

Complaint ID#: 1248611
Business Name: Marlon's Meat

Your BBB has made several attempts to contact the business regarding the above referenced complaint. We regret to inform you that we have not received a response from the company.

Your BBB develops and maintains Reliability Reports on companies in our service area. This information is available to the public and is frequently used by potential customers. In the case of your complaint, the company's failure to promptly give attention to the matter will be reflected in the report we give to consumers about them.

If the company has contacted you in the interim, please notify your BBB immediately.

May we suggest contacting:

Ministry of Consumer Services
1500 - 5775 Yonge St.
Toronto, ON M7A 2E5
www.ontario.ca/consumerservices
consumer@ontario.ca
416-326-8800
800-889-9768
www.ontario.ca/consumerservices
consumer@ontario.ca


So I'll be trying that, and also calling Buytopia - they told me last month they were in litigation with him, and would contact us soon...seems unlikely.
Rod / March 30, 2012 at 02:28 pm
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I believe that Buytopia (in my case) are ultimately responsible for this. After all, very few of us would pay $100 to a guy down the street, would we?

They shouldn't have promoted (let alone sold) the deal, if they didn't have enough confidence in that business. If they have a solid contract with the guy, they - and not us - can pursue their claim. Otherwise, they should underwrite it as a loss. Either way, we shouldn't be punished for their bad judgement, or for our confidence in their buisness.

Now the only responsible action is to refund the clients (if not with money, at least with credit). They can, later on, solve their problem with the Marlon guy and get a portion of their loss back from him.

That is the least of expectations a customer can have. Any other decision is a PR suicide for the company which I hope they avoid, since I fairly like them.
Also Meatless / April 2, 2012 at 12:47 pm
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I also got strung along by this deal, but luckily Webpiggy gave me a credit, which I understand not every deal company has been able to do. Ultimately, however, I am left with a very bad taste in my mouth (no pun intended), as a result of the behaviour of Marlon Panter and his staff, and the unwarranted poor treatment of the 'coupon holders'. I, too was subject to verbal abuse in his store, which was absolutely uncalled for, and made to feel like a third class citizen with no rights.
Yes, I got my credit, but The Butcher's should be held responsible for this fiasco.
No more coupons for me - if it's too good to be true, it probably is.
Meatless Tears / April 3, 2012 at 05:21 pm
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Has anyone had any success following up on their vouchers at all lately? They don't even seem to have a website up anymore. Their twitter account has gone to sleep. Any word at all? Anyone we can contact to try to get results? Or is this entirely a matter of emailing that class action suit person who commented earlier, at this point?
Ang / April 7, 2012 at 10:45 am
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I've been unsuccessful in gettying Buytopia to issue me a credit or fill the order, so I've gone to my credit card company and they're investigating...hopefully, they'll issue a credit on my account.
Sarah replying to a comment from Ashlin / April 7, 2012 at 11:11 am
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Yeah, I actually live in the area too and they are the best organic meat and poultry around. It sucks that a bunch of costco shoppers and wallmartians were dumb enough to think there wouldn't be a wait for a shop the size of a typical Lawrence Park store to fulfill orders (I heard it was 2 weeks), but it's nice to see Marlon's Meats doing well despite all the undeserved butthurt. Really, did they think they would be warehousing meat in boxes out in the back alleyway?!(kinda unsanitary, duh!).
Sean O'Shea / April 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm
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Hi, it's Sean O'Shea at Global TV news. I'm doing an update on this today...interested in talking to consumers who've recently tried to redeem vouchers. I will be outside the store with a crew today. Please let me know at 416 446 5467 if you're prepared to speak to me. Thanks,
Sean O'Shea/Consumer SOS Global TV News
Sue MarlonPather / April 9, 2012 at 04:49 pm
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Good afternoon fellow fraud victims!

If you're interested in an attempt to recover some or all of the money you spent at The Butcher's Organic/Marlon's Meats, please email suemarlonpather@gmail.com.

I am not a lawyer. I am, however, betting that Mr. Pather and his accomplices have assumed that the individuals he defrauded will not be able to work together to pursue him. I'd really like to prove him wrong and I'm willing to administer a list of people interested in a class action. Once a reasonable number of people have indicated their willingness to participate in a class action civil suit, I will communicate our options via email. If we have an overwhelming response (fingers crossed) I intend to form a committee of interested individuals to manage the process.

Your information will NOT BE SHARED without your explicit permission and will be only be communicated to the lawyer that we ultimately engage to represent us.

Please note that harassment will not be tolerated and will be reported to the authorities.

Please provide
1. your name
2. a daytime telephone number
3. your email address
4. the terms of the deal you purchased

Looking forward to hearing from you! Please spread the word and don't hesitate to be in touch!

Best,
Steph
Meatless Tears / April 10, 2012 at 03:38 pm
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I'm surprised there isn't more discussion still going on around this issue. I'm betting there are still loads of people with unredeemed coupons. Yet they've clearly attempted to hide from us and hope the problem goes away. It's not so convenient for me to make a trip down to the store, unless I am confident I'll get something from it and not just be yelled at, as some people suggest.

Anyway, nice Global TV spot. I hope their website and other avenues of communication do re-open, but for now it appears the law suit is the only option!
Disappointed / April 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm
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I have also had a hard time redeeming my WebPiggy Vouchers. I ended up calling the fraud department of my credit card to try and get my money back that way. I tried to get it through WebPiggy but they said that I have to get the Butchers to issue me my refund as they had already given out $80,000 worth of them to dissatisfied customers. This was 4-5 months ago. I only went to my credit card company once I knew for sure that the Butchers were giving me the run-around, but I have yet to hear back from my credit card company, I suppose we shall see. Learned my lesson about too-good-to-be-true. I found a much nicer family farmer anyway that supplies me my organic meat at a MUCH better price, so at least some good came of it :)
danielle replying to a comment from Sarah / April 12, 2012 at 03:41 pm
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Ah, the snobs of north Toronto. I'll lob one back at you dear. Your neighbourhood has all the sophistication and urbanity of the suburbs. With all the blond highlights and soccer moms populating that neck of the woods, you may as well be in Oakville.
Danielle the cow replying to a comment from danielle / April 13, 2012 at 01:49 pm
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Marlon is the best. Go back to Costco you cow!!!
Sarah replying to a comment from danielle / April 13, 2012 at 04:04 pm
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1. I would like it known that I am not "Danielle the cow" However, I do share their sentiment.

2. You know nothing of Lawrence Park. We are a community of landscapers, first responders, service workers, etc. etc.as well as office workers. We are multigenerational and multicultural. Most importantly, we are neighbours. As such, our local merchants are also part of our community and we view them as our neighbours not servants.

3.Come round after 9pm. The "ladies who lunch", the coffee daters, joggers in full make up, those shopping for just the 'right' cupcakes, etc. all seem to disappear around then. Do they go back to their condos or 905 after spending money here?....I don't know and I don't care. Well, wherever they come from; I do appreciate that they help keep my local economy strong:) Shame there aren't more actual neighbourhoods growing in other parts of the city though, people should care more about their neighbours and not getting the 'right' cupcakes if you ask me.
Fed Up With Marlon / April 16, 2012 at 12:30 am
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Consumers fight back. Go to his store and tell Marlon what you think. He will as, someone commented, treat you poorly - despite the fact that he has stolen your money.

However, voicing your frustration to the person who is the cause may make you feel a small sense of wronging a right - I know it did that for me. At this point, it may not only be about money - its about the principle of what's right.

To the person who thinks that Marlon is great, how would you feel if you paid at least $100 and someone stole it (from over at least 10,000 people); he then rebuilt his store with that stolen money and, then, despite over 6 months of patience, politeness and effort, no one would refund you. And I am from the neighbourhood.

Good luck / April 16, 2012 at 02:01 pm
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I am a wholesaler who is owed $7000.00 from the butchers / Marlon. I hate to tell people the truth cause it hurts sometimes but your money is gone, your vouchers are useless , lawsuits won't work. He will shut the place down go bankrupt. He will most likely lay low for a while and then re locate and re open with our money. This is very common in this and the restaurant industry . I'm not sure who's supplying him now but I hope they are getting paid cash. Unfortunately it's all protected in our laws. A company is it's own entity and has no affiliation with the owner. He is untouchable. My advice is that you live and learn, lick your wounds and move on. It will eat you up inside and will accomplish nothing. Tomorrow is another day.
Marlon / April 16, 2012 at 04:55 pm
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Due to some economical difficulties, I regret to announce I'm closing down my meat shop.
Sorry for the inconvenience, and please, send me an e-mail, so I can start a list, and I can inform you when I open my new business in a couple of months
Best regards, and have a great summer
Marlon
kiki replying to a comment from Marlon / April 16, 2012 at 04:59 pm
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Hiya Marlon
Thanks for keeping us informed, you're still the best.
We're gonna miss you, but we're hoping to see you soon, with a new shop... don't pay attention to these people, you're a decent man, and we admire you
AllenJ / April 16, 2012 at 07:29 pm
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This was a fraud perpetrated by Marlon and aided and abetted by Buytopia. I will start an anti Buytopia campaign if they don't honour the coupons. Anyone care to join? All we have to do is keep telling the story - the facts. I will make this as painful for these thieves as I can.
AllenJ replying to a comment from Marlon / April 16, 2012 at 07:31 pm
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What makes you think that anyone will ever touch a business owned by you again? You've proven to be a fraud. I'm out $200 to you.
Marlon replying to a comment from AllenJ / April 17, 2012 at 12:27 pm
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Thank you for your comments AllenJ, and unfortunately I tried my best to fulfill everybody's orders, but I was also misinformed about the effectivity of the coupons, hence the problem arised.
Right now I'm planning a trip to Europe, in order to get new suppliers, and will get back to you, all of my loyal customers with good news.
Please stop issuing legal actions against me, as this will not allowe me to leave the country, and I will not be able to get better suppliers and products for you from overseas.
Thanks for all your continued support, and I will expect to come back around October with good news.
kiki's a slut replying to a comment from kiki / April 17, 2012 at 01:06 pm
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kiki... shut up, please
you dont even know what you are talking about
marlon is kiki's sugar daddy replying to a comment from kiki / April 17, 2012 at 02:54 pm
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Kiki, do you honeslty think this guy is going away, and will come back to Canada to help us? Don't be naive. It sounds more to me like he's running away with our money.
IraB / April 17, 2012 at 03:04 pm
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I had purchased 2 vouchers from Dealfind about 1 1/2 years ago. I was fortunate that Dealfind gave me a full REFUND to my credit card. Sorry to hear that other companies have not been as forthcoming.
As for Marlon, you should have your passport revoked for your crimes committed and you have no right to leave this country with all of your customers' money. You are a dishonest, scum fraudster, but unfortunately for Canadians, we do not have sufficient laws to deal with crooks like you. If you had committed such crimes in the U.S., you would have been jailed ages ago where you belong.
Marlon replying to a comment from IraB / April 17, 2012 at 04:20 pm
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Thank you for your comments IraB, and unfortunately I tried my best to fulfill everybody's orders, but I was also misinformed about the effectivity of the coupons, hence the problem arised.
Right now I'm planning a trip to Europe, in order to get new suppliers, and will get back to you, all of my loyal customers with good news.
Thanks for all your continued support, and I will expect to come back around October with good news.
Frustrated / April 18, 2012 at 04:57 pm
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I spent $300 on vouchers, thinking about throwing a big BBQ party with my friends during the summer... what were the chances of this b.s. happening?
The only thing I wanna see cooking on the BBQ now is Marlon's head, stuffed with all the "excuses" (should I say "crap" instead?) he's been saying to his "customers" (should I say "victims" instead?)
Let's bring him down to justice... DO NOT LET HIM OUT OF THE COUNTRY
Bean / April 19, 2012 at 07:31 am
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Why Europe? Because no one will sell you meat here because you don't pay anyone and don't honour your agreements?

You aren't buying meat from Europe because it would be old and rotted by the time it got here and you aren't going to freeze fresh from the farm meat or pay three times the price to get it here, so enjoy your trip with our money! MORE LIES!!


Marlon replying to a comment from Bean / April 20, 2012 at 03:32 pm
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Thank you for your comments Bean, and unfortunately I tried my best to fulfill everybody's orders, but I was also misinformed about the effectivity of the coupons, hence the problem arised.
Right now I'm planning a trip to Europe, in order to get new suppliers, and will get back to you, all of my loyal customers with good news.
Thanks for all your continued support, and I will expect to come back around October with good news.
ripped off / April 20, 2012 at 03:33 pm
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marlon: drop dead
Marlon / April 20, 2012 at 03:35 pm
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Thank you for your comments ripped off, and unfortunately I tried my best to fulfill everybody's orders, but I was also misinformed about the effectivity of the coupons, hence the problem arised.
Right now I'm planning a trip to Europe, in order to get new suppliers, and will get back to you, all of my loyal customers with good news.
Thanks for all your continued support, and I will expect to come back around October with good news.
Bean / April 20, 2012 at 08:59 pm
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Marlon, please tell me how you are going to ship all that lovely fresh meat (which costs quite a bit more in Europe) All the way over to Canada AND keep it fresh AND sell it for less than $100/lb? Will you fly it over on a private jet? North Korean rocket? Carrier pigeon?

Please, please I would love to know how you are able to defy every law of economics?

The USA and Canada have the most and best variety and supply meats in the world and you have to go to Europe? I guess no one will sell to you any more?
behdad / April 21, 2012 at 11:34 am
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I'm as pissed off and ripped off as everyone else. I read about the fiasco last year and thought they would really come back clean after the "renovation". I decided that today's when I'm going to get some nice cuts of meat, so started researching them again just to find out what others had to say. Thought I check their website, it's nonexistent, so I called, number is not assigned!

Just return your vouchers for refund. Obviously this guy doesn't understand what a binding contract is.

This concerns thousands of people though I guess, so maybe there's something to be done about it...
Marlon replying to a comment from behdad / April 23, 2012 at 01:12 pm
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Thank you for your comments behdad, and unfortunately I tried my best to fulfill everybody's orders, but I was also misinformed about the effectivity of the coupons, hence the problem arised.
Right now I'm planning a trip to Europe, in order to get new suppliers, and will get back to you, all of my loyal customers with good news.
Thanks for all your continued support, and I will expect to come back around October with good news.
Barry replying to a comment from Marlon / April 23, 2012 at 02:41 pm
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Marlon,

Does your comment "Right now I'm planning a trip to Europe, in order to get new suppliers, and will get back to you, all of my loyal customers with good news" mean that you will be returning ready to fulfill the pending coupons?
I am grouped with all the others who are $100 in with no return as of yet. I have been patient, I have not complained, I am just standing-by hoping sometime in the near future this will be made good. Honestly, I would be happy with the coupon's value in meat, $100. That's all. How does that sound?
Marlon replying to a comment from Barry / April 24, 2012 at 09:40 am
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Thank you for your comments Barry, and unfortunately I tried my best to fulfill everybody's orders, but I was also misinformed about the effectivity of the coupons, hence the problem arised.
Right now I'm planning a trip to Europe, in order to get new suppliers, and will get back to you, all of my loyal customers with good news.
Thanks for all your continued support, and I will expect to come back around October with good news.
Unfortunately, the coupons will have expired by now and cannot be honoured anymore, but after the trip a new offer will be posted on some group deal sites, and you will have the opportunity to buy this new deal first as a way to compensate you for the coupon you won't be able to use.
Barry replying to a comment from Marlon / April 24, 2012 at 01:45 pm
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Marlon,

I do understand the expiration date has just passed a few days ago, however the fact that you were not fulfilling your obligations after the voucher was first offered (several weeks over the Easter holiday) and while you were closed for renovations means that you should extend the expiration date of the coupon by the length of time you were closed.
Also, since there are several hundred vouchers still pending in the city, and there is word of class action law suits against the handling of this situation, I would hope you would protect your customers and your name by making good on this situation.
I am sure you were given the option to cap the amount of vouchers available at the time, you did not and your customers bought into it. We paid our money, you were most likely paid as well so from what I can tell, not honoring your side of the deal is straight up theft.
Allowing $100 of product in trade means a minimal cost to you, paying back your customers and protecting your name, I seriously hope you consider this option.
confused replying to a comment from Marlon / April 25, 2012 at 02:04 pm
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How do we know who is telling the truth?, is it the Marlon who apologizes and is trying to clean his name by getting some new suppliers overseas, or is the one who is honestly quitting the business and showing he's not concerned about helping the customers?

One way or the other, they're both using our hard earned money to continue with their lives... what a couple of turds!
Laid off employee / April 26, 2012 at 02:18 pm
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Marlon! I'm still waiting patiently for you to pay me for the honest work i did for your business! I have college fees and bills to pay !! I can't even afford to pay attention!!! can I expect to be called back to work, since you shut the store again? As for contacting you through this website . I have tried calling emailing and everything under the sun, with no responses . Yet I still trust that you WILL NOT cheat me! Please be the stand up man I know and worked for in the past and pay me so I can afford to live .And you can get some good karma in return

you should know who I am by now ! I'll keep in touch marlon and know that I haven't forgotten and I only hope tou havent forgotten about me! I still have your back ! And I still wear my red butchers shirt with pride regardless of what chaos went down.

When asked, I only speak positive of Marlon Pather And his business !

Please contact me Marlon!!
Bean / April 27, 2012 at 12:38 pm
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Hey laid off employee... Call the Ministry of Labour and Revenue Canada ASAP. If you leave it too long they will ignore your claim. He probably didn't pay his source deductions and other taxes as well. Keep us all updated!

You know you aren't getting a cent...
Bean / April 29, 2012 at 07:38 am
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That's fine. Odds are he never paid your taxes for you, so if you don't go after him you can expect a nice fat bill for EI and CPP from the government in the next year or two once they audit him. They always go after the employee in the end.
Bean / April 29, 2012 at 10:50 pm
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I had a similar problem years ago when I was in university and the guy paid me what I thought was legally. When he got audited he gave up my info to revenue canada and it turned out he never paid my cpp and ei and they came after me for the amount PLUS a nice fine for about the same amount as he had closed down his business conveniently and they couldn't get anything out of him.
I know he was still operating under another name.

Just be careful, that's all. You were paid in cash I was paid by a personal cheque and I never even thought about it. They guy said he was deducting but he scammed us all along.
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