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Toronto BJJ

Posted by Staff / Posted on July 28, 2011

Toronto BJJToronto BJJ sits directly between Ossington and Bathurst at 813 Bloor Street West. The two storey blue and gold brick building opened its doors in 2006, and now instructs over 600 students. At 9000 square ft (3000 of which is pure mat space), it's the area's largest Jiu-Jitsu gym.

I had a difficult time reaching anyone through e-mail, but a phone call was answered by friendly staff. Trial lessons are by appointment only, and require at least 24 hours notice, so I booked an appointment for a BJJ Basics class.

Toronto BJJFor trial lessons, there's also Muay Thai or MMA (mixed martial arts), and women-only options exist for BJJ and Muay Thai. Once you sign up, submission wrestling and Judo become available.

The following Saturday, I arrive for my trial lesson and get handed a loaner gi (uniform). The friendly clerk gives me a tour.

Toronto BJJTournaments (and winning them) are common here, as evident by the trophies found in each room, Toronto BJJ recently won 7 medals at the 2011 IBJJF World Championships.

But competing isn't just for students: Head instructor Jorge Britto (a 2nd Degree BJJ Black Belt) is a World No-GI Masters Absolute champion, as well as 5x Rio State champion. Britto's teachers have included BJJ founder Helio Gracie, as well as Royler Gracie and Saulo Ribeiro.

Toronto BJJThe actual training area spans the entire second floor. Every inch is rubber coated, including the walls, and houses a caged corner for MMA training.

Class begins, the warm-up is just that: enough activity to get the blood flowing, but not so much that you're exhausted before class begins.

Toronto BJJBeing my first class, one of the senior students takes me and another prospective student aside, running us through some basic techniques. Rather than expect us to jump right in, we get one-on-one instruction. The guy teaching us has the tell-tale cauliflower ears of someone who has trained hard, and doesn't for a moment act like he'd rather be somewhere else.

Toronto BJJSomewhere in this, Jorge Britto runs over and tries a new technique on our teacher. Satisfied, he returns to the class, using what he just tried as a lesson for the rest of the class.

This tells me something: The school houses champions, and knows what works, but is still adapting and learning new skills at any moment.

Watching his students, Jorge sits and drinks coffee. But, far from being passive observer, he repeatedly comments on students' technique and jumps up to physically correct them, shifting a shoulder or changing a hold to make it more effective.

Toronto BJJAfter the class is over, I'm asked if I'd like to sign up for another. During my entire experience, I have never been hard-sold or pressured to sign up for anything beyond my trial.

My one gripe: no one will tell me class fees. Reception doesn't know, and the only way to find out is to book an appointment with staff. While they offer a 30 day free trial, as well as a 60 day money back guarantee, a little more transparency would be appreciated.

Toronto BJJWriting by Dan Cosgrove. Photos by Jesse Milns

Discussion

314 Comments

Shah / April 6, 2011 at 11:06 pm
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Love the gi patch being advertised. To bad Shogun and there top level instructor have left.
Josh / April 8, 2011 at 09:26 pm
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Shogun is still repping Toronto BJJ big time on his banner, it is true that he changed trainers, and so have we.

I second the nice logo on the white gi.
John / April 13, 2011 at 01:44 am
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So whats the new price of monthly membership? I understand the price has gone up over 50% (from $100-$120, so does that make membership around $180 a month? The one thing I loved about tbjj was their transparent membership prices... please provide the new price so I dont have to waste time visiting.
Cobra replying to a comment from John / May 16, 2011 at 05:22 pm
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I just was there for the 30 day trial.

They have a 239$ "membership fee" if you take their trial and don't sign up within the first week (they say it's a fee that's waved if you sign up in the first week).

If you sign up for 6 months, it's 849$... if your lucky they might throw in a free month.

Too expensive in my opinion :/
MT obsessed / May 17, 2011 at 09:30 am
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I joined this gym to try BJJ. Although, their classes were over crowded their instructor was very good.

But here's the bad part: I had to pay a large fee up front. I injured myself a couple of weeks in and had to take some time off. I tried to come in to talk to someone about suspending my membership while I recovered as a good gesture. I was told the only person I could talk to about this was JOSH RAPPORT. He was never in and when I tried emailing him he completely ignored me. I know this because I had friends email him about joining and he responded to those immediately.

In my mind this is a terrible way to do business. If you can't do it just be honest and say so.

That being said, I wonder how this blog developed this ranking system to begin with. Did they have a bidding war to determine who took what place? Sounds suspect to me.
Josh / May 17, 2011 at 05:12 pm
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MT obsessed your comment is very suspect.

For a couple years now the procedure has been to email ryan@torontobjj.com with any injury time or membership freezes.

It's never talk to Josh. So that is suprising. If you were misinformed please email ryan@torontobjj.com and he will be happy to take care of this.
MT obsessed / May 24, 2011 at 05:19 pm
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Say what you like Josh, but it's the truth.

Since this was over a couple of years ago I was not misinformed and it was "talk to Josh." I'm mentioning it now because I noticed this posting on blogto.com and thought it was something that readers should know and be aware of if they should choose this gym.

In the future handle all of your clients with care. If I had had my emails (notice the plural, I sent more than one) answered then I would never have posted this publicly.

Good luck to everyone on finding the right gym.
BIG JOHN / July 28, 2011 at 12:31 pm
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BlogTO: Stop deleting my post!

Asking if they have gay-only classes is a legitimate question--especially considering they have women-only classes.

Or, do you think that gays don't belong here?
Kowalski / July 28, 2011 at 02:27 pm
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Hey does anyone know what happened to Dida? He was the MT trainer at TBJJ, a friend of Shogun's, and a K-1 fighter. Last April he got shot in the head, just outside the gym, but miraculously didn't get hurt (bullet grazed the top of his skull). But he left (was fired from?) TBJJ shortly after. Just wondering if anyone heard what happened to him or if anyone was ever convicted in the shooting? And who's heading the MT program now?
agentsmith replying to a comment from Kowalski / July 28, 2011 at 05:45 pm
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My understanding is that Dida and his brother Mauricio both left Toronto BJJ after Dida was shot, but I'm not sure why. There was talk of them opening their own gym here in Toronto, but I don't think that ever got off the ground. Dida's now in California at Kings MMA with Rafael Cordeiro (former Chute Boxe coach), but I have no idea about Mauricio.
Kowalski replying to a comment from agentsmith / August 1, 2011 at 10:22 am
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Thanks for the update. Glad to hear he's training with Cordeiro. Hope Mauricio landed on his feet too...
Dave / August 4, 2011 at 10:10 pm
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I participated in the two free trial classes and I was hugely disappointed. They definitely have some top BJJ instructors but that means nothing to 95% of the students since you can never receive the attention you need due to large class sizes.

The striking program was decimated with the loss of Dida and Veio, and is an obvious afterthought after BJJ.

Dealing with the staff was difficult, there were some shady advertising tactics and the atmosphere was not as friendly as you would expect from a martial arts gym.

Lastly, it's run more like a traditional martial arts gym then a modern MMA gym.
Shocked / August 7, 2011 at 02:57 pm
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I've just read some of the posts left by some of you who claim that the tactics utilized by TBJJ are shady and whatnot. To claim something based on here say is purely ignorant, to claim that "gays don't belong here", are you seriously that idiotic? The atmosphere at TBJJ is one of a team and a family, gay or not. As far as the shady advertising tactics, from what I've seen they do nothing out of the ordinary that other gyms do. As far Mauricio Veio and Andre Dida, they were fired from my understanding, not exactly sure of the details, but I know that it was well deserved. The attention that Veio was showing to his students was not that of a good teacher. He was picking and choosing certain students and allowing them to grow while leaving all of the students who actually could have used his help, to flounder and fall off. Veio is an amazing instructor, for someone who is already versed in his style of muay thai, but for some reason what many of you either seem to forget or don't even know is that there is another Muay Thai teacher at TBJJ, who due to family responsibilities only teaches on Sunday. He is an excellent teacher, and many of the regular students only attend his classes because he takes such care with his instruction. As far as the payments go, grow up, if you really think of the amount of money you will be paying another gym, for inferior instruction, then go for it.
The simple fact is this, TBJJ is the top ranked competition Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school in Ontario, that is a simple proven fact, the Muay Thai program is young and will grow, so in the spirit of true martial artists, or someone that is trying to be a martial artist, which is what all of you are claiming to be, then don't knock a gym just because things don't agree with what you want.
Shocked / August 7, 2011 at 02:59 pm
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And one more thing, the striking program is an afterthought to Jiu Jitsu, hence the gym being called TORONTO BJJ!!! And the striking program was not decimated, it wasn't that great when Veio was there to begin with.
Josh / August 8, 2011 at 06:11 pm
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Muay Thai is far from an afterthought, we have renovated, doubled the training area, bought new bags, and more improvements are in the work. Since Veio is gone our numbers are actually up, and we have even had success in Muay Thai competition.

Dave clearly did his trial over 7 months ago and we have improoved a lot since then. In addition to the improvements listed above, we have reduced class sizes in BJJ, added more class times, and put more instructors on the floor per class.

As for not being "a modern MMA gym", hey we have helped prepare more than one fighter for UFC fighter for a title fight. If being traditional means not being a bunch of meatheads, making sure everyone feels welcome, and having our classes run smoothly, then hey that is us.
Dave / August 8, 2011 at 07:20 pm
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It was over 7 months ago, so congratulations if you recognized some of the shortcomings of your gym and have worked to fix them.

By modern MMA gym, I'm referring to gyms that have less of a divided approach to MMA. The traditional style is to break down components of the sport and train them in a divided fashion. An example of a modern MMA gym would be Tristar gym in Montreal, home of Georges St. Pierre.

I gave my honest experience, and now I'll give my honest recommendation. There are lots of MMA gyms in Toronto, and most offer free trials. Try visiting a few before you hand over your bank info. Ask lots of questions and find the right fit for you. Important details to ask about would be: class size, instructor qualifications, COST and TERM, current fighter activity. Toronto BJJ is not the only place to train MMA in Toronto, or even in the same neighborhood.

@Josh Where do your MT fighters compete? I Haven't seen any fighters on the local Toronto scene since I moved here. Could you link me some results?

Thanks,
Dave
Josh / August 8, 2011 at 10:46 pm
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We are always looking to improve. Every year we have gotten better, and that is why we engage in open dialogue in order to get better.

Most of the people who train at Toronto BJJ are not looking to be the next UFC superstar, they want to learn these awesome arts that we offer including MMA, get exercise, and have fun. We are here to help our members reach their goals, not the other way around.

On a side note, I do not wish to argue, but the guys at Tristar train or trained individual skill sets in isolation and then mix them together with Firas. Almost nobody with any great success started out by just training MMA.

Dave / August 8, 2011 at 10:53 pm
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If you don't wish to argue, then why did you continue to argue? I wouldn't waste my time trying to change your mind.

You can't say anything to change the experience I had at Toronto BJJ. So you can accept my feelings and continue to work hard at improving your gym. Maybe one day I'll want to spend upwards of $150 a month to train BJJ.
melissa / August 10, 2011 at 12:13 am
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FYI prices of martial arts gyms all around Toronto have gone WAY up in the last year and if you think you will find a GOOD one charging less then 200/month for unlimited classes good luck.
Dave / August 10, 2011 at 10:34 pm
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I don't think Toronto BJJ even charges 200 and they're on the expensive end.

I'm happy where I'm at with 85$ a month for unlimited classes at a downtown location.
Melissa / August 10, 2011 at 11:33 pm
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I thought of a club that may not have raised it's prices, I'm sure there are a few, but most clubs have raise their prices around that for new members.
Josh / August 14, 2011 at 07:29 pm
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The "unlimitd tag" is a bit tricky. Toronto BJJ offers a lot more instructed BJJ classes than everyone else. What counts as unlimited at another academy, is often less than half our schedule.



vitaly / September 11, 2011 at 11:41 pm
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Very good club, very good team. Excellent place to improve ground skills. I came with some knowledge, train less than two months and feel big difference , compared to my previous place.
Anyway - everyone should decide by himself what works for him.
Derek / November 30, 2011 at 12:50 pm
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Trained at TorontoBJJ 2 years ago for a few months. Overall I had a good experience, but I also had a few gripes with the place as well which, along with other priorities in my life, ultimately led to me not coming back.

Biggest one was overcrowded classes, and I'm glad to see they added in more classes to perhaps remedy this problem. Just didnt feel like everyone got equal treatment. There were even blatant cases of favouritism during training.

The staff too wasn't as approachable, like mentioned earlier.

Looking to start training again, this time I convinced a few friends to join me as well, but not entirely sure if I will go back to TorontoBJJ. Like I said, really happy to see that more classes were added but I was not pleased with the administrative side of things either and from the sounds of things (not just here but on other forums) things aren't much better on that end.
Josh / December 9, 2011 at 12:00 pm
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I hope that readers can see through some of these posts as not coming from a direct experience on the part of the poster. The most obvious example is Dave, but there are others.

On the positive side, every time we get a negative comment it causes us to investigate the claim to see if there may be any truth to it (even if the person posting has no idea). This keeps us on our toes, and helps us become more self aware. We will continue to strive to be the best we can be.
Joe / December 17, 2011 at 02:46 pm
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Toronto BJJ prices have sky rocketed over the last year. Heck you are probably better off getting a new car than paying the prices they charge you. Over the years their ego especially JOSH RAPPORT has grown because they win many BJJ competitions. The only reason why this gym is doing well is because Jorge Britto is the head instructor. This gym would be nothing special if it wasn't for Jorge. When joining any gym make sure they have a cancellation policy and a contract that is clear to both parties. I don't think TBJJ even has a cancellation policy. People are better off going to a gym closer to their home that have decent prices such as Salvosa BJJ, Team UMAC, Extreme Couture. These gyms are just examples that offer a wide range of programs for a better price. And their facility is much nicer than TBJJ. TBJJ will only be known as a jiu-jitsu team. Make sure that any gym you join it is an atmosphere you are comfortable with.
Joe / December 17, 2011 at 03:21 pm
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Another negative with this gym is JOSH RAPPORT shrewd and tricky business skills. He can be a nice guy, but with money and business he is a swine and he won't even give a refund. If you ever decide to join TBJJ, make sure you are on the same page as Josh and ask many questions. Remember most gyms are business first and martial art second. TBJJ has 30 day free trial and 60 day money back guarantee, but that only applies to new members not the old ones. So make sure you have a clear understanding on how THEIR policy works (if they even have one?)and finally be smart with how you approach them
Josh / December 25, 2011 at 06:06 pm
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Within a week of the Toronto Star article on our at risk youth program, "Joe" makes his comment.

I get it, Blog TO ranked us #1 so now everyone with something to gain by badmouthing us is coming on here.

We get rid of bad apples, and do not give in to unreasonable requests so I guess some get their payback on here and other forums.

That is another reason why our students love training at Toronto BJJ, we take a stand on principles, so that our students do not have to put up with the shady element.



Josh / December 25, 2011 at 06:09 pm
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I do agree with one thing posted by Joe. When you come in to Toronto BJJ be sure to ask questions before you sign up. We do a great job of providing clarity, but if something is unclear please ask.
Josh / December 26, 2011 at 01:54 pm
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A student made this for us unsolicited.

http://youtu.be/gIQssZpg1TE
PinscherJitz / January 26, 2012 at 04:23 pm
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Some of these comments are so clearly BS it is kind of sad. I initially signed up for 6 months after a few free classes. Over the six months I fell in love with the art of jiu jitsu and became completely amazed at how many dedicated, skilled and friendly people train at TBJJ.

Of course TBJJ is a business but every transition, every sweep, every submission you learn is earned with sweat (and a little blood... maybe.. haha). Every instructor in the gym takes what they do very seriously and prides themselves on the quality of instruction.

YES - if you are yacking away about the football game while rolling you will likely be told to shut up.

YES - if you don't make an effort to learn to count to 10 in Portuese after a reasonable amount of classes it will be pointed out to everyone.

YES - if you dont learn to tie your belt properly the same will likely happen.

YES – If you think you can stroll in late for class every time because you are a “paying customer” you won’t last long.

YES - they even make you do a warm-up that will likely make you feel nauseous at some point.

YES - you will be pushed to what you think is your limit then find out you have more - time and time again.

If any of this horrifies you or offends you it is my personal opinion that this place is not for you. Have some respect for what it means to practice martial arts.

Bottom line is: read reviews, then go in and find out for yourself. That’s what I did and when my 6 months were up I scheduled a meeting and re-signed for another 12 months.
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The Truth / January 30, 2012 at 12:33 pm
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This is my personal experiencewith toronto bjj.

Did the first free trail class and i loved it.

Then after the class some guy approched me and wanted to go over the how the 30 free trial worked.

IT IS NOT A FREE 30 DAY TRIAL

IT IS 2 BJJ classes and 2 muay thai classes a week for 4 weeks. At certain times. They advertise as if it was do as much as you want for 30 days.

First let down!

Then i wanted to do 3 afternoon muay thai classes a week every other day . They would only give me two and an evening. I could not do evening.

Second let down! (Mind you im the one that gonna pay them)

Then due to my schedule i miss the last week they call me up and ask if i am still interested i say yes how much is the unlimited training for a year? (I was willing to pay whatever didnt care because i wanted to learn)

They wont tell me, they want to meet in person.(Dumb sales tactic)

3rd and final let down!

I was willing to buy. I was so angry i did not even want to deal with them anymore. My first thought was these people are idiots. They leave money on the table.

This tells me that they cannot win on price. So it is probally really expensive(But at the time i didnt care)

They try and put you in a submissive state to get you to make a buying descision. (Probaly had some dumb consultant try and teach them sales and marketing.)

Moral of the story is honesty is the best policy.

And when someone asks a question over the phone answer it.

Looks like U of T athetic center is getting my money. Its a shame but soon they will have mma classes if they dont already.



Josh / January 31, 2012 at 02:13 pm
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I am glad you enjoyed the classes.

If you were serious about signing up you would have been willing to meet in person.

We were not dishonest with you. We are a martial arts academy and do not wish to be treated like a common commodity, we treat people with respect and expect the same.

It makes no sense to attempt to discuss membership options over the phone, as they can not be adequately explained in that format.



Stacker / February 13, 2012 at 07:08 pm
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Make no mistake. Withholding information is a pressure sales tactic, plain and simple. Anyone who tells you different is... well... selling something.
Most of us have been burned by health club sales pitches, incentives and contracts. Not being able to provide simple information immediately raises red flags.
That said, I know someone who trains there when he's in town and he has nothing but praise. Personally, I have no time for sales b.s.
I still believe in cash, I still believe in hand shakes and I'll keep holding out that there's people out there that feel the same way.
Calvin replying to a comment from Cobra / February 15, 2012 at 12:44 am
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This is the greatest gym ive ever been too. We recently had two students come on over from Toronto BJJ and they love it. Umac has Toronto BJJ, and a ton more. And for the price of 6 month there which is a rip off u can more less get for a year with more to do. Umac has some of the BEST trainers out there. All these other gyms just want your money and thats all UMAC is nothing like that. I tried Toronto BJJ but when they told me about the fee I was like NO THANKS. TEAM UMAC is the place u wanna be trust me u will not forget it and tell them if you should go that Calvin sent u.
Calvin replying to a comment from Calvin / February 15, 2012 at 12:47 am
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Ive been a member of TEAM UMAC for a year now and im telling you its the greatest gym ive ever been too. Ive been to several different gyms with crazy prices and HIDDEN FEE Team Umac has none of that and is up front honest, u get what you are paying for no bullshit. If u want a Great experience then Team UMAC is the place to be
Lmao / May 29, 2012 at 10:46 am
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You can not discuss membership options on the phone adequately? Wow. I never knew membership pricing was so complex. Most gyms are able to find a way to do so. How much more complicated can your pricing structure be in comparison to most other gyms?

For the majority of potential students, training is one option that they can spend their free time and disposable income on. Like it or not, to the average potential customer, the service you offer is a "common commodity".
eager to learn / June 14, 2012 at 11:37 am
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I have been training here for the past 2 weeks.
This is my first time training martial arts. I cannot speak for other posters but heres what I can say

Pros:
(1) Friendly instructors - always eager to help with a smile
(2) seniors are friendly and teach you during rolls make u feel welcome
(3) Great facility
(4) Excellent warm ups - I managed to get instructors attention despite class size. Sometimes they even took me to a side and explained things. No discrminiation for trial members or regular members - i certainly didnt feel that way.
(5) Wide , schedule of classes.

Cons:
(1) Price (I understand its a skill - I feel martial arts is like a university course - the price is what it is but still it was very expensive)
(2) No transparency in pricing (meeting in person to discuss membership is fine - but they didnt even give me a copy of what they showed me - the 3 options)
(3) I met with Luke , great guy, explained his history at BJJ, looked geniunely interested in what i wanted to achieve but his sales push turned me off. He said unless I signed up right away (which I would have if i have enough money in the bank) I would have to pay a registration fee. And that If I wanted to wait till friday (2 days away - 15th june 2012) that all the extra lessons, bonues features like free Gi might be taken away. This left a bad taste. I mean its not unreasonable to want a couple days to think. $970 for 7 months is what they said. The sales push is what turned me off. I hate being pushed and I work in sales so I recognised every tactic :).

Overall great club -
Just wish a little more transparency would do a great deal more to this awesome place. Martial arts is an honorable skill to learn - Please dont make your club like good life fitness or extreme fitness by focussing too much on the sales tactics.
eager to learn / June 14, 2012 at 02:50 pm
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The happiest i am is when I am at toronto BJJ.
I ll reccommend the club to all.
Atropa / June 27, 2012 at 10:56 pm
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Joined Toronto BJJ six months ago and am very pleased. The gym is friendly and very welcoming to ladies, who are made to feel respected and comfortable. The ladies instructor provides clear and effective instruction, and is always patient and positive. I've lost over 5 inches since joining, and find the program has helped me manage my stress.
Richard / July 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm
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What a terrible place to train for a beginner. I made a attempt to go here 3 years ago. Did the initial introductory then signed up. My first class they tried to get me doing running rolls and such. Way out of my capabilities at that time. I never returned as I was not impressed at all. Recently I wanted to give it another shot. I went in for my scheduled appointment and ended up just joining a class. The guy I had my appointment with just tried to sell me some garbage pyramid supplements, I take real supps I asure you this was just a money making scham. He was supposed to call me and set up a appointment to return on the Thursday and help me adjust to the rolls and back rolls but never bothered to call. This is one hell of a lousy place and I will never give it another chance.
Greg / July 7, 2012 at 11:06 am
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Toronto BJJ is definitely the best place in toronto to learn BJJ. Best instructors, who are incredibly well qualified and experienced in competition. The mat space is great, they offer privates.

The price is higher than some places, but the quality of instruction is what separates them, the techniques, the pointers, the drills, and the sparring partners and facilities are why they charge so much. You are getting world class training if you want it.

they say they try to cater to everyone and I feel they do try, but this is a school that will make you WORK. dont expect to come here and do a roll break a sweat and go home. this is an old school brazilian style jiu jitsu gym and you will work hard.
KC / July 20, 2012 at 07:08 pm
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Top coaches, teammates are friendly and easy-going and people are there to work hard and learn. I have honestly met some of the best people training at Toronto BJJ. By best, I mean genuinely good people. People don't care what colour or gender you are or what your background, martial arts or otherwise is.

And for the fellow who says the school is unwelcoming to beginners, try it out for a month and tell me at the end of the month if you feel it's unwelcoming. The level of coaching and feedback you get from the team is amazing.

All of the coaches are really high quality and I know whenever I train with anyone of them I'm going to sweat, have fun and learn.

For those people that complain about the price, let me put it to you this way: you aren't going to get top-notch clothing at a discount store. Conversely for BJJ: the gym is in a great subway-accessible location, with the best hours in the city to train. What other gym offers early morning classes with top-level brown belts, for instance?

Look at the most recent Ontario tournaments and you will see Toronto BJJ competitors winning a large portion of the trophies. That alone should tell you something.
Ron / July 25, 2012 at 04:29 pm
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Just reading all these negative comments, I'm not even going to look into Toronto BJJ. Honesty, transparency (everything), and a good atmosphere are the most important things in any community (I consider a martial arts gym a community, obviously). This place seems to be dodgy on all of the above.

So, if an employee/manager/owner of Toronto BJJ reads this - bad internet reviews will kill your business. Might not have in 2002, but it will in 2012. I'm also conscious of ppl venting if they've had a bad experience, and I don't let such things factor into my decision, but reading all the above statements I was able to sift through and draw (what I think to be) an accurate conclusion.

I would have been like Fry on Futurama "Shut up and take my money" had these reviews/comments carried a different tone. Let this be a lesson Toronto BJJ, you've lost a potential customer before he even stepped foot in the gym! Also, the spelling and grammar mistakes on your website don't help - makes you look unprofessional.

Gosh, I love technology.
LOL / October 20, 2012 at 12:56 pm
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Funny that all these negative comments have done nothing to affect the gym. Still standing, growing strong and despite all of the comments about pricing and lack of attention in classes, more members sign up everyday.

Nothing else needs to be said.
3rdHOOK / October 25, 2012 at 01:41 pm
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everybody knows TBJJ is the spot if you want to be part of the best sports BJJ program in Canada.
Disappointed / November 2, 2012 at 10:55 am
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They lost me as a customer. I have experience training at a few gyms and this place was by far the worst. Reasons for this include lack of transparency in pricing on all levels, their 'holier than thou' mentality, willingness to unjustly trashtalk other people & schools in the BJJ community. I myself was indifferent to TBJJ a few years ago until I actually went to train there. Yes, you can go there and you will learn BJJ, but take it from an objective person with experience in different schools...There are much better places out there where you will have more fun, be treated better and learn faster. Anything to the contrary is conjecture. Nothing more.
Disappointed / November 2, 2012 at 10:55 am
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They lost me as a customer. I have experience training at a few gyms and this place was by far the worst. Reasons for this include lack of transparency in pricing on all levels, their 'holier than thou' mentality, willingness to unjustly trashtalk other people & schools in the BJJ community. I myself was indifferent to TBJJ a few years ago until I actually went to train there. Yes, you can go there and you will learn BJJ, but take it from an objective person with experience in different schools...There are much better places out there where you will have more fun, be treated better and learn faster. Anything to the contrary is conjecture. Nothing more.
I have been to TBJJ / November 20, 2012 at 02:29 am
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I have been to TBJJ a couple of years ago when it was a great place to learn martials arts. Now it is only good to learn the martial art called BJJ. They used to have weights there, an MMA cage, and a boxing ring. Now all that is gone and they only have one or two boxing bags and a floor strictly dedicated to BJJ. Their main Muay Thai teacher has probably only one or two fights if any, their MMA coach has one or two MMA fights, probably all amateur. But their BJJ is high level. I left the city for a year and when I came back I was told the price now is like $400 a month for unlimited access. I would rather hire a professional MMA fighter for a body guard.. LOL. Bottom line is, before I left the gym a couple years ago, and when I came back this year to sign up again, the gym has changed, for the worse. Their top MT trainers, Mauricio and Dida left, their ring and MMA cage is gone and their prices went through the roof. But their BJJ still remains top level. I actually heard Mauricio and Dida opened up their own gym at Landsdowne/Bloor. I will soon go try their free classes. $400 a month to learn only jits is a rip off.
Ronin replying to a comment from Shah / November 24, 2012 at 04:46 am
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Shogun is not representing TBJJ anymore. Actually right now as we speak, Mauricio and Dida for a month are in Curitiba, Brazil training Shogun for his next fight in the UFC. Maurico and Dida have their own gym now on Bloor Street. This is the website: http://www.evolucaothai.com/ They got a top BJJ intructor there that they flew in from the jungles of Brazil "Fernando Vieira" who is I believe a higher degree black belt than Jorge Britto and has a better MMA record than him. Of course the Muay Thai is taught by world class Muay Thai/MMA instructors Mauricio and Dida, plus they got Olympic wrestler Ainsley there teaching wrestling. Plus a whole ton of MMA fighters train out of there. Also their prices are actually even cheaper than TBJJ's and the BJJ class sizes are smaller, so you get more one on one with the world famous professor.
Mike / December 3, 2012 at 11:15 pm
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Just to point out, a higher degree black belt does not mean much in BJJ. All it points out is how long you have been a black belt. Degree's on a black belt are not based on any level of skill. Sometimes guys do not see an instructor for a long time to get a promotion and there is some guys that use a different system to promote degree's on a blackbelt. Pointing out that Vieira is 3rd degree and Britto is only 2nd degree - is really pointless and says nothing about actual skill (and I am not saying anything about skill either).
Josh / December 7, 2012 at 01:13 pm
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I hope people read thru the negative comments, and understand some new gyms opened up and they and their most staunch supporters think the way to do this is to say bad things about the top school.

These rankings are the only time I am aware of that a third party has gone in and checked out the academies in Toronto, and reported the findings. The ranking given to us is a reflection of that.
Josh / December 7, 2012 at 01:16 pm
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As for the top instructor no objective 3rd party with expert knowledge of BJJ would be able to look at the academies and the students and not place Jorge Britto way higher than any instructor from another local school.
Josh / December 7, 2012 at 01:17 pm
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That is not to say that Jorge Britto is the best instructor for everyone, only to point out that when you do a fair comparison there is no comparison.
Josh / December 7, 2012 at 01:20 pm
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For those who do are reading this and do not know what to think Gracie Mag is your friends for articles about Toronto BJJ.

www.IBJJF.org is where you can go to see our results for the Toronto and Montreal Opens, as well as world championship results but note that we often represtn Ribeiro Jiu-Jitsu in these competitions.
Josh / December 7, 2012 at 01:21 pm
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Competiiton is not the only barometer of the quality of an academy, but it is one of the most objective.
Josh / December 7, 2012 at 01:23 pm
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As for the MMA comments, although we re one of the few schools in Toronto to have student competing in the UFC, and a head instructor with over 20 pro fights, it is true that from the competitive side we are not the spot for pro MMA training.
BJJ or BS / December 9, 2012 at 10:54 pm
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The only reason that the pricing is kept so secret is because it is really expensive and this Josh character seems more like a con artist than a martial artist.

There used to be a sense of honor among martial artists but it seems like, in North America anyway, that has deteriorated. In BJJ in Canada alone you can see the lack of moral fibre at the highest levels. Toronto BJJ has had several instructor sent to prison or deported because of illegal behaviour including former wrestling coach Ainsley Robinson who got busted in a coke ring.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/02/26/8536846-sun.html

They also had one of their instructors shot in the head right outside of the academy.

http://www.mmafighting.net/forum/showthread.php?37190-Andre-Dida-Shot-in-Head-in-Canada

Meccha MMA owner and BJJ black belt Mark Stables is being deported for being a high- ranking member of the Hells Angels.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/21/court-refuses-to-stay-former-hells-angels-members-deportation

On the East Coast, Titans MMA owner Rob Walker is being charged with drug trafficking.

http://topmmanews.com/2012/06/29/titan-mmas-rob-walker-charged-with-drug-trafficking/

It seems that the Eastern tradition of honor and budo are not being strongly accepted by Western practitioners. Or maybe martial arts academies are just magnates for bad seeds.

Speaking from experience, I've learned that you have to be very cautious when dealing with martial arts schools. They try to come across as respectable and friendly but secretly they are extremely manipulative.
Josh / December 10, 2012 at 09:22 am
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For Muay Thia there are schools whose programs are more developed than ours. We are a great place for beginners to learn kickboxing and get great excerse.
Josh replying to a comment from BJJ or BS / December 12, 2012 at 03:08 am
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Wow. My guess is that you are shilling for another "competting" business.

As one can see from reading the links you posted none of this truly has anything to do with my academy.

This is slander plain and simple.




Josh replying to a comment from Josh / December 12, 2012 at 03:11 am
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My guessis you have posted under a few different names on this thread.
Josh / December 12, 2012 at 03:33 am
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For an accurate picture of how Toronto BJJ is check out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKKi92QD8kI&;feature=share
BJJ or BS / December 12, 2012 at 11:04 am
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Hey Josh, if you actually read my post you would see that I criticized martial arts academies in general, yours included. If I owned a competing business then why would I criticize the entire industry?

How about you tell the truth and admit that Ainsley Robinson got busted for dealing coke and Andre "Dida" Amade got shot in the head both while they were employed as instructors at Toronto BJJ. Dida was actually shot while parked in a car right in front of the academy.

In my previous post I cited two other criminals involved in other high level martial arts academies in Canada. My point is that the entire industry is filled with sketchy instructors and owners. I've never met you personally but judging from the comments on this page, you certainly come off as being among the sketchy ones.

I would encourage anyone who wants to join any martial arts academy to be extremely careful. They are not pillars of integrity and they are not above using high pressure sales tactics to lock you into bad contracts.

Not only that but I've personally seen several instructors in different academies down right beat up on novice students.

The point I'm trying to make is for people to proceed with caution because these places tend to attract a higher than normal amount of unsavory people. It's a shame that Martial Arts in this country have deteriorated to such a low moral standard but it's true.
Josh replying to a comment from BJJ or BS / December 13, 2012 at 05:13 pm
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BJJ or BS, the way you wrote your labelled people like Mark Stables as being a part of my academy (see your use of the word deported). After that lumping in other actors gives them all the appearance of being related when they are not.

Josh replying to a comment from BJJ or BS / December 13, 2012 at 05:18 pm
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BJJ or BS I am honest lets talk about it.

Ainsley did not deal drugs, his court transcripts speak for themselves on that matter. All of his involvement was in a jurisdiction outside of Toronto, and secretive, which is why I did not know about it.

Ainsley is not anyway associatd with us and is now with Evolucao.
Josh replying to a comment from BJJ or BS / December 13, 2012 at 05:31 pm
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Andre "Dida" Amado was a sponsored athlete at the time of the shooting in a parking lot across the street from the academy in 2010. Dida's head was grazed.

You are taking a situation where someone was by all accounts a bystander, and not the intended target (ie the man from BC).

You appear to get all your facts from the internet so you must know that he was dismissed from the academy immediately following the incident. Yet you use this against my academy.
Josh replying to a comment from BJJ or BS / December 13, 2012 at 05:35 pm
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Lets theorize that the Amado brothers relationship with the man with the BC license plate is unsavory. It was not clear before the events of Wednesday October 20th 2010.

So why target the one academy that said it was unacceptable, instead of the others who let the Amado brothers in after it became clear that they may hang out with the wrong crowd?
Josh replying to a comment from BJJ or BS / December 13, 2012 at 05:36 pm
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What's next are you going to go after our award winning program working with At Risk Youth.

Seriously.
Josh replying to a comment from BJJ or BS / December 13, 2012 at 05:45 pm
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BJJ or BS, you claimed to base your opinions based on the posts here. That is BS. So basically one day someone could base their opinion of me on your opinion which is based on ...

Josh replying to a comment from BJJ or BS / December 13, 2012 at 05:46 pm
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If you were honest you would just admit to being in the wrong and apologize.
Bjj or BS / December 13, 2012 at 10:22 pm
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Dude, you just admitted that you have a history of employing instructors with unsavoury backgrounds. So no I'm not wrong. In one post you describe Dida Amado as an innocent bystander and then in the next post you make a veiled claim that the shooting made it clear to you that the Amado brothers were too shady to teach at your academy. Please get your story straight.

Getting busted in a drug ring and getting shot in the head are extremely unlikely to happen to upstanding citizens. Both of these things happened to instructors employed at your academy. If you need an arrest and a bullet to the head to realize that some of your employees are shady, then you must be the most naive Brown Belt north of Curritba.

Dida wasn't just a sponsored athlete, he taught Mauy Thai at Toronto BJJ. Several of my friends took his classes. Your attempt to distort language here is pretty weak.

I made it clear that it wasn't just your Academy that was unsavoury. I identified Mark Stables as the owner of Mecha MMA.

I've heard second hand that several of your instructors have been arrested and that one of them was deported to Ireland. Because it was second hand information that I couldn't verify with a web link, I didn't bring it up. But I'm sure that you're response will be to deny, deny, deny just like you did (pretty lamely by the way) in response to Ainsley's arrest and Dida's shooting.

As I said before, it's not just your academy. A lot of martial arts schools are havens for thugs, it just comes with the territory these days.

However, shady instructors along with shady pricing, that's going overboard. The least you could do is show some clarity in your pricing. A couple of years ago you used to have your rates proudly listed on your website. That was good. Now, I can't get anyone to tell me rates
without waiting a month and then booking an appointment with some smarmy sales guy. That's bad.

I realize that you'll never admit to anything because you've got no integrity so again I urge anyone who is thinking about joining any martial arts school to please be careful. Ask around and be careful.
mataleon / December 14, 2012 at 11:34 am
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Toronto BJJ refused to tell me the prices, even when I was sitting in their office.

I was brought up to the top level of the building and into a office where they closed the door. The sales rep became slightly belligerent with me because I asked about the membership prices three times. "LOOK, as I have already told you, I don't know what the prices are," he told me. This leads me to belive the sales staff are either underqualified (Dont know the price of the service you are selling? i dont believe that.) OR are engaged in some questionable sales tactics (judging by this thread and others, that is what's going on here). I only asked the guy for the prices three times because he gave me the run-around the first couple times. When I ask a question, I want an answer, not a song and a dance. Don't insult my intelligence by answering questions with long and diluted responses and get upset when you get called on it.

Train somewhere else. This place has serious issues with their pricing. The tone at the top of TBJJ is one that preaches respect and hard-work but it seems that their actions heavily contradict this. Other schools are a lot more up front and will treat you with the respect that any paying customer deserves. Josh has a bad rep in the BJJ community too based on everyone I've talked to. BUYER BEWARE YOUVE BEEN WARNED.
Josh / December 14, 2012 at 02:44 pm
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BJJ or BS no veiled claim was made, the word theorize was used, you are the one trying to cast them in an unsavory light.

I am just pointing out IF what you said is true then, our actions are consistent with not tolerating that kind of stuff.

I am pointing out that Dida was not an instructor at the time of the incident because that is a fact.

It is ridiculous to say that a victim of a crime is some how guilty of something or it would not have happneed to them. Would that be your stance on rape too?

Please note that both Dida and his brother passed criminal background checks to get into Canada as did John Sheil.
Josh / December 14, 2012 at 02:56 pm
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BJJ or BS I have directly adressed what you are saying.

With regards to Ainsley, he was an instrdcutor, he did get arrested, I don't deny it. My point is that his activities had nothing to do with the club, and occurred far away from it. We had no knoweldge of his activities, as everything was kept out of view far away form us.

Everyone else passed criminal background checks prior to instructing at the academy. Out of those only John Sheil ended up in trouble with the law, and only after he was no longer working atthe academy.

So in the end you only have two examples Ainsley and John. But you try to make it sound like it is rampant ath the academy.
Josh / December 14, 2012 at 03:43 pm
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As for our policies. It is real simple. We only discuss pricing with people who go thru the process of making an appointment to try a no strings attached 30 Day Free Trial, and take at least one intro class.

Occasionally we get people coming in without appointments. And they insist on discussing pricing, and are rude. In those situations staff may take them aside and explain to them how things work. If that staff member does not know the pricing, then they will also point that out. sounds like Mataleon was one of those.
Josh / December 14, 2012 at 04:02 pm
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As for how people at other academies may feel about me. Excluding those who are or are associated with former employees or Mark Stables, its been pretty positive. I recognize I just described a fair amount of people.

I make no appolgies for running programs for At Risk Youth, having great instructors, tons of happy members, and the most successful BJJ competition team in the country.

Josh / December 14, 2012 at 04:05 pm
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As for the academies that publish their prices, they are not offering the same quality we do. The best reason to go to them is what you will pay. The best reason to go to us is what you will receive in return for waht you pay.

Josh / December 14, 2012 at 04:16 pm
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Most of the negative comments on here, reflect the danger of social media when people do not have to put their name to it. The reason I have chosen to respond, even though it can not help me financially to do so, is because I care about having an accurate picture available to the public.

Unfortunately, in this day and age it is easy to mistake people's uneducated statements for evidence of something being true.

Josh / December 14, 2012 at 04:37 pm
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Toronto BJJ is culturally different from most other places claimingto offer the same arts.

We do not pay lip service to discipline and structure.

A lot of places claim to be the best but we back it up with tangible results.

We do not pay lip serivice to community service, and run free programs for At Risk Youth, and provide mentorship. We also raise food doantions for the Daily Bread Food Bank, over 500KG at our Annual event this year.

We claim to be a team and a family and back it up, by helping our teamates when in need whether its a place to stay, or a full on fundraiser for medical treatments not covered by OHIP.

We believe Jiu-Jitsu is for everyone and have Women's classes and Aaron Broverman to proove it.

We beleive martial arts can help not only with fitness and self defense, but also personal improvement and even transformation. And we have tons of members who are living proof. Thomas Beach and Kerry Marine just to name a couple.

Integrity does not come from what people say about you it comes form what you do. At Toronto BJJ we get it done.






Josh / December 14, 2012 at 04:39 pm
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Personal attacks are what people do when they do not have a good argument.
Bjj or BS / December 14, 2012 at 08:30 pm
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Josh,
In one post you defend Ainsley by saying that the court records show that he wasn't dealing drugs. Then in another post you claim that his "activities" happened away from the gym where you couldn't see. Can you settle on a story please.

And by the way, a simple google search shows that in 2005 he was thrown off the Canadian olympic wrestling team after testing positive for cocaine. Even the simplest background check would have shown this. Either you're incompetent for not knowing this or you knew about it and figured it was still a good idea to hire a guy who threw away an olympic spot because he couldn't stop snorting coke. Seems like a high character guy to me.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2005/11/25/cocaine_wrestler051125.html

You also claim that John Sheil got in trouble with the law "after he was no longer working at the academy." That's funny because I asked around and one of my friends remembers the day John got arrested because the Muay Thai class that day had no instructor because John got arrest the night before. A couple of the students had to teach the class in his place. You are blatantly lying here.

As for the shooting. I dug a little further and noticed that you failed to mention that the shooters were members of Toronto BJJ, see link:

http://gleanernews.ca/index.php/2010/11/23/shootings-shock-community-police-say-recent-violence-mostly-targeted/#.UMu6QZPjkR8

So lets piece this together because I'm confused:

1. The shooters were members of Toronto BJJ.
2. One of the "victims" was an instructor/sponsored fighter of Toronto BJJ.
3. The shooting occurred right across the street from Toronto BJJ.

Well it seems pretty clear to me that this incident had absolutely nothing to do with Toronto BJJ. Nothing at all. There's like no connection what so ever.

In conclusion:
You're waffling on the whole Ainsley situation. Also, I asked around and found out that he liked to beat up on students.

You lied about John Sheil. He was employed at Toronto BJJ when he got arrested. And funnily enough I was told that he also liked to beat up on students.

You claimed that the shooting had nothing to do with your academy. I'm going to let people decide for themselves on that one...

All of the explanations that you give for having a secretive pricing policy are bullshit. You are using a sale tactic to try to build the commitment level of the buyer over the course of a month and then when when the price is finally revealed, they have to have an uncomfortable meeting with a sales guy who is using social pressure to close the deal. He tells them that he can give them a discount but only if they sign up right now. Your price policy is a sales tactic. To give any other explanation is complete bullshit and you know it.

In this comment section, you've told some outright lies, told some half truths, intentionally left out some important facts, and propped up your at risk program like some shield that protects you against any and all immoral and unsavoury activity that is associated with your academy.

To be honest I'm not that mad about the criminal activities because I've found that a lot of academies have sketchy instructors and students. It comes with the territory these days. I'm pissed off at your shady attitude. The whole world is filled with con artists/used car salesmen/politicians who even when they're telling the truth are still kind of lying. Either by leaving out information or twisting language around. But, you are supposed to be a Martial Artist. You're supposed to be above that bullshit. You're supposed to be someone with integrity. Someone who tells the whole truth and has high moral fibre. You are none of these things. You're just a used car salesman with a brown belt.

How's that for a good argument.

Josh / December 14, 2012 at 09:49 pm
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Lying about facts is not a good argument. So to answer your last question, no you have a poor argument.

Your friends are mistaken. I am Pretty sure Eman and Kris were handling the Thai classes when John was arrested. Your friends have foggy memories.

But lets go to your intentional lie omn point #1. Please read the internet articles you site.

Point #1 There was one shooter and the shooter did not come from Toronto BJJ.

Point#2 Correct at the time he was not an instructor and was preparing for a K-1 fight.

Point#3 Correct.

This incident had to do with an individual who happened to train with us at the time beign a target. Dida was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

As for Ainsley he was not a drug user to anyones knowledge even the science on his positive test indicated it was due to exposure through handling not injection or ingestion.

Josh / December 14, 2012 at 10:43 pm
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BJJ or BS you appear blinded by the need to be right.

You have a need to be able categorize me as shady or dishonest. Because you went in with a preconceived notion, and now you need to hold on to it.

I am not trying to insult your intelligence, but logic dictates that the truth in these matters are a yes or no proposition, was Dida an instructor on October 20th 201O? No. That is 100% true. It is not misleading. it is not a half truth.

Truth is a yes or no proposition.

I answered the questions truthfully based on my knowledge and recollection.

The At Risk youth program shows that we try to help people, even those who need a second or third chance. You would probably say that the youth are unsavory because some have been involved in streetlife and all that it entails. But you would not recognize others because of the changes and transformation.

Martial arts academies are not God, we do not get to prejudge people before they do something wrong. We can only work from there.



Josh / December 14, 2012 at 11:46 pm
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In the 2010 incident BJJ or BS brought up, I was faced with some difficult calls.

I made the hard choices and I did what was right for the safety of the staff and students. I spoke up at the neighborhood meeting when even the police were not divulging much info on what took place. I had grown men who had tears in their eyes asking to be reassured that their kids would be safe.

To have this thrown in my face as evidence of something wrong with me or the academy is unacceptable. It is a real low blow.

As a person of real character, something the martial arts has reinforced in me, I stand up for people even if they are unpopular. That is why I defended Ainsley from the slander BJJ or BS attempted to place on him, even though Ainsley is with another academy now. Ainsley was invlolved in something bad and did his time. What he did was bad enough no one should lie about it or distort it.

One point of agreement with BJJ or BS, for different reasons, people probably should not train with people like the Amado brothers. Of course I would be more concerned about the academies that opened their arms to them after the October 2010 incident, then the academy that stood up to them and dismissed them.

Just in case BJJ or BS is actually a decent person, just wrong headed and unfair here.

Try and understand this about the 2010 incident, it is deeply personal, I almost walked with Mauricio across the street that day just before the shooting.

Took me a year to admit to myself that my decision to not cross the street may have saved my life, and it was just luck not intuition that kept me safe.

So in my opinion it could have happened to anyone it just happenned to be Dida.

One of the staff members ran after the gunman unarmed, to protect everyone. He could have been hurt, and he is not the least bit unsavory, a hero really.







BJJ or BS / December 15, 2012 at 01:09 pm
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Josh,
I've made my points and you have done your best to avoid and deny and cover up. It's only after you've been cornered that you fess up to anything. I didn't even look into your academy thoroughly. I just asked a few people and did a google search and look at everything that popped up. Everything about you screams bad news.

In every single post that you've written you come off sounding like a two faced con artist. That last post is so shamelessly self congratulatory that it's laughable. The more you write the worse you sound. Shady, shady , shady.
Lost me at hello / December 15, 2012 at 02:23 pm
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I completed a free month at Toronto BJJ and I was ready to sign up but I couldn't get them to tell me the price over the phone. I scheduled an appointment to discuss it, as they requested, but something came up so I couldn't make it to the appointment. I decided to stop by the gym earlier in the day instead. I figured how hard could it be to just talk to someone about signing up. Boy was I wrong. The girl at the counter absolutely refused to tell me. I asked if there was someone else in the building who could tell me. She said no. I was confused because I had seen Josh walking around right as I walked into the place. I'm still shocked at being unable to do something so simple. I'm a busy guy so I told her that if I couldn't get this handled now that I'd go somewhere else. She said go ahead. I walked out and sign up with another academy. I've been there for a month and I love it.

To this day I still have no idea what the hell they're thinking at Toronto BJJ. If I had been able to sign up then and there, I would have.
Josh / December 17, 2012 at 10:08 am
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The "girl" does not know the pricing. Although I may handle memberships in the future, and I have in the past. I have not been involved in new student membership for nearly 12 months.

Assuming this is a true story. Two points, of course we wanted you too join, but clearly no one was available who could assist you at that time. Had you come in for your scheduled appointment or re-scheduled to a time you could make it would have been a different story.

By your own account you were pretty rude. Knowing you need an appointment, you come in at a different time. Then instead of being reasonable and rescheduling,you get upset when no one is available to help you, and get confused because you saw me at one point and figure that even though you are busy guy, no one else has anything going on but you. And that regardless of what jobs people may hold at the academy we should instantly be able to shift over to accomadate you.

Lost me at hello / December 17, 2012 at 12:28 pm
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Wow. I just read through all of the past posts. Clearly Josh is a troll. There's no way that the real owner of a legitimate gym would say act like this. Thanks for wasting everyone's time douche bag.
mataleon replying to a comment from Josh / December 19, 2012 at 05:48 pm
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I wasn't rude to anyone at TBJJ. Asking about pricing shouldn't be as big of a deal as it is. Just because a lot of people didn't have a good experience at TBJJ doesn't make them rude. I suspect this hidden price policy will change in the future (If they are smart) because clearly it has wasted many peoples time and upset them.

Is anyone still considering training here???
Josh 2.0 :-) / December 24, 2012 at 10:18 am
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Yes a lot of people are. Many are referrals from friends who train or have trained or no somebody who has.

It is unfortunate that some have a problem with our policies, to the point that they do not sign up. We can not win them all.

The proof that most of these negative comments are way of base is the hundreds of members who happily sign up every year and then renew.
Josh 2.0 :-) / December 24, 2012 at 10:35 am
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Mataleon, a very small percentage of people who come thru our doors have a negative experience. The fact that maybe 10-15 of those people came on here is not indicative of the overwhelmingly positive experience of the 7,000+ people who have come through our doors over the years.

We offer quality far beyond what the others do so we do not compete on price. Also several academies charge more than we do like Rev and Elliot's. But that does not make them better.

Members at Toronto BJJ achieve a lot more than those at other academies, and I am not talking about competition results at all.

Lost me at hello / December 24, 2012 at 04:18 pm
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Really,
How much do you charge? And how much do Rev and Elliot's charge?

Let the tap dancing begin...

Al the Stallian / December 26, 2012 at 03:39 am
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Josh if Andre "Dida" Amado was not the "intended target" but just a "bystander".. then why was he "dismissed from the academy immediately following the incident"? So one of your fighters from the was shot for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, then you fired him? Wow.. you are nice guy.
Al the Stallian / December 26, 2012 at 04:25 am
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OK GUYS I WILL REVEAL A SECRET EVEN MORE SECRETIVE THAN THE CARAMEL SECRET!!! THE 2012 PRICING FOR TORONTO BJJ (Please note that knowing Josh and his greedy belly, that the price will probably go up in 2013): For two classes of one martial art i.e. Muay Thai or BJJ, per week $189.00 a month for 6 months or $150.00 a month for the year but you must practically pay all of it upfront. But you must realize that you can only go up to twice a week in a single martial art, not unlimited access to all martial arts. I think this is the only gym in the GTA with this rule. Josh you are hated by like 90% of martial artists in the GTA! Even some students and "STAFF" at your own gym despise you. Every loves your head instructor Jorge and his helper Edwardo's personalities. But Josh you arrogant and greedy. I and many of your other ex-students left the gym in part because of your attitude. For 2013 lets all try to change for the better. Osss!
Lost me at hello / December 26, 2012 at 02:22 pm
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Bravo Al!!! Thank you for shedding some light on the subject. Finally some straight answers about this shady gym.
Eyes / December 26, 2012 at 08:33 pm
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Bottom line ,TorontoBJJ is the best BJJ Gym in Toronto.
Real deal spot.For sure the negative comments show a high level jealousy from or some problematic beginners trying to find out some excuse to justify why not choose TBJJ . Because if you really want to learn the martial art this is the #1 place to go.
There is always another options and opinions , but reading the reviews on other gyms it's clear to see that everyone who came here to throw some negative comment has or had some problem with the owner .
anyways there is always a Tim Horton across every Starbucks .
Make your choice and be happy
Lost me at hello / December 27, 2012 at 03:55 am
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Toronto BJJ is not the best. You can't claim to be the best when your members are only allowed to train twice a week.
Josh 2.0 :-) replying to a comment from Al the Stallian / December 29, 2012 at 11:15 am
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Al, those are not the prices in 2012. Whether you hate me or not you are trying to harm the ability of many people you do not know to make a living.

I am not surprised that some former students who were problematic do night appreciate my no nonsense approach. We give problematic people a chance to change their ways, but all the good people should not suffer because some adult people are how should I put this...find it difficult to be reasonable and decent.

Take your own comment about my "belly". The comment is unnecessary for you to make your point. Name calling is immature.

As for Dida, people want to make a somewhat complex situation appear simple. Given that I almost crossed the street, I realize anyone including myself who did not know the nature of the BC man's history and economic activities could have benn in harms way. So that applies to Dida. At the time of the incident in 2010 Dida was not an employee but a sponsored athlete. He made poor choices, and showed a lack of understanding for just how serious the incident was. I have absolute discretion in whom I sponsor end of story.
Josh 2.0 :-) replying to a comment from Lost me at hello / December 29, 2012 at 11:26 am
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Lost me at hello,

What you are saying is untrue and shows a lack of knowledge about Toronto BJJ memberships.

But lets imagine you were correct (you are not) then we would have to look at the competition results and say wow not only does Toronto BJJ out perform every other local academy by up to 18X in competition but they do it training way fewer hours.

So that would even further the claim.

I ma not saying Toronto BJJ is the best place for every individual person to train BJJ in this great city. What i am saying is that on objective measures it is not close.

We have a higher percentage of students who stay motivated and have fun. That leads to us having more students.

Combine the above with superior knowledge, training methodology, structure, and instruction. That accounts for the superior competition results, and level of the average student.

The people who enjoy Toronto BJJ, like to exercise, like the martial arts we offer, appreciate good people, and enjoy getting good.

I remember when I had mediocre BJJ it is not nearly as enjoyable as having amazing BJJ.

Cheers!!!

lost me at hello / December 29, 2012 at 04:51 pm
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Josh, if you really are who you say you are then go ahead and set the record straight. If Al is wrong about the pricing then clarify what the pricing is for 2012. I doubt that you will. I think you're just trolling.
Ozman replying to a comment from Josh 2.0 :-) / January 2, 2013 at 04:44 pm
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Hey Josh. Hey all.

I was at Toronto BJJ for a month in the summer of 2012.
The facilities were great and I have immense respect for Prof. Jorge Britto, Prof. Eduardo, and all the students who were so friendly and helpful.
I didnt even ask about pricing since I understood maybe these were your rules and this is how your school operated.
However when it finally came time to sign up...and I was willing to sign up. Comments and the pressure put on me by Luke was just tremendous. I work in a corporate environment and I recognised the tactics at once and it was a huge turn off.
The pricing was basically $989 for 6 months and they wanted me to sign a contract right then and there.
I have a friend who teaches "Okinawan Karate" in Russia, and he was shocked at the approach. I think there are 2 sides to Toronto BJJ- inside the dojo and outside.

I wish someday prof. Jorge especially teaches in another school so he could input his discipline and good qualities.
I follow his career with great interest. Good luck to him.

I have to say Toronto BjJ is a great gym. I just cant afford that kind of money.Only thing I didnt like about the gym was the lack of transparency ....pricing..secrecy..pressure tactics and well.....you josh. (sorry)

Al the Stallian / January 7, 2013 at 03:16 am
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@ OZMAN $989 A YEAR?!! Thats like almost $2k a year!! Is that only 2 classes a week? Wow.. what a rip off.

@ Josh.. if those were the 2012 prices, then what are the 2013 prices? Are the even higher? I bet they are... lol Whats with the mystery? If I could in 2012 write the 2012 prices and I am not even a student or staff member there, surely you can enlighten us, since you are the owner? Oh, yeah, you like to keep us sheeple in the dark :( Thanks Josh.
muay thai / January 14, 2013 at 12:53 am
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@Josh - All of your muay thai and mma instructors have left in January this year.Do you plan on bringing in instructors for MMA or Muay thai? I was thinking of joining but now looking at the gym schedule it seems you have replaced Muay thai with Kick boxing ( cardio ? ) .
CB / January 14, 2013 at 05:54 pm
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@ Josh Any self respecting intelligent individual would realize that a club that conceals their membership fees is trying to hustle them.
The problem is you use these tactics often on people who are easily pressured and manipulated.
A lot of people getting into martial arts for the first time are doing it to become empowered physically and emotionally but typically aren't there yet. So to run an individual through this gauntlet of sales tactics is at its very core a direct contradiction to the stated "values" of TBJJ.
The mark of a good hustler is one who gets what he wants while keeping everyone he is getting it from happy.
The mark of a crook is one who tricks people into getting what he wants and then makes no apologies when his bullshit is revealed.
Furthermore the comment about your belly is not immature.
It is actually a reasonable statement to make.
You are the owner of a martial arts club that preaches physical fitness, integrity and good health.
You are gigantic, probably close to 400 pounds.
Practice what you preach homie and get into shape.
Your at risk youth program is only set up for free publicity and to find fighters who will make you money one day.
A real man does that shit without calling attention to it.
How about taking these "at risk" youth and provide them with free memberships or classes without defining them as "at risk youth". Don't even get me started about the creepy and unethical evangelical Christian vibe that flows throughout the club.
You are the definition of a scum bag and you embody everything I hate about the north american "its just business" attitude.
Just because it is legal does not make it right.
Maybe you and Elliot should get together and compare notes to see if you can rip off the bjj community for any more money.
I have been to TBJJ / January 16, 2013 at 09:28 pm
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Wow.. I went to TBJJ years ago when it was honestly the best martial arts gym in the province. They had a great Muay Thai, Judo, wrestling and MMA there (they even had a weight set there, too). The price was about maybe like
muaythai replying to a comment from I have been to TBJJ / January 16, 2013 at 11:50 pm
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Yeah they had all these martial arts. Josh took out all of them one by one. First kicked out Mauricio and then replaced him by his student who also left a little while later. The replacement was a mediocre muay thai intructor who also left last month. Kris used to teach on on Sundays which was a great MT class. He has however also left, I wonder why and Josh hasnt bothered to replace Kris with a good instructor and moreover,he has cancelled the sunday class. The MMA instructor has also left !!! I wonder why he calls TBJJ a mixed martial arts school now. Its a BJJ school with some cardio kickboxing class now !
The price at TBJJ has gone up but the variety has gone down. I wish they had a decent Striking program with a self defence class which most good schools do all over the world.
I have been to TBJJ / January 17, 2013 at 01:53 am
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Excuse me, my post did get fully posted:
Wow.. I went to TBJJ years ago when it was honestly the best martial arts gym in the province. They had a great Muay Thai, Judo, wrestling and MMA there (they even had a weight set there, too). The price was about maybe like
Former Student / January 18, 2013 at 12:17 am
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I was a student at TBJJ for 2+ years and was for a large amount of that time a part of the inner circle (competition team). For the first year and a half, things were great. Training was going well and the team was steadily growing. Then things started to go south. I started noticing some things that aren't proper at a martial arts academy. I have the utmost respect for the instructors at TBJJ. They are all very good at their craft. As a member of that "inner circle" I was privy to many conversations with staff and coaches in private training sessions and carpools to tournaments. First of all, without mentioning names, several instructors would send out top students to "teach a lesson" (put a beating on) to other students that were training at other schools as well as TBJJ, because in some instructors eyes, those students are seen as traitors or scum. Also, to add to the tone of 95% of the comments in this article, MANY of the staff at TBJJ HATE Josh with a flaming passion. I wont go into details of the names called and things said, but trust me, he is not very well liked, even among his closest peers.

As my time at TBJJ was coming to a close and I was coming to terms with the fact that I could no longer give my hard earned money to such a shady business man, then came the nail in the coffin. They started with those "closed door new membership meetings" More than once, I had a conversation with someone who has just come out of one of those and some things they've said to me is that they felt "bullied" and "peer pressured" into making decisions and signing contracts.

I don't want to make a novel out of this post, so I'm going to fire off a couple more reasons why I left and why I feel there is better places to train in the GTA.

1) Favoritism - Josh and a few instructors give 85-90% of their time and dedication to the elite students. About 50% of the classes I've attended at TBJJ (which would probably be in the hundreds easily) the instructors spent in the "instructor area" of the mat, talking, laughing and making jokes at the expense of the worse students.

2) Slander - Without fail, when an instructor or high level student would leave (or get fired or whatever) Josh would come in hard with the trash talk RIGHT away. "He was doing drugs" "We kicked him out for being immoral" "He drugged a girls drink" the list goes on and on...
Basically, anyone who doesn't stay at TBJJ is a: traitor, drug addict, gangster, on steroids, predator or evil villain plotting to take over the world.

3) Josh's attitude - Obviously this topic has been discussed plenty of times throughout this thread already, but I feel the need to add my two cents. 99.99999% of the students that have left TBJJ that I have spoken to left for one reason; JOSH. I've spoken to 10+ gym owners at tournaments that have had run ins with Josh where he bad mouthed their gyms or their instructors and he's cowered and apologized.

4) Religious Undertones - The instructors at TBJJ are VERY VERY VERY Christian oriented. Many people are uncomfortable with this but cannot say anything because the head instructor is the most hardcore of them all. I'm fine with whatever religion you subscribe to, it just is unnecessary when every other word is Jesus.

5) Membership/Money/Pricing - I could write a novel on this one, but to be up front; TBJJ steals money. They took double withdraws out of my account and many other friends on more than one occasion. Also, cancelling my membership took 6 months (all of which I was charged for and NEVER reimbursed). Josh has now begun to make other members that started way back when it was $85.00 a month, pay 100% more ($160ish a month)

In conclusion, there are some awesome people at TBJJ. Josh is not one of them. You WILL learn good fundamentals and skills at TBJJ, but there is a good chance you will also be a victim of shady business tactics and neglect. If you are going to train at TBJJ I offer you one tip; Make sure you're a top ranked competitor, because you'll get the royal treatment from Josh and the staff. You can start fights in Muay Thai class and swear and complain and tell refs to go fuck themselves at tournaments, as long as you're good at BJJ Josh will continue to cart you around the world to compete, but the second you decide to make something of yourself and move on to another school where you can hone your skills to become a professional MMA fighter or teach at another school, you're a drug abusing, steroid using, woman beating traitor that was kicked out because your morals did not reach the high standards that is Toronto BJJ.
@ Former Student. / January 19, 2013 at 02:35 pm
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Former Student, that was very eloquent, and very true.
Josh 2.0 :-) replying to a comment from Former Student / January 26, 2013 at 06:35 pm
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Seriously, some of this stuff is just wild. I am glad that most people who hate on me are still in agreement that Toronto BJJ is a pretty good academy. That shows something.

It is not my job to be popular. It is my job to make sure that the academy offers great services to the members.

1) Maybe you are paranoid or just making this up.

2) Slander only really happens if what is being said is untrue. You are guilty of slander here. Also we have plenty of former instructors who moved on to the next phase in their lives , who we are on good terms with. Some even still train regularly.

3) This is something that I can only say that people who have vested interests in other places have run out of plausible reasons as to why Toronto BJJ is not the place to be. So they try this, and if enough anonymous posters repeat it, people will think it is true.

4) Hey it is no secret that Jorge is Christian, and it is also no secret that I am not. We have devout Muslim members. Their are a lot of atheists at the academy too. So please stop making stuff up.

5) Without being aware of your alleged specific circumstance I can not comment on that. I can only say that as for the last part of it that is patently untrue.

Your conclusion is false. Their are specific examples that totally contradict what you are saying.

I get that you are upset as you probably are friends with people that do all the bad things you just listed at the end of your rant. Hey your instructor (or friends instructor), is in jail for a reason.

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Josh 2.0 :-) replying to a comment from muay thai / January 26, 2013 at 06:39 pm
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Hey Muay Thai, we do have MMA training going on during off hours.

The kick boxing is a real class, we are now under the guidance of Henry Hooft the striking coach of many of today's top MMA fighters, aqnd his righthand man Jorge Blanco. They have a system thaqt is dutch style not Thai, hence the name change. Our everyday instructor is Kerry Marine.
Josh 2.0 :-) replying to a comment from muay thai / January 26, 2013 at 06:40 pm
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Heny will up soon to teach a couple of clinics and do some evaluations of the students for grading in his system.
Former Student 2.0 replying to a comment from Josh 2.0 :-) / January 26, 2013 at 11:01 pm
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Hey Josh, thanks for not providing any evidence to contradict any of my points. We both know what I've said is true and I've provided MANY points that I'm sure many people would agree with me on.
Lets revisit;

1) It's a well known fact you treat your competition team like royalty, and many other members aren't given any thought in your mind. You only help people who can help you. Don't bring up your "At Risk Youth" program either. You only help those kids so you can tell people you do. Someone who was doing it out of the goodness of their heart wouldn't need to make sure everyone knew he was doing something good.

2)I've personally sat at TBJJ and listened to you talk nonsense about great instructors and great people. You bad mouth anyone who doesn't agree with you and think you're some sort of marketing genius. You attended Lloyd Irvin's seminar then used his business techniques THEN went on to talk about how hes an awful person and even KICKED out one of your members for training with him.
Evidence praising Lloyd Irvin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-gcvFmgLgs

3)No. Not even close.
There's a reason you're disliked by almost every other gym owner in the city. It's because you're a condescending shit talking jack ass. You wouldn't let your students compete in the past in OJA events because you had a beef with Omar and Fernando. You were mad that their tournaments were and are run better than anything TBJJ could muster. Tell me I'm wrong Josh, tell me that everyone loves you. Or just tell your self, either way, you're fooling no one.

4)I did not say anything about TBJJ not having many different people from many different religions, there's nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, talking about Jesus during the time I PAY YOU to teach me Jiu Jitsu is unethical. I'm not there for a bible lesson, I'm there to learn to defend myself. Spending 5-10 minutes talking about Jesus and how he's saved your life is not only unpractical for me, but its disrespectful to the other students in the class that may have other religious beliefs.

5) You already know what I said was true. You throw new members in a closed room with Luke and pressure them into signing a contract thats WAY overblown. You HAVE increased prices 100%+ in the past year; don't think I didn't notice you not deny that.

You said I contradicted myself, please provide examples of when I did that in my post. How is it that a gym can so constantly have an issue with double dipping into peoples BANK ACCOUNTS? Thanks for addressing that in your horrid rebuttal.

:)

I hope considering members that see this and realize that every time someone has brought up an argument against Josh about pricing, attitude or general honesty he has avoided to answer at all costs. This is the type of person you'll be giving your money to. I'll include links to several other gyms in Toronto that aren't owned by someone trying to STEAL from your bank account.

Xtreme Couture
Salvosa BJJ
matadormma
Evolucao Thai
Mecha MMA
Rev MMA
Action Reaction MMA
muaythai replying to a comment from Josh 2.0 :-) / January 27, 2013 at 09:23 pm
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So Josh you are saying MMA classes are not open to everyone and you have these secret MMA sessions? Why do you even advertise your gym as an MMA school?
Kerry Marine is a good muay thai practitioner and how are you going to suddenly ask him to teach a style that is not natural to him or you just dont care about these technical details?
Dutch style is boxing heavy and axe kicks and people such as Peter Aerts competed and trained in Muay thai, I think you are just trying to fool people by saying you have introduced a new style.
Let me ask you a question - You have signed up people advertising Muay thai and MMA previously and now when they have paid you have changed and cancelled some of the classes and now have completely changed it from Muay thai to Kick boxing ( cardio?).Do you plan on compensating the gym members? Did you even ask these paying members who make your gym economically viable what their opinion was ?
. What are you planning next ? Ask Jorge to teach Japanese Jiu Jitsu instead of BJJ just cos you had en epiphany ??
Also, Chris Sit is still advertised as an instructor at your gym? He doesnt teach anymore !
I am begining to think all the negative comments made by people have some truth to it. There are other very successful martial arts gym in Toronto, none other has had these many negative comments. If you were a smart person you would know that you need to change somethings about the gym to make it more desireable.
Josh 7.8 / January 27, 2013 at 10:45 pm
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Yea were gonna have Fedor coming in as our striking coach he's gonna come for an assessment of our Cardio Kickboxing class. He'll be evaluating the class and coming to Toronto from Russia about once or twice a year. The Henry Hooft I mean Fedor evaluating classes will cost 100-125 dollar. Everyone from the gym will also be featured on TUF Canada.
Josh 2.0 :-) replying to a comment from muaythai / January 28, 2013 at 02:45 am
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Actually Kerry is following the curriculum set out by Henry Hooft and Jorge Blanco. Hooft says his style this style is dutch Kick Boxing. Blanco is personally teaching Kerry every week, and Hooft and Blanco have a curriculum and handbook that Kerry is following. so this is not cardio kickboxing, but it is a rigorous workout.

Hooft is recognized as one of the top stand up coaches in MMA and kickboxing today. We feel we are in the process of slowly but surely taking our Kick Boxing program to a whole new level.

As for MMA, those with pro aspirations have always trained off hours its no secret.

We no longer have beginner MMA classes.

As for consultation with members, we do that, but we are leaders in the field too. Take the MMA classes for the general public we opened those in 2004, pre TUF.

Are there members who specifically paid for MMA classes? I am not aware of any, but there might be.

We now have 6 additional BJJ classes per week.

As for the crazy accusations, take it with a grain of salt, hundreds of happy students, versus the 5 people posting under 16 different handles here. A lot of lies or broken telephone info in their rants. I do not feel like dignifying the absurd by responding to it.

Even though your tone was not respectful, you raised some fair questions so I responded to it.











Former Student 2.0 replying to a comment from Josh 2.0 :-) / January 28, 2013 at 09:30 am
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I didn't think you'd reply to me.
Apparently I know too much so we'll just write off my comments.

I can only hope that someday, all the nice/good people that make TBJJ a good school, move on from you.

Instructors like Nacho, Ryan, DuDu, Kerry, Bodrug, Jorge, Donald and Mikey are the only reason TBJJ is bearable. Unfortunately, you're the boss at TBJJ which kind of sucks because you force (in my opinion) good people into your shady business techniques. I will point out that, throughout my time at TBJJ, I never once had to deal with any of those instructors talking badly on other academies. You on the other hand, are either insecure or naive. Nobody wants to hear your opinions anymore, Josh.

When I joined TBJJ 3 years ago you had your prices posted on your website with a giant font saying something along the lines of "lowest prices in Toronto!" When I came in for a trial, Donald told me the prices at the front desk, walked me through the building and told me to sign up whenever I'm ready.

Your head has grown much too big from those days to now. I don't know if its because instructors are asking for more money or you're greedy or Saulo has raised the price for being an association school, but whatever it is, you should fix it.


And finally, just to shine some truth on what you're saying...
You do not, and never have consulted members before making a decision like removing a marital art. You didn't consult any members when you took out several Muay Thai classes to add more BJJ. You didn't consult members when you got rid of MMA classes either.

I urge people looking into join TBJJ and reading through this page to make sure you tread carefully. Don't let TBJJ intimidate you into this "JOIN NOW or else you'll miss out on a FANTASTIC DEAL" in your "private consultation"


Josh 2.0 :-) / January 28, 2013 at 03:51 pm
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Craziest coincidence in the world. All the people who work at Toronto BJJ are amazing, and the students are great too. I have played a major role in putting this together, I must be the problem.


Cheers !!!
Former Student 2.0 replying to a comment from Josh 2.0 :-) / January 28, 2013 at 05:26 pm
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Man, you're literally so clouded by your attitude its hilarious. The only reason those people are there is because you pay them well. (Which you should be considering you charge students $165/month)

None of them like you, they call you all sorts of names. I remember one instance where you were having a private with Jorge and I was listening to several instructors crack some "high level" jokes at your expense.

You can pretend people respect you, and your Mc Brown Belt, but you're only fooling yourself.

What I posted in my last comment:
"Instructors like Nacho, Ryan, DuDu, Kerry, Bodrug, Jorge, Donald and Mikey are the only reason TBJJ is bearable. Unfortunately, you're the boss at TBJJ which kind of sucks because you force (in my opinion) good people into your shady business techniques."

No where did I say "all the people who work at TBJJ are amazing" or that "the students are great."
I said the instructors are (in my opinion) nice people.
Don't put words in my mouth.

AND ONCE AGAIN, you've ignored my comments about how you removed several Muay Thai classes and MMA classes without consulting any of your members. You ignored my comments about bringing new perspective members into a room and forcing them into signing a contract with your "Sign now or the price will go up!" bullshit.

You're a scam artist, you're scum and you're everything that's wrong with BJJ in Canada.


....Also, what ever happened to your friendship with Rafael Lovato? :)
Odd how you were friends with such a nice guy and just like that he doesn't want to come to your academy anymore..
Why don't you fill in everyone on how you tried the same sob story on Rafael about Mauricio?
How about the things you said about Lovato's wife?

Tsk tsk Joshy boy, you should quit while you're ahead.


The Truth / January 28, 2013 at 05:44 pm
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"As for consultation with members, we do that, but we are leaders in the field too. Take the MMA classes for the general public we opened those in 2004, pre TUF."

The only field you are a leader in is food consumption.
Former Student / January 28, 2013 at 10:10 pm
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Anyways Josh, I'm tired of this back and forth.
Good on you for all you've accomplished with TBJJ, but I and many other people would respect you more if you were more honest and up front. Cut the shady stuff and get back to real BJJ.

Take it easy.
muaythai replying to a comment from Josh 2.0 :-) / January 28, 2013 at 11:39 pm
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Do you plan to bring back the MMA classes?
MuayThaiToronto / January 29, 2013 at 04:29 am
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Kerry Marine? Is now your head instructor? WTF? Doesn't he train at another gym called South Side or TKMT? I saw him at an amateur fight where he was corned by one of those other gyms. I heard that he also verbally tapped out during the first round of an open house fight at TKMT. How much pro fights does he have? None? Maybe the most like a handful of amateur fights? He has maybe like 3 years of Muay Thai and he is ready to teach? Ok. I am happy that I dont go there. You guys have the best BJJ but the worst Kickboxing/Muay Thai and MMA in the country... but the highest prices :(
Muay Thai/Kickboxing students, if you want to learn good orthodox striking go to TKMT, REV MMA Krudar or Siamno1.
muaythai replying to a comment from Josh 2.0 :-) / January 30, 2013 at 01:45 am
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Josh thanks for replying. I understand that you will be promoting a new style of kick boxing and you dont seem to agree that whatever you are teaching at the academy is cardio kickboxing.Cardio kickboxing can be a more intense workout than traditional workout, depends what you throw in. Perhaps 100 kicks ?
Lets just compare the MT to the BJJ classes at your gym just for the sake of class structure. After a warm up, good 10-20 minutes are spent on technique and the instructor goes to each student and corrects them if they are doing this wrong and then the rolling follows. Compared to BJJ does the instructor follow the same regimen?I dont think so.
We can also compare the MT classes to MT @KRudar or other traditional MT gyms or even what Mauricio used to teach at your gym. I think the level has gone down and what is going at the gym from what i hear is cardio at best and not close to a striking class where you learn to shadow box , learn about going in and out of range , counters and defence and the most most important attack.
Any person can come in say throw 10 kicks, 10 punches , do burpees or pushups btw them but I think only a seasoned muay thai practitioner can show people the moves or correct them. Have you considered that people might injure their knees if they dont throw the kick while pivoting on the ball of their feet? Its just a small example of what can go wrong when you dont have professionals teaching.
You may have done a great job in promotiong BJJ but for MT i feel there is a certain lack of interest from your side and it will only keep the students away from your gym who want to pay equal attention to MT as they want to pay to BJJ.
I will have to agree with former student on you consulting the members before taking out the classes. Didnt you shut down the school for many days during 2010 for repairs or for other reasons? I think if you calculate you had the gym closed for almost 30 days which does amount to a lot of $$$(profit making tactic?) and its only after someone from your gym expressed his anguish on the Facebook page that u changed your policy on closing the gym,so it was only a retrospective decision.
Jason / January 30, 2013 at 11:50 am
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Everyone is saying Toronto BJJ is way too expensive and throwing out prices on how much they charge, but no one is saying how much other gyms charge. From what I can tell they are all kind of secretive about their prices. Does anyone know the prices of any of the other gyms listed above?

Xtreme Couture
Salvosa BJJ
matadormma
Evolucao Thai
Mecha MMA
Rev MMA
Action Reaction MM
BJJTorontoGuy replying to a comment from Jason / January 30, 2013 at 03:24 pm
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Xtreme - $55ish a month
Rev - $140ish a month
Evolucao - $100ish a month

Those are all I know.
Jason / January 30, 2013 at 05:09 pm
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Thanks and how is the BJJ at those places compared to Toronto BJJ? Is it close or is TBJJ the best place by far to learn just BJJ?
Former Student replying to a comment from Jason / January 30, 2013 at 08:47 pm
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BJJ at Xtreme is very good, they have a really good team and plenty of pro guys
Rev is above average, not the best
Evolucao is newly affiliated with Damien Maia and from what I've heard he's sending out a top level black belt to teach there
Salvosa is also a great BJJ school
And you can't go wrong with Franco Bhering schools either, great instructors there as well.
That's all my opinion though.
Maria / February 1, 2013 at 11:45 pm
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Hello All,

I have been looking to join a club as I would like to start BJJ classes.

I have been reading these comments and I see some themes repeating themselves. To me when I see themes repeating themselves I look at them as red flags which hold some truth.

Needless to say I will not be going to this school. Thank you all.

And to Josh, you would have more impact on perspective clients/student if you did not banter back and forth attacking the comments made.

It is not professional and again this to me is another red flag about your establishment.

It would be a better idea if you graciously accepted the comments and tried to work something, take the comments at face value, tried to rectify the situation, ask for more information or whatever. You should be trying to make things better not worse.

Can't stand Josh / February 2, 2013 at 03:19 am
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Josh is the only reason why TBJJ is going down hill. take the fact that the owner of the gym believes he is the smartest man on earth, but can't remember not to double bill you every month, the fact that he only regards his competition team as the success of the gym, and only takes care of the people who win medals, he talks to people like they know nothing, and his gym prices reflect that of someone's who is trying to make you go broke, the change rooms have never been up graded. I've spent 1600 dollars to be told I'm only allowed to train twice a week on the days that I pick and only those days, when I had a problem about billing Josh said make a appointment but I never saw the Fat F$@#! Many times I've heard Josh degrade and embarass his own staff to paying members for no reason whatsoever. I bet if someone was to replace this fat ass loser that gym would be promising again! There's my two cents , Fuck you Josh! Love the rest of you from TBJJ
CurrentStudent / February 2, 2013 at 05:33 am
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Josh- I would like to know why the students have not been made aware that 3 instructors namely Donald, David and Chris left TBJJ. Nothing has been mentioned on the Facebook page,not even a word! Kerry was always there and suddenly now you find him good enough to teach when all your Standup instructors have left. He was always good but its ridiculous and shows how you use people when it suits you.
Josh its in your interest to resolve issues before they blow up and majority of students leave your academy and join another academy closeby which you consider is shady but has a better striking coach. I think you are suffering from invincibility and feel you are bullet proof. Remember stagnation leads to downfall. Judging your academy by the medals it wins is not a good yardstick.In my opinion you should have asked the people who had issues with double withdrawal to come and see you so that you can take care of things and this would have sent a positive message to your current paying members that you wont take advantage of the trust they have instilled in you and your academy by signing up for direct withdrawal.It is a serious issue and you should deal with it so that others who train here are comfortable.Its wierd and to a point shady that you didnt even bother to reply to them or ask them to come. Arrogance perhaps?

@Maria
TBJJ is a great place to learn BJJ if you think shelling out couple of hundred of $$ is worth it. Most people dont even bother about Josh since you dont have to deal with him directly but if you do ,his Customer Service skills are zilch at best if not negative.
Maria / February 2, 2013 at 04:34 pm
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Hello Current Student,

Like I said I will not be registering with this establishment.

I am a Human Resources Management Professional and what I see on these posts is not comforting and raises many red flags.

My interests are learning to defend myself and to release tension/stress.

It seems to me that if I were to join not only will I be handing over a large sum of funds but will also have to possibly deal with the stress that comes with joining this establishment i.e.: double dipping, instructor is there one day and gone the other, arbitrarily replacing classes with others classes, hard time reaching management to rectify situations and etc.

Another big issue that makes me nervous is the lack of a comprehensive contract detailing the establishment’s responsibility to me and vice versa.

Hence, if any legal action were to be taken it would be my word against theirs.

As the shark tank's say, "For those reasons I am out."

Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 03:47 am
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Lol seriously. I love drama and I know a lot about Toronto BJJ.
Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 03:54 am
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@ current student

If you were at Tbjj you would know that Chris Sit still trains there. He no longer has time for the Sunday class.

Btw no need to do mass announcements when those who train can easily ask Donald or David.
Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 04:06 am
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@ Maria let me get this straight you know everything about Tbjj but have never been there? You don't like the lack of complexity in their contract?
Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 04:10 am
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@ current student
What makes you think josh hasn't spoken to students with billing issues? If you were one of them you should have posted that already.
Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 04:19 am
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@ can't stand josh

I hear you. As someone who has worked at Tbjj, its hard not to have some issue with Josh. I ant recall a job where I never had an issue. When I stopped doing sales it wasn't because I had a falling out or anything.

Because I did sales I can tell you are lying about having a billing problem and paying the amount you claimed.
Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 04:22 am
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Double dipping is what happens when you get billed twice for the same month and the money comes out twice in full.
Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 04:26 am
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I have been there when Tbjj bills out the monthly payments, double dipping is not possible for technical reasons.
H / February 4, 2013 at 04:38 am
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Lol at closing to make money. Sorry but I know for a fact Josh hates to close. I heard someone ask him about savings and he said that the sales lost on new students and renewals is ten times any potential savings.
Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 05:06 am
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From an insiders perspective they could give more notice about holiday closings or hours st Xmas.

@ Jason Tbjj hands down. I travel these days, and Tbjj gets respect everywhere. The hate on here is jealousy over how good Tbjj is at Bjj and how many students they have.

@ Josh

Seriously bro you think people are like you. They are not interested in discussion. This is not some intellectual discussion. Don't fall for it. Engaging them only brings you to their level.

I know you. You think the public should be informed and you wish you could post the real story about Evolucao, trust me leave it alone.

Reality replying to a comment from Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 08:57 am
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Every bit of your comments is a giant crock of shit.
I think the public would like to know the "real story about Evolucao" so please, Mr. Insider, enlighten us.

"Seriously bro you think people are like you. They are not interested in discussion. This is not some intellectual discussion. Don't fall for it. Engaging them only brings you to their level." This is some Josh nut hugger syndrome right here. You we're not an "insider" You're probably some loser that trains at TBJJ that doesn't want people talking mean things about that "fantastic" gym you attend.

Realistically, Josh is scum and TBJJ is going downhill fast.

Also, tell us your name for credibility's sake. Because you know, you worked at TBJJ...

Btw I worked at Disney world.
^Pretty believable huh?

Reality replying to a comment from Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 08:58 am
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This isn't true either.

TBJJ use to take $85 out of my account twice a month "by accident" more than a few times back when the price was $85 a month.

You're just talking bullshit now, cut it out.
Tsktsk / February 4, 2013 at 03:30 pm
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Hmm = Josh?
Tsktsk / February 4, 2013 at 03:35 pm
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Have nothing better to do between
Hmm / February 4, 2013 at 03:47 am - Hmm / February 4, 2013 05:06 am.
RobertBentley / February 5, 2013 at 08:50 am
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If I wasn't a jaded member of the internet community for a long time the above commentary would have surprised me, but alas - it doesn't.

When I post on forums (like mma.tv) or blogs like this I post under my real name because I choose to say things I have absolutely no problem associating with. I have the courage of my convictions and I say what I mean.

I have been with Toronto BJJ since early 2008 and have had an amazing time training there. I will now post exactly what to expect if you were to ever train at Toronto BJJ.

1) Instruction: We have two full time black belt instructors - Eduardo and Jorge. They aren't just highly accomplished black belts; they have received their degrees in physical education and as such possess even greater knowledge in how to communicate the techniques and training methods that improve you as a martial artist.

Our other assistant instructors are highly experienced and well decorated Brown Belts (Thomas Beach, Nathan Rector, Ryan O'Shea) and a couple of purples (Alessandro Roman, Oscar Dewindt). The reason we have so many instructors and assistant instructors is to make sure our comprehensive schedule is accommodated, and to ensure that there is help on hand for the larger classes.

2) Friendly atmosphere: The reason why our team is so successful and why we have so many medal winners isn't because we cultivate some kind of "meat-head" attitude; it's because we are given two major responsibilities a) To improve ourselves - and b) To become as good a training partner as we can be to help others do the same. These principles and attitudes are fostered all the time by our head instructors Jorge and Eduardo.

I don't believe whoever above stated they are working in Human Resources and stating that they won't attend our establishment because of what they have read in the comments section. Unless of course they believe that no one would ever have an axe to grind, and that anonymous internet posts are a great source of unbiased information.

This isn't Amazon.com where you can verify the authenticity of the poster, have others rate the reliability of the reviewer, and can then take into consideration a wide variety of information to form an opinion. It is an opinion piece on a blog - where individuals have been posting with complete anonymity.

If you really wished to find out what Toronto BJJ is like you could come for the 30 free trial. Literally no obligation. You don't give any payment information... you sign a waiver, train, and make up your mind at any time during the trial.

In fact - you could have attended the recent, completely free, women's self-defense seminar Toronto BJJ offered to everyone; regardless of experience or martial arts club affiliation.

These are all things you could have done to obtain an informed opinion about this Martial Arts club but instead you've apparently decided that the most reliable source of information is a collection of anonymous internet posts - instead of the review above that has an attributed author to it.

No - Toronto BJJ isn't for everyone as it is impossible to have a school that fits everyone's personality.

But there is a reason why there are literally hundreds of people who renew each time their 6 month or 12 month contract comes to an end. There is a reason why we're continually doing well in both local and international tournaments. There is a reason why Jorge and Eduardo are so respected in the BJJ community. Sadly - there is also a reason why there will always be nay-sayers and those trying to stir up trouble and drama.

It's because Toronto BJJ is a successful martial arts club. Something that wouldn't be possible without the many happy students, the great and authentic instruction, and the positive atmosphere we have there.

So for those looking for evidence - you've got the following two positions:

1) Toronto BJJ is bad: Source of evidence? Anonymous internet postings.

2) Toronto BJJ is good: Two sources with attributed authors (original blog and this), medal standings at any tournament we send a team to, the fact we have so many repeat students from all walks of life, the number of community minded programs we're involved in (food bank - literally thousands of kilos raised over the years, evergreen, holiday soup kitchens etc.), and of course...you can see this all with your very own eyes if you wanted to by trying our 30 day free trial. You literally have nothing to lose except your preconceptions and prejudices.

I bid you all a good day.

Robert Bentley
www.twitter.com/Rob_Bentley
www.facebook.com/TheRobertBentley

;)

RobertBentley / February 5, 2013 at 08:53 am
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Oh - and as far as the comment goes with respect to how often Jorge teaches; demonstrably false.

Jorge teaches nearly every day. He is not just some visiting black belt - he's in there making sure the students and the club associated with his name do well and improve.
Reality / February 5, 2013 at 11:00 am
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Lol can you tell Rob works at TBJJ? Nice sell man. Jorge does teach everyday, that is true. BUT there is an obligation when signing up for that 30 day trial, after your last class they pull you into your "colsultation meeting" with Luke and its off to the land of intimidation ahaha please Bently, you keep washing those Gis at the front desk.
RobertBentley / February 5, 2013 at 11:58 am
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"Reality" - There is no obligation and it's obvious you're reaching.

There is no "pull you into a consultation meeting". We don't press-gang members into submission. "Intimidation"?? Are you kidding me? Please pray tell what form of intimidation do we use?

Do we threaten to lock you in a room and sing to you off-key until you sign on the dotted line? Do you know how ridiculous your accusations sound?
Insider / February 5, 2013 at 02:20 pm
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To the people:
Robert Bently is a brown belt underneath Jorge Britto, and an employee at TBJJ. Josh let him have his art show at TBJJ when Rob was having financial problems after cheating on his wife. That is why he holds a candle for Josh and TBJJ. Nothing more.
RobertBentley / February 5, 2013 at 04:57 pm
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To "the people" - I am a brown belt under Jorge Britto. I have never cheated on my "wife" - we've been separated for a long time; my ex-wife still trains at the academy as do our children. It's sad that to try to make a case the individual (anonymously of course) has to make accusations and talk about things they know little.

Just continuing the habit I suppose?

Josh did help me with my Art Show...that horrible, horrible person.

I don't hold a candle for Josh or anyone else - I'm simply stating facts that can be verified. I am being honest and forthright - the same cannot be said of you of course.

So in the three sentences you just posted you've demonstrated that you're petty (bringing up elements of someone's personal life), that Josh has done something to help someone, and that you have a poorly motivated agenda.

You'r a sad, sad person. You have my pity.
Reality replying to a comment from RobertBentley / February 7, 2013 at 11:24 am
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Rob,

I can see you're one of those "I'm going to type perfectly so everyone sees how smart I am" guys, that's cute and all but lets be realistic. You didn't address any of the points made by any of the other posters about double dipping, attitude, favoritism or all the other issues that have come up. You can tell me I have your pity all you want. Reality is, you work the desk at TBJJ as a 40+ year old man. All the perfect typing in the world doesn't make you anything more than what you are.

Cheers :)
RobertBentley / February 7, 2013 at 01:17 pm
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I find it humorous that you've gone from petty personal attacks to insulting the fact that I can articulate what I'm thinking. I'm also not 40+ ;)

The "reality" is all of your "points" were addressed previously by other posters. If favouritism was an issue then there would only be a few medal winners at Toronto BJJ, but in fact there are dozens. If customer service was so poor, there wouldn't be hundreds of people who continue to renew their contract and we wouldn't have so many students. If the teaching wasn't of the highest level we wouldn't be anywhere near as successful on the medal tables...but we are. All of our claims are verifiable with a little bit of research, and your claims smack of someone who is bitter for some reason.

You see - if a thinking person were to come on this thread they would see that the only people brave enough to associate their name with what they are saying are individuals like myself. Because of the anonymity of the internet (which is great for people like yourself) multiple accounts can be created, petty attacks on a person's personal life, and irrelevant details continually thrown about.

As far as where I am in life? I'm incredibly happy thank you very much! Although I am not yet 40 I have worked and lived in several different countries around the world and find myself making a living working in a field that is one of my passions. I'm sorry if you can't say the same.

I really hope you find something that makes you happy, because whatever gripe you may have can't be the only source of your bitter disappointment.

So "Reality" you can try to claim truth - but with no evidence, and no courage of your convictions your collection of personal attacks, petty ramblings, and irrelevant segues...it is obvious your claims hold no water.

Good luck with everything!
Reality replying to a comment from RobertBentley / February 7, 2013 at 02:39 pm
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Haha good for you Rob. Again you failed to disprove anything that's been said in this thread. I'll just leave it at that.

I'm glad you've found work in your passion as you are a very good artist and I even attended your art show, although I'm not impressed with your biased opinion on Josh or TBJJ in general.

To combat the one counter you made, 80% of TBJJ's medals are from their competition team, the other 20% are white belts that compete just for fun.

I'm done arguing, call me petty or courage less or irrelevant if it makes you happy, doesn't make a single bit of difference to me.

Take care and good luck.


To anyone who read through this thread, many of the claims made are 100% truth and some have been exaggerated. TBJJ is a good school with good instructors. TBJJ is also run by a condescending shady jackass. You will more than likely have money stolen from you and treated like a leper if/when you decide to move on from TBJJ.

There is, however some nice students/instructors at TBJJ and I hope someday they realize they can branch out and open a gym or work at another gym that is much less shady. Take my testimony for what it's worth with a grain of salt and go in and try the trial. Make Rob happy. Remember me when you have your "membership consultation" and they tell you if you don't sign up right away the price goes up a bunch. Remember me when you're alienated because you're not a future world champion or pretty girl.

Don't settle for TBJJ, there is better in Toronto, you just have to be willing to look.


I was @ TBJJ before / February 8, 2013 at 03:32 am
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Hahaha, this is my first time reading this blog at it is pure jokes! First thing, I am pretty sure that the poster "Hmm" is Josh.. thats kinda corny, Josh. Secondly I have heard personally that TBJJ "double dips".. here is a an actual message from Facebook from a student at TBJJ regarding double dipping: "there were so many times where i paid for things and he "forgot" about it and i didnt want to complain - times where i would pay for 10 privates and get taught 7". I was there for about 6 months in 2012 and Jorge didnt really teach any of the noon classes, the other short Brazilian black belt taught or Tommy taught. Prices there was too high, for that money I could have imported my own Brazilian black belt for privates.
CurrentStudent / February 8, 2013 at 08:16 am
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@Hmm or Josh or whoever you are !!!
The absolute disregard and disdain that you have for my concerns just reflects the quality of Customer service at TBJJ.
If you are not Josh then its even worse, just goes to show that you and your ex boss are clouded by the economic success of your gym.
Lets for a moment take out Jorge from your gym and see how many leave your shady establishment.
Dude you must be stupid to comment that students should run around asking where Chris Sitt is and find out if he is teaching or not. You are not doing a favour to the members by providing a service, they are doing it to you by training there. If your gym closes down today there are dozens of places to go to.
People can ask Donald and David if they teach? What kind of circus do you think TBJJ is ? You expect people to find out who their instructors will be everytime 3 instructors are silently let go or leave?
@What makes me think Josh hasnt spoken to those who had billing issues? - if you can read which i hope you can, not once has Josh mentioned come and see me and I'll fix the problem or if such a thing has happened it was purely accidental??? All I see him is rubbishing the claims which is immature, unprofessional and childish at best.
Uberpinscher replying to a comment from Reality / February 8, 2013 at 12:47 pm
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Wow - Just catching up on the inevitable 20 responses of bickering and infighting that show up on this page every few weeks.

@reality and a bunch of the other haters: Its obvious you didn't enjoy certain aspects of TBJJ. That being said, personal attacks on people who speak their opinion (like bentley) is just sad. its a horrible look. are you really all that blind with rage that you feel its appropriate to attack a member's personal situation at home? or their financial situation?

A bunch (or one under multiple handles)of mean spirited, vindictive people here.

I've been a member for 2 years - and happily. Yes its pricey, but the training is amazing. Beyond some people deciding its not for them, I cant imagine how or why you would be so invested or involved in dealing with and hating Josh. How often does the average member interact with Josh? Saying hello when you walk by him? one or two sentence small talk a few time a month?

And all this rage boiling up and pretty much beheading anyone who shares their opinion that is different than yours?

Ugly ugly ugly.
MEDALCHASER TEAM LI / February 9, 2013 at 08:42 pm
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All the people saying Toronto BJJ is so sweet and awesome in the rebuttals just say how sweet and awesome it is (looking at you robert bentley btw you writing like a academic doesn't make you one, ya starving artist get a job ya bum). Everyone has tippy toed around MULTIPLE of the legit claims (Why does joshy go to lloyd irvin rape marketing conferences????) made by former student, muay thai, bjj or bs and many before im just too lazy to read seriously tho enough people hate on this place and its from more than one person dating back to May 2011. Anyways everyone has one real question and since my question got taken down once before im gonna repost it with no swearing, its still probably way too real for ya'll anyways.

JOSHY HOW IS IT THAT YOU OWN A GYM AND YOU STILL LOOKING LIKE CHRIS FARLEY'S COUSIN WITH A SWEET BEARD?? THAT IN ITSELF IS SUSPECT ENOUGH HOMIE. DONT GIVE SOME COOKIE CUTTER RESPONSE OF "MAKING FUN OF FAT PEOPLE IS CHILDISH WAAHHH"....YOU OWN A GYM FILLED WITH HEALTHY PEOPLE WORKING OUT 24/7 YOU DONT HAVE A 1.5 HOURS A DAY 3-4 TIMES A WEEK TO TRAIN JITS? RESISTANCE TRAINING OR CARDIO? I UNDERSTAND GOING TO LLOYD IRVIN RAPE MARKETING CONFERENCES IS STRESSFUL BUT REALLY THO?. I UNDERSTAND METICULOUSLY STEALING FROM PEOPLES ACCOUNT TAKES SOME TIME OUT OF YOUR BUSY SCHEDULE BEING IT IS ALREADY CHALKED FILLED OF KNOCKING DOWN OTHER SCHOOLS/PEOPLE, AND SINGING YOUR OWN PRAISES OF OWNING THE MOST SUCCESSFUL BJJ SCHOOL IN THE WORLD, THAT BTW BTW BTW TEACHES UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN WHO BTW ARE UNDERPRIVILEGED (THAT YOU TEACH YOURSELF CAUSE YOUR TOO CHEAP TO PAY A REAL INSTRUCTOR WHO COULD TEACH THEM SOMETHING OF VALUE) ... SINCERELY THO CONGRATS ON SOMEHOW DUPING JORGE AND SAULO INTO GIVING YOU A BROWN BELT YOUR SLICK AND ELEGANT TECHNIQUE REALLY SHINES ON THE MATS. I LONG FOR THE DAY OF SEEING YOU COMPETE WITH THE 5 OTHER SUPER-DORITOWEIGHTS IN THE WORLD AKA THE BIGGEST LOSER AKA STAY IN SIDECONTROL USING BELLY TO SUFFOCATE. REALLY THO EXPLAIN THE WHOLE DOUBLE DIPPING THING AND HOW THIS SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM WITH MORE THAN ONE PERSON FOR MORE THAN A FEW YEARS.......
Kerry Marine / February 12, 2013 at 12:12 am
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I'll say this, for those of you that have commented about TBJJ being a bad place to be, it's not. No more need be said than that. As far as the classes I am now teaching, I've been trained by Chris Sit, seeing as those of you bringing up the Muay Thai at TBJJ. Chris left for his own reasons, whatever they may be, he still trains me and that's that.

As far as my credentials go, I am teaching, and I am still planning on fighting. You want to speak ill of my skills, that's simply something I don't care to reply to. I have the respect of the people in the Muay Thai community and thats all I care for. Don't bring up MMA striking coaches and throw them into the same boat at the Krus in this city. You are telling people to go to Muay Thai schools that many of the instructors there know me and support me teaching.

Come take a class and you tell me if it's cardio kickboxing. 30 Days Free Trial.

Kerry Marine / February 12, 2013 at 12:18 am
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Oh and lets be clear, just because I'm teaching the Dutch style of Kickboxing doesn't change what I do, or how I fight, just adding to what I do, as many Muay Thai practitioners do. And if you so called Muay Thai lovers on this thread actually knew anything about Muay Thai you wouldn't be fool enough to say the kind of shit you are saying. Love Respect and Believe are words you live by. Remember that if you really do practice the art of Muay Thai. I know I do.
JonnyM / February 14, 2013 at 09:18 am
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Wow! What a hate filled forum. It almost seems pointless posting, because the "Josh et al -haters" will just shift to personal attacks or another irrelevant topic.

Is Toronto BJJ the cheapest in town? Probably not? Could the pricing be more transparent? Sure... maybe. Do other dojo post their prices on line? Not really.

TBJJ has the best schedule I would say in all of Ontario. They cater to different shifts. Morning/lunch/evening (and at one point a midnight session!)BJJ classes. Plus the other classes (Sub-wrestling/Muay Thai/kickboxing). So really for overall bang for your buck (cue your complaints of double dipping, which I hope were resolved)nothing really touches TBJJ.

The instructors are great and thorough.

The location is fantastic.

Does Toronto BJJ win a lot a medals in tournaments? Yes. The response, attack the premise because the ones that are higher belt levels are the ones winning. Go figure, higher decorated Ju Jitsu players are more successful in competition. Seems kind of logical.

Of course if you have a beef with Josh it's hard to be impartial. I am sure the next angst-filled post will be how I must be some sort of Josh "nut-hugger". God knows I must be I see him like every 6 months or so.

Here's a solution.

Godaddy.com may not have Joshsucks.com available, but the do have Joshsucks.co or .info or .net or .org for less than $9.99 Maybe this would be a better outlet for you to vent.

PS. Oh! bitchaboutjosh.com is available as well Oh! Maybe you could incorporate photo-shopping pictures of Josh in crazy compromising situations too.

JonnyM / February 14, 2013 at 09:21 am
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Oh I forgot... Happy Valentine's Day!
Average guy reading all this / February 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm
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Wow...
I read through this (most of it anyway) with the intentions on seeing if TBJJ is right for me... and I keep coming back to one nagging question. Why is there so much controversy?

Would a place that is as top shelf as Josh says, stir up so much fire in the comments section?

It seems like several people have had some pretty bad dealings with Toronto BJJ

I will stay away.

Smoke=Fire
RobertBentley / February 22, 2013 at 09:51 am
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"Average Guy"

There's no smoke, there's hate; huge difference. Any sufficiently large organization will have detractors, and there isn't a single martial arts club in the world that is completely devoid of enemies.

Why aren't you asking "If the club is so awful, why do hundreds of people renew every year?" or "If the club isn't so great at teaching Jiu Jitsu, why do so many of their students do really well at tournaments?" or "If the criticisms have merit, why do the comments devolve into trolling, personal attacks, and petty insults?"

It's too bad - but wherever you choose to try for a jiu-jitsu club I wish you the best of luck and best of health. Toronto is spoiled for jiu jitsu and there are many good clubs out there.

Take care,

Robert Bentley


Tried it...wtf?? / March 14, 2013 at 11:17 am
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I tried their free month deal. Everything was fine until it came time to sign up. Holy crap, can someone please just tell me the price without having to set up an appointment.
@ Tried it...wtf?? / March 16, 2013 at 12:40 am
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If you have to ask the price, then you can't afford it :p
RobertBentley / March 17, 2013 at 11:23 pm
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Among the people we have training at Toronto BJJ there are waiters, teachers, laborers, dishwashers, Tim Horton's employees, nurses, doctors, students, retail staff... Hardly what I would call a financially exclusive group. It's not the least expensive gym in the province (with that level of instruction and comprehensive nature of the schedule, that would be impossible) - but it's certainly not the most expensive.

There should have been no issue setting up an appointment in that they usually try to schedule it for a time when you would be coming in to train normally anyway. It would either be at some point before your training session or after.
Sick bjj / March 19, 2013 at 11:52 am
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Come on Toronto bjj get your act together just tell the people what your charging for the year. I was a member in 2011 and was told by josh him self if I renew within the year my rate would be 1345$ for the year. It is now 2013 and you mean to say you guys have hiked up the prices again and worst you can only go twice a week.
Sick bjj / March 19, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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However I will say this about the club if you are series about bjj this is the place to go and learn.Is it beginner friendly, I would have to say no, are the staff friendly and helpful I would have to say yes most of them are. Is josh a fool well I can only speak from my experience with him and the only thing I will say is that he is very knowledgeable and passionate about bjj. However he is very des respectful about the other martial arts.on one a occasion he was really putting karate and Tae Keon do down saying these arts are garbage.I say this to josh if that's what you think I can direct you to some really tough karate and tae Kwon do guys and go a few rounds with them, believe me they would makeover meat out of you.
Sick bjj / March 19, 2013 at 12:32 pm
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Finally I would like to say about toronto bjj is that again it is a great club I do miss the place but will not join hearing about the prices.Also alot of there blue belts attitude has to change.If a white belt taps you out don't start crying and use 100 excuses as to why you got tapped out.Thats not what training is about , it's about learning excerising sbg having fun it's not a tournament and that is one reason why I left.


Sick bjj / March 19, 2013 at 12:53 pm
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Finally Finally if anyone out there should decide to join and are looking to try a private class get Thomas beach,believe me when I say after a one hour private with him my game and understanding of the game shot through the roof.Shout out to you Tommy your the man and another caring bjj guy that cares about people learning is Oscar.
Kyle / March 19, 2013 at 06:19 pm
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wow...quite the Dichotomy.

Clearly from all of the comments (some people are just plain childish in their remarks both for and against) people should realize that Toronto BJJ is a very specific demographic that does an excellent job pleasing the members who are aligned with a competitive and structured, sometimes army like approach to learning BJJ...nothing wrong with that if that's your thing. Sure they have issues with management and keeping track of this and that - what academy doesn't? However if its pure BJJ you are looking for and you are looking to be disciplined in a "no talking" setting where the head instructor has an almost over-the-top passion for BJJ, then this is the place. Particularly if you are interested in competing and WINNING.

If however you are looking more for a social, easy going and relaxed atmosphere where you are allowed to talk and relax and freely voice your opinions in class, as well as come and go as you please (no late penalties etc.) you might consider another gym. I being older, am now at a stage where at the end of the day, I enjoy training in a relaxed environment with no real goals of world domination.

I really believe everyone here is correct, its just a difference of DEMOGRAPHIC and REQUIREMENT. As a business owner though, I would want to welcome feedback both good and bad - wild and true - and simply use it to improve my business - not antagonize and retaliate.
Tony / March 20, 2013 at 09:53 am
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Saw the blog decided to add my 2 cents was a member a while back good club great workout but left the gym because
Tony / March 20, 2013 at 09:59 am
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Saw the blog decided to add my 2 cents was a member a while back. Good club great workout but one day during class one of the black belts won't name Names made a very very inappropriate comment about people with Parkinson's disease and for that reason I quit.
$$$$$$$ / March 20, 2013 at 11:37 am
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Toronto bjj and open mat are the most expensive clubs In Toronto period. If you don't believe me look around you'll see.
cmyers / March 27, 2013 at 03:54 am
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I'll be visiting Toronto over the weekend from overseas. I'm a BJJ blue-belt.
How much will one session cost just as a visitor?
Can I simply walk in?
Also, is your open mat on Sundays open to visitors as well?
Thanks for any help. C
RobertBentley / March 27, 2013 at 05:43 am
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cmyers - Just call to let us know when you're coming in (they'd just need to make sure they have someone on hand to take your contact info and fill the waiver out). We welcome all visitors from around the world.

The no-obligation 30 day trial applies to everyone; so if you're going to be in Toronto for less than a month then you won't need to worry about the price.

416-744-6868
Anonymous / April 1, 2013 at 01:48 am
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Jorge Britto,
I don't mean for this to be disrespectful, but here is my two cents...
As a student that idolized you for most of my time training at TBJJ I have to confess myself disappointed. You've changed. You've become what I hated about Jiu Jitsu. Politics and petty bulls**t.
I hope you do get back to that guy who taught me BJJ all those years ago. The old Jorge would've let those students leave and not need to get one last jab in. This is petty teenager stuff, and you know it. Unfortunately nobody will tell you this because you have a gaggle of followers "liking" your every post. So I'll give it to you straight.

Porra Jorge, you're better than this...
http://instagram.com/p/Xihx9nMsCq/
Surprised / April 1, 2013 at 02:42 pm
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Having been at TBJJ for 4 years, I do believe that they used to be a fantastic place to train. Josh management style is way below what it should be but the quality of instruction and training in unparalleled in the area.

Having said that and with all the respect and admiration I hold for everything that Jorge has build, I gets difficult to argue against the above post.

Jorge, you are better than that!

And for Josh: A good and successful business builds value to the CLIENT. Revenue maximization as the primary objective is not sustainable and will get you on the ground. A more humble attitude would also help in your business development efforts.

Said to see a place that I cherish so much losing reputation for petty little issues.
Fandango replying to a comment from Josh / April 1, 2013 at 05:24 pm
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Flawless logic there, Josh. The confidence with which you present your horribly conceived arguments just makes you look like you are in denial, petty, and incapable of taking criticism. "... no objective 3rd party with expert knowledge of BJJ would be able to look at the academies and the students and not place Jorge Britto way higher than any instructor from another local school." So the rate of student success has nothing to do with the fact that your gym has been around longer than any other gym and has a bigger population to draw from? If you were to compare proportionate statistics, your argument may have some basis, but you didn't and so your argument is nonsense. If you compare the proportionate success of Fernando Viera and his students both in Manuas and Toronto to that of Jorge and his students in Toronto, it is indisputable who the superior practitioner and instructor is. I hope to God you succumb to cardiac arrest and die so that Toronto BJJ may once again be returned to its former state of glory. Or just stop being a petulant, greedy, asshole; it's gone on too long. You're ruining it for everybody.
Fandango replying to a comment from Josh / April 1, 2013 at 05:50 pm
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The most frustrating part about this whole situation is that Toronto BJJ IS an incredible school full of amazing teachers and students. Jorge, Eduardo, Tommy, Mike, Ryan, Kerry. You guys are not only some of the best instructors and practitioners I've met, but you're also some of the nicest, most genuine and caring people a person could hope to know. My grievances have nothing to do with the collective awesomeness of the instruction and students. Only the unscrupulous, underhanded and morally questionable behaviour of the management.
Jorge Britti / April 2, 2013 at 08:33 pm
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The only privilege at my academy is the privilege that you earn.

I feel that because of certain recent events and accusations I should say something about some of the things that I care about most in my life. The particular aspects of my life that I want to discuss are my Jiu Jitsu, my team, and my beliefs.

There are no special clubs for anyone based on gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion. We are all flawed human beings and we are all trying to struggle our own way to make ourselves better; special recognition is given to those who have demonstrated their passion for the martial art and their desire to be a better person. I also try to take into account everyone’s personal struggles outside the academy because we don’t all enjoy the same privileges. Maybe you have to work many hours and have a family, maybe you’re poor, maybe you’re rich. These things can affect how often you can train, and I understand this.

I want to be very clear – I try my best to treat everyone equally. I don’t care what your background is, what gender you are, whether you are gay or straight, or what country you’re from. We have at the academy people from all backgrounds, and with the love and respect I have for my Jiu Jitsu, I want to make sure that everyone gets the best possible training. The only difference occurs with how much a person is willing to give back to jiu jitsu through their training and their passion. I don’t look at the clothes they wear, where they come from, or what colour their skin is. What I look at is how much they want to learn and their behavior on the mats.

When we put on the gi we are all part of the same family. We look at each other across the mats and the important difference is the technique and the knowledge we've obtained through hard work. Some people might find my classes strict because I discourage talking during class…you can socialize and discuss things before and after class – while you’re on the mats I want to make sure that you learn and grow as much as possible. This is also being considerate to those in the class who are there to learn.

At my jiu jitsu academy everyone has two main responsibilities – the first is to improve themselves as a martial artist and as a person. The second responsibility is to be the best training partner they can be for everyone else. My personal responsibility is to do the best I can to facilitate the environment for this to happen, and to be there for when students have difficulties.

I can’t be the best instructor for everyone; that is an impossible task. What I can do though is try my best to spread the knowledge that has been passed down to me and refined in my own humble experiences.

With respect to my beliefs – you can be Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, or Christian – I don’t care and I have never desired to convert anyone. I have great respect and love for all of the people and on the few occasions I mention my faith, I am always quick to add that it applies only to me. If I share how thankful I am to Jesus for his part in my life I am only expressing how grateful I am for all of the wonderful things I have experienced. I don’t think that everyone should think the same way, and I don’t want force everyone to become Christian like myself. Maybe everyone should be grateful though – if you’re Muslim be grateful to Allah, if you’re Hindu be grateful to Vishnu, if you’re Atheist you can be grateful for the only life you have.

I want to end this by saying that I love and respect everyone, and that when you come to my academy with a desire to learn, that is all I care about. I will do what I can to support your journey regardless of your background – the only warning I provide is that it will be hard work (no matter who you are).
Anonymous / April 2, 2013 at 11:31 pm
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Really Jorge?
A press release?
We both know you didn't write this.
Jorge / April 3, 2013 at 01:27 am
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Yes I don't , but that's what I want
Unless you want me to write in Portuguese ;)
Anonymous I don't know who you are but
anonymous ....???
Sorry
You're better than this ....
Able / April 3, 2013 at 09:16 am
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Hey Jorge if its your jujitsu your teaching maybe you can lower the price for the year.You know for people who want to learn and work hard.
Able / April 3, 2013 at 09:19 am
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You did say its your academy.
Praying / April 3, 2013 at 09:40 am
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Jorge why don't you leave Toronto bjj and open your own club right in the heart of Portugal Toronto. I know alot of people that would join if you did, c'mon man Josh is only hurting you and the club it's time to spread your teachings else where.IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME.
Surprised replying to a comment from Praying / April 3, 2013 at 11:01 am
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Agree 100% with the above, although I'd vote for east side rather than Little Portugal...
Idea / April 3, 2013 at 12:06 pm
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Everyone that had a problem epithet Toronto bjj and more specifically Josh should contact the Ribberio association who they represent and let them know what's happening at the club and that Jorge should have his own club.
Idea / April 3, 2013 at 12:13 pm
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Josh is only disrespecting the association with his business practices and attitude towards people in the bjj community.The fact that josh went to a Lloyd Irvin seminar on how to rape people for there money I'd not acceptable and that and many other points will be includes in my letter to the association.I think that sailor would not appreciate what's going on.
Idea / April 3, 2013 at 12:15 pm
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Saulo Ribberio I'm sure would like to hear what's happening.
Idea / April 3, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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Apologys for the spelling errors big fingers.
Anonymous replying to a comment from Jorge / April 3, 2013 at 04:35 pm
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Way to prove you're not being childish, Jorge.
All I tried to do was point out that you have a good soul and you're letting it be clouded by your success. Oh well, keep doing what you're doing then. Ossss
I was @ TBJJ before / April 3, 2013 at 04:47 pm
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Jorge you should leave TBJJ and start your own MMA gym. I know that I would transfer gyms and so would 90% of TBJJ's current members. Then you can re-hire your buddy Edwardo (Dudu). Osss.
?????? / April 3, 2013 at 05:19 pm
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Hey last entry did they get rid of Dudu:( what happened.
?????? / April 3, 2013 at 05:21 pm
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Hey last entry did they get rid of Dudu:( what happened.
whatsgoing on? / April 3, 2013 at 05:58 pm
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Can anyone post why dudu was fired? This is the fourth causality since December. Chris,david,Donald and dudu. May be Josh is firing people alphabatically?
Livin on a prayer / April 3, 2013 at 06:03 pm
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Jorge THE LORD HAS SPOKEN TO ME AND HE SAYS TO OPEN YOUR OWN CLUB AND TO LEAVE THE DEVILS DEN THAT IS TORONTO BJJ THE LORD COMMANDS IT.
Upset / April 3, 2013 at 06:10 pm
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Josh what happened to Dudu,was he fired and for what what reason.I want a immediate answer.
Jorge / April 3, 2013 at 08:45 pm
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Loll tis blog is actually funny
Annonimous thanks for you advice
I appreciate that , I may be wrong about my post on Instagram
But it's because I still feel the pain to lost those individuals after the effort I putted on them
I guess I deserved a little bit more consideration
Maybe I'm being selfish
I don't know ...
I'm working on it
In the end I truly like them
But you right I'm a little bit childish
But no one is perfect right?
Hope one day they forgive me
Ossss
Anonymous replying to a comment from Jorge / April 3, 2013 at 09:52 pm
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Thanks Jorge, that was actually exactly the reply I wanted from you. You're a good guy, and I respect the crap out of you I just hated seeing you go down like that and seeing people talk bad on you because of a post on Instagram. You're a great teacher and a great person, stay true to that. Oss professor, I hope we can train together again someday. God bless.
Surprised / April 3, 2013 at 09:53 pm
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Right on, Jorge.

Now I hear the great person I learned to respect through the years. No one is perfect alright but we all get one step closer to it when we admit and learn from our mistakes.

Peace.
I was @ TBJJ before / April 4, 2013 at 04:14 am
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Jorge I like and respect you a lot. But I got a question that has been bugging me and some other ex members... why did you delete us off of your Facebook friends list when we left TBJJ? Is it your ego? I dont know? It kinda hurt my feelings :(
Temper / April 4, 2013 at 11:21 am
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Hey everyone if you wanna learn great Bjj from a great instructor at a reasonable price then goto Shah Franco's ,even Josh won't say shit about Shah he knows that Shah is the real deal right Josh.
Jesus4reals / April 4, 2013 at 02:01 pm
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Jorge really should open his own gym, but why would he continue to support Eduardo after the nature of his firing? Why would TBJJ hold rape/women's self defense seminars then bring in Saulo, employ Mauricio (past, obviously), and the whole situation with Eduardo (and he was warned- everyone at TBJJ knew what was going on)...all while promoting Christian ideals? Were the self defense seminars intended so that certain staff members could keep their jobs and the female students could defend themselves against their advances?
Concerned / April 4, 2013 at 04:48 pm
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Are you saying that Eduardo was fired form Toronto bjj because of harassing women,that figures he was a little greasy weasel anyway.
Ahhhhhh / April 4, 2013 at 05:01 pm
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Looks like Olympus is falling huh JOSH
my2cents / April 4, 2013 at 08:34 pm
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hey Jorge
I hear you but I feel as long as you work with Josh you will see people leaving the academy. So I dont think you should take these events personally,after all its all about $$ when it comes to Mr Josh.
The ones who left must have had strong reasons to leave TBJJ after training there for so long.
TimeToGrowUp / April 5, 2013 at 12:49 am
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Why is everyone always giving jorge a free pass on all the BS at toronto bjj? he runs the bjj program. theres nothing there he doesnt kno about. he brought dudu to toronto bjj. u dont think he didnt knew about dudu annd his tail chasin? what about puttin jhalan - who was suspended a BUNCH of times for startin fist fights at the gym with other members for no reason - in charge of teaching womens bjj? because she wins medal, he can tolerate. of course only to kick her out and erase her from pictures because she badmouthed him. if josh rapport is as bad as everyone make him out to be, why does jorge workin for him after 6 years? what does that say about him?
Time To Grow Up. stop idolizing someone just because they teach you a sport you like. toronto bjj is a great place to learn awesome bjj. jorge is probably canada's best bjj professor, hes not a role model
attbjjsince2010 / April 5, 2013 at 03:16 am
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Just adressing this point, Because it was the one I thought was the most retarded.

"favoritism - Josh and a few instructors give 85-90% of their time and dedication to the elite students. About 50% of the classes I've attended at TBJJ (which would probably be in the hundreds easily) the instructors spent in the "instructor area" of the mat, talking, laughing and making jokes at the expense of the worse students."

This is a complete lie I have been in atleast 500 classes in the last few years. No one gets 85-90 percent of Josh (josh doesnt even teach classes often) and a few insructors time and dedication. How an average scheduled class is run at toronto bjj: Line up before class, Warm up and then A technique is shown. People then go and drill that technique for 10-20 minutes. During this time jorge or the instructor might come back and adress details/mistakes that they see the class making. As well they are walking around and helping out whoever is having problems. AT no point are the instructors showing signs of favortisim to the elite students if anything the elite students are getting the less attention. After that its rolling. Also to say that 50% of the classes you attended the instructors sat on the side and talked shit at the expense of the worse students is a complete lie. If anything what ive seen more of is if a less skilled student is rolling with a more experienced student and this roll catches the eye of an insructor the less skilled student is getting the encouragement/advice from the instructor. Beginners will always get the most assistance and rightfully so, they need it the most.

OF course there are some things wrong with Toronto bjj. But no academy or person in this world is perfect.

All I Know is everyday, I see men,women,teenagers and kids training hard, enjoying themselves and getting better. Ive watched people lose weight. Iv'e watched people make huge leaps in their level of jiu jitsu. Ive watched jiu jitsu change people for the better including myself, Iv'e met some of the nicest and genuine people ive ever met. I get to learn from a great Instructor and great co instructors who really care about showing people good legit jiu jitsu.

attbjjsince2010 replying to a comment from attbjjsince2010 / April 5, 2013 at 03:20 am
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And your opinion of the academy is not going to change any of this^^
PurpleBelt / April 5, 2013 at 03:20 am
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Gotta add me two cents to this blog. ^^In regards to Jorge being the best teacher^^ Does a good teacher hold back knowledge from his loyal students? I heard form present staff and former staff that Jorge purposefully hold back BJJ techniques from students and tells BJJ coaches at his gym not to teach all techniques but to make students pay for private lessons. I believe this fact is well known at the gym by senior students and staff members. Speaking of holding back, Josh likes to hold back MMA careers of his top students and staff, and actually the whole gym. I feel sorry for all of the staff members past and present who had hopes of a MMA career. R.I.P. TBJJ
attbjjsince2010 replying to a comment from PurpleBelt / April 5, 2013 at 03:29 am
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Is showing most of the techniques that Saulo And Xande showed in a 100 dollar seminars in regular classes at a later point is holding back knowledge. Ok
Shocked / April 5, 2013 at 08:15 am
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I also heard that Roya Lohoni is gone to,her and her sister are great grapplers what the hell is going on over there.
Series / April 5, 2013 at 08:23 am
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Jorge Brito is not the best bjj professor in Canada.There are many great professors in Canada that are just as good and passionate about bjj as Jorge Brito is
wow / April 5, 2013 at 07:05 pm
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sad sad sad
Call Out / April 5, 2013 at 09:18 pm
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I would like to hear from Josh about what's happening at the club now. Josh what's going on at Toronto bjj,customers and potential customers have a right to know.
spring_cleaning / April 5, 2013 at 11:00 pm
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I guess Josh decided to do some spring cleaning at the gym and kicked out some bad eggs NOT.
PurpleBelt replying to a comment from attbjjsince2010 / April 6, 2013 at 04:54 am
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Ummm? What are you talking about? I was talking about private classes not seminars. There are techniques that Jorge holds back and tell other instructors to hold back, making people have to pay for private lessons to learn them. Even "sponsored" students/staff have expressed this to me and other TBJJ members. You say that you have been there since 2010, then you probably heard this too, or maybe people at the gym dont trust in you to tell their personal feelings? Or maybe you are really Josh? Or maybe you know what I am talking about and are playing stupid? Seems that how TBJJ staff treat people, like dummies, pressuring them to agree to absurd contracts.
Amazed / April 6, 2013 at 11:39 am
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Toronto bjj has more complaints then all the clubs combined on this blog.
BluntTruth / April 7, 2013 at 05:58 pm
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As a happy member of this gym i have to say that the pressure sales tactics overall are a huge negative. I wish Josh would see this, following LI's shady example might make you $ shortterm but breeds contempt and mistrust long term. Its embarrassing when friends are curious about joining and i cant tell them a price or how many days a week etc because its some kind of mystery..... ppl arent so dumb to not know you are feeling them out and trying to gouge every penny.

Even between longtime members the subject of price is often lied or not talked about. How can one friend tell another he is paying $120 unlimited while that friend pays $150 2 days a week? When i joined prices were transparent, thankfully, or i likely wouldnt have joined.


As far as ppl speaking ill of Jorge or saying he plays favorites or doesnt show all techniques..... this is all laughable garbage. Jorge is the reason for TBJJs success and if Josh were smart he would hold onto him for as long as possible because with the tactics he employs he wont have a business the day Jorge leaves.


There is still time to change. The gym has amazing BJJ instructors and students. Josh just needs to wake up and dump the crappy LI marketing/sales scheme.
Maldek / April 7, 2013 at 06:31 pm
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That gym is falling apart ever since Dudu was fired by Josh.
PurpTheDerp / April 7, 2013 at 06:47 pm
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The real deal is Dudu and Jorge should just start their own gym. 80%+ of the BJJ students would follow. Of course Josh in his business greed would try to make it impossible for anybody to quit without jumping thru hoops, paying months they dont go for and finally getting collection agencies after them if they dont. Automatic renewal and all the sleezy scams.
PurpTheDerp / April 7, 2013 at 07:16 pm
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If you really want to send Josh a big message, email Saulo Ribiero about the sleeze tactics and arrogance. Josh might get mouthy/arrogant with most but not with Saulo.
PurpleBelt / April 9, 2013 at 02:59 am
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Jorge and Dudu most likely are not allowed under Josh's contract to open another gym in Toronto. Josh tried to do use that exact contract stipulation on the owner of my gym. Josh not only pushes sneaky contracts on to potential students, but also to instructors as well. "If you have to ask the price, then you can't afford it" - TBJJ's Motto
uberpinscher replying to a comment from PurpleBelt / April 9, 2013 at 10:39 am
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These posts never cease to amaze me. Every few weeks another 20 posts.

Anyways, no place is perfect. Some of the criticisms here are laughable though - Jorge is "hiding" secret techniques? That is the most retarded thing I have hear all week. Is this a mcdojo? No.

You get better by building a proper foundation, putting in the mat time, being dedicated, getting up when you fall down, thinking of the mechanics (how, why, when something works) and build off it. We go over a huge range of stuff and I am constantly impressed with all the details he (and the other guys) go over with us.

This isn't a hollywood movie - you really think there is some secret moves that are the key to the supposed secret group's success? There are so many killers at TBJJ with completely different styles. Do you think they are pining at home about the secret exploding five point palm technique that Jorge wouldn't teach them?

What do you really think goes on in a private lesson? Some crazy transfer of "dark art" knowledge? Its a lesson. You work on stuff.

You know how to get better? TRAIN and stop the whining. This place is like a freaking hen house I swear. In fact - we are told all the time to bring up any stuff we want him to go over more. That being said, a foundation of proper BJJ is not built off of a bunch of silly techniques patched together - you need the movement, the transition, the timing, understanding of what to chain, what to have in your back pocket, how to alter, how to bail...

LMFAO - yes - purchase 10 private lessons and we will teach you a secret arm lock from the roleta sweep! it will revolutionize your game! I'm sire the 100 submissions you have memorized form youtube and drilled 8 times each are all so sharp and tight.

Price check / April 9, 2013 at 10:50 am
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Toronto bjj should have specials and sales on there memberships,alot of other clubs do that.
Jim / April 9, 2013 at 01:37 pm
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I've been following these comments on and off for the past few months and I'm fascinated by them. The vitriol is incredible. Anyway, I though I'd add my two cents worth.

I'm one of the original Toronto Bjj members. I believe I attended the first class ever, back when Leo and Wagnney were teaching. In fact, I remember dropping by for a pre-opening meeting before the mats were even rolled out. Things sure have changed, but even in the early days you had to take the bad with the good.

So let's start with the good. The facility itself was decent. Sure the change rooms were small and somewhat grungy and the renovations were slipshod, but there was a ton of mat space. In 2005, if you wanted a club that could comfortably accommodate 40-60 students at a time, you'd have to go outside the downtown core to find it. If you stayed in the city, you'd be taking your lessons in some cramped basement, rolling into your training partners even if there were only ten of you on the floor. Toronto BJJ changed that.

Apart from the large training area, the prices were far and away the best in the city. A twelve months membership with unlimited classes morning, noon and night, seven days a week ran to $900. If you were a 911 responder or involved in law enforcement it was even cheaper. That price held for as long as I attended the academy, until Jorge's arrival.

The most attractive thing about the place, however, was the quality of the teachers Josh brought in. In my time there I encountered Leo Santos, Wagnney Fabiano, Cesar Rezek (good, good teacher), Roger Gracie (a free two-day seminar for members), Bibiano Fernandes, Ricardo Migliarese, the Ribeiro brothers (the best classes I've ever had) and, of course, Kareem, whose idiosyncratic approach to teaching I always appreciated. Gee, there were a few others, but you get the idea. Josh brought in the best.

Unfortunately, bringing in the best and holding onto the best are two different things. There's just something about Josh that makes him incapable of holding onto such great teachers for any length of time. The club was a revolving door of guest instructors and short-time instructors the entire time I was there. It just got too frustrating for me to continue going, even with his amazing prices and his amazing schedule. What's more, the partings were always so acrimonious. Josh could never really take the high road.

Once a teacher left Toronto BJJ he went from being a great guy - the absolute best - to just another mediocrity. Leo Santos was belittled for not being tough enough for MMA after a knockout loss. His brother Wagnney was said too be old and ineffective without the aid of steroids. Another guest instructor - one who didn't show enough interest in taking over teaching duties after Cesar left - was dismissed as a guy who was often sick because he, too, abused steroids. When Cesar opened his own school, Josh hired a private investigator to photograph every student who went there. If you were a Toronto BJJ student and you dropped by Cesar's club, you were photographed and received a lifetime ban from Toronto BJJ. Some guys were banned just for dropping by to wish Cesar well. Eyebrow raising stuff, for sure.

On top of the revolving door and the nastiness there were all sorts of other annoying things. The school became a victim of its own success in a way. There were always a number of newbies in every class. This in itself wasn't a bad thing. The lifeblood of any academy is new and eager students. Problem was (and maybe still is) that Josh wasn't too fussy about who he let in and didn't do a good enough job of monitoring the new guys. During my time there, I was frequently thumbed, punched, butted and kneed (almost unconscious) by idiots who had no business practicing martial arts anywhere. Sure, you're going to get a little banged up doing this sort of thing, but I've been to other clubs and never experienced the level of recklessness I experienced at Toronto BJJ. One guy, as a result of being power-bombed, sustained a neck injury that nearly paralyzed him. He no longer practices. This sort of nonsense should never happen anywhere, and doesn't happen in a properly run gym.

What else can I say? Well, if you're interested in bjj, keep in mind that this is a serious competition club. Josh wants to win all the medals. If you go here, you will experience a level of intensity you won't experience at other schools. Be prepared for a beatdown. I'm not saying the competition team guys will break your bones - they won't - but they won't necessarily play nice, either. Remember, they want to win. If you're looking for recreational rolling, match up with like-minded people. Or find another club.

If you mix it up with the more serious competitors you may be rolling with someone who has become seriously strong through the use of PEDs. Back in the early days, when the front desk was on the second floor, I often saw internet printouts outlining the types of steroids to use when competing, the proper way to inject them and how to cycle on and off without being caught. They were just lying around casually for anyone to see. Some of the competition team guys were very knowledgeable about steroids and, maybe not surprisingly, got very strong in very short periods of time. Guys who were weak as shit in January would be baby bulls by March. Not to paint everybody with the same brush, there were some guys who never touched the stuff. The judo teacher comes to mind as well as Neil (think that's his name - tall rake-thin kid).

As an aside, does anyone know what happened to the judo guy? I see Robert Currie is still listed as an instructor but I don't see Judo on the schedule anymore. He was a great teacher. Integrity in a gi. Did he ever fight MMA?

Recently I've been thinking about giving bjj another shot. I won't be going back to Toronto BJJ, though. Hell, I don't know where I'll be going. The sport has sunk as the prices have risen. Have all the academies become overrun by con artists, Hell's Angels and rapehounds?
PurpleBelt replying to a comment from uberpinscher / April 10, 2013 at 04:13 am
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Josh? Is that you? Actually Josh, I heard this with my own ears from a staff member from your gym and also a from a student. I might have heard it from an ex-staff member too. Oh you want me to buy 10 private classes? I heard with my own ears, (Actually is was via Facebook message) that TBJJ has a bad habit of forgetting paid private lessons. Like if you pay for 10 and only get to do 7 or 8 of them. Actually hold on let me try to find the exact FB message... Yep. I quoted the person correctly. I heard someone left the gym or something like that after they heard someone (Jorge possibly 99% sure) tell teachers not to teach all the techniques. Do I really have to ask people who said this. I was told this I think in think in November, very casually. I was told very recently by a person, high ranking on the competition team, that they feel Jorge does not teach all the techniques. And because of this they are feeling to train somewhere else. I dont even go to this gym and I know more about its internal politics than you do Josh? Jorge, open your own gym. There are many people that are willing to sponsor you and invest in your own gym. Seems Josh's bad spirits are wearing off on you.
uberpinscher replying to a comment from PurpleBelt / April 10, 2013 at 09:10 am
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Hi Purplebelt,

Sorry, let me restart this - I don't mean to come across obnoxious or anything. All I was trying to convey is that anyone who would be concerned about not learning secret moves has their priorities in the wrong place. There are world class BJJ legends that use nothing but basic BJJ. I am more interested in concepts, why something works, how it works, and making it work in different situations.

That being said, depending on when you come in, you will likely see different types of techniques. With all the technical detail, variations, movement, drills, etc... that we do, I can't imagine someone having a beef based off of secret moves.

People should try to focus on the techniques in class - how many students let the techniques go in one ear and out the other, day in and day out, just waiting to roll and "do their thing". These people are the same ones who roar and grunt in frustration while rolling or get mad when Jorge doesn't teach some wonky rubber guard move of the week.

Why should or would he teach "all things"? "Things" take time... a martial artist is not built on demand - the student can't just shout out techniques and expect to understand and learn all the stuff required to utilize it.

I have no interest in bad mouthing others. I have no involvement in any way shape or form in the inner/outter politics. I just can't believe that the thing we all care about (amazing BJJ, learning, training, over coming adversity, improving ourselves) have taken a back seat to all this crazed bickering.

Its so transparent - "dont go to TBJJ, they don't teach you all of BJJ" - even typing that out makes me tired - The people who train at TBJJ and are committed build a proper foundation and have quality technical BJJ. Anyone who thinks they would be missing out on something technique-wise has their priorities in the wrong place IMO.

Anyways, I don't know how else to say it and honestly, offending anyone that is trying to be constructive is not my intention. I think people just need to step back and relax. Clearly the big school here is getting ragged on. It isn't perfect, Josh is a dick and the school is run by and populated by real, imperfect individuals who have (for the most part) passion and skill for BJJ.
Wandering Samurai / April 10, 2013 at 02:26 pm
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Long time reader first time poster.

I trained at Toronto BJJ for several years and I just got sick of the "Joshiness" of the gym.
Over the years the atmosphere of the gym has deteriorated. Where once the gym was a fun place to train I find that it was no longer the case.
I left the gym about a year back and I tried out Xtreme Couture. I found the gym to be lacking in all aspects of martial arts. It seemed to have lost all its best instructors and replaced them with hacks.
I'm thinking of trying out Empire or Open Mat - at least I heard that both gyms have a more positive and relaxed atmosphere.
JK / April 11, 2013 at 02:28 am
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Interesting read...looks like Toronto BJJ is out for me, too.

I'd appreciate recommendations for a good gym teaching 5-10 years-old with a solid focus on community.

Cheers!
Thought / April 11, 2013 at 10:58 am
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Just a thought but is it possible that maybe the reason Josh hiked the prices so high is because Jorge Brito is asking for so much and Josh has to give it to him because if he doesn't Jorge will leave and take all his student.
Melissa / April 11, 2013 at 09:32 pm
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Wow! All I can say is I trained on and off for 5 years at TBJJ (I am no longer there) and I have nothing but good things to say about Josh. He may rub people the wrong way sometimes but his heart is in the right place and well yes of course he wants your money he is running a business, but he is also one of the most generous people I have ever met in my life. Both to his team and to his friends.
Melissa / April 11, 2013 at 09:35 pm
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I also have to admit I didn't read everything cause life is too short to argue on the internet.
Ouch / April 12, 2013 at 09:12 am
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Uh oh.... Run for cover Melissa...
Bruhaha / April 12, 2013 at 01:54 pm
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There seems to be a mass exodus of females from TBJJ. That's a warning sign right there.
Haha / April 12, 2013 at 09:16 pm
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Don't worry ladies it's save to train at the club now Dudu is gone.
Wonder / April 12, 2013 at 09:19 pm
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Can any members at Toronto Bjj telle how's the noon class now,is it still real busy around how many have a lot of people really left?
AnthonyB / April 13, 2013 at 02:05 pm
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I trained at TBJJ for 2 years, made plenty of friends and grew as a BJJ player. The instruction is great and the people are awesome. I have nothing bad to say about Jorge or any other instructors/employees. All good people and even though I dont train there anymore, I still consider them my friends.
purplebelt replying to a comment from Melissa / April 14, 2013 at 07:36 pm
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wow. I doubt you would say those nice things about Josh if you had heard what he has been saying since you left for the direct competition or when you were at TLI.

Melissa replying to a comment from purplebelt / April 14, 2013 at 08:09 pm
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I don't have a problem with Josh, I didn't leave tbjj because of him so my comments remain firm. He gave me and has given all the competitors opportunities that changed my life for the better, I never would be world champion without him and he supported my best friend in her weakest moments. I'm not petty to turn and rage like a crazy person if I hear some rumor someone is talking about me, it doesn't change the true experiences I've had with him and they have been positive.
Shout out / April 17, 2013 at 03:48 pm
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Hey Melissa you are a world champion,you think you could recommend a club for us beginners besides toronto bjj.
MT Obsessed / April 19, 2013 at 06:57 pm
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After reading through more of the comments since I left mine way back it sounds like Josh's business practices are still "suspect." Unfortunately, he's still in business.
Melissa replying to a comment from Shout out / April 20, 2013 at 04:44 pm
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Hi! I honestly recommend you try out the free trials at all the gyms near you (or far if you don't mind commuting), most gyms offer 30 day free trials tbjj included. You will be encouraged to sign early for a better price but take your time, use the full trial and get a feel for the gym as best you can. There is no such thing as a perfect gym, you have to see what will fit for you (which may be different then for me or who ever) consider things like, do you want to compete or just learn as a hobby, do you also want access to other arts such at striking, wrestling, judo, do you want access to weights and fitness classes or are you just looking for bjj. Good luck :) Just do a google search for 30 day free trial bjj Toronto and there are lots to chose from.
Curious / April 20, 2013 at 05:51 pm
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If you didn't leave bacause of josh, Melissa. Why did you leave?
Rich / April 21, 2013 at 02:29 am
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I don't usually comment on BlogTO, but I have been following these comments for quite sometime and I feel I should give my two-cents.

First off, I am currently a student a TBJJ, I had began my Jiu Jitsu journey with them, left the province for a bit and trained elsewhere, but now I'm back at TBJJ... however, I won't be there much longer as my contract expires fairly soon, and I have no intention of renewing.

That being said, there are many positive things about the gym, such as the quality of training, a wide and flexible schedule, and great instructors. For the most part, other lower level students and beginners are pretty welcoming for the most part, so when I began I didn't feel entirely out of place or unwanted. Jorge, Tommy, Nacho, Mike, Chi Chi and others are all top-notch instructors with an incredible understanding of the martial art with plenty of experience to share with students, so there is definitely no better credentials in the city if that matters to you when choosing a school to train at. I don't regret my time there, as I learned a lot and made a few friends along the way.

However, there are plenty of negatives, many of which, to me at least, outweigh the positives, among the worst of which is the curent atmosphere of the gym. Again, this is just personal perspective, but this gym seems to value competitors and competitors only. If you feel you can aspire to be the next Pan-Am or World champ, Josh and Jorge will welcome you with open arms, but if not, they'll gladly take your tuition fees, but don't expect a second look from them afterwards. My experience with the gym has been very impersonal on part both Jorge and Josh, which hurts me to say because I can tell Jorge is a genuinely nice person, and he cares very deeply about the martial art, but as a dedicated student of his, he hasn't looked twice my way outside of class or even when I attempt to get feedback or advice from in an attempt to achieve my goals as a future competitor (when I first competed last year, Jorge or any other instructor was nowhere to be found when I was fighting). Josh is much worse, as he pretends to be extremely friendly and genuine during the sales pitch, but won't remember you from the next guy as soon as you hand over the $1200+ in tuition fees (like I said, I've been a student there for over a year, reached blue belt, and train roughly 4-5 times a week and just the other day he couldn't recall my name), and he does have a tendency of speaking behind peoples backs. Noticing this trend, I've observed the distinct difference in the way the comp team is treated as opposed to the regular members, and it is staggering: often comp team members are greeted to class very warmly, all have nicknames etc etc, but when a regular student is trying to be friendly or personable at the very least, they are given plastic smiles and rushed along. Whether or not this is intentional, it hurts the vibe of the gym. And I recognize that the comp team guys are the ones that put the gym on the map, but they represent such a small portion of tuition fees, so it seems bizarre to me that regular members, who are easily the ones keeping TBJJ in business, appear to be slightly marginalized. This is all quite ironic given that TBJJ advertises itself as being a 'family'... it's simply not true, unless you're deeply rooted in the comp team. Forgive if this seems a little too sensitive, but I feel that anyone who pays over a grand a year for 30 min of technique a day should garner the same amount of respect as everyone else in the gym. And lately there seems to be a lot of bizarre internal politics leading to an exodus of top talent from the gym, as surely Melissa may (or may not) attest to.

Josh's business practices are a little unethical or murky, but not criminal as some have suggested. When I got the pitch I noticed it was incredibly steep for what was being offerred, but knowing TO's reputation for being overly expensive with its services, I just accepted that as the norm. However, after about 2 months he pulled me into his office for a meeting where he tried to get me to sign up for a further year because he was planning a 10% "tuition increase" and if I decided to sign up for more time I'd be privy to the original price as well as a discount on private lessons with Jorge... at that point I declined and left with a bad taste in my mouth. It was very high pressure, even after I had signed months before, and I don't know whther or not the increase actually went ahead, as I declined his offer. I'm glad I did (I currently pay around 175/month... anything more for what is offerred is pretty outrageous).

If you're a serious competitor that wants to make a career out of BJJ, TBJJ is probably you're best choice, but if you're like the vast majority of the public that practice for exercise, self-defence, recreation, and the occasional tourney, I'd look elsewhere. There are cheaper options that offer quality instruction as well as a MUCH wider variety of martial arts. I've chosen another gym with just as solid an emphasis on pure BJJ, but with the option of several other complimentary disciplines, and I don't regret it one bit.

Again, that is just my personal experience with the gym and some of the instructors, so ask someone else and you may get a different story altogether.
Rich replying to a comment from Haha / April 21, 2013 at 02:38 am
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Why did he leave? His departure was announced, but the reason was due to "unforeseen circumstances" or something.
Melissa replying to a comment from Rich / April 21, 2013 at 12:34 pm
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If you are training where I am come say hi! Sounds like you might be :)
shout out / April 21, 2013 at 08:35 pm
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to train at the other place you better have a big wallet. it is even more than TBJJ
Skeletons / April 22, 2013 at 12:35 am
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Thats not even the half. Sex, lies and video tape going on at TBJJ. Right, Melissa?? Dont think your closet is void of TBJJ skeletons.
Melissa / April 22, 2013 at 09:49 am
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Very true, I don't know anyone whose life doesn't have "skeletons", although my only videos are of tournaments thankfully :)
Rich replying to a comment from shout out / April 22, 2013 at 08:37 pm
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I don't know about that. I pay roughly the same amount per month I did at TBJJ but I get access to more than just BJJ (Judo, wrestling, and Muay Thai), plus a weight/conditioning area I can use whenever classes aren't going on. I don't want to sound like a commercial, but it was actually one of the main reasons I chose that spot as my new gym; it's awesome that I don't have to get my conditioning outside of where I train my martial arts, saves me from having to go to some spot like Xtreme Fitness and pay an extra gym fee on top.

Oh, and the people were way friendlier. I immediately noticed a more welcoming and enjoyable vibe from this gym.
Please / April 24, 2013 at 03:59 pm
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Toronto bjj for the love of god please please please update your web site let people know what's going on.
Casey / April 29, 2013 at 12:50 pm
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I've been training at TBJJ for several months now. Just a student. Toronto BJJ is a good gym. Great, even. My technique has improved leaps and bounds since I started, along with my confidence and overall fitness level as well.

The gym carries a positive and respectful atmosphere, I've made a few very good friends and that says a lot. I always look forward to my training, which has substantiated into the better part of my life.

Many of these reviews clearly show personal wrong doings. This is very unfortunate, and something we can all relate to I'm sure - to hear a personal experience is more revealing than a brand and a website.

Much of whats being said seems focused on Josh, and more particularly happenings of the past. We all make mistakes in life, fortunately life is a journey we take in stride. We overcome our obstacles to become better people.

My initial impressions of Josh were heavily influenced by the gossip and hear say, such as you see here. Generally speaking, however, gossip is just that (especially on the internet) - and not necessarily truth, so you shouldn't take it as such.

My personal dealings of Josh are as follows - I was very bummed out one time when I hadn't made grading for the level that I wanted and felt I deserved. In hindsight, I shouldn't have let it effect me as profoundly as I did at the time. However, then, I was quite discouraged.

Josh went out of his way to reconcile and help me, without any propagation on my part. I certainly didn't ask for his help. I did, however, very much appreciate it. So, this is actually a very selfless thing for Josh to have done. I do feel that his advice attributed in helping me to overcome my discouragements. Considering the implications of how much my training means to me, this was just the right thing, at the right time.

That story told, you can belittle his character to me all you want, because from my personal experience, he does care - about his students, and Toronto BJJs members. If all he cared about was the paycheque, he could have easily let my membership renewal roll around and subjected me to the sales tactics.

That is my only gripe. The sales tactics are very clearly meant to pressure you. 2 weeks into my 30 day trial, they'll be on your case. This is just the wrong approach for a positive business image, evidently. Short term gain is a poor business model, when in the long term you establish a negative report in the community. I think, that they should update their website and post costs. Complete transparency would be a much better approach - and let the gym sell itself.

It does, just - be careful of the sales tactics. I can say I've gotten my moneys worth, possibly the best I've ever spent - but nobody wants to be pressured into such an investment. Just not cool.

Toronto BJJ has definitely helped me to overcome many obstacles - and helped me to build a foundation for a better future. I may move on some day, but it is a very good gym, and I love my training - in the best shape of my life so far. Its a family friendly, safe and positive learning environment. I recommend it, just hold onto your wallet when they lock you in the office.
Alex Greene / April 29, 2013 at 07:33 pm
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I am currently looking to join an MMA gym and was seriously considering TBJJ until I started doing some research.

First, the fact that the club isn't upfront about membership pricing is plain sleazy sales tactic. And no, the fact that some other gyms employ it, doesn't make it any less sleazy.

Second, the atmosphere, respect and professionalism are supremely important. Based on all the feedback I've read, both positive and negative, it appears that TBJJ has some serious issues it needs to address.

I wish luck to the club and to all current/former students. I'll be taking my business elsewhere.
MMA replying to a comment from Alex Greene / May 1, 2013 at 03:29 pm
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I dont think TBJJ is a MMA gym anymore. I think they focus 95% on BJJ. What area do you live in, I can refer you some other gyms. In that are there is Openmat.ca and Empire MMA. Openmat is more established but Empire is newer, cheaper and a little more one on one. Oss.
muaythai / May 2, 2013 at 05:30 am
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TBJJ is a BJJ gym with muay thai ( they like to call it kick boxing now ) on the side. I guess the Henry H$$FT seminar was a failure and hence Joshi has made it mandatory for Kick boxing students to attend the seminar if they want to spar. A guy will fly into toronto, judge your skills in 10 minutes and announce the verdict whether you are spar worthy or not. Thats utter bull !! Isnt the purpose of any martial art to learn how to spar or fight and to defend yourself. So if you didnt or dont attend his grading ceremony, you may never be able to learn how to defend yourself.
@MMA i agree with you. TBJJ and Openmat compete with each other regarding pricing and who can milk more $$ out of a customer. @Alex Greene there are many other places with decent striking and grappling martial arts. I would take my business elsewhere as well.
Samuel Ng / May 7, 2013 at 09:29 am
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Agenda much mma and mt?
Jason Sanchez / May 7, 2013 at 10:10 am
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Read all this. Looks like Toronto BJJ might be best. All the other schools are afraid of them and ganged up together.
John replying to a comment from Jason Sanchez / May 9, 2013 at 12:10 am
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haha, no. It's TBJJ's awful business practices and poor atmosphere is finally catching up with it. Notice all the posts from current/former students?

How's "hustling on the streets making paper" going?
Toronto BJJ / May 10, 2013 at 01:34 am
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While we disagree with most of the negative comments on here, we will be making a few changes to serve our current and future students better.

1) We will be posting some pricing information online, so
that people can assess prior to trying our classes whether
or not they will be able to afford any of our services.

2) We have already revamped our sales process, and no longer
tolerate the use of high pressure sales tactics (this has
been the case since January).

3) We will be announcing new membership discounts shortly.

John replying to a comment from Toronto BJJ / May 14, 2013 at 07:17 pm
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And it only took a mass exodus of students to get you to attempt an honest business model. Congrats?
Toronto BJJ / May 15, 2013 at 09:51 am
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There has not been a mass exodus of students, that's just some of the misinformation that has been posted here.
Toronto BJJ / May 17, 2013 at 05:05 pm
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LOL Jorge teaches here full time. But way to try to use the fact that he and his wife just had their first child. More rumours.

We encourage our students and instructors to spread their wings. So far none of our recent instructors have set up their own gyms (with the exception of Mauricio Veio) but one of our students John Stephen has an awesome place in Aurora. Within a year and a bit from now Ryan, who is getting married soon, will have his own spot a couple hours outside of Toronto.

Bodrug trains from time to time at our North York location, and Donald is planning to pop by soon, after having returned from some extensive travelling. Chris Sit still trains here too when time permits.

Who is the us ? :)





Answer / May 18, 2013 at 12:10 pm
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How much is it for the year 3 months 6 months still waiting for answers.
@Answer replying to a comment from Answer / May 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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"If you have to ask how much it costs, then you cannot afford it".
Tbjj lover / May 18, 2013 at 09:23 pm
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Less than $600 for six months when discounts and gear are considered. Its on their site.
Reg replying to a comment from Tbjj lover / May 18, 2013 at 09:45 pm
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That's not true at all. I paid almost $1000 for 6 months of training.
Answer / May 18, 2013 at 09:59 pm
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I would like TBJJ to answer the question HOW MUCH?
Tbjj lover / May 18, 2013 at 10:38 pm
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Reg did you get gear with that? And did you join the "Early Bird" program thing? I think that last part is new.
??? / May 19, 2013 at 09:04 am
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$600 before or after the HST?
true / May 19, 2013 at 07:34 pm
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Nobody wants those crappy OTM carpets and a cheap gym bag. F "taking into account our overpriced gear" marketing scheme. Just give a real price.

Also i wonder what the chumps paying 180 a month are thinking now?? lol. Shady ass Josh and his LI tactics. Never can just be a straight shooter. Over time you just lose respect like that.
Tbjj lover / May 20, 2013 at 11:37 am
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Toronto BJJ won the Ontario Open and one of their members just won an amateur Mma title in Montreal.
Reg replying to a comment from Tbjj lover / May 22, 2013 at 02:49 pm
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Yeah, I got a free OTM gi with it and a free month, but to my knowledge that's pretty standard. I had the gold unlimited BJJ package, so maybe you signed up for a different program?
Leon replying to a comment from Toronto BJJ / June 15, 2013 at 03:47 pm
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We're still waiting for the price update.. Nothing on the website hasn't seemed to change either.

I know quite a few people (including myself) who have given up on Toronto BJJ because of their notorious reputation of sleazy sales tactics and false marketing EVEN BEFORE stepping into their gym.

You guys do realize that more and more customers in Toronto realize how dishonest you are and are moving to other places with more reasonable deals right?
i.e. Siam No 1 muay thai offers a special deal now for like 63.75$/month unlimited for students and they have WORLD champions training there..

If you're looking for BJJ specifically, might want to try Toronto NoGi, Innercity MMA (taught by 3rd degree blackbelt). Probably will want to stay away from OpenMat since they are just as deceiving and even more expensive than TorontoBJJ.

The whole atmosphere of BJJ/MMA in Toronto is disgusting. Literally a few yrs ago these places charged less than or around 100$/month for unlimited training. Now suddenly they realized how popular the sport has grown and have all agreed to jack up the prices to double the amount and reduce the amount of classes you can take.
StarvingMartialArtist / June 19, 2013 at 02:11 pm
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I just find it cheaper to just watch Youtube videos and then practice the moves on my little sister. I think I must be at least a brown belt by now. Does anybody have Dana Whites email address? I think I am ready for Anderson Silva.
HonestCritic / June 21, 2013 at 12:47 am
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its a great place to train but the instructors need to stop with this being on the phone half the class stuff that has been going on lately. They wouldnt like it if the students did it so they should step up and NEVER be on the phone while teaching a class.

That is just a recent trend but besides that TBJJ is as good as its gets for competitive BJJ in Toronto.
JDK / June 21, 2013 at 02:03 am
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I do acknowledge that TorontoBJJ has very strong competitive accomplishments and that Jorge Britto is a top notch instructor.

However, many martial arts students are catching on to dishonest sales tactics and are moving elsewhere. (i.e. I know quite a few people at my club that have migrated from TBJJ).

Look how many people are turning away from trying Toronto BJJ (a club with amazing students and instructors) just because of the negative stuff they hear about it from sites like these (also sherdog), etc. You guys are actually losing money with your sales tactics.

At the end of the day the Harvard business model on trust and transparency exists for a reason. If you are a sound and reasonable businessman, then I suggest you take this into consideration:

"The truth is that transparency is something that a company mostly controls and that mostly reassures its customers. By giving people a window into its workings, a company can show it has a sound process that it’s adhering to. It can avoid asking customers to have faith in a black box. The greater the transparency, in other words, the greater the trust." - Harvard Business Review
Jason / June 21, 2013 at 02:42 am
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Looks like they now agrees with you JDK. http://torontobjj.com/buyNow.cfm
Interested / June 21, 2013 at 10:27 am
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Anyone know off the top the membership per year?
Doug replying to a comment from Interested / June 21, 2013 at 01:38 pm
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@ Interested they still don't have all the price options listed but they did put $1160 to $1427 on the web. Same link as Jason put up.
Habaneros / June 22, 2013 at 05:13 am
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Amazing...I've never seen an owner (who is also a BJJ brown belt) try to defend his gym from a bunch of online bloggers as hard as this Josh guy...just goes to show you what really matters to these guys...how many people walk in through the door everyday. I've been training in MMA for about 9 years now, Im a purple belt under a 7th degree black belt from brazil, I've trained in Brazil, Canada, USA, UK, Ireland, Abu Dhabi, Lebanon, Jordan, Trinidad, Russia, Thailand and the Philippines (and competed in every single one of those countries.) SO..when it comes to BJJ/MMA gyms, ive been around quite a few. I went to try out TorontoBJJ and like many of the complaints here, i couldn't get any kind of useful information through the phone, which is really weird, because if you cant give information over a phone you are simply a moron. and sometimes that its all it takes for me not to go try something out, but I hadnt trained in a few months and the jits itch was getting the better of me. So, against my better judgement I went to Toronto BJJ, and was welcomed at the front desk by 3 athletic looking guys, and one..mm..not so athletic looking dude (which is totally cool till what happens next.) I literally stand there for about 2 minutes until any of them decided to interact with me (and it was that dude.) To my amazement, he introduced himself as the owner of the gym and a brown belt...and then he went on this arrogant, show-offish rant about shogun and ribiero (pointing to their pictures and referring to them as this guy and this guy.) all the while, he wasnt really looking at me, more like reading the typical speech he makes when anyone walks in. He didnt ask if i had previous experience, didnt ask how i heard about the place...just generally was not showing any kind of interest in his potential client/student. I asked if i could try out a BJJ class and they said sure here is the schedule. I looked at it and asked if i could try out the advanced BJJ class, IMMEDIATELY he turned and said no...without asking anything about my previous experience. I told him that I was belted and he said 'oh you'll have to go there and we'll see if you're good enough (mind you it wasnt in those exact words but thats exactly what he meant AND STILL HASNT ASKED ME ANYTHING.) Okay..so so far its not that bad really...anyway i go in to try out the class with Jorge (who btw is a world class instructor, simply working with the wrong people) and while waiting for the class before the BJJ one to end, I was watching through the mirror/window thing they have up there, and in the reflection behind me i saw 3 of their high level guys (2 blue belts and 1 purple belt) smiling and nodding and pointing at me with my back turned in a 'fresh meat' kind of thing. (They knew i was new because I had my own gyms patch on the back of the gi.) Now i totally understand excitement about new competition, i understand, i really do. But that does not sound like the warm, welcoming, fuzzy environment these folks are constantly trying to advertise....and it wasnt. If you are from another gym and you are proud of showing it, these guys will have a problem with it. Despite my respect for Jorge as a BJJ fighter and instructor, I was really disappointed when he asked me to take of my Gi, or replace the patch with a TBJJ one, AND then the guys at the door told me i had to buy a Gi from there for like 150 dollars or something??? I also tried some of their muay thai classes, and Josh is right, its good for exercise, if you're looking to do something fantastic in the worst way possible...their technique is simply awful but hats off for trying, hopefully it works out. Now, i did the class (which was good, but way too many people (and that was the 'smaller' advanced class) and i said thank you and all and ill consider it, then i went and asked for the prices and literally dropped my pants right there on the front desk and dropped one. No i didn't do that, but i really wanted to, because with all the horrible treatment they gave me i thought at least they wont be that expensive because they have a goddamned army of people in there...alas i was wrong again. Luckily I found a much more affordable gym that has everything TBJJ offers but without the thievery. Honestly, TBJJ, you should be ashamed of the way you treat your loyal students. Personal review conclusion: you will likely regret going here...especially if you are allergic to being ripped off, being uncomfortable, being constantly pushed to buy things you dont need, and finally to a certain snobbishness that makes you want to scream.
Patrick replying to a comment from Habaneros / June 22, 2013 at 05:31 am
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What gym did you end up going to?
currentstudench / June 22, 2013 at 06:34 pm
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A lot of juicy drama on this blog. Keep it going peeps.
Danny de Vito / June 23, 2013 at 07:41 am
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Who's the best in T.O ?
Empire or openmat
Also where is Gringo's ?
Real deal
inreview / July 3, 2013 at 11:46 am
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So far it appears that the only indisputable issue with this place is pricing transparency. The place now posts some of its pricing online. The rest of the issues raised here are either old news and no longer relevant, or worse people with ulterior motives or a personal axe to grind.
at least you"re not at tkmt / July 12, 2013 at 10:23 pm
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All I can say is that as bad as Toronto BJJ sounds, at least it is not TKMT. Josh and Warren Lee sound like long lost brothers.
Tbjj lover / July 15, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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Tbjj posted a bunch of rates on their website including some monthly stuff. They now have a discount program that drops the prices by a lot.
Angus / July 15, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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What happen to there website is it down?
Dave / July 15, 2013 at 06:32 pm
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There site is up now. Maybe their new huge discounts shocked their own site
Chris / July 31, 2013 at 06:14 pm
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Yiannis Bloutis
Hello everyone
I guess most of you would already know that Josh is not renewing my membership in TBJJ, so unfortunately I have to sent this message to you guys and explain to you the reason why, since the persons that are accusing me for extremely illegal behavior (Josh, biased by Ntona), he don’t even want to meet with me, so he could also listen my opinion for these accusations.
So how the story goes from the beginning!
On March 26th I sent a message to Ntona, asking her to provide me with a legal receipt for the 1000$ I have paid her for rent when I was living in her house, for the months of May and June. The receipt I asked is because I was having an appointment with my accountant that afternoon to do my taxes. I asked her to give me the receipt before 14:30. (My appointment with my accountant was at 15:30).
Her reply was, that the money I have giving her for that period of time that I was living in her house, that they were unofficial, ‘’under the table’’, so she told me, that in cases like this one, no receipt is given and that if I have any further questions that I should ask my accountant.
My reply to her and the last message between me and her was, that I don’t understand what you mean ’under the table’’, what I know is that I have paid you 1000$ for the two months’ rent and I want the according proof for my taxes.
I also continue by saying that, me, with or without your receipt, I am not gonna do a false tax statement.
Here are also these messages, you could easy translate them in Google or ask a Greek friend you may have to explain you the meaning of these sentences.
(Before this message I send her, our last conversation was on December 2nd or 3rd. I met her once again in the beginning of February to give me a mail that was sent to her house, but we didn’t even say hello to each other)
My first message on March 26th 2013 11:17 am:
Έχω ραντεβου με το λογιστή μου το απόγευμα για τη φορολογική μου δήλωση και χρειάζομαι μια απόδειξη για τα 1000 $ που σου πλήρωσα για τα ενοίκια Μαΐου και Ιουνίου.
Ειδοποίησε με όταν την έχεις έτοιμη να μου την δώσεις σημερα πριν της 14:30.
Her replay at 12:36 pm:
Τα χρηματα που έδωσες
οταν ήσουν στο σπιτι μου ηταν ανεπίσημα, "under the table". Σε αυτές τις περιπτώσεις δεν δίνεται απόδειξη. Αν έχεις παραπανω απορίες, ρώτησε τον λογιστή σου να στο εξηγήσει.
My replay:
Δεν ξέρω τι μου λες για λεφτά κάτω απο το τραπεζι... Εγω ξέρω πως σου πλήρωσα 1000$ για ενοίκια δυο μηνών και θέλω την ανάλογα απόδειξη για την εφορία.
Εγω με ή χωρίς την απόδειξη σου δεν προκοιτε να κάνω ψευδή δήλωση.
The only wrong here, is my spelling in the last sentence and the word ‘’προκοιτε’’, the right way to write this word is ‘’ πρόκειται’’.
Two days later, if I remember well, Josh after the morning training with the competition team, he was on the reception and he ask me if I will renew my membership to the club, because my membership is almost expired.
I reply to him that I will and he asked me if the club had my email or phone number so we could arrange an appointment. I reply that the club should have these informations about me since I already had a contract with the club and he also asked me if we are friends on facebook. I told him that we are friends on facebook and he said that he will message me there for the appointment.
The next week was almost ended and on Friday at 12:12am, a few moments before I’ll go to bed, Josh sent me this message and beneath is my replay and his and mine again.
Please read carefully these messages:
• Friday

12:12am
Josh Rapport
Yiannis some very disturbing things about you have come to light. Including possible harassment and extortion of another club member. This is illegal.
For those reasons you will not be allowed to renew your membership which has already expired. I wanted to talk to you in person but I have been busy and this cannot wait. All the best in your future endeavors.

12:14am
Yiannis Bloutis
Is that a joke Josh?

12:15am
Josh Rapport
No

12:15am
Yiannis Bloutis
So what did I do? and to who...?

12:16am
Josh Rapport
Have you been harassing and extorting more than one member?
I have no desire to be in the middle of your issues and affairs. I wish you well.

12:21am
Yiannis Bloutis
Josh with all the respect, I never do anything and to nobody. I really do not know what you are talking about… I would like to meet you this weekend if possible and talk about what you write me is these messages. You can’t accuse me just like that…
So as you could understand, after the text massages I had sent to Ntona, Ntona obviously went to Josh and tell him that I harassing and extortion her.
I have given these messages to been read from a lot of people since that Friday, and no one can and up in the conclusion of harassment or extortion or to both of them. If you guys who read these lines now are able to do so, please let me know…
But the most annoying of all is, that this guy has the CHEEK to accuse me with such a serious charges without even asking me about the situation that Ntona tell him.
I asked him to meet and talk about these accusations and his not even replay me back.
He just announce me his accusations with a facebook message and he justified his action because he was too busy to talk in person…
I never feel more humiliated from a person in my life!!!
This guy accusing me but he don’t care at all to listen both sites of the story. He just listen the story from a person that obviously hates me and for his own reasons he decide that this person, Ntona, has a so much integrity, that no significance what the other side has to say, the other side is wrong!!
I don’t think there is a reason to spend more time writing about Josh, in the bottom line, you guys know him better than I do, make your own conclusions.
I also hear a rumor on Tuesday from a member of TBJJ, which said that the reason Josh don’t want to renew my membership is because I was abusing Ntona in front of her children.
So after harassment and extortion that doesn’t looks too convincing, now the story changes and became abusing in front of her children. I cannot even imagine what other lying Ntona probably had said about me. I feel sad for her, this woman is really sick and she needs help.
So what I really want is to spend some time writing to you guys about Ntona. I mean since she accused me to Josh and all these dramatic changes came in my life with a blink of an eye, I believe I have the right to do so.
I am not gonna spend your time reading accusations about our personal life since we were together. We had a relationship, as every couple we have problems and disagreements and eventually we broke up many months ago and that was it. But I will tell you about the rumors she spread around about TBJJ, Saulo Ribeiro, Xande Ribeiro, Jorge Britto and some other girls from the BJJ community in Toronto.
First of all, I want to say that I am sorry that I will say these thinks here, but I really tried all these days to meet with Josh and Jorge Britto, but both they were too busy to talk to me, so I really have no other way to defense myself against this woman’s words.
Here are the messages that prove that I also try to communicate with the professor Jorge Britto before I send you guys this message.
• Conversation started April 5

12:27am
Yiannis Bloutis
Hello professor, I just get these messages from Josh... what's going on here? what did I do?.. I really can not understand. Josh Rapport
Yiannis some very disturbing things about you have come to light. Including possible harassment and extortion of another club member. This is illegal.
For those reasons you will not be allowed to renew your membership which has already expired. I wanted to talk to you in person but I have been busy and this cannot wait. All the best in your future endeavors.
12:14am
Yiannis Bloutis
Is that a joke Josh?
12:15am
Josh Rapport
No
12:15am
Yiannis Bloutis
So what did I do? and to who...?
12:16am
Josh Rapport
Have you been harassing and extorting more than one member?
I have no desire to be in the middle of your issues and affairs. I wish you well.
12:21am
Yiannis Bloutis
Josh with all the respect, I never do anything and to nobody.. I really do not know what you are talking about… I would like to meet you this weekend if possible and talk about what you write me is these messages. You can’t accuse me just like that…

2:13am
Jorge Britto
I dont know but,
i will try to find out
• Tuesday

10:25pm
Yiannis Bloutis
Hello Professor
I send you this message to ask you for a meeting between you and I about the present situation and the false accusations made about me.
I realize that you cannot do anything about it and that is ok by me, but I need to talk to someone about what I have been wrongfully accused of. I already ask to meet Josh since the first day he sent me the messages I have sent you too, but he didn’t replay back to me.
I also find today from someone from the academy, that Ntona accuse my for abusing her in front of her children… after harassment and extortion now she also accuse me for abuse.
I find it really unfair that nobody even ask for my opinion but the already disseminates rumors about me.
If you could meet me tomorrow after your training I would appreciated.
My phone number is 647-866-7107
Thank you
Ioannis Bloutis.
• Wednesday

9:53am
Jorge Britto
Hi Ioannis
I'm pretty busy today
But I will give you a call sometime in the afternoon

10:12am
Yiannis Bloutis
If you're busy today professor maybe we could meet tomorrow. Tomorrow I am not working and I will be available all day long, when you have some free time. There are some thinks I want you to know, that are not going to be easy for me to tell you on the phone. In personal it will be much better.
Today I am working until 5:30pm, please call me after.
Jorge Britto, never call me back…
I also want to say that I do not believe these words that Ntona told me, but she insisted about them and I am not the only one she talks about these things!!
So I will try to make the long story short now. Ntona accused Saulo and Xande Ribeiro that every time they came to Toronto BJJ for a seminar, that they use them influence us big names in the BJJ community and that they having sex with several girls of the BJJ community in Toronto, girls that followed they’re seminars in TBJJ.
She accused Jorge Britto that ones he went with Saulo after a seminar of Saulo in Toronto BJJ and he has had sex with a girl from the seminar too, just like Saulo did.
What I want to say about that is, that when Ntona tell me all these thinks about these people, I didn’t know Jorge Britto or Saulo or Xande. Even today I do not know Saulo and Xande, I haven’t even meet them once, so when she tell me these thinks I believed her. I believed her, because she was the one I was in love, I knew and the one I trust, exactly like another guy I know that she has said the same things to him, he believed her too for the same reasons, except the loving part obviously.
Of course after all this time I spend with her in this problematic relationship that I should have ended sooner I came to realize that she is saying anything but the truth.
Whatever I write here its 100% truth. If someone wants to ask me something I will reply back on my facebook, on my email, on telephone or even in person that’s not a problem at all.
I am sorry once again I sent you this long message guys, but I am all alone in this country. I have no family here or friends from the past!! I try to build friendly relations with people here. So since the persons who accused me they don’t let me defense myself against these accusations; they want my mouth to be shut for a reason, that message is my only defense for my dignity and my honor.
At least I hope that with the people I roll inside the mat and we have or we even haven’t say much and especially for the people that I want to consider as my friends, I hope that this message will mean something to them!
For the most of you who received this message, I hope we will meet again!!
Wish you all the best guys, BJJ for life!
Award winning school / August 1, 2013 at 11:12 am
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Regardless of who's right or wrong in any of all this, Toronto bjj gets the award for the worst PR management in the history of bjj academies....
Tbjjlover / August 1, 2013 at 05:14 pm
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The Toronto Open is this weekend. Should be fun. I agree with award winning. Should have just said lol at others having to make up stuff, mustvbepretty desperate to do that
dealwithit / August 5, 2013 at 11:29 pm
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Yiannis was a mat bully anyways, going 1000% vs much smaller white and blue belts when he is a brown. Good riddance to a bad training partner.
wow / August 9, 2013 at 09:55 am
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the amount of hatred and ill-intent in some of these posts is insane. Some people have no sense. Not even sure why all these comments are still here - regardless of what is true and what is not, there is just such a volume of crap here that I can't imagine anyone figuring out what is what.

Its sad - this is a digital attempt at "salting the fields" and its really depressing. All these people wrapped up in their petty bickering and competeing for students, backstabbing, etc... its a bad look for all involved. must be nice for those attacking TBJJ that they can remain undercover and say whatever they want without recourse.

likewise - responding to and continuing to stoke the fires here is just as much to blame for it getting this out of control.


foodbank / August 9, 2013 at 10:19 am
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This place has contributed nearly 5000 lbs to the food bank.
FatAss / August 15, 2013 at 02:57 am
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i bet they had way more than 5000lbs but Josh ate half of it.
MMA replying to a comment from wow / August 18, 2013 at 04:29 am
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Neat story, bro,
Hardeep Singh / August 22, 2013 at 11:20 am
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To me it is truly sad and abominable that people have to result to personal attacks against Robert Bentley and Josh Rapport to make their voices and opinions heard.

I have been a TBJJ member for over 3 years now, and I love the place, the staff, the instructors and my teammates. IN February of 2010 when I was looking for places to train, I came into one of the Jiu-Jitsu classes, and Ahmed the brown belt instructor at the time had a blue belt take me aside to over beginner level basics like front rolls, hip escapes, back rolls and the like.

Needless to say, the blue belt who was showing me tried his best but was not adequate enough, so Jorge Britto who just finished teaching a private class came over us and told the Blue Belt to return to the regular class and took me aside and taught me the basics with great detail, attention and respect.

I never forgot that, and it was the main thing that made me want to train at TBJJ, at the time I did not know of it's prestigious reputation as an award winning school, all I knew was that I wanted to train under an instructor like Jorge Britto who would take time out of his schedule even when he did not have to, to help some one out who just wanted to start training BJJ.

As I have progressed in my training people like Jorge, Thomas beach, Mike Zaniewski, Nathan Rector and all the other amazing instructors we have, have truly helped me in my development as a competitor and training partner, I am highly indebted to people like the above mentioned instructors, and Josh Rapport who has always dealt with me fairly and honestly.

In my own personal dealings with Josh, he has been honest, and I consider him a friend, if I felt he was a dirt bag or a crook, I would not train at his dojo.

This is my own personal testament, and I am not disparaging any of you who have dismissed TBJJ, and said negative things about it. For me, I consider the people at TBJJ like family, and love them as much. Regardless of how you feel of TBJJ, I wish all of you the best, and hope you are doing well on this journey in your training. Much love.

Hardeep Singh
Hardeep Singh replying to a comment from muaythai / August 22, 2013 at 11:30 am
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The reason for us not sparring on a regular basis is because in the past there were those who were beginners and started sparring immediately injuring themselves, or their sparring partner because of their lack of technique. I have been to the Henry Hooft Seminar, and he goes around the entire time looking at everyone's technique and making adjustments.

The reason why everyone does not spar is because our head Kick Boxing Instructor Kerry Marine wants all of us to be familiar and compitent with techniques something that was not done with previous instructors, which does not take away from their abilities.

In all my time at Toronto BJJ, only now am I seeing a real improvement in the technical abilities of our kick boxing students, the quality of technique right now is the highest it has ever been, and this includes the time when Mauricio Veio and Andre Dida taught here and there was full on sparring after class.
Hardeep Singh replying to a comment from wow / August 22, 2013 at 11:36 am
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Totally agree!
Hardeep Singh replying to a comment from Tbjjlover / August 22, 2013 at 11:49 am
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So true!
Hardeep Singh replying to a comment from Casey / August 22, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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Keep up the great work Casey, looking awesome in Kerry's classes, very proud of you!
Hardeep Singh replying to a comment from Melissa / August 22, 2013 at 12:36 pm
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You go girl :)
Hardeep Singh replying to a comment from Series / August 22, 2013 at 12:39 pm
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I am sure there are, it's just TBJJ holds the record for winning the most medals for a Canadian school at a Mundials.
jitsdork / August 24, 2013 at 03:34 pm
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Empire MMA has Hannette Staack from the 27th-30th teaching all the classes, but they're not doing drop-ins. $100 will get you training in the classes she's teaching for those days.
whogivesarap / August 25, 2013 at 06:30 pm
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good thing you are already brown Hardeep or your nose would look outta place after all that butt kissing.


and my name is dedicated to hannette stack teaching whereever the hell that is for $100..... riveting tale, chap.
Jayjay / August 27, 2013 at 09:47 pm
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LOL LOL LOL

I've met Josh in what? 2002 or something.
Snobbery? Check.
Full of s...? Mmm yeah but I didn't care.

Funny rumours, funny management, funny stuff, you name it, it's been going on forever and it seems that it's gotten worse.
And Im being nice.
Check Sherdog or the Canadian forum on mma.tv if you can retrieve some very old but interesting threads.

Some things/people will never change.
lol

Ps : lol at Saulo and Xande Ribeiro banging bjj groupies.
Leo / September 5, 2013 at 03:17 am
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You know I was taught to never take anything at first glance. To always look at both sides, to look at every single dam piece of behavior/evidence to every story before passing any judgement. After reading this entire blog (i mean literally every single bloody word) quite frankly I dont know what to think of some of you, others i whole heartedly agree with and some just wow you are a vindictive bunch of pricks. This person got fired, prices are this, This gym used to be this, this gym is friendlier blah blah blah. Did anyone ever take the time to look in the mirror and say you know what maybe I am the problem and thats why it didnt work. Dont blame these guys if thats the case then. If you have a legitimate beef with then hey thats cool too, I can respect your decision.

Let me all you on a little secret ive learned is 15 years of Sales...Your boss may not always be a nice guy. Ive met Josh plenty of times, hell even remebered my name to boot even though i didnt expect it and very understanding of my situation (i will explain in a bit). he's been nothing but cool. That's been my experience with him. That's very far from brown nosing or ass kissing thats the truth. Id be the first one to clearly state my full name and where you could find me if i thought otherwise. Some of us like our bosses some of us dont beacuase you may hate the owner means in no way shape or form his business is shit in any way possible.

You all have to understand one thing, especially you negative posters fail to reason with: He's a Business man. and as such has to run it how he see's fit. Some of us agree others don't. If it costs too much hey guess what that's their perogative. I sell cars for a living for Ford Motor Co. of Canada. SOme people can afford our prices some cant. I take no personal offence if people say shit you charge too much. But dont you dare and try to say this school is shit based on pricing alone.

In conclusion, I would state for the record. Yes I have trained there and i left not because of the boss or the prices or the people because my life changed drastically. I was getting married and had to much to handle and it effected my training to a point where i lost my passion to be the beast person I can be. Now that I have gotten it all straigthened out, im going back with my eyes open. Do I expect the prices to be the same as i left before? No that would be utterly foolish. Do i expect everyone from before to be there just as I had left before? No obviously people change. What I am willing to do is give it the benefit of the doubt and go back to a gym where my experience has been but a positive one.

Let new people on their own decide for themselves what is good for them or not. I may have a happy positive opinion of TBJJ but i wouldnt even freaking dare impose that on anyone and neither should you haters on the other side.
PurpleBelt replying to a comment from Leo / September 9, 2013 at 03:11 am
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Neat story, bro.
lol / September 10, 2013 at 10:44 pm
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when Josh comments on former TBJJ members photos he comes across as an ass or straight up butt hurt that they left and are doing well or better than they were at his academy.

When a current student beat a former student he posted "the choices we make" on the picture. Even though the current student probably was 40 pounds bigger and it was an absolute division.

When that former student had another match posted up against a TBJJ guy who won he posted that his former student looked good which seems polite but he had to add in that you could see his former student making good use of the training he got from TBJJ.

This is his character, can't just congratulate the guy, he has to make sure to point out to everyone that he and his academy had an important role in his current success.....
JoshISlegend / February 21, 2014 at 05:33 pm
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Josh is a black belt now and way above most of the peons and haters around here. His skills on the mat are unquestionable, he has worked very hard to earn that rank you can see him training like a beast regularly the last few years. One of the best new black belts in the country, stop the hatred and if you train at TBJJ one day you may be lucky enough to be taught a class by Master Josh and see the next level knowledge 1st hand.
Ya sure / March 6, 2014 at 03:09 pm
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To the above review yes his knowledge of bjj is second to none but please don't tell me he trains like a beast. He looks like he's eaten more cookies then he's been training.

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