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Extreme Fitness

Extreme Fitness is a ubiquitous fitness club chain in the Toronto area that now has six locations including the one pictured above on the Danforth. The gyms are generally clean, spacious and feature the latest weight and cardio equipment. At their Richmond Street club they offer Yoga Twister, a new spin on yoga not to be confused with Naked Twister.
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Very unethical.
If you wind up messed up in this; call your credit card company, change cards, call the police Fraud unit, Consumer Protection Agency and the Better Business Bureau.
Their strategy is to get people as many members as possible to join. Once in, you?ll have pay monthly for a 9 months (I guess that?s what they mean by advertising no annual contract). Once you do join, they?ll put on the high pressure tactics on to get you to dish out more money on personal training.
If you use machines, good luck getting one. The air quality systems in the spinning and aerobic classes haven't worked since the club opening. I don't think it will ever be working.
If you do aerobics classes, there is constant flow of people walking in and out of the classroom to get equipment. It's disruptive. Why you would store the equipment in the class as opposed to outside the class (like every other gym) is beyond me.
Bottom line, they seem like an honest and professional organization. Don?t be fooled this is just another fitness scam.
What about the two premium ones? If you want to go to them too, that will cost you around $130/month.
So let me get this straight. Access to the all of the gyms, including the nicer ones, is about $130, or I can use the less nice gyms but get the towel service for $76 per month, so obviously that's the better deal.
By the time I ended up signing the contract, I understood that the cheaper fee was for the cheaper gyms, and that the higher fee was for access to the premium gyms. At no point did they EVER make it clear that was I agreeing to a ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH NO CHANCE OF ENDING IT EARLY. After all, everywhere you look you see the words "NO ANNUAL CONTRACT" stated loud and clear, so it didn't even occur to me that I could possibly be locked in for a year.
The reason this scam is so successful is that you never have the opportunity to review the pricing schemes in writing. They do not post them anywhere publicly. The only way to find our their current rates is to know what to ask.
SO, BE WARNED: A membership WITHOUT AN ANNUAL FEE COSTS AROUND $130 PER MONTH, is only good for that one gym, and excludes towel service.
By accepting their "cheap" membership rate of $76/month YOU ARE AGREEING TO AN ANNUAL CONTRACT.
Signing up for access to the premium gyms also costs around $130, and ALSO INCLUDES AN ANNUAL CONTRACT.
NO CONTRACT = ONLY ONE LOCATION, NO TOWEL SERVICE, AND VERY HIGH MONTHLY FEE.
There losing money and probaly going to sell quick
There losing money and probaly going to sell quick
DO NOT JOIN THIS GYM AT ALL! BUY EQUIPMENT AND TRAIN YOURSELF AT HOME! IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY, STAAAAAAY AWAAAAAY!!!!!!
I have been a member of many other chains and I have to say this was my worst experience by far.
They are scammers.
Once you join you only have about 9 or 11 days to cancel your contract.
The saleswomen lied right in front of my face. Before I signed the contract to have a membership I recall asking if there are any fees I have to pay when I freeze my account. She said no.
My sister recently froze her account at Extreme Fitness. Extreme Fitness charged the gym membership every month. They say that they are going to give her 4 month credit so when the membership expires. She had 4 months to workout for free.
I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL MY MEMBERSHIP EXPIRES.
The next day, they phoned me to say, I won a "prize". I phoned back, and the "prize" was 4 months free, provided I sign a 1 year contract. So you would think it would be 16 months, and you pay for 12. Nope. 4 months no payment, and then you only pay $96 a month after! $96 a month!! Insane. So I told the guy no, and he went down to $76/month. From this point, I had a feeling Extreme Fitness was scuzzy.
I went to the gym to take advantage of the 10 day pass. The 10 day pass was only valid for 1 day, because I did not want to sit down with an associate to "talk" about a contract! Pathetic. The guy had the nerve to tell me, I did not workout enough, then tell me the pass is only valid for 10 days IF YOU SIGN SOME PAPERS. Absolutely disgraceful. After reading the horror stories, I am lucky, that I did not fall for their BS. Someone needs to create website, and inform people about this company.
To Brooks, and Joel at the Extreme Fitness location at Yonge/Dundas, you are scum. I hope you guys go out of business soon!
Now I'm half freaked at what the hell is going on. See, there is a mistake on my contract (personal trainer/nutritionist) with the payment amount I owe and how it will be done, and I just notice this by the time I got home and looking the paper over. It seems as though no will fix it, because they want the mistake to stay there and take what they can until it gets really serious.
I must be a laughing joke to them by now. By the way, how does an 18-year-old deal with getting something like this corrected? I've never dealt with this type of problem before. Do I go to the BBB or police unit in the fraud department to check is out or something?
THEY ARE SMOOTH TALKING, AND WANT TO RIP YOU OFF. ALL OF THEIR "SPECIAL PROMOTIONS" ETC. ETC. COME WITH STRINGS ATTACHED... THO THEY WILL TRY AND TELL YOU OTHERWISE.
even if they give you a "grace period" or "trial period" where if you cancel within a certain time you will not be charged, DO NOT DO IT. They will make you write a check, or at least sign something- DO NOT DO IT! It is possible to cancel, and they are required to do so within the time indicated on your contract, GOOD LUCK trying to get in touch with the person that can do this for you.
I called and went into the location 5 times within 3 days attempting to cancel before I was charged, and the manager was "unavailable" or "just stepped out" or "not in"... they gave me the run around, hoping the period would run out and they could charge me.
I finally lost it, threatened to file a complaint with the BetterBusinessBureau (which I am still going to do).. and I finally was told my membership had been cancelled and I would not be charged. I decided to still put a stop payment on the check I had given them, not willing to risk it, and totally NOT trusting a word they'd say.
Ignore all their flyers, sales reps, and "promotions" because they have it down to a FINE ART- they know what they can "promise" and how to say it so that you think you are getting a deal- you are not, and they will give you the run around the second you come with a complaint.
In my experience with ethical and worthwile businesses of any sort- they WELCOME complaints and deal with situations properly and promtly because they do not want to upset the customer- They want to be the best they can be. This is absolutley NOT the case with Extreme Fitness. That alone sends up red flags. Any company worth dealing with will respectfully deal with complaints and less than ideal situations. Extreme will just give you the run around and be horribly rude.
http://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2008/05/extreme_fitness_extreme_ripoff/
Anyhow, I flipped the contract over and realized that this really wasn't a free trial at all! The Consumer Protection Act allows all of us to cancel service contracts within 10 days without having to give a reason. Extreme Fitness' smart and incredibly deceptive legal and marketing teams make it seem like they're going out of their way to offer a free trial when the law says that they have to let us cancel within 10 days! I was really disgusted but I took the 10 days knowing I would cancel.
I just hope I don't have the terrible luck that some of you have had attempting to locate a salesperson or manager who can cancel the TEMPORARY membership.
One last thing... My free trial is based on a corporate rate BUT if I cancel within the 10 days and after shopping around, decide that I do want to sign with them in the next 3 months, I'd have to pay the full rate of some $130plus a month!!!
Wow.
When they get your credit card no, finished, you are done.
you can do absolutely nothing if you have a complain or something. I will definitely cancel my membership after my contract.
When you get them, at the time of paying the membership you will find out that you have already fell in their trap.
DON'T JOIN THE LIERS
- Convoluted marketing schemes, sales personnel, and contracts
- Membership fees do not reflect anything in, around, or about Extreme Fitness' facilities or staff
- Gym is more than over crowded; unable to follow a tight workout regiment (facilies might as well be rendered useless)
- weights are all over the place, if they're even there to find in the first place
- Poor air quality/circulation ( a lot of people that attend stink as well)
- Not one ounce of customer service exists unless it is to add additional services, which in turn is you know what, additional fees! "Yeah, great job little Timmy!" says boss
- No options for anyone under any circumstances available for those of us, even legitimately, need to withdraw from the contract.
- The worste part of having to negotiate an alternative is that they have no EAMPATHY whatsoever, which is one of the worste traits a human can exude...and even worse, one that they stand by even for their sad paying job.
I have an idea, you let me out of the contract and i'll give you a real job earning honest money.
If any of us had half a brain, Extreme Fitness would be out of business. Like noted before we must take action ratehr than spit words. I'm about to pull a scheme of my own on them! Tehe
Passo Pappis
Thornhill Corporate office: 905-709-1248
When you call, press # and enter 7277 (spells Papp)
This company is a disgrace! They need to shape up their act and start treating us with some respect - after all, we're the ones paying their wages!
I cancel my membership because I got a job in another province and after two moth still are charging me at my credit card. They say my cancellation sheet is not there, I faxed it and they said didn't get anything, so I faxed it again and now they say the fax machine is not working, besides everytime I call they are "BUSY".
As everyone says unethical completely and very unfriendly when it comes to coplain, but they very sweet when they are trying to get you in.
I'll do whatever it takes to get my money back....
Thank you all for your comments. I was on my way to join Extreme Fitness and googled it before I left home. I have seen so many bad comments about this company. I AM CERTAINLY STAYING AWAY!
The Fitness industry should put ppl's health first and foremost! Definitely not the case at this franchise. SCUM!
They carried on charging me for 2 months and when I complained they said they had no record of the phone call and essentially called me a liar.
Absolutely horrible
They try to pressure you into buying diet or trainer programs and when you don't they will start insulting you and tell you that you will accidentally kill yourself without their help.
Their pricing is outright fraudulent as they tell you one thing and then turn around and charge another, staff members constantly contradict themselves and once your money is in their pockets its good as gone, regardless of what they tell you about refund options or 'time credits'.
There are better workout places out there, stay away from this dump.
They use bait and switch marketing tactics. They advertise $16 for 60 days with no obligation. Truth of the matter, there is no obligation. The gimmick behind it is EXTREMELY high pressure sales and high pricing used to fool the consumer that they are being given a deal once a sales rep calls in a manager, assistant manager, or general manager comes in and drops the price by giving a "discount" ie, first time incentive, past expired memberships, family friend add ons, past promotional rates. THESE PRICING SCHEMES ARE ALL LIES! For example, if you take the 'no obligation membership" ($16 membership) when you come back you will only be offered the $129 month to month rate since you can't take the 1 year discounted membership rate.
After you get a membership you are then set up for a one hour Smart Start Fitness assessment where they pressure you to buy additional nutrition or personal training. The consultation agreement is priced at such a way where they do not disclose the final amount of the sessions but rather they break the numbers down where it seems financially feasible. I have seen 18 year old teens get stuck with $5000 contracts worth of membership, nutrition, and personal training.
The reason why you get such horrible and rude customer service is because we are faced with unrealistic goals, and sales quotas. We are paid completely on commission. We are also overworked and underpaid. Believe me, the staff is completely slaved and we are treated unfair, thus the consumer gets screwed in the end. I have never seen so much shady business in my life with any company. DO NOT GET FOOLED BY THIS COMPANY.
To get out of your contract you can relocate a certain distance out of any extreme location. A doctors note is not enough. You will need a medical letter clarifying the nature of the reason for cancellation and it must specify the duration and period of time 1 year or more, or indefinite. It is your right under the consumer act to terminate and cancel any agreement within 10 days.
check this out
905-709-1248
ask for markus ! ( he is a jerk )
The manager Steve Venet is a complete idiot. When I complained about problems at the gym he was very condescending and said they had invested over 3 million in the club and that my complaints weren't reasonable.. ie messy weight room even when they just open in the morning.. a sauna that is on a timer and always cold when you go down after a work out... bitchy staff and high pressure sales tactics by trainers who tell you you need a trainer when you don't. Ive overheard them lying to clients telling them they need another 2-3 months of training when they obviously don't. This place isn't going to last because of they way they treat their customers which is like dirt.
I found a contact for P.R. for the club ! FINALLY
For further information: Alison Stephens, Public Relations, Extreme
Fitness, Ph: (416) 303-0947, alisons@extremefitness.info,
www.extremefitness.info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ArAqck74A
I am gather a list of people who wants to cancel. Anyone who wants to cancel can e-mail me their membership ID along with their birthday and I will pass them on to Marcus, director for marketing...
I told him if he doesn't cancel everyone on the list, I will show up with some of you guys to their new grand opening of their Wellington location in downtown with a big bull horn and make a scene on the opening day.
Hope I won't need to do this!
charles@torontocomfort.com
or you can call me at 416.837.4965
Best wishes!
Charles Huang
Director/Producer
Spicy Editions
&
Owner of Toronto Comfort Rentals & Executive Comfort Canada
At least you would be able to stop them from robbing you by canceling your credit card.
The best bit of advice I have for anyone looking to join a gym is to join the one that is in the most convenient location for you. If you join the one next to the office or one that is en-route to or from work then you or far more likely to go. Then you'll get your money's worth and maybe then you'll all stop moaning!
I can't imagine, doing this to my customers... I have being in business since age of 16! Now, I am 24... we are talking of years and years in business with thousands and thousands of customers and only 4 complaints!
By the way, they called the cops on me to keep the free of free speech and the cops advise to send them a letter of apology.
This is my letter as following:
Xiao Feng Huang (Charles)
40 Markham Street
Toronto, ON
M6J 2G2
Extreme Fitness
110 Eglinton Avenue East
M4P 2Y1
Extreme Fitness
Not to be ruled, it's impossible to be polite to your company.
So, sorry you are offended my action of putting dirt on your sign, so if you offended I apologized. I have no intentions dealing or exposing further your shameful business practice or have intention stepping in any of your stores, since I already got my message with amount of response from the viewers. So, I have decided to return my membership card, because I never want to touch it again or touch your logos. So, stop sending misleading ads to my home or my businesses.
As a business owner myself since age of 16... and now 24, 8 years in business, 3 difference businesses, served over thousands and thousands of customers worldwide... only 6 complaints! I have attach comments from my customers to you learn what is honest, good customer service, which is a part of my core business practice and belief. Sure, I make mistakes, but no matter what I put my customers first... not money or greed! Yes, I believe in karma!
Lastly, please don't hurt any more people... the stories I am hearing is just too heartbreaking! It really hurts to hear and reads them!
Xiao Feng Huang (Charles)
Chef Director / Producer
Swift Justices (In Production)
Spicy Editions Productions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p0uerkQtFo
Before you think I am idiot, perhaps you should ask me how many membership have I helped canceled because of that video. I can't count them all since I only have 10 fingers!
Sometimes you have to be ruled to deal with those idiots!
I other words, I don't believe being professional all the time, and frankly, I don't care what other people thinks!
The video worked and it scared them off... whenever a member mention it and threaten to contact me while trying to cancel their account.
What a sad muppet you are! I just watched you're video and mate, it's fucking embarrassing. It's not exactly 'The Fifth Estate'. The way you go swinging on into Extreme Fitness' Dunfield location with no clue about what you're going to say and with a total inability to convey anything that makes any sense whatsoever is most amusing. But it's your follow-up 'Apology Video' that is the real winner. Not exactly a pioneer for your cause are you when you apologize after just one poor attempt at a journalistic masterpiece. It's so pathetic. You're so full of yourself kiddo it's kinda surreal! Now would you kindly piss off! Thx.
On Sept 18th I went in to Extreme Fitness Pickering Location and tried to cancel my membership. So here is the back story. When I signed up in May 2008, I also signed up for training. I was led to beleive that I would only pay for the time I used. So I used up all my sessions in three months which cost me 192.50 a month so far. So when those were done my trainer said I needed to sign up for more sessions,So I did. Little did I know that was going to start another set of payments for 192.50.
So they were going to charge me 192.50 for 12 months for the first set of training, and then another 192.50 for the next set of training for 12 months. Plus 66 dollars a month for my membership.
The best I could do so far is cancel my training, but according to them I still owe 2,232.65 I have only been there since May. It was ridiculous how much they are trying to squeeze out of me. If when I was signing up for training the contract had stated that for the next 12 months I would be paying 192.50. I would have never signed up. Also I thought that when I signed up there are no annual contracts. So why can't I cancel my membership.
They are snakes.
As far as my experience, i just love being in the club. I came here from a goodlife fitness location which is drastically going down in maintainence. I visited Extreme's cedarbrae location and the sales staff was very helpful. I was clearly told that the best way to save money in long time would be entering a 1 year contract and not to forget after the 1st year is over, it is no more a contract and we can still use the club.
Overall experience at cedarbrae was excellent. I would highly recommend this gym on top of any other gym.
Also, one year contract is good but you have to score a deal with the sales people, I pay $500 with towel service ;) I just wish they were nicer and had more treadmills, when it's busy you can't get a cardio machine.
Haven't been to the Danforth one, but been to their new club at Richmond street and thats pretty good too. And the customer service at atleast Cedarbrae is very good. Planning to goto pickering this weekend with my neice as guest, hope its ok with them :)
A.C.
My God! They almost made me beleive that I am some kind of a lunatic who doesn't remeber when she cancelled her membership or anything. If you are already in, the best advice would be to ask for a receipt after every transaction and keep it!!! otherwise you can't prove anything!!!! Their computers suck. I finished my 1 year contract and will never join the Dunfield club again.
Fitness One on Peter St does a full year for $360 while EF will steal $720. I KNOW its a nice looking gym, but I see now that any 'deal' I was getting was a fraud. I'll let you know how it works out when I cancel this week...
The gym does use marketing tactics to convey prices, but more or less, when you crunch the numbers, everyone gets the same price. When they offer you a contract, total the amount you will be paying, and divide it by a year, plus the amount of extra time they give you, if any. Take a moment, and use a calculator and figure it out.
Often, this will be something like 9 payments of $96+tax for a 12 month membership for the ALL CLUB rate (which they will say is 'first three months free') plus a 2 month free "time certificate". That's a total of 12+2 months = 14 months. Divide the total by 14, and that's how much you are paying on a per month basis. I pay about $65 a month for ALL CLUB access. For single club access, I have heard this rate working out to about $50 a month, which is very much on par with the rest of the major fitness clubs out there. I actually USE four locations a week depending on where I am, so this is worth it to me.
The key to getting a deal like this, is to BE SURE to be on top of your contract's end date, keep a copy of your time certificate - and BRING IT IN at the end of your 12 months - and then CANCEL the contract before you get to your 15th month. At that point, shop around at the locations, and on about the LAST TWO DAYS of the month, you'll get flooded with calls from agents with fantastic deals, to meet their sales quotas. This is when the best deals have always been offered to me and the people I know.
Also, some of their instructors are TOP NOTCH. I mean, TOP. There are a few 'meh', generic instructors, but the good ones, are really good. And their classes aren't "canned" Les Mills classes - same thing every week, for three months at a time, like Goodlife. I mean, how boring is that? WTF???!
Goodlife uses its own tactics, making your payments sound minimal with their "every two weeks" payment plan. Old equipment, small locations, crowded clubs. Who wants that?
Yes, Extreme has contracts. But under the CPA, you have 10 days cooling off period for ANY contract signed in Ontario. You have the right to refuse Personal Training, and if you don't want to be solicited, ask to be put on a do not call list.
Read the contract carefully. The stipulation for cancellations are all spelled out. The wording isn't that complicated as far as contracts go. You should always read a contract before you sign it, and if you don't understand it, ask them to explain it clause-by-clause. If they want your business, they will do this. Try breaking a Goodlife contract - their collection agents will be on you even faster than Extreme's if you default on payments, their administration is much, much more powerful than Extreme's.
If you want single-club access, no contract, you can go to the Y. If you go to Extreme first however, you'll never want to go to a place like a Y again, it will seem like a garbage dump in comparison. I have done both - I know.
I love Extreme.
Also you are comparing apple to oranges. Y is a gym for "blue color" people. Extreme is mostly for "middle class" people" you should comapre them to Goodlife fitness. Which itself is not a good gym but not as terrible as Nazi like as Extreme.
Dont join this gym!
I say we all pay homeless people to stand outside their gyms and cause a havoc!
I tried quitting just the other day because my job no longer covers gym memberships and I find it too expensive for what I get out of it, only to discover I had been tricked 10 months ago.
I was also told when I joined that the renovations (the Bay/Bloor location) would be done by March and there would be a sauna and salt water baths and whatnot. The renovations didn't *start* until late September!
Extreme Fitness is a rip off, staffed by con artists.
Going to the BBB seems like a waste of time though, they won't do anything to get Extreme Fitness shut down or force them to change their marketing scam, so what can we do?
I would recommend to cancel membership ASAP there.
They are playing a dirty games with you when you start talking about cancellation.
or see:
http://www.gov.on.ca/mgs/en/ConsProt/STEL02_045922.html
Note that the government can't instantly determine your complaint is valid, but they can lead you on the right path to resolving it. If there has been any scamming on you, lying by the company or anyhting like that, the onus is on your to prove that you were scammed.
Make sure you read the back of the contracts and read the section pertaining to your issue. They will ask you this sort of thing, and they will only lodge an investigation or mediate if they feel it is warranted. They treat both sides fairly.
I am furious and feel so taken advantage of. !!! I HATE EXTREME FITNESS.
If you have any notions of dealing with Extreme, why don't you review their UNsatisfactory record at the Better Business Bureau
This company is so sleazy they don't even respond to BBB complaints
Dunny is a lot bigger and all the stairs are a pain. But the men's locker room is HUGE and airy. Delisle's locker room is a bit small and could stand to be a tad bigger.
However, with all the renovations - well, you should have seen Dunny before. It was like out of the 80s.
I pay $76/month for all-club access, but I also got a month time certificate free at the end, so when you work it all out, it's something like $68 a month or so. I'm very happy with it.
Yes, people are like "oh $40 a month" at Goodlife. Well, have fun I say. Try the Goodlife Union Station membership - now there's a club - but you will be paying more than what Extreme charges for that. Has anyone been to a regular run-of-the-mill Goodlife, like the one at Manulife centre, or Eaton Centre Queen Street (is that one even still open?) GROSS! They're so packed with equipment and old, I'd rather go to the Y than pay Goodlife rates and be relegated to those kind of clubs. EWWW!
It's not about just getting in and out ... its about being in a clean, open, airy and nice environment ... so it motivates you to go. If you don't mind paying Goodlife's (slightly) lower fees, and getting that el-crappo level of service - power to you. Not me.
Ed
The GM's I believe are the cause for all of this.
Make your own choice but these are simply my comments. The choice is your's! Good Luck!
You cannot advertise that people win a cruise, and then force them to join to get the prize.
complain to the link below
http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/frm-eng/PJSH-6X9KQY
Lets get these guys, lets stop them from ripping off more people.
BTW just wait till you see your free cruise.....it will cost you an arm and a leg to register to some duche bag website to get your prize......it will truly be FREE
1. Who feel cheated by Extreme fitness 's business practice
2. Who feel they are getting their money's worth because extreme fitness have great facilities.
However , if Extreme Fitness have such good facilities, I wonder why they have to resort to such horrible ambulance chasing lawyer tactics to get business.
Just a thought, people, think about it.
The other locations are presentable, and the Eglinton location is very efficient. But overall the Extreme gyms are unfriendly, not a winning atmosphere, not a place to give or receive a smile.
Regarding getting ripped-off, the gym business is one of the sleaziest businesses, period. It is not just Extreme, but all gyms... always be cautious when joining a gym... never give your credit card number (credit card companies are responsible to the business) and always use debit (banks are responsible to to the account holder). Again, NEVER USE CREDIT CARDS AT A GYM.
** Regarding Extreme in particular, every location has more floor space allocated to sales offices than to workout area... that glaringly obvious factor should tip you off where their priorities are.
I should mention that I used to go to Yorkville Gym (at Hazelton Lanes) and it's expensive... but that gym is legit, organized, friendly, and professional. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
Keep the ball in your court...and keep it in play until you get the membership contract you feel most ocmfortable with and see how far you can push them? After all, you are the consumer.
1. There is a guy/gal at the entrance of each location giving out "10 days free trial" offer. Which is an outright lie. Here is the reason. When ever you get into any legally binding contract, according to law you get 10 days to change your mind. They try to sell this 10 day as free trial and take your credit card info, which definitely not a persons inital interest, to join (but to try).
2. They sell you a $20 per month deal for 3 months only to charge you $80 afterwards.
3. When you sign up they do a fitness test. The guy/gal who does that will make you go through hell for 1 hour just prove that your are totally out of shape. The harder you work, the harder routine he or she will tell you to perform. By the end of that hour, as your heart is pounding, they will tell you to buy personal training (as if it is only for your best interest). Training is $79 per session and the person who takes your evaluation gets a cut from that. Your personal trainer gets a share as well, about 18-25 dollars if you show up. All trainers, sales people, and those fitness assessment people work on full commission. So they are aggressive
4. When measuring your body mass index and measuring body fat, they will intentionally show that you have a higher number, only to alarm you.
5. Now after all these bad experience, when you go to cancel your membership this is what happens. The reception will tell you that you will have to be at the gym at a time (i.e. 11am-2pm) and meet with John Smith, a manager. When you and other upset people show up, John is nowhere to be found. He will probably show up at 1pm only to cancel a few contracts. Basic idea is to keep you lingering long enough so that you are over your 10 day grace period and cannot cancel the contract.
6. Since people get aggrevated and angry with John in a short time, the upper management rotates these Managers among various locations of Extreme. So, the next time you go there, instead of John, you meet Kurt, the new guy. He pretends and actually knows nothing about your facade with John. (The very old good cop bad cop trick).
Did you know, each location of extreme draws about $400,000+ worth of business, each month? HAH
So, after all these, why did I join Extreme? I know thier gig and I know how not to get fucked around by them!
But people, DO TAKE ACTION. ITS YOUR MONEY. TRUST THE POLICE AND BBB (Better Business Bureau).
I have had prior experience with the cop dealing with fraud. They are definitely there to help.
Good Luck and Good Health to all !
It seems a little too good to be true cause when i called i asked if i had to sign up or pay anything and i was told a distictive "no" not some "beat around the bush" answer.
I will let you guys know what happens tonight, and if im off to Jamaica
"We sent out 10,000 fliers and only 5 of them had the cruise as a prize; you guys are very lucky!" [The smallprint says the chances of winning are 1/1]
"The cruise is worth $5000!" [It's actually worth $249 plus tax and we have to pay that in full plus airfare plus a $35 processing fee. This is almost exactly the piece of paper he gave us: http://www.vacationgetawayincentives.com/oceancruiseforyoucertificate.php?sample=true. Vacation Getaway Incentives are an interesting company. They pay Extreme $3-$5 in commission every time the cruise is redeemed]
"You have 18 months to redeem the cruise, but you need to still be members at the time" [Nowhere is this written on the certificate]
All this and we hadn't even brought the scratchcard; all he had was our word that we had won the cruise.
All contracts are based on 1 year, starting at $50 a month.
They will also try push you into getting a personal trainer which costs $75 per hour. There is a huge lack of customer service!
Is it for real?
Any strings attached?
What is the actual cost to accept this trip?
Thanks!
2. no company in the right mind would give away a $5,000 cruise for $16 Smarten the hell up.
3. the 2 contract you sign with them states on the back that you have 10 DAYS to cancel or else you are locked in for the year.. Read it. It is comment sense people you have it now don't be outsmarted.
One more thing: I'm pregnant, and I've had several sessions with my trainer that made me wonder if the exercises he was putting me through were safe for me & the baby.
BE CAREFUL!!! If you go in for information and find the pressure tactics to be too much, BE PREPARED TO WALK AWAY!!!
Would not recommend to anyone.
This city needs a gym where its employees actually care about their members and their goals and not their money. I wish peter silverman would do a story on this and do a full 1 hour expose on this extremely garbage company. do NOT sign up at this gym!!!
Thank you Swann Fitness for making my visits to the gym truly a positive and life changing experience.
I have been with Extreme since 02 (long time), and never suspected they were so bad (I guess I never had to cancel) but now I am a bit scared that they were or are overcharging me and I am unaware of it...now I feel like switching gyms...huh...interesting...
I switched over to the new Yonge and Dundas location once it opened up and I go there about 4 times a week now. I think the layout is great, the facilities are top notch and despite what people say about the service, the folks at reception are cheerful and even call me by my name now when they see me. Nobody has tried to strongarm me into anything there; I get to go in, work out, enjoy the steam room and then go home feeling good. The only thing I am less than thrilled with is how some dirty freaks are turning the locker room into Extreme Bathouse and spend their time stalking the place in their towels wandering in and out of the sauna, the steam room, and the cold room. Oh and peering into the next shower stall through that gap between the divider and the wall. Pigs.
DEAR SIRS,
I AM PLESED TO INFORM YOU THAT WE ARE DEALING IN EQUESRIAN LINE. BEFORE ME , MY FATHER WAS RUNNING THIS COMPANY AND AFTER HIM, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE MATTERS.
WE ARE A WELL ESTABLISHED COMPANY SINCE 1970 WITH OUR OWN FACORY AND WE HAVE ABOUT 150 STITCHING MACHINES IN OUR FACTORY.
WE ARE SPECIALISTS IN
BOXING GLOVES,FITNESS GLOVES/ WEIGHT LIFTING GLOVES,MITTS GLOVES/SPEED BAGS, TRAINING MITTS,
FOCUS PADS KICK PAD,PUNCH BALLS,
HEAD GUARD,CHEST GUARDS,GROIN GUARDS,RASH GUARDS,
WEIGHT LIFTING GLOVES, HALF FINGER (gel in palm)
EXERCISE GLOVES
JUDO/KARATE/NINJA MARTIAL ARTS EQUIPMENT
JUDEO KARATE SUITS
BOXING/KARATE SHOES
JUMPING ROPES
HANDWRAPS
WEIGHT LIFITING BELTS, EXERCISE BELTS,DIPPING BELTS, POWER BELTS CAPS ETC
SPORTS BAGS
T-SHIRTS, SWEAT SHIRTS AND BOXING SHIRTS, FLEECE WEARS, HOODIES
UNDER WEAR,
WE UNDERSTAND WITHOUT SAMPLES , ALL IS BOASTING, SO WE WELCOME YOUR ENQUIIES FOR SAMPLES OR ANY OTHER INFORMATIONS.
WE ASSURE YOU PERFECT QUALITY PRODUCS AND VERY COMPETITIVE PRICES.
THANKING YOU, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR REPLY.
BEST REGARDS/HAZIR
QASAAB GLOVES COMPANY.
SIALKOT-PAKISTAN
TEL & FAX ;0092-052-4589114
P.S: APART FROM OUR OWN DESIGNS, WE ALSO WELCOME BUYERS OWN DESIGNS FOR COUNTER SAMPLES AND BETTER QUOTE.
DEAR SIRS,
I AM PLESED TO INFORM YOU THAT WE ARE DEALING IN EQUESRIAN LINE. BEFORE ME , MY FATHER WAS RUNNING THIS COMPANY AND AFTER HIM, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE MATTERS.
WE ARE A WELL ESTABLISHED COMPANY SINCE 1970 WITH OUR OWN FACORY AND WE HAVE ABOUT 150 STITCHING MACHINES IN OUR FACTORY.
WE ARE SPECIALISTS IN
BOXING GLOVES,FITNESS GLOVES/ WEIGHT LIFTING GLOVES,MITTS GLOVES/SPEED BAGS, TRAINING MITTS,
FOCUS PADS KICK PAD,PUNCH BALLS,
HEAD GUARD,CHEST GUARDS,GROIN GUARDS,RASH GUARDS,
WEIGHT LIFTING GLOVES, HALF FINGER (gel in palm)
EXERCISE GLOVES
JUDO/KARATE/NINJA MARTIAL ARTS EQUIPMENT
JUDEO KARATE SUITS
BOXING/KARATE SHOES
JUMPING ROPES
HANDWRAPS
WEIGHT LIFITING BELTS, EXERCISE BELTS,DIPPING BELTS, POWER BELTS CAPS ETC
SPORTS BAGS
T-SHIRTS, SWEAT SHIRTS AND BOXING SHIRTS, FLEECE WEARS, HOODIES
UNDER WEAR,
WE UNDERSTAND WITHOUT SAMPLES , ALL IS BOASTING, SO WE WELCOME YOUR ENQUIIES FOR SAMPLES OR ANY OTHER INFORMATIONS.
WE ASSURE YOU PERFECT QUALITY PRODUCS AND VERY COMPETITIVE PRICES.
THANKING YOU, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR REPLY.
BEST REGARDS/HAZIR
QASAAB GLOVES COMPANY.
SIALKOT-PAKISTAN
TEL & FAX ;0092-052-4589114
P.S: APART FROM OUR OWN DESIGNS, WE ALSO WELCOME BUYERS OWN DESIGNS FOR COUNTER SAMPLES AND BETTER QUOTE.
save your time and money
I used to be with Sports Clubs. Never complained once in my 15 years as a member. Great chain of clubs. So when I heard Extreme Fitness was buying SCC out, I knew the end was near. Since that time, it's been a slow and steady decline in amenities, services, many broken promises (aka lies), ZERO customer service. Management are like replicants. Ask them a question and it immediately gets deleted from their memory while they smile and nod as you talk to them.
THERE ARE NO COMMENTS BOXES AT EXTREME FITNESS BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE!!!!!! Don't believe me? Write head office and see if they reply.
I'm pressed for an alternative, and maybe that's what they're betting on. They bought good locations and facilities with established members who liked the old clubs. It's clear that it's just a matter of time before someone will get smart and build competitive clubs right across from every Extreme Fitness club, so they can watch members file across the street. I can't wait.
CHEAP, CORNER-CUTTING, LYING, UNETHICAL WEASELS!!!!!
I BEG AN ETHICAL COMPETITOR TO OPEN PREMIUM CLUBS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EVERY EXTREME FITNESS.
I'LL JOIN.
I don't understand all the complaints - it's a good gym, especially for the location. When they called me to book a fitness assessment I just said "no thanks." When they called back, I asked them to stop calling me.
It's pretty busy around 6:00 p.m so I try to go earlier or later, but I assume that's true of any gym. It's busy on the highway at 6:00 p.m. too, that's when a lot of people want to use certain things!
I would think about what you're doing before you sign a contract, as one other poster mentioned. You shouldn't get mad at Extreme Fitness because you bought a gym membership that you don't use. I paid $684 for 12 months + 2 bonus months, which includes access to all locations except the premium one. In any case, I only use the location that's 3 minutes from my house. Ultimately, that's the gym you should join - the closest one to the place you live or work.
You can dress it up as much as you want, but this place is totally modelled after a Bally's-type business model... cover the blemishes and declining services with a bit of sparkle here and there, but keep over-selling memberships. Trust me, member's concerns are the LAST thing they're worried about. Hitting membership targets and high volumes is where they focus their energy. It's all smoke and mirrors. The renovations they made added little to no value to the club - it was all just cosmetic.
I could keep going, but I must sleep.... more later when I feel another rant coming on.
Too many people have voiced their complaints about fees charged to them by this gym even after they have advised of membership cancellation but sadly, by not uniting and taking a stand, this gym continues to profit by using unethical tactics like the aforementioned example.
In my case, my one year membership at the Wellington Street location expired in August 2008 and coincided with the due date of my baby. In May 2008, I requested the gym in person to cancel my membership as I was physically unable to exercise during my pregnancy. The person who I met with agreed, however, indicated that he could only place a freeze on the fees until my one year contract was up. He asked whether I wanted to resume my membership on a monthly basis and I declined knowing that I would not be able to exercise with a newborn and since there was no Extreme Fitness near my home. He told me not to worry.
Woe is me for trusting him. A couple of months after my baby was born, I noticed that monthly deductions were made from my credit card. When I called the gym manager, he declared that was the case because I had not come in person to request cancellation and when I explained that I had, he insisted that my earlier visit was made just to request a freeze and that I should have known that my membership would continue on a monthly basis for which I would be charged. When I advised that was untrue and illogical since I knew I would not be able to exercise so soon after having a baby, he said that my pregnancy and postpartum situations were not his concern.
I am appalled at his behaviour and disgusted at being cheated by this company. Unfortunately, the channels of escalating my concerns appear to be limited but for now I advise everyone AGAINST ever joining this gym.
I just signed up with them today but after reading this I want out.
Thanks
My advice to you would be to try out the club for the standard 10 day trial and make a decision afterwards. Something to consider is that Extreme Fitness would not have expanded so much if they only prayed on the 'weak' so to speak.
Yes, I work for Extreme and I am well aware of all of the policies and procedures. Everything is in writing for you, and nobody can pull the wool over your eyes.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask me here.
But, as I previously said, all the terms you are 'agreeing' to are written out in black and white for you. Take the 5 minutes to read over what you are signing, and it makes worlds of difference.
The working environment since extreme got bought by the american investment company Falconhead is terrible.
They treat their employees like their members. GARBAGE
I heard they are even suing Ex Employees that left.
These guys are your typical know it all bully Americans that think they can do what ever they want. We are just stupid Canadians that live somewhere up north.
Spread the word lets Boycott Extreme Fitness, Only buy Canadian, and send a message to these low lifes.
Anybody know a good lawyer that will do a class action lawsuit against Extreme Fitness, it would be a sure winner.
Lastly, I would tell all the Extreme Employees that look at this Blog go work for a real company dont sell your soul to the devil.
thank you all for saving my pocket book!
Now has anyone had any experience with Good Life, I really need to lose some weight and tone up, they have a 12 session weight circuit programme, with a personal trainer of sorts,
what do you think?
many thanks
Bunch of con artists.
Boycott Extreme Fitness
poechuu@yahoo.com
Thanks
Please let me know any tactic that has worked, I hate this over crowded crappy gym so much and really don't want them to get anymore of my money.
Here is the numbers you can complaint to or state your concerns to:
Extreme Fitness Inc (Head Office)
8281 Yonge Street
Thornhill, ON L3T 2C7
(905) 709-1248
Just dial 0 for a representative.
If Scarborough also call property Administrator with complain: Anthony Leano 416.431.3431
8281 Yonge Street
Thornhill, ON L3T 2C7
(905) 709-1248
Just dial 0 for a representative.
And thank you for recommending Swann Fitness, Virginia. I happen to live quite close to it but I never noticed it! Thank you so much, I will drop by to check it out.
The employees are not motivated because the company pays them crappy salaries. (However, that does not justify being rude.)
I guess the owners of this gym are after only one thing - PROFITS.
It does not care about the service, its members or its employees. That is why the service is so bad. There are so many complaints from members and the management is not doing anything about it.
They are aggressively recruiting new members with their misleading deals, like "$8 a month for 2 months". Yeah, right!
They are after your MONEY and nothing else.
I wonder if this gym will last with this kind of strategy.
Even Bally went belly up. And Bally was not bad like Extreme Fitness is.
By the way, good work Charles Huang.
PLEASE SEND YOUR COMMENTS AND COMPLAINTS TO: memberswhocare@hotmail.com.
We'll collect all info and will work toward improved satisfaction or a better solution.
When I was a member of Sports Clubs of Canada / Goodlife, I was happy with what I was getting. I knew that they wanted profits. But they looked after the quality of their service, equipment, employees and most importantly, the satisfaction of their members. They delivered their end of the bargain. Even their cleaners were very efficient and polite (and not at all rude).
In contrast, I get the feeling that Extreme Fitness is after profits and nothing else. I don't think that I am alone in this one. Other people have used words like unethical, scam, fraud, etc.
My mistake was in switching gyms.
I hope Extreme Fitness changes its strategy. Otherwise, I do not see them doing well long-term, with this kind of service and bad publicity.
Just my opinion ...
I'm TOTALLY with you, I was just responding to your "profit" comment. I too was a member of Sports Clubs and I NEVER had one single complaint in over 10 years. Excellent customer service, polite staff, the trainers were helpful experts, versus "sales" staff... I knew it was the end of an era when they sold to Extreme. I've only remained a member because I love the Delisle location and facilities. The renovations were a joke... purely aesthetic to change the corporate identity - with no improved value for members. I've been on the waiting list for a reformer pilates class since January 2008!!!
Unfortunately there aren't any other Sports Club club options around anymore, but I've heard some rumours about another fitness group looking to start something. I'll be anxiously awaiting that announcement, so I can quit Extreme.
There's no argument that the physical foundation, equipment, etc., of the facilities are excellent because they were created and developed from the Sports Clubs model... unfortunately, it's not about that (again, I continue to begrudge the renovations because they were simply about changing corporate identity, and not improving the member's experience). Goodlife is also psychological torture for anyone who has any type of "expectation" or experience with a high-end facility (having to ask for towels?! pu-lease!).
Anyway.... I agree with you... complaints from members are strictly about high-pressure and dishonest sales tactics and absolutely ZERO customer service or respect.
I still find it absolutely shocking that they are getting away with this type of conduct in this day and age. I thought the government stepped in years ago to enforce rules about high-pressure contract tactics with fitness facilities. Perhaps I will contact the appropriate ministry to enquire about this.
All company's even if it small has to have a head office.
I got a letter from Dr that can not go the Gym until further notice and they are asking for an exact date or time frame, they told me they will freez the account and no further payment will be done for month well that contract for freezing states, paymnet will continue to go thorught and when i called they yes it will.
Pleas i need the office A.S.A.p and the number is not 1(800)637-9045 This is the number for the Extrem Fitness club in Danforth
I think there is some contact info for the company further up in this posting.
Everyone else.... please note, I don't think there's a law that states that all payments made to a business must be made either by debit or credit card; therefore it would be my advice to all new potential members to pay monthly via cheque, so that they can't continue to debit the account. Unfortunately anyone who is reading this forum is already disgruntled and stuck, so it's advice that comes too late.
AND TO ALL EMPLOYEE: HOW CAN YOU SLEEP? HOW CAN YOU EAT YOUR FOOD THAT THE MONEY YOU'RE SPENDING FOR IS FROM THOSE PEOPLE THAT A "VICTIM" OF EXTREME GYM FITNESS MANAGEMENT, WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE JUST FOLLOWING YOUR "CROCODILE" BOSS BUT SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO THINK YOU GUYS ARE STEALING THE MONEY OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WORK HARD FOR THEIR FAMILY.
AND TO ALL COMPLAINANT: I STRONGLY SUGGEST TO SUE THIS COMPANY LET US UNITE AND LET US GO TO THE MEDIA(SILVERMAN) TO EXPOSE THE ANOMALY OF THIS STUPID COMPANY
that also happen to me and when i'm trying to cancel my contract after 4 days they said i can't because it's a contract, so do you think is there a way to canceled my contract i'am already 1 month member of this greedy gym(Extreme Fitness)
I joined Extreme after 'winning' a 4-month membership from filling out one of those ballots. I signed up at the Yonge & Dundas location, and at the time, I repeatedly asked for the terms of my contract to be explained and clarified in detail before I signed and gave them my credit card. The terms spelled out for me VERBATIM by the representative were:
- That the length of the contract was ONLY 4 MONTHS, after which a membership fee of $96/month would kick in should I choose to continue.
- That I was under no contractual obligation to continue past 4 months.
- That if I wanted to cancel the trial membership before the 4 months were up, all I'd need to submit would be 2 weeks written notice.
After about a month, I realized I would no longer be able to use the membership due to my work and commute schedule. I took my written notice in, and was told I could not cancel. I spoke to the Manager, Alex Kumar, who told me I was violating the terms of my contract. I was NOW informed that I had signed a YEAR'S contract with 4 months free, and that the two week's written notice ONLY applied once I had finished the year's contract. When I asked to speak to the representative who signed me up, I was conveniently told, "He no longer works here, so whatever he told you isn't our problem". I had to meet with Alex Kumar TWICE before this mess got sorted out. Both times he was rude, evasive, and extremely condescending. As luck would have it, the credit card I had given them was stolen, so I had to cancel it, before they had a chance to take out any payments. I refused to submit information for an alternative credit card until I was shown their copy of my contract (the copy I had did not have ANY of the terms they were talking about). As previously mentioned, my signature was nowhere to be found on the copy they had on file, so Mr. Kumar was forced to cancel my membership.
even up to my assesment i didn't feel preasured not once to get a PT. all in all i would recommend this gym!
All of you who say that you feel pressured to sign up for memberships and personal trainers, NOONE is pressuring you! You need to have a voice and a brain of your own before signing any contract. So get up from your lazy ass and go work out without complaining at the gym!
The gym is HIGHLY unethical and a TERRIBLE environment
It's now April 2009 and I'm STILL trying to get the $700+ they charged me on my credit card until the end of november 2008. After going through all this b.s. with a "head office" which does not exist, now I'm being tossed around the curb about a cancellation form which I was never informed of in person by the previous manager Gord and now the new manager of extreme fitness, Rinardo. Also apparently they have no capability to write refund cheques either. I don't even live in Toronto anymore so I can't just come into town and meet with a manager who is never there!
I think I just have to face it. I was robbed and I will never get my money back.
Currently I am attending Durham College in Oshawa which has a gym; although not as nice as Extreme Fitness, has the equipment needed to perform most of ones daily exercise routine. This gym is included in my tuition, but I do not make any payments on it, and no one bothers me. Durham College's gym is the most relaxing place to exercise.
My story is that I signed up with Extreme while I was currently employed and was told by my doctor that I needed to loose weight.
I played around with my bills to make it so that I could afford a membership. They insured me that what I was getting was a corporate rate. This ended up being pure BULL****. I found out I was paying just as much if not more than anyone who just came off the street.
I had almost fell for their whole trainer act but managed to wiggle my way out of there and insisted I sit on this and will get back to him in the morning. I didn't appreciate the amount of pressure they placed on me by insisting I make an immediate decision.
Then two months into my membership I was laid off and my employment was terminated. I went to Extreme to try and arrange a hold on my membership (which I know they can do) until I got a job or until my unemployment kicked in. The general manager told me that he will see what he can do and get back to me the following day.
That day came and went.
I called the day later to find out why he never returned my call. He stated that he still didn't have an answer yet, which was pure BULL**** again because when I asked him who I can talk to about this who was over him, he insisted there was no one over him but him... so what I would like to know is who he was waiting to hear from?
Anyways he assured me he would call me back on the following Monday and again he never did.
I wanted to see how long it would take for him to call me back and over two weeks passed, and still he didn't call.
I called him back and was really pissed at this point. I had explained to him the first time around when this whole thing began that I cannot afford my membership being recently terminated from my job. There would be no way I could afford my membership because I was living paycheck to paycheck.
April's payment came out which then put me into overdraft, making cheques bounce costing me even more money which I don't have. I understand that me being recently terminated is not their problem, I get that... but their lack of compassion regarding the situation really disappointed me.
The gym is refusing to put a hold on my membership... I mean even for three months at least until I can get another job, but no... they are more concerned about taking your butt to court and sue the snot out of you and creating many many unhappy customers, then trying to build a relationship with their customers which will then in turn affect their long term clientele.
Perhaps with all the angry people, is the reason why their gyms are always empty.
I highly highly do NOT recommend going to this gym... I mean a few years ago when I use to attend Goodlife, at least they placed my membership on hold for three months when I lost my job, and when I got a job two months later I went to them and told them that my membership can now continue because I am now employed, and then I carried out the remainder of my contract. No fuss, no muss, and a happy customer in the end...
IS THAT TOO HARD FOR YOU EXTREME? TO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR CUSTOMERS!
Worst-case scenario, maybe you can call your credit card company and ask if there's any way to block payment transfers until the matter is resolved.
Guess I was very very lucky to get the contract cancelled. Be sure to get the reciept of the cancelled contract.
To Management of Extreme Fitness
Al the manager at your fitness club at Yonge and Sheppard location was extremely rude and confrontational when trying to cancel my membership on May 8, 2009. During our conversation Al made the following statements:
Al's Statement
"I have no problem starting a war with you"
"listen buddy"
"listen you liar"
"prove to me clause waived in contract"
"I dare you to take us to court"
"I've been working for this company 12 years, and yes I'm the boss and I make the rules"
Given that I poorly treated by Al from Extreme Fitness. I was made to "prove" that my contract did in fact allow for cancellation. I experienced lost of income for 3 hours, in the process of "proving" my contract details, I took time out of my schedule to do the following.
* contact head office
* meet with Extreme fitness representative
* find extreme fitness contact
* scan and email supporting documentation to Paula Dow the Extreme Fitness Club services Manager
* write letter and phone conversation explaining situation.
Requesting the following:
1. payment of $*** make cheque payable to "***** *****", consulting rate is $**/hour for 3 hours
2. Written and verbal apology from Al the manager at extreme branch location
3. Delete all personal information stored on company computer systems
4. Return all photocopies of identification in whole or in part
Extreme fitness has 30 days from the date of this letter to comply with the outlined requests. If requests not met the following actions will be pursued.
1. File a lawsuit for the amount of ($***+$250 = $***) with the City of Toronto Small claims court.
2. Request Toronto Sun newspaper to write about this incident with Extreme Membership.
3. Post Membership Agreement and story on Facebook group.
4. File complain with MasterCard, indicating that Extreme Fitness has breached their MasterCard Merchant Agreement by charging credit card without proper authorization.
5. File complaint with the Privacy Commissioner. Alleging that Extreme Fitness is not in compliance with PIPEDA the federal "Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act" of Canada.
6. File complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Informing them that Extreme did not adhere to Membership Agreement, which waived the "25 miles distance cancellation" clause. The waiver was written and signed by a company representative (Jeff Assistant Manager).
This whole situation could have been resolved quickly if Al had engaged in a higher level of customer service. It saddens me that such a trivial customer request could not be resolved in a appropriate manner by Extreme Fitness management. A copy of this letter has been delivered to Extreme Fitness Corporate office and the Yonge and Sheppard fitness location.
Extreme Fitness
Club Services Manager
905-709-1248 ext 280
pdow@extremefitness.info
Corporate Office Address
8281 Yonge Street
Thornhill, ON
L3T 2C7
I attended my assesment wearing my protective knee brace. I recently had a scope done and used to be very active prior to my injury. Talks with my physio and surgeon said I was able to head in the gym and do light exercises. I thought 20 minutes on a bike, 15 on an elyptical to get myself back in to train was better than the time spent on my butt in my apartment.
My assessment was with George who started off with "I'm the companies best consultant" and continued with "damn I'm good" when he guessed my bmi. I informed him of my injury and 10 minutes later I was doing all sorts of squats and jumps and was regretting my decision to train for snowboarding! I also was just getting over the flu...
Never have I felt so degraded by his responses to my injury. He left me with nothing I couldn't have googled and didn't show me how to use a single machine and I'm left to figure it out on my own after they quoted me $145/mnth for the next 18 months to have a personal trainer. I felt as if my injury was seen as a way to convince me I NEEDED a trainer for $145/month ONCE A WEEK for 32 weeks (then the interest and rest of the payment dragged out for twice as long)! I thought there were dollar signs on my knee cap instead of taking the hour consultation and giving me a few solid tips, it was scaring the life out of me and made me feel as if I had a huge mountain to climb and the only way I could do it was by shelling out the money for training.
I was unimpressed with the director of training (whatever his exact title is) remark that physiotherapists don't know what it means to train and that its better to be in a gym than in physio. I'm sure all major athletes who come out of recovery would love to hear that their need for rehabilitation can be met by a 'roid head xtreme fitness guru consultant like george.
Thanks for taking me seriously guys and thanks for the level of care exhibited. These things don't go un noticed.
ALSO the USELESS reception staff. Are they trained to be rude or does no one seem to care that they ignore members questions. I stood infront of the desk for ten minutes waiting to see someone about a membership. I also waited for them to acknowledge me when I had a question regarding schedules for classes.... they were talking about how they wanted chocolate and they were looking right at me and NOT ONE said even hi. What image does this project to people who spend $130 on average a month at your PACKED facility.
Check your over inflated egos friends, its a bit disgusting.
promoting a free for 3 months deal. we decided to check it out at the location on eglinton close to yonge in Toronto, Ontario. we went there and apparently after the 3 months, you as the customer can decide whether or not your going to continue with the gym and that would be the point where you would start paying a monthly fee.
The sales person we spoke to named Nino was very friendly and seemed very genuine in helping us. After he explained 'half-assed' about what the gym consists of, he told us we would have to sign a contract. i was skeptical and told him i would rather bring the contract home and review it with my mother. In a sort of annoyed voice he told us that we wouldn't be able to take the contract with us and we had to sign it now.
He highlighted some sections on the contract about the equipment and new sound systems that were being installed, but didn't put much emphasis on the money that had to be spent.
After we spoke with him a bit more, he told us he needed a credit card number or void cheque. I said but wait a minute, if it's free for the first 3 months and you DID say after the 3 months we decide if we're joining or not, why do we need to have our credit card number? he gave some reason that I was obviously dumb enough to fall for, and I gave him the number. My friend didn't have her visa so we put my number temporarily on hers as well.
After we talked some more, my friend and I left and we were very skeptical. Signing up for this gym seemed too easy. After we discussed it, we decided this wasn't for us. Two 18 year old girls who were working and would be going to college in the next few months, really couldn't find the time for the gym.
Sometime in July, I called the Dunsfield club and asked to speak to a manager. The receptionist asked me what the nature of my call was and i explained to her that I had 3 months free and I wanted out. All of a sudden, the manager wasn't available, he was in a meeting. so i said okay and called back about 5 hours later. still the same response, manager's in a meeting. This continued for about 2 weeks until I'm like this is complete bullshit so me and my friend found ourselves down to the gym.
I told the receptionist what we were their for and she said he's just about to go in a meeting. so after waiting there for close to 2 hours and knowing that we're being duped, we decided to leave, but not before asking for head office's number.
When i get home i call the number the recptionist gave me and low and behold, it's a fax number. Now with working and stuff we sort of forgot about it because accoring to Nino, the guy who signed us up, no money would be taken off my credit card. about october now, i see on my visa statement that $160 (80 for me and 80 for my friend) had been takin off my card. Now i'm extremely pissed now because Nino did say after the 3 months, you decide if it's for you. Now mind you after the day we signed up, we hadn't gone to the gym. And if we were so called 'members', where were our membership cards?? so we go to the gym and ask to speak to Nino. I tell him that there's a charge on my credit card and the friendly, enthusiastic, scammer that we once witnessed, was now speechless, not enthusiastic anymore, and telling us he can't do anything about it, we have to talk to the manager.
So I decided that i was going to contact head office, which is supposedly located in Thornhill, but when we call the Thornhill office, they say their not head office. So we called the yonge and sheppard extreme fitness and asked them for head office....and they gave us the thornhill office?? like wtf?? what kind of game is being played here. so i decided to call back the gym we had signed up for and ask to speak to the manager, but i realized once you say you want to cancel, no manager is available. so i finally after many weeks got an appointment with the manager named Stefan at the end of October. I went in i told him him listen i am a student, i work, i have responsibilities at home, there's no way i can make time for the gym. I told him me and my friend were duped, we feel scammed. and he told me well you signed the contract you deal with the consequences. i said well listen your salesman Nino didn't put enough emphasis on the money part and he was rushing us to sign the contract, plus if it's SO EASY and SO CONVIENIENT to sign up, why can't i cancel???contracts can be broken you know. he said wll your on a 12 month contract! now at this point i'm thinking of socking this fool in his face but i kept my cool and explained again that i have no time. his response, well im sure u can find a few hours in your day blah blah blah. and im like this fool isn't hearing me, so let me just leave. so now we're in mid november and me and my mom are having conflicts, so i decide to move in with a relative in brampton. i'm not sure when i'm going back home, so i decided to buy a P.O Box at the post office, so at least i dont have to change my address but i can still receive mail in it. So i make another appointment with jackass Stefan (this is december now) and show him my po box that shows i will be living out of the city, which i believe is the only way you can cancel your membership. so he tells me theres no gym location in Brampton but it's still in a 40 km radius from another. I'm like are you a dumbass??? i go to school in etobicoke, live in brampton, and you think i'm going to travel all the way to the closest location, the vaughn location??!!???plus is not like i have a car, it's public transportation, I take.
well after all that, we are now in January and i'm trying to maybe contact head office one final time, and then possibly take this a bit further.
I am now 19, i work on weekends, because travelling from etobicoke to brampton doesnt really leave much time for anything. and from october to now, $160 has been takin off my visa, which totals about $640. Nino sucks and Stefan royally SUCKS!!!.....ANYWYAS IF ANYONE IS READING THIS AND CONTEMPLATING JOINING EXTREME FITNESS, DON'T!!!!AND IF YOU DO, READ THE CONTRACT OVER 5, 6 ,7, HOW MANY TIMES IT TAKES YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR SIGNING UP FOR. AND IF YOU NEED TIME, INSIST ON TAKING THE CONTRACT HOME!!!!DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE ME AND MY FRIEND MADE, BECAUSE YOU WILL REGRET IT.
Bottom line - Extreme Fitness = SCUM
Bottom line - Extreme Fitness = SCUM
Thanks!
Check out Extreme's Rating on the Better Business Bureau
http://mwco.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=160&bbb=0107&firm=1036564#ratingdetails
Here's the link to file a complaint(make it against Extreme Fitness Inc):
https://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/getstarted.aspx
Just from how hard they push you can tell that they know if someone walks away without joining, they're never coming back.
It took me so long to finally break away from the HIGH preasure salesman. It was close though, they were really trying to get me to put down a credit card or my bank info. I said i didnt have it on me, My sister was with me, and they started asking her for her credt card for me. Cleary just wanted an account.
I had a bad feeling about them, seemed shady to me. Told them i would be back the following monday.
After reading these post, i can cleary tell i made the right decsison, and i feel bad for all those who got suckered into signing up with them.
Importnat thing to remember is never to let anyone bully you into buying something.
Just from how hard they push you can tell that they know if someone walks away without joining, they're never coming back.
It took me so long to finally break away from the HIGH preasure salesman. It was close though, they were really trying to get me to put down a credit card or my bank info. I said i didnt have it on me, My sister was with me, and they started asking her for her credt card for me. Cleary just wanted an account.
I had a bad feeling about them, seemed shady to me. Told them i would be back the following monday.
After reading these post, i can cleary tell i made the right decsison, and i feel bad for all those who got suckered into signing up with them.
Importnat thing to remember is never to let anyone bully you into buying something.
They are a great gym for my self but when i went to the desk for may pass i layed out what i wanted and if they did not like it i would go to there leading competitor they changed there aditueds same with the trainers that you get lay everything out and don't step down it is all about money they will do what you want. e look at your selfs you let them take your money, pay in cash month by month and never take a contract. This is a corporation which wants money and they will get it one way or another if you limit their access to your money you will have no problem, this means no credit cards, no account numbers no direct withdraw nothing is safe once you give them access they keep it until your contract ends taking as much as they want because there are no rules on how fare in advance they can make you pay so that is example of the 3000 trainer, so everyone limit access and tell what you want and they will change. Think of it as negotiation like a cell phone contact.
Hop this helps for the rest of your life.
Word to the wise anything you buy in todays world weather it is phone cable fitness, do in cash and month to month becuse they are only out there to make money protect your self
you people are stupid as shit to sign up. laff @ u x2
I am in the process of suing Extreme fitness and based on the posts on this blog I think it should be a class action law suit!
Their bait & switch policy is illegal and I think they should be made to stop it. My brother and I signed up together. He was with me when I asked the question:
"Can I cancel at any time?"
Not only was I was told yes by the sales rep, but he also went out of his way to reference a section of my contract that stated I just had to give the club 14 days to cancel the contract!
So while I agree that consumers have a responsibility to read the documents that they're signing, I also feel that a company should not be allowed to lie to potential customers!
In regards to my upcoming lawsuit, I would really appreciate it if I could get statements from everyone. Alternatively, I would also welcome anyone else who wishes to join my lawsuit. Please feel free to contact me at my email address: nashebes@hotmail.com
Thanks in advance to anyone who helps!
Nasheba
I am in the process of suing Extreme fitness and based on the posts on this blog I think it should be a class action law suit!
Their bait & switch policy is illegal and I think they should be made to stop it. My brother and I signed up together. He was with me when I asked the question:
"Can I cancel at any time?"
Not only was I was told yes by the sales rep, but he also went out of his way to reference a section of my contract that stated I just had to give the club 14 days to cancel the contract!
So while I agree that consumers have a responsibility to read the documents that they're signing, I also feel that a company should not be allowed to lie to potential customers!
In regards to my upcoming lawsuit, I would really appreciate it if I could get statements from everyone. Alternatively, I would also welcome anyone else who wishes to join my lawsuit. Please feel free to contact me at my email address: nashebes@hotmail.com
Thanks in advance to anyone who helps!
Nasheba
In my opinion, Extreme Fitness is dishonest. They are misleading people into signing contracts. They are taking advantage of people.
I hope you succeed in your lawsuit. Extreme Fitness should be stopped from victimizing other people.
Better yet, stay away from Extreme Fitness.
The competitors of Extreme Fitness have never had these many complaints from their members. The the blogs of other gyms.
There is really something very seriously wrong with Extreme Fitness. They will grab you money.
Just a suggestion, stay away from Extreme Fitness. Do not be misled by their flashy advertisements and "discounted" offers. It is all a scam to entice you to sign a contract and tie you for a year. Then, they will not let you off the contract even if you decide that you want to cancel, in case you move.
Stay away from Extreme Fitness.
The extreme fitness club chains and specially the one in Thornhill is sending misleading flyers to its customers in Thornhill and Richmond Hill and the poor customers sign off contracts with some scammers and thiefs who are sweet talkers and female shaggers and if any of the customer would like to cancel during the fake free period it will declined because they are either in a meeting or available with other clients hence the bank accounts will be kept taken advantage of as well as any credit card and if the amount is not paid it will reach collection harassment and the black listed credit report.
Amir Emadian is the membership manager who would exerce negative language and physical gestures to scare off the members who would like to cancel whilst Nathan Nathan the training manager, York region teacher at the board of Education will be the repressor who will make you feel that you are the worst dump and silly person who signed off a contract without understanding its little hidden details.
I was working with a personal trainer, which was costing me 180$ a month (steep, but somewhat manageable). Anyways, my personal trainer told me my sessions would be coming to an end, and I should renew to ensure a smooth transition. I sit down with a manager, scrutinize the contract, it looked fine, so I decide to continue.
15 days later when I get billed, direct deposit style, my account it virtually raped. Checking my account statements, I see Extreme Fitness has charged me a bunch of times, over 600$ worth of fees!
So I rush into the Extreme office thinking they've made a mistake... nope, apparently when I signed, they are still charging me 180$ a month for the first 5 months a session, and now an additional 300$ for the next sessions, essentially shouldering 600$ a month with gym fees tossed in there.
I'm flabbergasted, told them they didn't tell me I'd be double-billed if I renew services, thought I'd be billed in the same manner as before. The manager had assured me they could break up the costs into smaller installments before I has signed, so I ask him to do that. He tells me no, tough shit, go to your bank, get a credit card and start paying off your dues ASAP.
SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS a month? I barely make 400$ a week as a fledgling freelance designer, who can support costs like that?
I spent 4 hours of my time trying to quit Extreme Fitness yesterday, (as well as most of the weekend playing phone tag with managers, or dealing with people who didn't have any authority to cancel my account) Spent the Monday chasing runaway managers and trying to jump through hoops.
While waiting for an hour for a manager to emerge from his office, I poke my head in to realize he'd slipped out! Pissed, I sat in his office, and on his desk there was a giant stack of letters, all dated from June, essentially saying, "I canceled my account and you're still billing me; You're double billing me, cease and desist!", etc...
I finally managed to corner the manager while roaming the building and we went to see the head honcho together. My paperwork to "move" looked fine, and I could quit, IF, I pay them 171$ to cover my "free" three months that were on gym membership. They also told me, there was no guarantee my account will actually be canceled, it was the discretion of head office to approve or deny, they were simply sending my request to them...
Anyways, I was frustrated, yelled at them, called their scam, told them I was closing my bank account, and dared them to bring their collection agency after me...
The Manager by the name of Alex Kumar has absolutely NO moral or ethics at all! i cant even believe a place like extreme fitness has him working there! Im not sure if this is the same with all extreme fitness gyms. but be careful when you go in and do not sign anything! The do not care about you as a person at all! All they care about is stealing your money!! I made the mistake of signing a contract trusting the salesperson who signed me up and i did not read the contract to find out i signed up for an entire year and when i went back in to cancel my contract after only 25 days, using the gym ONCE he did not want to hear a thing i had to say and wants to charge me about $800bucks! So they are currently charging my CC monthly and i live about 1hour from the gym!! ALEX KUMAR is probably one of the most UNETHICAL people i have ever come across in my lifetime!!
Be careful of the scams they pull over there because they DO NOT care about you as a customer!
They too got me when I tried to renew and it took awhile to figure out I was being charged twice for personal training services. I went in a few times because it felt like my account had been hit, and the manager assured me with a smile that the problem was taken care of. Sure enough, they were charging me twice... I only found out where the problem was stemming from when I peered over the manager's shoulder at his computer, and saw their price structure... I had to turn the computer screen my way, because the manager kept hiding the problem with smiles, obfuscation, and "free" gym time to calm me down.
I wonder how the people feel like who work there. How can people be so cold, and tell you one thing (we can break up payments into installments, everything's been taken care of) and then turn around and mess with you. Lie to my face, scam me, make my life a living hell.
We've got a big bad business that's moved into town and my feeling is they have to be chased out. We need a modern day lynch mob, no holds barred. People keep warning me about creating waves, as though I could get in trouble for tarnishing their reputation. You'd think screwing people over indiscriminately would do that just fine.
I called my bank to block the gym, and the woman was very lenient and understanding, saying they'd been getting tons of complaints about Extreme Fitness and assured me they won't be able to charge me again.
What worried me, is that they started up their new direct mail, THREE FREE MONTHS, Summer campaign all through town, and we really should be protecting people from wandering into this snake pit of lies.
Since the accident I've been flat on my back for nearly the whole time and did not know the fee 'freeze' that EF offers.
So I went to the St. Clair gym last week to see about which machine I'd consider using to build my leg back up. Some staffer told me that I would be eligible for a 'freeze' even though I didn't 'book' the 'freeze' in advance (seems it's meant for people who have lengthy travel on business or who are on vacation for months at a time). It sounded reasonable to me and I agreed to bring what documentation I had confirming the date of the injury next time I came to the gym.
I limped into the gym yesterday and they refuseed to accept my hospital records as proof and tell me that I need a letter from the doctor stating that, "I had not been to the gym since my injury". I pointed out to them that my doctor couldn't possibly know if that was true or not because I had been at home almost the whole time since the injury, but the doctor couldn't confirm that, and that I would not ask the doctor to lie.
I was then told that I had been misinformed by the person I had spoken to last week about their policies and that I could not get credit for the time I was unable to use the gym due to my injury.
At no point did they offer to discuss this with a manager, even though I requested that be done. At no point did they express any other method that could be used to resolve the discrepancy between what I had been told last week and yesterday.
I canceled my membership on the spot, and told them that they had just lost my business and that of anyone else I could persuade not to join them.
Whoever is running Extreme Fitness is probably a con man. And he has most likely accumulated a lot of money already by scamming honest people.
It is sad to see that crime pays.
I hope people will stay away from Extreme Fitness, for their own sake.
Clubs is now being used by Extreme Fitness. It just
probably needed a little tweaking to avoid being fined by
the federal Competition Bureau. It is sad for the
consumers.
See the 2007 ruling below.
http://www.cb-bc.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/02518.html
Premier Fitness Undisclosed Fees Investigation
Successfully Concluded
Competition Bureau Reaches Settlement with Fitness Club
Chain in Ontario
Ottawa, November 27, 2007 – The Competition Bureau
announced that it has reached a consent agreement with
Premier Fitness Clubs, resolving the Bureau’s concerns
over some of the company’s advertising practices from
1999 to 2004. The agreement was filed today with the
Competition Tribunal.
During the course of its investigation, the Bureau
determined that Premier Fitness Clubs did not adequately
disclose additional fees that consumers would be
obligated to pay in some of its advertising of membership
offers on the radio, billboards, storefront signs, and in
newspapers and flyers. Consumers who were induced by free
trial offers ultimately had to pay a mandatory “fitness
assessment” and/or had to sign up for a one-year contract
in order to receive the “free” 30-90 day trial offer.
As a result, the actual price of memberships was greater
than what the advertisements led consumers to believe.
This contravened the false or misleading representations
provision of the Competition Act. Premier Fitness Clubs
owns and operates 35 clubs in Ontario.
“The Bureau is committed to ensuring that consumers are
not enticed to make purchases based on misleading
information,” said Andrea Rosen, Acting Deputy
Commissioner of Competition. “Truth in advertising is
fundamental so that Canadians do not sign contracts or
make purchases only to find that additional costs have
not been disclosed.”
Following the Bureau’s investigation, Premier Fitness
Clubs has voluntarily taken steps to correct its
advertising practices in order to conform with the law.
This cooperation, along with the consent agreement, have
resolved the Bureau’s concerns without having to proceed
with costly litigation.
Under the terms of the 10-year consent agreement, Premier
Fitness Clubs is required to:
-pay an administrative monetary penalty of $200,000.00;
-publish a corrective notice in three Ontario daily
newspapers (the Toronto Sun, the Toronto Star, and the
Ottawa Citizen);
-display a corrective notice in its clubs and on its Web
site;
-implement a new corporate compliance policy to cover its
marketing practices; and
-not make false or misleading representations in future
promotional materials.
The Competition Bureau is an independent law enforcement
agency. We contribute to the prosperity of Canadians by
protecting and promoting competitive markets and enabling
informed consumer choice.
I don't do any of the classes, I just go 5-7 times a week to exercise. It's a good gym with good equipment, it's conveniently located, and I'm paying $78 per month (with 4 additional months free, so net monthly price is $58.50)
If you want to learn about exercise, check out some forums like bodybuilding.com, johnstonefitness.com or Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding. You can teach yourself - this stuff pretty simply, and it's much better to be self-reliant in the gym. I can't believe what some of these trainers charge, it's crazy. If I paid that much for training I would regret it too.
Steve daCosta - President and Founder of Extreme Fitness
Jim Solomon - Chief Executive Officer
Taso Pappas - Executive Vice President
Alison Stephens - Public Relations
Ph: 416â303â0947
alisons@extremefitness.info
www.extremefitness.info
I went to the yonge and shep. location and found that it was never to busy to get on a machine, and it was fairly clean. When signing up I asked a lot of questions and made sure everything was in writing. Just remember, BUYER BEWARE. When signing up, ask for clarification on certain points, and if you don't understand it, walk away. Yes i paid about $70 a month, but i lost about 30 pounds and felt great. The equipment was new, I had a tv on almost every machine to watch. I more recently signed up with goodlife for a year, and found that their machines were run down, locations weren't as clean, bathrooms stunk.
I've been to a few extreme locations: yonge shep, thornhill, and pickering. Compared to goodlife locations at: vic park and steeles, yonge and shep, and 404 and finch. Verdict, i would go back to extreme fitness anyday over goodlife. just know what your signing. If you want personal trainers, be aware of what your paying for at extreme. I inquired about it, and they break the payments down over a full year. Eg: $1200 worth of personal training /12 gives you an extra $100 per month. Lets say that $1200 only lasts for 4 months, and you want more, they'll charge you more. just remember, BE AWARE. I loved that gym, and its probably been one of the best ones in terms of equipment availability. PS I always had a good interaction with their customer service/sales people (signed a friend up, and instead of giving us one gym bag, we got two)
Based on BBB files, this business has a BBB Rating of "F".
Reasons for this rating include:
182 complaints filed against business
Failure to respond to 4 complaints filed against business.
6 complaints filed against business that were not resolved.
Length of time business has taken to resolve complaint(s).
Phone: (905) 709-1248
Fax: (905) 709-5643
Address: 8281 Yonge St, Thornhill, ON L3T 2C7
Website: www.extremefitness.com
Principal Contact: Mr. Taso Pappas, V.P. Sales/Marketing
Customer Contact: Mr. Taso Pappas - (905) 709-1248
Email Address: tasop@extremefitness.info
Customer Complaint History - for EXTREME FITNESS
BBB processed a total of 183 complaints about this company in the last 36 months, our standard reporting period. Of the total of 183 complaints closed in 36 months, 93 were closed in the last year.
These complaints concerned :
6 regarding Advertising Issues
46 regarding Billing or Collection Issues
84 regarding Contract Issues
5 regarding Customer Service Issues
1 regarding Product Issues
15 regarding Refund or Exchange Issues
21 regarding Sales Practice Issues
5 regarding Service Issues
These complaints were closed as:
134 Resolved
6 Unresolved
39 Administratively Closed
4 No Response
stop posting how much you love extreme fitness.. you obviously work there, or a part of their team.
go away. none of us care, or want to read it. if only you have gone though what we have gone though.. you would see EXTREME FITNESS IS A LAYING PIECE OF SHIT. thank you.
I will not be surprised if they go bankrupt in a few years, after grabbing all the money they can get and running away with it.
I'm a member at the Richmond location, and I'm very happy with my experience there. Very nice facilities and good equipment. Rarely so busy that I have to wait for a machine. The staff seems, for the most part, very friendly and helpful. The girls who did my initial registration still stop to chat and see how i'm doing when I see them around the gym. I did sign up for training (something I was interested in going in) and they matched me up with a phenomenal trainer who really knows her stuff and is a pleasure to work out with.
Judging from the posts here the other Extreme locations have serious issues. But I can vouch for the Richmond gym.
I was going to try extreme fitness with a ten day trial that lead into a membership. After deciding prior to my ten days ending that this gym was not for me I canceled my membership. I went to the branch I had joined and after waiting for ten minutes to see a manager-to cancel- I had to wait another 15 minutes for them to complete the process as their systems weren’t working, understandable it happens. The cancellation was completed by a paper form and the manager on duty assured me that once the systems were back to working he would correct the account as canceled. Everything was fine until two months later I receive a credit card statement with charges to the gym. After calling the same branch speaking to the manager working they said my account was still active. She felt that calling me ‘sweetie’ and asking for me to find my information for the situation to be resolved that this was good customer service. I explained I would like the manager who set my account up and canceled it to take care of the issue, which she said he isn’t working and will get to it when he can. I then asked for the phone number to the head office, which no one knew. How do associates of a large company not have the simplest information regarding their company? I am so turned off from Extreme Fitness that the thought of the gym leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, maybe that’s their trick to getting people fit- treat them so poorly they’re so disgusted they can’t even think of food. Word to the wise when seeing their ‘offers’ or ‘great deals’, if it seems too good to be true-it isn’t true- case point, Extreme Fitness.
Enjoy the gym, but be smart about how you join.
When it comes to these gyms, you are paying the facilities, and in most case these gyms are large, and well equipped. All gyms have busy times, complaining about this is childish.
I agree the Richmond location pushes trainers way too hard, however if you are firm, they will back off. The management staff there was efficient in meeting my requests.
I have seen unprofessional front desk staff at Whitby but overall the staff at all locations are good. Some are very good.
Recently Ive seen young people at Pickering, 13 or so and do not think that they should be training even if they have trainer. It generally not accepted any kid under 16 has the muscle and skeletal development for resistance training, and any gym staff should know this.
Other than that this gym chain is on par or better than others, depending on what you value.
They care ONLY about your MONEY.
And they will screw you. They know they can get away with it.
It is ONE BIG SCAM.
Disgruntled Member- I didn't know it was 34 sessions first of all. They gave me a TOTAL cost before any other info. And before I signed up for PT, they had giving me a specific trainer that would match my specific goals and physique and told me no matter what my schedule was, that this specific trainer would have to oblige by it. So, thats what made me confident in getting PT.And i did complain after, and the manager of the health cntr switched me with 3 diff trainers in that period of 2 months. so go figure i didn't reach my goals.The trainers' schedule was either so packed that they couldn't fit me in for weeks at a time,or some BS.And im not stupid, I always cancelled 24 hrs notice.Maybe you have a stick in ur pants so they treated you a bit differently....
I explained I will be staying in a hotel at first until I find an apt. to live in the US, and this is the contract, so I would have to continue to pay.
I said I would tell my credit card to stop payment from Extreme Fitness and he said that if I don't pay then it will go to a collection company. I later called him to say that I was laid off in March of this year, and have a record of employment to prove it. His attitude to my situation was so infuriating and arrogant, that I did not feel I am a customer but someone who was an obstacle for him to overcome.
I went home and checked the contract, and it was not signed by me or the salesman who sold me the membership.
Since the contract is not signed please let me know if it is binding and does this guy have a case?
In any case he does not have the right to bully paying customers.
They will never let you off the hook. They will create barriers and excuses so that you can not cancel your membership - unless you create hell for them. Do a search on Youtube for "Charles Huang Extreme Fitness". You will see what I mean.
I suspect that the managers lose commissions or salary whenever there are cancellations. Thus, these managers lie, bully, harass, intimidate, and do everything else to avoid any cancellation.
They know how to play the game and they get away with it.
That is how these greedy people make money. They have no morals.
If the Extreme Fitness contract for 1 year membership was not signed, is it valid? If the sales guy forgot to ask me to sign and he didn't sign it, I don't see how Extreme can enforce payment.
Any lawyers out there who have dealt with gym membership contracts? I'd love to know if they have just cause.
Cheers,
V
In cases like this, they are usually settled before any court action is taken.You have to simply imply that you have the intent to take it to court, and if you do, represent yourself. If there isn't a binding agreement (contract) which by law can only be enforced through a signature of an adult over the legal age of minority; then it is null and void. No questions asked. Take that to management or the head office. But make sure you make copies of the contract and always travel with a copy of the contract, not the original copy. Keep that safe, that is your only evidence and can't afford to be tampered with.
hope that helps
He is very intimidating, and overbearing and is a big guy. He did not treat me like a customer but was quite pissed that I am moving, and he kept referring to the terms of my contract and that I am responsible for payment of the full year. I read the small print of the contract and it says it must be signed by both parties to be valid.
I called Ministry of Consumer Services and they said if I have a paper trail proving that I asked them for it, and they refuse to give it to me, I can fill out a complaint form. In this case there is something on record that I tried to get a copy of the contract if they send it to collections and ruin my credit rating.
I suspect that Extreme does not have a signed contract so they can't hold me to make payment against my will. I will keep you posted....
V
Since it is not in the contract that I must retrieve the agreement in person, he is clearly intimidating me. Now I can make my complaint to Ministry of Consumer Services.
so where are you reading all of this fine print in the contract? If you have a copy, then why do you need to retrieve the one from the club? If your copy isn't signed but the clubs copy is signed, then its still valid. They have a case against you. Even though it is the responsibility of you to get a copy of the contract (either yellow, white, or pink sheet) that is signed and dated as well. If it is not dated then its not valid. So there's no way that your contract isnt signed but there copy is..because they contract is one sheet with copy's attached to the end of it, when you sign, it seeps into all 3 sheets. You should go into the club and look at your contract.Thats the first step.
Just a few suggestions.
In case you will see the manager in person, be prepared. Bring in a friend or someone as a witness and moral support. Expect bad behaviour from them. They could be abusive, rude, intimidating, insulting, etc. That is part of their strategy and dirty tricks. They might even let you wait for an hour or so before seeing you. They will try every trick in the book to force you to give in. They are also trying to scare other members from cancelling.
That is why it is important to bring a witness, or even a recorder/video (it worked for Charles Huang - see him on Youtube).
You can let them know as well that you will consider going public - internet, media, BBB, facebook, youtube, blogs, etc. Bad publicity could hurt their business.
You might consider filing a complaint at Better Business Bureau (www.mwco.bbb.org). If you file a complaint, Extreme Fitness will be obliged to respond to your complaint since they would not want to have a bad record at BBB.
Check out also Ontario Consumer Protection (http://www.gov.on.ca/MGS/en/ConsProt/050451.html).
Good luck.
Frank
Name: Extreme Fitness Inc- HO**
Phone: (905) 709-1248
Address: 8281 Yonge St, Thornhill, ON L3T 2C7
Customer Complaint History - Total 192 complaints
These complaints concerned :
5 regarding Advertising Issues
52 regarding Billing or Collection Issues
88 regarding Contract Issues
4 regarding Customer Service Issues
1 regarding Product Issues
17 regarding Refund or Exchange Issues
20 regarding Sales Practice Issues
5 regarding Service Issues
These complaints were closed as:
141 Resolved
6 Unresolved
41 Administratively Closed
4 No Response
I asked today for a copy of the signed contract to be scanned and emailed, or a copy mailed to my house.
General Manager's response was - I must come in to the gym for a copy of it and get it from him personally, and this is not negotiable.
I replied... OK will do, and that I will go in tomorrow at a certain time to pick it up.
I will keep you posted of how it turns out.
Thanks for your responses and support
If you have a lawyer friend or anyone who is a good debater, you should bring him/her along. Expect to be verbally harassed or abused. Be ready to protect yourself and stand your ground. They might even claim that they do not have a copy of your contract anymore. They said this to one former member.
Good luck. I hope it turns out in your favor.
Frank
MONEY SUCKING is what they are!
I went in and at reception they have 4 young good looking people standing there doing nothing and all laughing and talking with each other. They each avoid meeting my eye, and ignored me, until I finally said... excuse me...Then they act like spoiled brats and look at me as if I am irritating them for interrupting their nonsense.
I asked to see the general manager and one of them called him. After talking with him for a while, I was told that he is on a tour... do I want to wait? I said I was supposed to pick-up a copy of my agreement from him, and maybe someone else can get it for me. The fellow got on the phone and called the office to ask for a rep to help me with this. While I was waiting a girl at reception said... 'You can just go and sit down, someone will be with you' with a certain degree of contempt. I replied... I am talking to him... and she backed off.
This place is like high school all over again....
I went to the office and the rep said they keep the signed original since they are the ones who need it, the customers get an unsigned printout and it is all we need because it has the rep's name on it. I said... if you have a signed agreement between two parties each should get a copy. She looked amazed. Obviously the general manager is good at bullying customers who want to leave the gym, and not so good at customer service and training of his staff who adopt their attitudes from him.
Incidentally, when they are selling memberships, and expensive services that no one needs - like training; they are very polite patient, friendly and answer all questions.
I got my signed copy of the agreement in the end, and will send them the documents they want so they can cancel my membership once I move to another city. If any other problems arise I will post them.
V
1. Inform the management via a dated letter of your problem and send this via registered mail or email - be sure to keep a copy of the registered mail receipt and/or email. You need proof that you tired to resolve issue in writing.
2. Call your credit card company to ask how to reverse an unauthorized charge. They will ask you probably to submit your problem in writing and will give you a file claim. Be sure to include a copy of the letter you sent to Extreme Fitness - to prove that you tried to resolve the issue with the vendor.
3. VISA and other credit card companies give vendors 30 days from the time you make your claim against a vendor for the vendor to defend themselves. If they do not have adequate reasons for the charges - then VISA enforces a credit back to your account. There is a time limitation on requesting charges credited to your account - usually 90 days - so act within this time frame.
4. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. The Consumer Protection Act (2002)has a special provision for the rights of consumers who join fitness clubs. For example, all contracts with these clubs must end after 1 year and renewal depends upon a club sending adequate notice (at least 30 days) and also re-submitting the contract to you for approval before your renewal date. If a contract is renewed without notice, you have the right to terminate the contract and receive back any fees that you have paid. Even if you mess up a bit by signing a contract that puts you at a disadvantage - you still have rights - Follow this link to receive more information.
http://www.gov.on.ca/mgs/en/ConsProt/STEL02_167897.html
3. After you receive your credit back, cancel your card and request a new one. Inform Extreme Fitness in writing that they are no longer entitled access to your credit card.
4. AS a general rule - never give companies free access to your credit card! Cheques are equally acceptable if you have to pay for something in installments. You have much more control over your funds.
5. As a way to combat the fraudsters at Extreme Fitness, I would suggest that anyone who has been forced to accept unauthorized VISA charges through the unethical management should write to the Consumer Protection Agency to complain about the vendor. The agency investigates companies and prints lists of problem companies. Here is the address: Consumer Protection Branch
5775 Yonge Street, Suite 1500
Toronto ON M7A 2E5
Fax: (416) 326-8665
Also - here is the online complaint form:
http://www.gov.on.ca/mgs/en/ConsProt/STEL02_168949.html
After being pressured into getting the trainer and nutrionist I decided i couldn't afford it and now they won't let me out of the contract.
Have you had any success with it yet?
On the very next day, I plan to switch to Goodlife.
Peter r
Long story short I had to go in again a week or two later to talk to the manage, Al Emadian, who was of course very rude. When you first sign up the salesperson asks you to rate the importance of your health on a scale from 1 to 10. They will use this against you when you express that you don't want to join. Both Al (the GM) and Jay (the salesperson) would say "but I thought you said your health is a high priority... you rated it 8/10!" when you say you want to cancel or not sign up. When Al asked me "Is your health a priority for you right now?" I just answered "No, it's not." He had nothing to say in response LOL
Anyway when dealing with the GM's you just have to hold your own and be aggressive. You have to play their game and not let them bully you.
Anyway, I'm just posting to say thanks! I have many friends who are EF members and have asked me to join. But after a quick search and this blog, I will stay away from that corporation for as long as I live!
I'm glad people are sending complaints to the BBB. Giving government cubicle workers something to do for our taxes!
The problem is, the BBB or anyone else for that matter will not bring EF down! You people have to realize that whoever started EF, sat down, invested their own money, and came up with a killer business plan to feed off the naive, young 20/30 somethings living in the condo-world that is Toronto. EF during it's conception most likely had a team of lawyers proof-read and design their business plan. They all know that what they are doing is unethical. It's not a scam though!!!! They're just using our poor economic/business policies to their advantages. They've found loop holes in the system and their feeding them for every penny.
It's your own fault if you give in to some sale person's sweet talk and drop your credit card information without reading all the fine print. Ha. It's not a fraud or a scam. It's smart (greedy and unethical!!) business people taking advantage of stupid, naive mostly young Torontonians who continue to put everything on credit and who are willing to go into major debt to join the "posh" gym with the "in crowd".
The sales general manager, STEPHANIE, is a terrible person. She doesn't care about any complaints. why she's general manager? she only cares about money. That's it! we have to do something against Extreme fitness club.
Stopping payment does not negate the fact that the person signed a 1 year contract.
You gave 'DanforthDistress' very bad advice.
Last week, I threw away one of the infamous ExF $10 promotion flyers. The moment I saw it in my mailbox, I shook my head and thought, "No way you're pulling me into your web of BS, pushy, intimidating marketing/sales tactics." These people will never change. They're consistently strong-arming people under the auspicious of an accommodating work-out facility. And heaven help those who sign on the dotted line without doing their homework. Just read this thread from beginning to end. It's scary; the education is priceless. It's amazing how these people haven't changed their "extreme bullying" since inception. With experience, and reading and hearing about the experience of so many others, all I can say in conclusion is, "Beware of ExF's web of deception." I repeat, "Beware."
If you decide against Extreme because some people had problems financially then it's your loss. As far as the clubs go - they are clean, well stocked and set-up and the staff are friendly and courteous. Just as every other down-town gym, there are high traffic times, that being said, when I've asked for more equipment, they've gotten it and there's lots of cleaning staff around. I love it. But then again, I have stayed true to my commitment to my health so it's money well spent.
Managers and staff of other gyms are not rude and unprofessional.
Managers of other gyms do not yell or bully members.
Other gyms do not engage in misleading ads and promos. Such deceitful ads indicate bad faith.
Extreme Fitness make it extraordinarily difficult to cancel, even if it is within the 10-day time period.
Other gyms do not double bill members and then fail to reverse it.
Other gyms do not get tons and tons of complaints. Just read this blog.
Something tells me that something is wrong with one specific gym.
So many people have the same complains. Surely, they can not be all wrong.
I'm on the fence here. I can agree that Extreme has all the newest machines and atrractive layouts, but I am coming from a bit of a different perspective. I work at an international school here in Toronto and there is an Extreme location nearby to us. Many of our students continue to messed over by EF and it is very frustrating. The students are very clear with staff and tell them that they will be leaving the country at a certain date, and of course after the staff offer up trainers and other services they assure my students that it is okay to cancel when they are leaving. Fast forward to cancelling time and the students are threatened to being charged thousands of dollars on their credit cards or their accounts. This needs to stop. It's a loss for them because no there are signs all around the school now warning them not to go there. I'm sorry but this is the action we have to take.
If it smells like a rotten fish, then, it must be rotten.
And Extreme Fitness smells very fishy.
If anyone can help me out with this question, I will be very grateful.
I do not recommend this gym....just TERRIBLE!!
Extreme Fitness should deliver by mail, at least 30 days but ot more than 90 days before the completion date, a written renewal notice to the member at his/her address. The notice would give the member the option to renew (or extend) the contract or terminate (or cancel) it.
Based on the experience of some members, it appears that Extreme Fitness DOES NOT SENT OUT this RENEWAL/CANCELLATION NOTICES to members. Well, we should not be surprised. Because if members do not receive their renewal/cancellation notices, they will most likely not be able to send a cancellation notice to EF.
And in short, if the members to not send a cancellation notice to Extreme Fitness, their membership contract is AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED ON A MONTH-TO-MONTH BASIS. Surely, that makes Extreme Fitness very happy because they will continue to automatically charge your bank account card / credit card.
And if you want to cancel you membership contract, after the completion of the one year period, I wish you GOOD LUCK. Extreme Fitness will make it difficult for you to cancel it. (1) They will not allow you to do it over the phone. You will have to come in personally and talk to the General Manager. (2) They will not see you immediately. They will let you wait for hours. (3) They will be impolite and rude to you, once they know that you plan to cancel your membership. (4) They want to give you hell, and anybody else who wants to cancel their membership. If you want to know why? They get commission for the fees they collect. Thus, if you cancel your membership, their membership fees collection will decrease, and so will their commission.
I hope they change their strategy because it is unfair and unethical. Besides, many members would surely like to remain as members if only they get treated professionally and honestly.
Anyway, good luck to you Lore, if you want to cancel you membership.
I found an interesting comment from Facebook about Extreme Fitness (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6368482280). It could answer all your questions about Extreme Fitness.
"HOW I CANCELLED MY MEMBERSHIP" (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6368482280&topic=8751):
Many fitness centers out there use various unethical tactics to pressure and persuade people to sign up for a gym membership and lock them into a contract. Obviously this means a steady stream of money from your pocket into theirs for (usually) a year. In many cases this can total almost $1000. In this note I will discuss how I successfully got a full refund a few years ago and hopefully if anyone else is in a similar situation they can use this technique too.
Are You a Victim?
First of all we need to determine if the fitness center you signed up with is one of those unethical money-hungry companies. All of them follow the same basic model. If most of the following happened when you first signed up then you are likely a victim:
* You saw an incredible offer which seemed like a low cost opportunity to test out the facilities : This is used as a 'hook'. It is a technique many restuarants, retails stores and of course gyms use to physically get people into their area of business. Physically getting customers in their place of business is the first step towards getting their money. You may have seen an advertisment such as "$10 per month membership!" or something of the same magnitude. What you don't know is the fine details and the price after the first month.
* When you first contacted them they asked you to bring your credit card: This is to ensure that they are able to get your credit card info from you on your first visit. This is to exploit the Kairos factor which will be discussed later. After explaining all of the costs involved they know that if you leave to think it over you will not come back because it is a substancial amount of money when you think it through. They need to get your credit card information right then while in their high pressure environment. This is a similar tactic some car salesmen use. They may say "Well we have had quite a few people looking at this car, I can't gaurentee it will be here tomorrow". If fact, it may be that no one besides you has shown interest in the car. Obviously this causes you to make a rash decision without thinking it through. Again, some landlords use this technique as well, by saying they have had a lot of people who want to rent a certain place.
* There is no other method of payment besides credit card : With credit cards you are locked into paying them a monthly fee. If you were to pay with cash they don't have this control over you.
* You were given a tour of the facilities before signing up : This is to establish a feeling of guilt and uneasyness later on during the actual contract signing. This is a similar tactic grocery stores use when giving out free samples. After taking a free sample of something do you notice how you feel obligated to buy a package of whatever it may be? Do you feel like you may offend the employee if you don't pick up a box? All of this is planned and known by the stores. In the context of the gym, after the sales associate shows you around you feel obligated to sign the contract or you will be inferring that you didn't like the place and will be offending him/her. On a separate pychological note, simply by seeing other in group members (basically people) working out and enjoying themselves makes you beleive that paying that price is 'normal'. What you don't know is that all of those people fell for the same trap you did.
* The sales associate shared some personal details about their life with you : You may have noticed that the sales associate shared some personal details such as something about their family or life. This is known as interperson interaction as opposed to the usual intergroup interaction in a sales scenario. Essentially this is used to try to establish a pseudo friendship or rapport with you. This is used to make it easier to get you to agree to what they say. Obviously you will be more will to do something that a friend asks rather than a stranger right?
* You were asked to bring a friend or family member with you : Similar to the point directly above, if they can get you to beleive that paying $1000 for a year membership is a good idea then they will use you to recruit your friends and family. In most cases your friends and family trust you and beleive that you won't make them do anything to harm them, include financially. So basically you may be in an office with a sales associate and your friend/family member who want you to sign up. In many cases this is pressure most people can't resist. They will also try to push the health benefits of exercising - which are fully true. What they don't mention is that you can go somewhere else with the same equipment for literally half the yearly price or less.
* They match the sales representative which what appears to be your ethic background or sex : Again, this is to increase the salience of in group membership between you and the sales representative. If you are asian, they may try and get an asian sales associate to deal with you, same with Indian, male, female, etc. By appearing more like you, you are more likely to do what they say.
It should be noted that gyms are legally required to give you a 14 day grace period to cancel your membership with a full refund. If you try to persue cancelling your membership you may experience the following problems if the gym is one of those unethical money-hungry gyms.
* They play hot potatoe with you : It is very difficult if not impossible to reach the manager of the fitness center. They always seem to be in a meeting or out or busy. In addition, the managers frequently leave branches and new ones come. What is actually going on is they rotate managers from various locations and head offices to make it much more difficult for customers to cancel their memberships. By doing this they can play 'dumb' by pretending to not know what your story is and the details of your situation.
* When you ask difficult questions by email or phone you get no response : pretty self explanitory
* They said "You've already made the first step by coming here so obviously your not lazy are you?" This is to establish a feeling of guilt and to make you feel like the one who is doing someone wrong.
* They said "So your just going to give up?, You don't look like someone who simply gives up on something.": same as above
* They say that you can transfer your membership to another friend or family member : If you seem to put up a good fight then they may resort to trying to get you to convince another person you know to take up your membership. Again using friend as a sales tool is very effective.
* If you say that you felt pressured when you signed up they reply with "Well we merely suggested signing up, you made the decision" again, putting the guilt on you.
* Only managers are able to cancel memberships This makes it much more difficult for customers to get a hold of people who can actually cancel the membership. In addition managers are usually well trained in pressuing customers to keep their memberships. Less experienced sales people may not have these skills.
* Cancellations must be done in person : Again, this makes it much more difficult to actually get a hold of the person who can cancel memberships. Plus being in person makes a much more pressuring environment.
* They tell you that cancelling memberships are highly unusual : This is to try and convince you that you are going against the norm.
So finally you may be asking what do you do if your grace period is over and you still want to get out of of your contract? Me and a few people did the following:
Essentially what I did was I talked to a few people at the gym and tried to find some people in the same situation as me (which wasn't too hard at all). We all got devices to record telephone calls (pretty easy to get off ebay for cheap). Then we all tried to cancel our memberships at the same time. We carefully coordinated a system where someone would be in the office at the time when someone else would call to try to talk to the manager. It was soon easy to find cases where the manager was present but was screening his calls. In addition we were able to compile a pretty thorough report of all the tactics they used in every case. We essentially 'reverse engineered' their sales plan by analyzing all of our situations and finding the common elements. Everything from them tilting the computer towards the customer during a recruitment session to everything mentioned above to many other details. We found that they have a carefully thought out procedure but we figured out how it worked. We then gave them a copy of our report to them and their jaws dropped. We threatened to distribute copies of the report to the public (to prevent others from being used) if we didn't get our money back (because we felt we were used). The content of the report was all factual so they couldn't accuse us of slander or libel. We were also careful to present ourselves in a way that didn't constitute blackmail. In addition we then contacted the police force's fraud unit with our report and mentioned this as well. Furthermore, we threatened a class action law suit (however we were bluffing on this because it would have been way to expensive and troublesome).
The whole process took about a month but we all got our money back.
If that report had gotten out to the public then their reputation would have been pretty much ruined and they were well aware of that. Their would be lots of angry people who would want revenge. For any business their reputation is critical if you did not already know. The would have lost a very large amount of future revenue and possibly gone out of business. As with any business, their reputation is the place to attack if you want something to happen.
The following is another counter measure we came up with but never actually had to use. We call it 'starvation':
Starvation:
1. Express your anger towards the manager with regards to you inability to cancel your membership
2.Explain that you will try to come as often as you can. During your visits you will look for people taking a tour and you will go up to them and explain your situation and recommend that they do not sign up
3.The longer you do this, and the more people that do this, the more money they will lose from lost new members. Eventually they will have to cancel your membership. There is nothing they can do since their is no rule against talking to people. If they tell their sales reps to run when they see you then that will just look ridiculous to the customers and will lose them anyway.
So in contrast to above these are things to look for in a fitness center:
* Never give a fitness center your credit card!
* Always pre pay for a time period such as monthy, semi annual or annual
* Don't sign a contract!
* Check out local colleges, universities, recreational centers and smaller not as well known gyms. Usually these places do not require credit cards as payments. In most cases a year long membership will cost around $400 - $600. Probably the best part about these gyms is that there are no contracts!
Anyway, hope all of this helps anyone who is having trouble with gyms. Feel free to copy/forward this as needed. As a final note, do not take your anger out of the receptionists, trainers etc. It is really the executives at the head office, the owners, stakeholders, etc that are responsible for this.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6368482280
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6368482280&topic=8751
A while ago, I signed up for a two month ($20 total) membership at the Dunfield location with "no obligation", followed by a monthly rate of 129.00. I made it perfectly clear that I only wanted to take advantage of the two month offer and would cancel afterwards; and the employee had no problem with that. I didnt find anything deceptive in the contract so far. See this link for the actual contract: http://ifile.it/sai75zp/38295673.rar (has jpgs with the contract and terms/conditions)
If you look at the contract I've highlighted in red boxes the most important clauses: One stating that after the first downpayment ($20), there are 0 obligatory payments to be made. The second stating that I can cancel within 14 days of the end of my first two months. Together, these mean that I CAN CANCEL ANYTIME. Everyone signing up with EX-F should look at these clauses and make sure they understand them.
Feel free to ditribute this information.
<p>A while ago, I signed up for a two month ($20 total) membership at the Dunfield location with "no obligation", followed by a monthly rate of 129.00. I made it perfectly clear that I only wanted to take advantage of the two month offer and would cancel afterwards; and the employee had no problem with that. I didnt find anything deceptive in the contract so far. See this link for the actual contract: http://ifile.it/sai75zp/38295673.rar (has jpgs with the contract and terms/conditions).</p>
<p>If you look at the contract I've highlighted in red boxes the most important clauses:
One stating that after the first downpayment, there are 0 obligatory payments to be made. The second stating that I can cancel within 14 days of the end of my first two months. Together, these mean that I am under no obligation to remain after the first two months; and even if I should, I could cancel anytime. The membership technically is for one year, meaning that they will continue billing me for a year if I dont cancel. People should be aware of these two clauses when they sign up.</p>
<p>Feel free to ditribute this information.</p>
MJ is now working at Wynn Fitness, 416-633-9966
Canadian owned and very reputable.
I don't know where you got "Canadian owned and very reputable". Must me you medication! ahahaha
Extreme Fitness is owned by an american investment company.
I heard Extreme fitness is even suing Wynn Fitness for supplying a better product then they do.
Americans go figure.
I wonder why they still exist, wouldn't the govt authorities and consumer protection authorities and credit card companies know about this.
This kind of practice will permenently damage the industry. I'm spreading this nesw about the Extreme fitness to all my friends and all meetings I go for.
One need to take action to stop this before it goes beyond control.
Recently I saw program called 'Market Place' in CBC or GLOBAL. This program bring all the bad product and unethical business to the light. I'm not sure how to rachout to them to cover a documentary on this.
Please some one who read this take the message across the 'Market Place' program producer.
So I have called the manager, left a message, as well as emailing him. Have heard nothing back. Apparenlty if I dont go in this week they will not cancel my already ending contract and will renew it.
If I do not hear back from the manager TODAY, I will be going to the location (BAY AND BLOOR) with a tape recorder and recording my conversation with the manager. I can see it now....it will be wonderful.
Not to mention, when i initially signed up there, they pressured me so much to sign up for personal training that they actually made me CRY!!! I outright said NO and they kept on pressuring. They had me (a 105lb girl) in a small room with two huge black guys right in my face talking shit...they even took me out onto the gym floor and made me do certain things like push ups or sit ups and told me i was doing them wrong and i NEED personal training. How embarassing!!!!!....I told them I only wanted to use the cardio machines so there was no point.
I am disgusted with Extreme Fitneess, their employees and their scare tactics. ONE DAY they will get what is coming to them!!!!
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FIrstly, not that there isnt enough duly dished out hatred towards extreme here, never in my life have i been to a gym that places such a low value on customer service. I almost felt like I had to fight one of the sales guys today while requesting my cancellation. That said, If you want to cancel, find a friend who is a travel agent and have them print you up a one way ticket to anywhere. Travel agents can do this. Alternatively, ask your doctor (must be a friend) to write you a note. Obviously both of these tactics are fraudulent but so is extreme fitness, gotta compare apples with apples.
Best of luck
I am with you in this no matter what, the kind of response and unethical behavoiour they have shown me , I would like to bring it on to CTV, cbc or nail them down.
Lets do it fckin close this shithole.
DONT FUCKIN SIGN WITH EXTREME FITNESS BAD VERY BAD
Mouthing off at the location is not going to solve the problem that you created by not meeting your end of the agreement (making an appointment is a verbal agreement that is legally binding - like it or not). Would you do this without care to your lawyer, dentist (as you mention), doctor or anyone else? Again, would you want it done to you?
Good luck with your training, I hope in the future you make all your appointments and see great gains in your goals.
so thats y i was so pissed off and the fucker in return was always asking me for my photos before and after losing weight so thats why am saying dont sight with any personal trainers or sign with extreme fitness cuz all what they care about is ur CREDIT CARD THEY R BAD DONT SIGN WITH THEM
The other thing you could try would being going to a different location and talking to a manager there if you're open to switching and can't seem to communicate well with the manager at your location. I'm glad to hear you've had great success with your fitness and wish that one bad experience with charges doesn't overshadow that or all the other positive experiences I'm sure you had through the process.
To Mike - very eloquently and intellectually stated. I wonder if you beat your chest or swung some meat around your head when you typed that.
1) their are all equipment bought with borrowed money
2) Consequently (like your mortgage) they need cash flow constantly
Therefore, gyms are notorious for over charging and tacking on a few extra months at the end when you cancel. My advice is make sure you pay with a credit card. I personally use American Express, who recognise this issue. When I have been overcharged I have called them, faxed in my membership cancellation letter and Amex has refunded the money to me and they take on the Gym.
Wipe that sh!t off of the equipment if you need to. Don't know if extreme has towels around for wiping equipment, but I guess they don't, since you gotta pay for towels yourself (I'm trying to think of every situation which would put a person to knowingly PAY for tower service when they could bring one themselves...unless you're not allowed to bring your own? O__o", or maybe people are too lazy to put it into laundry...). But yeah, I go to the Scarborough YMCA at Town Center. The equipment is average, I guess, but they ain't breaking down anytime soon. The employee's are nice, most of them (can't expect everyone to be). Some of them walk around and give advice, and if you ask for some advice from other members they'd help you out. There's towels and bottles full of water and some kind of substance... smells like vinegar, so you can wipe you're own sweat off. Also, the towels are cycled about every 2 hours so the same ones are not used the whole day. Don't know if there's many YMCA's at Toronto but if there is I suggest to at least check it out. There's very nice member etiquette, most people wipe their sh!t off of the equipment after they use it, and most people put their equipment back. I pay $40/month, and I'm going to ask for financial assistance to try to shave it off to $20/month ^^. By the way, the YMCA also have pools and yoga classes and stuff like that. Only bad thing is that there's barley any chicks my age that go there :P. Haha anyways,
just remember pretty pretty equipment does not largely translate to more fat loss or bigger muscles. They may have better physiological adaptations for the general population but when it comes down to it... paying at extra 30 - 100 dollars just to use nice looking equipment isn't worth the money... and especially the sh!t you need to go through to use it.
1 maintain ur daily calorie intake to 2000-2500
2 go to the gym between 2-3 times and try to burn between 500-700 calories at 150% of heart beat at rest point.
bottom line fitness club are scam scumbags
and besides not showing for a fuckin session doesnot mean am a fatass it can be cause of family issues or work related that proves that you are short sighted and as dumb as a fuckwad no wonder you are working for 10 years as a useless trainer
TO ALL WHO READ THIS BLOG THAT PROVES WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE EXTREME FITNESS HIRE THE KIND OF MEAN RUDE SHORTSIGHTED AND DISCRIMINATING TOWARD OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE AND CLEARLY SHOWS HOW THEY DISRESPECT OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE
thank you mike miller for your response and opening our readers eyers of how extreme fitness runs its business
A year or two after high school, I decided to join a gym. Extreme Fitness has very smooth talking salespeople. Frankly, their most competent staff are the salespeople. The receptionists are rude, and the trainers really couldn't care less.
I signed up, went for a few months, then stopped going altogether. I still kept up with the monthly payments, and it was no small stress paying hundreds of dollars monthly. But i figured it was my lesson to learn for so readily signing a contract fooled by the many smiling and caring staff telling me of the physical goals i'd achieve in no time with their plans.
Still a student, i struggled with these monthly payments and 2 cheques bounced, but i always showed up at their office with cash, with the additional late fee.
then, they started to take money out in different days. It would always get taken out around the 15th, then they changed to the first of each month. Then, they tried to take out money twice in one day, incurring bank charges of 40 dollars. I was so furious, i talked to the "head" sales rep or whatever he chooses to call himself. I asked him to fax over to me a detailed financial receipt of all my payment records. He became evasive and asked why i would want that information.
So then i called their head office and no one picks up there. EVER. so i left messages with various people with long titles to fax me over my records. NO ONE ever got back to me. I eventually gave up and stopped paying with a few months to go. They never called me, they never sent me any letters.
THEN! I would figure AT LEAST 6 (SIX!) months later of nothing, WHAM i get a letter from Shellco Credit Systems LTD, telling me in a threatening letter that if they didn't receive a payment of $825 within 3 days my credit would crash.
I AM COMPLETELY DEVASTATED.
I came on the internet to reassure myself that at least this collection company exists and is legitimate so that i am not falling for another likely scam. ANYTHING TO DO WITH EXTREME FITNESS IS very distasteful, and suspicious to me.
When I called this credit company to tell them that Extreme Fitness had never mailed me a bill complaining about anything, he checked his records to find that they had in fact sent out something but had gotten the wrong apartment number.
????? After receiving other mail from them previously , i find that TOO hard to believe. PLUS they have my phone number.
i just accept the fact that i've been ever so stupid.
I hope this will discourage others from making the same mistake. because this is not only just a mistake of feeling embarassed, it is a mistake that has literally cost me thousands of dollars.
EXTREME FITNESS IS THE WORST GYM TO GO TO IF YOU'RE
SIMPLY AN AVERAGE GIRL OR GUY, HOPING THAT THE "GYM
ATMOSPHERE" WILL HELP YOU TO LOSE WEIGHT, GET FIT.
THIS PLACE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK OUT FULL TIME OR FOR
THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF THE PEOPLE WORKING THERE.
now that i think about it, $280 is an outrageous amount to be giving to the gym for 2 lousy 1hour training session in which 20 mins of is spen "stretching" I think even BAlly's is less expensive.
EXTREME FITNESS is not honest. It is a big company with big intimidating men smiling through the sales then getting mean and nasty when you are not satisfied.
I knew I wasn't going to anywhere about this so I decided to give their gym a try but I told them that I wanted to do a trial first before I consider joining with them. We then agreed that because I had exams going on during that time, they allowed me to have a 2 week grace period before my 1 week trial membership began, in which I could still cancel during that time (therefore, we agreed that I had 3 weeks after November 28,2009 to cancel my membership). Although this was not fully stated in my contract, a date of December 15,2009 was written down to represent when my trial membership would begin, which my friend who was there with me the whole time, can provide testimonial evidence that this agreement did happen.
I realized soon after I had signed the contract that I was not able to afford the membership, so I decided to cancel my membership on December 13,2009 and since I lived too far away from their office, they allowed me to send my member cancellation by email (big mistake!). I followed up a few days after to verify my cancellation, and was told that my membership was cancelled and that I could expect a refund back for their erroneous charges against me.
Fast forward to March 4,2010, I have still not received my refund back so I went into their office to rectify this issue. After going in, they told me that they would only refund a partial amount of $120 rather than the full amount they still owe me of $188.70, under the basis that I had cancelled my membership too late (within 10 days of signing the contract) and would not acknowledge that I was given extra time to cancel my membership. Because our other agreement was not properly documented, I am in a difficult situation to dispute this. The only evidence I can provide is the first hand witness testimony from my friend who was with me when I had signed up.
After this incident, I got into contact with the general manager, Gordon Roblin and he said that he would look into this but I have not heard back from him ever since. Instead, I was repeatedly put on the phone with the same people I spoke to when I came into their office. They are still not acknowledging that I had extra time to cancel and refusing to give me back my money. I put way too much trust into these scammers, thinking that they would uphold their words and promises but I was dead wrong. They honestly don't care who they scam, even people who come from low income families like me.
I'm still fighting this dispute to this date. I am not giving up until I get my full refund back because what they are doing is wrong and I truly do feel cheated and scammed. It's time for people to rise up and defend our rights. Extreme Fitness is not a proper business and they should be exposed and punished for their fraudulent and unethical practices.
Hello, Recently me and my girlfriend went to the whitby location to complain about our trainer. The trainer was consistently not showing up for appointments and canceling them within minutes of their actual time. once my girlfriend even drove to the location for an appointment and sat in the waiting room for a great length of time before finally asking the front desk where her trainer was. The front desk informed her that her trainer was not their and and they had no idea where she was. shortly after that the trainer ceased to call and make any appointments with jessica. Jessica found it extremely difficult to remain motivated and meet her goals when she was not even taught her full workout plan. Her trainer also at several sessions made comments about jessica's sex life jessica was in a long distance relationship at the time and would go for a month or so without intercourse.
Her trainer consistently made comments relating to the inability to go that length of time without intercourse this made jessica extremely uncomfortable at the location. All of the above and more was brought to the attention of the general manager. During the consultation with The GM he bacame confrontational attemtping to insult my intelligence and belittle me. When i pointed out what he was trying to do he said he is insulting me because i came in to his "place of business" <
We were then brought to the health department where they sat us down and attempted to sweet talk jessica and to calm her down. But after seeing how the general manager of the facility acted jessica never wants to set foot in the gym again she feels extremely unwelcome the actions of the managment have greatly reduced her motivation rendering her membership and remaining training sessions useless.
When we arrived at the gym we were in no way seeking to cancel our contract with the gym we were simply looking to communicate a few issues however seeing how we were both treated with disrespect she had no choice but to suggest it the health center refused to cancel the contract. the momment i brought up the issues with the gym she immediately closed her office door so that other clients could not hear our conversation. In the end she refused to cancel
I called later the following day and spoke to the membership manager his Julian i explained to julian how she is now uncomfortable there and that jessica feels threatened by the staff and now will not go to the gym. Julian got on the defensive and called me an Idiot. the conversation went on and the he called me an idiot again and started trying to insult my lifestyle by saying i have far too much time on my hands to be making this call regarding Jessica. I commented that i own a home based business doing IT consulting and do well for myself. He replied by what seemed to be him basicly saying "wanna go" or come down here and fight.
I then contacted the Public Relations Manager and let her know the situation she has since forwarded my email to the regional manager.
If jessica does not get her membership canceled and has no choice but to go to the gym she will have no choice but to steer people away not only at her place of work nearby that regularly forwards members but also to the members that engage in conversation with her relating to the club.
For anyone interested here is an article on extreme fitness pickering
This is about a steroid and drug bust sting at that location
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20070329/drug_raid_arrests?hub=TorontoHome
let me know
Then go tell them you membership is cancelled, and you put a stop on the payments.
Call Paula Dow at their head office 905-709-9498
They just talk big, do not pay them a dime.
Most of the staff at one point used to be decent as well, but for some reason, it's like the whole persian family works there too. Since then the business has been going down the slopes really quickly. It is such a shame. I wish they learnt how to interact properly and had a sense of social connection and ability. I guess it is not their fault they come from a country where all they do it labour intensive work which requires no education.
Further to Robert's point about weights not being put away...well, no one puts them back. That's includes all of their trainers.
To any who are considering opening their own gym near the Extreme (dunfield club). I would garauntee my membership to your gym for 20+ years.
Dave
I just recently received a letter from them saying that I owe them almost $900. Is there anyway around this?
I haven't even used the gym since I cancelled my credit card.
How would I go about cancelling this membership? It's been a year.
During the middle of my regular workout, the Health Center Manager, who goes by the name of “Dinelo”, accosted me and my training partner and friend, D.A.Nicholson. In front of a myriad gym members and employees, he vehemently told us to get out of the club right then and there. When we asked why, he accused me of “training” my training partner and went on the say that, “…it wasn’t allowed…he had been watching me train him for the last 6 weeks…” Meanwhile, my friend and I have been training together for the last 2 years at that exact same location uneventfully! In fact, prior to Dinelo’s recent promotion to Health Center Manager, he has been privy to witnessing my friend and I train together for at least the last year!
I believe Dinelo has had a personal agenda against me ever since he was wearing the “personal trainer” hat. On several occasions, he has tried to bully me in the gym. About 6 months prior to the termination of my membership, he approached me and told me to “keep my voice down and to not count my reps out loud because it was “disrupting his client’s breathing”. Meanwhile, it was he who had moved his client closer to where my training partner and I were doing our exercises. Also, I was counting out my reps in a regular voice and tone. About 1 month ago, he tried to make me a bring a piece of apparatus (an aerobic stepper) up to the second floor and said if my training partner or I didn’t bring it back upstairs he would kick us out of the gym. Meanwhile, the stepper originated on the floor I was using it on.
I am a prominent and distinguished member of the Toronto District School Board. I have been an Educator in the elementary panel for over 9 years. As it happens to be, I am a very accomplished national level bodybuilder and fitness trainer. I own and operate a personal training business, www.michaelferrer.ca out of “Fortis Fitness” located at 276 Carlaw Ave. So, am I being punished because people know I’m a professional trainer? Therefore, regardless of whomever I’m training with, I may always be perceived as “training them”!
The General Manager at Extreme Fitness (Tim Nielson) will tell you that he has to side with Dinelo because he doesn’t work the “back end” and is therefore not able to comment on what does or doesn’t go on, on the gym floor and that he mainly works “front end” sales. He will also refer to an incident that transpired on Sunday, March 21, 2010 at approximately 11:30am, wherein the head consultant “Jason” told me that I “looked like I was training someone”. I told him the truth: That my studio was out of commission for one day, so two (2) of my clients (who have memberships with Extreme thanks to me) had no place train, so after my own workout, I helped them both get familiar and acquainted with the gym floor. Jason told me that this practice wasn’t permitted; I told him that I understood and that was the end of that. In fact, that morning, Dinelo ran up to me as if to grab me by the shoulder but Jason stopped him just before he could touch me and told him that he had already spoken with me, that we had an understanding and that everything was cool.
I beg to ask, after Dinelo is Health Center Manager for three days, all of a sudden I’m “training” my own training partner that I’ve been training with for the past two years? It’s blatant discrimination if I ever saw it. A misuse and abuse of authority at the very least! How can such prominent organizations such as Extreme Fitness, condone this type of discriminatory practice?
In the final analysis, I’m not looking for reinstatement into the club. In fact, it would be quite uncomfortable to be training in the presence of such discriminatory practice. What is however perplexing to me is the nature in which the accusation was conveyed. Dinelo called us out in the middle of our workout, in the presence of neighbours, friends and cohorts and accused us of doing injustice! He raised his voice, interrupted our workout and embarrassed us in front of the entire (30 odd person) population of the club! I asked him if we could discuss this in private after completion of our workout and he replied, “No! I want you guys to leave right now! Do you understand the meaning of leave? You two can not finish your workout.” He continued to be confrontational with me by standing in my way when I tried to rack my dumbbells.
To make a long story short, I feel that my image of being an outstanding member of the community was tarnished and my reputation as a solid professional trainer was compromised and for what? There is no proof of his allegations and there never will be because the fact that I was training with a friend, was in no way in breach of the membership contractual agreement. I plan to pursue this matter through a civil litigation suit, claiming defamation of character and arbitrary public humiliation.
I went in and spoke with John who insulted my previous fitness goals during the tour and then turned extremely condescending when I begin rejecting their insistence that I sign for a plan that extends beyond the first two trial periods.
Here's the kicker: when I expressed that I didn't want to sign anything and that what they wanted me to do was much more complicated than what I wanted, he ACTUALLY said to me "So what did you think was going to happen?"
>>>>>>>>>EXTREME FITNESS: is it really unrealistic of me to expect that you are offering a no contract trial membership, when you constantly circulate propaganda stating that you're offering a no contract trial membership??
Thornhill Corporate office: 905-709-1248
When you call, press # and enter 7277 (spells Papp)
for complaints.
THEY ARE ONLY THERE TO STEAL YOUR MONEY- ANYTHING ELSE, NO ONE IS AVAILABLE!
I WISH I READ THESE COMMENTS BEFORE!
I am a customer at Extreme Fitness and regularly attend Extreme Fitness location on 267 Richmond Street West.
The store manager of this location has been stopping me at the front door every time I enter because he wants me to sign a new contract. My current contract does not end until July 1st. The manager, Greg is forcing me to sign a new contract with him. He is very mean and impolite. I'd like to continue making business with Extreme Fitness, however, he doesn't provide me with good service and doesn't show respect.
Please realise that Extreme Fitness just wants to make money off you.
The experience started from us filling out some crazy amount of paperwork. After around 10 min a nice guy ( he was actually nice) said that he will show us the gym. He asked us both another 20 or 30 questions about our fitness goals etc… I tried to tell him that we are pretty experiences people and just want to see the gym, get the costs and the schedule for classes. It didn’t matter as he continued the same line of questioning, later I understood that was in order to sell their private lessons. I asked couple of times how much MMA classes costs and he said he doesn’t know “they need to asses my fitness level.” I asked a pretty reasonable question how is the price related to my fitness level? He said don’t worry lets just talk to one of our 2 MMA trainers they both fought in Pride.
So we went to check out the gym which was not bad at all in itself. Then we finally reached George K (couldn’t find his last name anywhere) who is supposed to be the ex Pride fighter. He was leaning back on his chair when he saw us, didn’t even stand-up to shake our hand. On me explaining that I take Muya Thai and Aikido and was just wondering how much MMA would cost here he said “We did you ever see free MMA in this city?.” I said no and I don’t expect it to be free, but I want to know how much does it cost – he still didn’t respond and just wanted to sign us up for a free demo. I can’t explain his attitude in writting, but he acted like he is some undefeated champion of the world and I am kid who wants to get an interview. If I might say quite an asshole attitude.
I finally asked the guy about the prices for the gym itself they are : $66 if you want to use one gym and $74 if you want to use multiple gyms. This price is valid only with long term contract, go figure after all their flyers saying that their is no contract. He still didn’t tell me the price for MMA. Once we were about to leave the manager came and tried to push their sale on us again. He even tried to close the doors till we buy the membership. After we finally left the plae I decided to never go back to Extreme Fitness again! Last thing I need in my life are pushy sales and crappy attitude.
When I went home I checked out a bio of the second MMA trainer George Kiriakou their had over there and turns out he is not that nice of a guy either. Check out the video and comments bellow. BTW I didn’t find any single mention of him or his buddy being in Pride. Also as somewhat experience martial artist I can tell you that there is no way two teachers can give you an adequate training in Muya Thai, BJJ, Wrestling, Boxing and Conditioning.
So overall I figured out that Extreme Fitness spends a lot of money on marketing to you, pushing their sales onto to you and then sign you in a long contract. I really that after that they have a good customer service. This is a no for me.
Robert In replying to a comment from jl / April 8, 2010 at 2:35 AM
The man who roped me in to this scam has a wife and a little girl.. how can he feel good about going home to them at the end of the day? These people are pricks..
I've been reading your comments on extreme fitness and it sucks that you feel you have been scammed. (my experiences have been pretty good there)I always make sure I ask a ton of questions before signing anything just to make sure I know exactly what I'm getting into. My advice don't sign anything until your 100% ready, anything you sign is basically a legal document and any money you've lost is very hard to recoup.
they charged my card after I canceled when my free trial was done bc I hated it there and Mike was so rude to me when I called to let them know he even made me cry and had no understanding and basically made it sound like it was my problem.
For anyone who lives in Ontario you should take a look at this. The part about the "10 day cooling period" is probably good to know.
It's really sad because they do have a fairly good gym, but the scam approach make it really sleazy.
I thought I was a fairly intelligent person, but I was totally suckered. You will be signing a year contract it does not matter what they tell you. the personal training is 75 per session not for 8 sessions.
Run, Run, far from Extreme fitness
I do agree that we shouldn't sign anything unless where 100% sure. The goal for Extreme Fitness (or any gym) is SALES whether you'll use the gym or not during your contract. Please do some research and think before you join Extreme Fitness. The reason why I say that is because I had an issue with them recently. As a result, I was spoken to condescendingly and rudely, was screamed at (by staff!) and hung up on (twice!). The customer service is horrible. There’s no use of calling head office because they have no authority over their gyms. I felt humiliated and hurt when I simply wanted some questions answered. It’s extremely frustrating to know that the staff have no one to answer to and are able to speak to customers the way they did. I would not recommend Extreme Fitness because of my personal experience with them.
STAY AWAY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After 5 minutes of checking, i couldn't find this claim in the contract, AND i discovered that there is actually a regulation making this illegal.
For anyone ending up with the same problem, send a letter with reference to http://www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/en/Pages/Fitness_Clubs_Rights.aspx (where it says literally # All contracts must end after one year. Contracts may be renewed only if the supplier complies with certain rules, including:
* Providing you with a notice at least 30 days, but not more than 90 days before the contract expires, that advises that the contract will be renewed.
* Provides you with a copy of the agreement that clearly notes any and all changes.
* States that the contract will not be renewed if you notify the club not to renew the contract.)
That should land you a refund. If not they need to be reported for illegal activity.
DO NOT JOIN!!! Gave them a second chance to prove me wrong, and they still screw me up!! Dundas location- snobby, and unfriendly staff!!
Gyms do not have to be run like this...they only care about your money and will bankrupt you to get it, the staff are horrid and I feel bad for the trainers who have no idea what kind of shat the gym is pulling on their clients.
This place and the managment who work there are ballz....the nasty sweaty saggy kind.
I would suggest purchasing a discounted one year membership paying in full in cash. Yes, there's a chance they could close up and leave you high and dry, but I think it's better than being held hostage.
In addition I recently put on some weight and thought of joining a gym. My good friend's boyfriend works at Extreme and asked if he would help me train outside of the gym. He offered me 50 a session and tried to pressure me in more saying it was a deal. Plus being a breastfeeding mom I asked if he had experience with a new mom and he hadnt. He was recently 20 working out only 4 a year, no formal training, or any knowledge of muscles or the female body. His plan was the same for me and my husband who is 60 pounds heavier than me?????
And your telling me theses are the trainers who are worth 9000??????
I was a former employee (trainer) and manager for almost six months with this farce of a company. Every claim made here is true, right down to the avoidance of any manager and the disgusting business practices. After six months I had seen enough and had to get out. Their managers tend to turn over very often just for this reason. Once you see the way things are actually done, you feel like a crook every day you go into work.
Never, ever hire a trainer here, unless you know for sure they are experienced and qualified. Most of them have zero experience and very little knowledge about the body. And never, ever fall for the "fitness consultant" sales pitch. As a manager, our job was to take the people who had a fitness consultation, lock them in an office and attempt a "T.O." or takeover - basically a hard sales pitch into a long term contract. Their biggest PT scam is allowing you to buy 8-12 sessions, and then telling you it is only $25 a month, because you finance it over a 12 month period (which they don't tell you - read your contract). Then, when your sessions are over in a month or two, you are hard sold on a renewal which increases your payment.
I had a consultant once scam a developmentally delayed man into signing a $10,000 contract for training - he had no idea what he was signing. Then, when I brought it to the general manager and told him we needed to cancel it because it was unethical, he refused. This poor man ended up going to collections for the amount and received nothing just so the revenue could stay on Extreme's books. It was disgusting.
David Don and the other regional manager were two of the biggest money hungry salespeople I have ever met who didn't give a damn about any of their employees. And I've worked for Xerox.
As far as I know, the owners from the US were planning on building to 16 gyms, then selling and walking away (this was in 2008). I think they ran out of money and stopped at 13, but probably would shut the doors without a thought and take all their members money.
Never, ever get a membership, trainer or do anything with this company. There are far better gyms and trainers in the city.
I have no experience with the personal training, but if you've ever been to a gym, you know that the "fitness assessment" is another way for them to sell you training sessions. Again, they tried to push them on me (politely and with only the slightest pressure - when you offer a service and your job is to sell, then it's hardly surprising that they will make a sales pitch - show me a gym that doesn't) but again, I just said no and they left it at that. I had to repeat it a few times during the hour, but so what?
So if your aim is to workout regularly, go in, do your workout and leave, then I don't see any problem with Extreme thus far. If you expect something for nothing, or don't read your contract and don't ask questions, then you only have yourself to blame.
If you have a problem with their fees, try your local Y. They likely have all the equipment and facilities you need less some of the perks of a private gym which although nice, are probably not necessary.
They advertise a 7 day free trial on their website. You print it out, it even has a barcode on it. Yet when you go in, they won't scan it or do anything for you. Instead, they pass you along to an employee who tries to get you to sign up for a year membership.
There is absolutely no mention of this on the print out. Is this not bait and switch, which is illegal?
I'd like to know how they can legally get away with this sort of thing.
During my "mandatory" orientation/consultation, the consultant had me doing a circuit training routine until I had almost passed out.
Upon blackout, I crawled into the office to finish the forms, and he suggested I get a personal trainer. As a graduate student paying over 25k per year, I was insistent in not paying for a trainer, even exclaiming that I couldnt afford to pay $100 dollars per session.
They brought in some other schmuck who essentially broke down the different packages, and gave the illusion that for four sessions, it was roughly $60 which seemed pretty reasonable. Regrettably, I accepted.
As I just finished the last of my sessions today, I went to renew and said I was willing to subscribe to another four lessons for the same amount, when the manager laughed at me and notified me that it wasnt $60 for the four sessions, but rather, $60 per month for six months to pay for the four sessions, costing me nearly $400 dollars after tax. Prior to my getting upset at this, he offered to comp me for two of the lessons I had, because the trainer I was working with quit (no wonder why). He immediately retracted his offer of compensation when I said I was not going to pursue personal training any further.
I want nothing more than to stick it to these guys, BAD.
Where do I sign?
Better to stay away.
I ALMOST became like one of you guys here, LUCKILY I read the FINE PRINT at the back of the contract where you as A CONSUMER does have 10 trial days, AND luckily, I did fall within that category and I went back to the ORIGINAL sales mgr, that I had signed up w/ and made him write that the contract is NO LONGER valid along w/ his signature and complete name. That IS just my 2 cents! READ the BACK of your contracts and KNOW THY RIGHTS!
one thing i leanrt from extreme is tht they kiss your ass until u signed their xontract and get PT sessins and then after thatu are a worthless number
overall its not teh follow exployees tht rr assholes its the head management whom show and display this attitude of money first to their folow employees which sets teh rep of teh whole gym..my story is to long n mesed up to post here but if ther is soem1 out there who is tryin to help us ppl who hav been not only scammed but been fuked over by unethical practises msg me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p0uerkQtFo&feature=related
http://newsdurhamregion.com/articlePrint/20575
I'm planning to join the young&sheppard location (North York)
I DON'T want a personal trainer OR a nutritionist, I just want to go there to workout 3-4 times a week. How much per month should I expect?
Also, if I give them 12 post-dated cheques and don't give them my credit card number, will I still be scammed?
I also see here that there's a "mandatory" orientation where they make you work out? Is this true?
I went in to the youge and dundas location today because they had called me up saying i won 3 months free. I knew I hadnt been placed in a draw and didnt win anything but i went in anyway since i work close by to see if i can get these free months. Sure enough some woman there wasted 2 hours of my time asking me questions about my fitness and showing me around as if ive never been in a gym before. she was really nice until I told her to give me the 3 months without taking my credit card number because i know how gyms are and they would charge me without option to cancel for many years. When she realized she wasnt going to sucker me, she started acting rude and arrogant. I confronted her about the marketing techniques in a calm and polite manner and she told me i wasnt being polite or respectful to her. At that point I was getting alittle frustrated and was ready to leave before she told me she doesnt need me as a customer anyways and she is too busy to be dealing with this. im sorry but thats no way to speak to a potential client, i think they all need to go take professional selling classes. Everyone be careful stay away from extreme.. I have my college gym anyways but if you want a good gym i was with LA Fitness for a year and it was pretty good. they didnt charge me after i cancelled.
That wouldn't surprise me at all. Alex was one of the shadiest salespeople I've ever met, and his brother was no better. Rumour has it Alex managed to marry a sugar momma and moved to another city where her father bought him a gym to run himself. I have no idea what happened to Adam other than none of his employees ever trusted him and I'm quite sure he's still ripping people off somewhere, probably with his brother.
SCAM ARTISTS.. I did not take any of their EXTRA training sessions, go on line there are hundreds of programs. I froze my membership for 2 months due to forced residence relocation, my apartment was destroyed due to fire. I requested this in person and received printed documentation of this freeze. They still charged my account, contrary to the signed document. They said they couldn't reimburse me so they gave me 2 extra months. As soon as the first free bonus month was complete (they still charged my account) I gave them a written cancellation of my membership, and had them give me a printed termination contract, to stop the automatic payments from my account. I did n't want any more free bonus months when they're not free. They tried to explain again it was an accounting error and apologized that I shouldn't have been charged. Sure Enough they still withdrew money from my account after I terminated the account..They received three unauthorized payments.
HINDSIGHT it's NOT an error but unethical business practices. Had to close the bank account for the bank will not pursue this matter once you have given them initial access for monthly withdrawals.. So that's how they operate, evan if you stick to the monthly rate they still will overcharge you and rip you off as much as they can get away with...
All in all, Extreme (Danforth and Dundas) are fairly good locations to choose. Although in my opinion, Danforth has a friendlier staff than Dundas does (since Dundas is at the heart of downtown, they have tried numerous times to lure vulnerable university students as well as seniors to buy into their one-year contract.
Every week they were at me to sell my clients on more sessions, 1000.00 packages or above. I said when my clients sessions are over it will be up to them to decide if they want to continue training and to continue with me, i'm not pushing anyone to buy when they have 20 sessions that are not even paid for but financed. I could go on and on all day but the information above my post is all true so i'd be repeating what everyone else has said. There are lots of gyms around and you don't have to go to extreme to get a workout or a trainer. Yonge Street Fitness in Toronto is a great location and perfect gym, I spent 5 years there before moving out of Toronto and at 40.00 a month it was perfect. Anytime Fitness locations are popping up in every town and are privately owned and are great, Goodlife gym are good but the trainers are young and inexperianced, usually right out of Can-fit pro courses and they have to nutrition counseling. So do your research and ask friends where they workout, ask them for pros and cons before you loose your hard earned money and respect.
Good luck all
I had the same experience as many others. I personally delivered a cancellation letter to the Extreme Fitness in Ajax (when my contract ran out).
After several months of trying to get them to stop billing my credit card, I filed a formal complaint with the Ministry of Consumer Relations.
Apparently, Extreme Fitness is well known as a scammer.
I suggest not wasting too much time and effort arguing with them. File a complaint with the ministry.
Not surprised
People on this blog should contact Market Place
http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2011/biggymripoff/gyms.html
Extreme was 3rd in Canada for complaints, but 1st in complaints per location.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwuhz8iDVZE&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwuhz8iDVZE&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwuhz8iDVZE&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2011/biggymripoff/
I think lot's depend on us on what information we seek and ask the right questions. I don't think any one can push me to buy a product that I an not sure of buying.
Overall, I am happy with Extreme Fitness.
Cons: When it comes to administration and cancelling your contracts they are very unprofessional with poor ethics. I have paid for a year in full and I didn't want to renew my contract but they keept charging me and won't cancel my contract until I pay for 4 months worth of membership fees. I have never enrolled in a month to month basis contract. And I want this to stop but they told me they won't until I have paid for those months. I haven't been once since the end of my contract and am very upset that I should have to dishout money for something I didn't agree on.
What are my options?
Cons: When it comes to administration and cancelling your contracts they are very unprofessional with poor ethics. I have paid for a year in full and I didn't want to renew my contract but they keept charging me and won't cancel my contract until I pay for 4 months worth of membership fees. I have never enrolled in a month to month basis contract. And I want this to stop but they told me they won't until I have paid for those months. I haven't been once since the end of my contract and am very upset that I should have to dishout money for something I didn't agree on.
What are my options?
SINCE NOV 2010 I WAS COMPLAINING, ITS NOW MARCH, I SENT TO COMPLAINT TO BBB,IN FRB AND THEY STILL DIDN'T RESPONSE SO I CALLED MR. TASO PAPPAS 905-709-9498 ASK TO LEAVE A MSG ON HIS VOICE MAIL, I DID THAT AND YOU SHOULD SEE HOW FAST SOMEONE RETURNED MY CALL, IT WASN'T HIM THOUGH, NOT SURPRISING. OR TRY 905-709-1248 TYPE AN EXT YOUR MOST LIKELY WILL BE TRANSFER TO SOMEONE IS H.Q IF NOT YOU'LL GET PUSHED TO THE FRONT DECK, WHERE THOSE CHICKENS DON'T KNOW NOTHING. CAUSE THEY DO NOT GIVE OUT THIS NUMBER.. AND WHEN YOU CALL IT SAYS THANK YOU FOR CALLING EXTREME FITNESS H.Q....
THORNHILL LOCATION IS THEIR H.Q BUT THE FRONT DECK "ARN'T ALLOWED TO TRANSFER ANY CALLS TO H.Q" THEY CAN ONLY TAKE MSGS.. SO THAT'S WHY I HAD TO LEAVE THE MSG ON HIS VOICE MAIL..
I LOST $500.00 FROM THESE B.SH*TERS AND I'M PISSED..SO PEOPLE AVOID THESE LOOSE BALLS AND GO TO THE CITY OF TORONTO COMMUNITY CENTRES AND PAY $30-50 FOR 3 MONTHS FOR GYM USAGE AND ITS PAY AS YOU GO..NO CONTRACTS AND NO B.S
I GUESS IN A WAY I LUCKED OUT WITH A CONTRACT OF OVER $2000.00. STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS AND DON'T LET THESE FOULS STEAL YOUR MONEY..I RATE THIS PLACE A -100
ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE
RUDE, RECEPTION/ CUSTOMER SERVICE.
NO HEADS UP OF CHANGES
IT STINKS LIKE MOLD ALL TIME
WASTE OF MONEY
POOOOOORRRRRR SERVICE ALL IN ALL.
SAVE YOURSELVES THE HEAD ACHE.. PLEASE, THIS GYM NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS FOR THEIR TATICS..OR PUT ON THAT SHOW MARKET PLACE, VERY SOON, IF THEY KEEP THIS B.S UP
I stumbled upon this because I am looking for a way to complain about their excessive mail. A big glossy ad comes here pretty much every week and I think it is so incredibly wasteful. I've never seen a worse offender.
I know I can sign up to not receive junk mail with Canada Post but I think they should not be able to distribute this much mail in the first place. If anyone has any ideas please respond to this thread and let me know!
I have tried e-mailing Extreme Fitness with no response. I didn't expect them to after reading about their 'scams'. I thought about collecting all of them from the recycling bin and then sending them back but that wouldn't really do anything because they'd just toss it out themselves.
It's ridiculous though b/c
1. it's wasteful
2. it costs taxpayers or condo fee payers more money to have the waste disposed of
3. many more reasons but the key one is that it makes me so angry!
Since they play dirty, you should get smart and play dirty too.
1) Cancel your Visa and debit card..Yes SHUT IT DOWN. Go extreme or dont bother. If you gave them your Visa , cancel it and get a new one. Tell your bank you would like to stop transactions from them - they can do it, dont tell them why just do it.
2) Change your phone number - sounds like a lot but they will harass you (for money) and if you are comfortable with them calling you every second by all means enjoy, but you should get a diff number.
3) Call the VP of Operations , Number is listed above. Tell him your case (be brief dont say alot, dont threaten and simply end it by saying you would like it solved or else you will consult a lawyer and take it to court) Bluff and say you would take legal action and you have consulted your lawyer and know YOUR RIGHTS. End with a thank you and tell him you are looking forward to hearing from him about your case.
4) If this does not work AND you really want to get your moeny, email them and call them everyday. If they see you are a pain they will shut you up because you are not worth having their phone lines busy (that is how they think).
The only complaint i do have is the parking lot which needs to be bigger, but other than that I LOVE THIS GYM. I cant leave it, even when I tried----all the other gyms do NOT compare, sorry!
Some of the classes are crowed, I admit, but not the ones I go to. And some of the trainers are exceptionally good and interested in the clients.
The swimming pool is well maintained as are the premises and unless one goes at peak hours there is no waiting time for a machine.
I would go so far as to say that it is the staff's interest in my progress that has kept me going to the gym. I would be lost without it.
If you go to your bank within 5 business days, they can reverse the payment the gym took out, as long as you have proof that it was unauthorized. At times this document will not be necessary as we are aware how bad all fitness gyms can be regarding this. This is not a way to avoid the $12.50 stop payment fee.
Placing a stop payment on your account is pretty much useless. The gym will see the rejected payment and send another for a different amount, or under one of there umbrella companies.
Should you not have enough funds in your account to cover any gym withdrawals after you "cancelled" your membership and be charged an unreasonably high NSF fee of approx. $42.50 the bank will rarely refund this to you, and you can forget about getting the gym to reimburse you for that.
IF YOU ARE SIGNING UP FOR PRE-AUTHORIZED PAYMENTS TO A GYM, OPEN A SEPARATE ACCOUNT DEDICATED TO THAT GYM. An account with no fee ie. savings account will do the trick. They usually offer one or two withdrawals a month and charge between $1.50-5.00 for every additional withdrawal after that. Get a pre-authorized payment form from your bank for this account and provide that to your gym. Because it is a savings account does not mean that you cannot get cheques for this account, but believe me, regardless of what you might be told by the gym, the form is all you need. WHEN YOU CANCEL THE GYM MEMBERSHIP CLOSE THE ACCOUNT. There is no fee to close the account so long as it had been opened for longer than 30 days. Once you cancel the membership and close the account there will be no more headaches of unauthorized payments.
Do not close your account without canceling your membership, as the gym WILL send a claim to collections, which will do much more harm than some additional charges.
I went out and told the man behind the counter but he just shrugged. LOL... I stopped using the locker area. The other problem with this gym is that the weights are never put back and you can spend up to 15 mins of your work out just trying to find matching free weights. I don't understand how these gyms have such terrible customer service. The management doesn't care. The feeling I get from Extreme is that they just want your money.
Apart from the two guys who were having sex in the shower stall next to me last week...( gross ) One other complaint is they never clean the weights or machines. I mentioned that to the manager and he asked me why should they? LOL... oh I don't know.. flu viruses.. cold viruses... staph infections. A good gym will clean their weights and machines once a week.
The only gym I have ever been to where complaints are actually dealt with is the YMCA.
As far as my problem concerned, I am filing a law suit against them this Monday.
What location did you currently train at? I'm having the same issue and want to see if it's the same manager?
The Extreme Club that I attend regularly is Bloor and Bay. There are 3 computers that seem to be always occupied by the trainers (between clients) or the receptionist (on break). Even when I stand behind them, they look at me then continue with their web work. I was wondering if the computers are for clients or trainers?
Thank you,
Raymond Hallett
Also, my monthly fee was about $75 a month. Several months later, a large group of people began joining. I found out that they were paying roughly $40/month via a new promotion... a deal I was not eligible to get. They weren't able to offer me a lower fee until I canceled my membership. I never signed up with them again.
Extreme Fitness Inc,
80, Bloor Street West.
CC: James Solomon,
CEO, Extreme Fitness, Inc
8281, Yonge Street,
Thornhill, Ontario L3T 2C7
13th May 2011.
Dear Sir/Madam,
LETTER OF COMPLAINT/INTENTION TO BRING LEGAL ACTION
First, I would like to bring to your notice the unwarranted, rude and absolutely appalling treatment I received from a member of staff of your organization today.
I approached the reception of your organization situated at 80 Bloor street and mentioned that I would like to speak with Mr. Elliot. I was subsequently referred to another gentleman who became hostile immediately he discovered the reason why I had come. He called me names, raised his voice rudely at me, despite the fact that I approached him and the subject in question with absolute regard. Even when I politely asked for further clarification, he yelled at me, saying, “Do you understand English at all?” an obvious reference to my ethnic origin and accent. He continued to rain insults on my person by disparaging my intellectual capacity, he said, if I had “read the terms of the contract I wouldn’t be here in the first place”. In all sincerity this “gentleman” was uncivil, impolite and absolutely ill-mannered. Professional courtesy is a must in every service run organization and as your client; I am immensely shocked that this disreputable behavior is permitted in your organization. Furthermore, this member of staff incessantly tried to deceive me by saying there were no grounds for terminating or suspending my contract. This is unacceptable.
Secondly, I hereby notify you of my intention to bring legal action against your organization and member of staff under the Ontario Consumer Protection Act of 2010 and Ontario Human Rights Code. Including and not limited to the under listed grounds:
A: Your member of staff intentionally tried to mislead me by misrepresenting the terms of the contract to me.
B: The credit terms under which I entered into the contract were vague and not fully disclosed.
C: My right to cancel the contract subject to certain grounds was not fully provided in the agreement.
D: Unfair business practice
E: Providing misleading advertisement
F: Discrimination on the grounds of race, place of origin, ethnic origin and ancestry.
For the avoidance of doubt the name of the member of staff referred to is Tristan Richardson.
If I do not receive an apology from both your organization and this member of staff in 7 business day from the date of this letter, I shall proceed with legal action and make this a public issue.
Signed,
Kenny Ajetunmobi
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When they enter the request into the system, does it mean that it has been processed? Or is it possible that they still bill you as it is "processing"? What are the counter measures that one can take if they do get charged when the account's cancelled? Cancelling bank / credit card accounts appear to cure only the surface of the problem but can lead to even bigger problems in the future... Is the change request receipt sufficient as proof?
In general I wouldn't make a longterm commitment to Extreme, at least not one that involves paying for anything upfront. the club I go to is going downhill fast. It has an unpleasant fecal odor, there is an elliptical machine that makes a horrific banging noise that they haven't fixed in month, and if you go to the upstairs about 1 in 3 of tvs on the bikes, ellipticals, and stairmasters. Sure signs of a company that is trying not to spend money because they are running out.
The only kind words I have are for the receptionists where I go...they are nice and very cute!
I have had my share of unpleasant experiences; however, my tolerance barometer had never been successfully pushed into the red zone. The staff at ExtremeFitness at Bloor and Bay, though, managed this without a single drop of sweat.
As I was signing my contract, several months ago, it was explained to me that in the case that I move and all ExtremeFitness gyms happen to no longer offer the convenience of their location to me, I would have the option of canceling my contract. After spending five minutes reading the terms and conditions and being unable to locate the provision referred to by the salesperson, I asked if it was acceptable to add such a provision for full clarity, which I did and which the salesperson initialed. Several minutes later, as I was waiting in a neighboring office, to schedule a health check-up (another waste of time and chance for them to cross-sell their “phenomenal personal trainers’ expertise”) I saw the salesrep strolling along and I vividly heard him conveying to his manager by telephone in the most profane and disrespectful way achievable that the villain that I had been for adding a provision into the contract that I had been advised, in the first place, belonged there but mysteriously, upon closer examination, could not be found. To me, this is more than simply unprofessional. It’s unacceptable.
My subsequent interactions with the staff at ExtremeFitness convinced me that my initial experience was by far not an isolated incident. I have not quite figured out where the root of my dissatisfaction lies. Perhaps it is the fact that in spite of paying nearly $65/month, the level of service offered is lower than that offered to me at McDonald’s on my way to the office every morning. Perhaps it is the fact that every time I have interaction with customer service/sales people at ExtremeFitness, I leave their premises asking myself if I am a 7-year child with a mental impairment because that is exactly the depth of customer service that is offered to me.
If ExtremeFitness was a publicly traded company , I would recommend shorting the stock. All I can say, I’m glad my contract is almost over and that if you have someone that you really don’t like, recommend ExtremeFitness to them.
Sincerely,
I can't believe they haven't been shut down and that consumer protection is failing to this degree. I think it is unethical to support this organization, because even if you or I know what they are about, there are many people who are regularly taken advantage of, stolen from, or who mean to sign up for 10 free days or 2 free months and end up paying 1200 dollars plus that they don't have.
They have 8 complaints this last year with the Better business bureau (check with BBB canadian branch itself) that head office has *refused* to even respond to. They have an F rating for BBB.
You may think, who cares, I'll work out and ignore that problems, but they overcrowd their gyms, don't fix broken equipment, and steal every penny they can from people, because many people have the time, energy, knowledge, or inclination to fight back. That is how they make a good portion of their dough (illegally). It doesn't create a motivating and positive atmosphere for working out at all.
I went in for their manipulative sales pitch, was completely turned off, and talked to friends word of mouth about gyms, some of whom had horror stories to tell about Extreme Fitness, especially around lies and billing.
WHEN (not if) they steal your money, talk to your credit card company, the Better Business Bureau, and threaten them - apparently that can get them to finally cancel your contract. Don't give them 80 dollars for an extra month, while they pretend to sort things out.
I had to close my bank account in order to stop payments.
So, the Attorney General (attorneygeneral@ontario.ca), Chris Bentley, is the only recourse left.
So, the Attorney General (attorneygeneral@ontario.ca), Chris Bentley, is the only recourse left.
So, the Attorney General (attorneygeneral@ontario.ca), Chris Bentley, is the only recourse left.
So, the Attorney General (attorneygeneral@ontario.ca), Chris Bentley, is the only recourse left.
I have been charge over $500 in trainer fees without ever meeting a trainer. They have double charged in 2 months and since my call at the start of June to stop this and get my money back, I have been charged again. When I called Alex to cancel it he immediatley tried to sell me on the fact that I had already paid, so why not use those hours with a trainer. No hesitation to this sales tactice, like it is a situation he is use to. There are scams out there like this, once they get your credit card/bank account #, they will charge you for nothing and hope that you don't notice and never look at your account. Bullshit!!! Stay Away.
Yeah, the attempts to get you to get personal trainers is pretty intense but you can avoid that if you don't fall into stupid traps.
Haven't had a problem yet, maybe it's just the one in Danforth, because the one in Whitby has 15+ treadmills, and lots and lots of room without any crowding ever.
I leave my locker unlocked and nothing stolen yet, but I'll be sure to be more aware of robbery from now on.
I use the Dundas Extreme Fitness location and the other morning while getting my towel out of the locker I noticed what looked like black dots on my fresh white towel. Upon closer inspection I noticed they were moving ! The only reason I knew what they were was because I had stayed in a hotel in NYC once and had them... BED BUGS. When this gym first opened it was great... there was a guy in there cleaning all the time.. the weights were put back by someone downstairs.. the equipment was all new. NOW? no guy cleaning changeroom ( not while I'm there ) the place is dirty and I heard the location also has cock roaches from the food court upstairs... or where ever. I won't use the change room in this gym anymore !
This is crazy. They said you signed--you loose.
There must be a way to cancel this.
I'd like to tell you about my experience at your gym (Yonge and Dundas).
I went as a guest with a friend last week. I was surprised. I liked it so much I even though about switching over - instructors and classes and the energy was all impressive.
I pay more than 200$+ for my current fitness routine (Dynamic Condition Center for strength training + Turning Point Fitness for Pilates - both these places are amazing and you guys can learn a thing or two from them) so the convenience and affordability of Extreme Fitness appealed for me.
Sometime during the week I was a Eaton Center and a friendly guy from Extreme Fitness was handing out 10-day trial pass, I asked him if they were any conditions attached and he said no, it was a trial memebership with no commitments and there was a month to month membership as well - I asked this because I was go away temporarily from Toronto and I didn't want to sign a long term contract. I thought this is great - before completely switching over or signing on to a monthly contract I could completely make sure that the gym is right for me.
So I checked the schedule and I saw a yoga dance class on Sunday. I walked in at 11:40 and was immediately led to some one from the membership department.
He said he'd have to keep my ID till I came back to fill out membership forms - I said I wasn't comfortanle handing off my ID and he said "We are a 'private' gym and it is the safety of our members" - I'm 5'4 120 pounds female so yea whatever. I told him I had a class in 15 minutes and asked him how long would this filling out forms take me - he says 20 minutes - not wanting to hand in my ID I say its ok OK and that I don't mind being late for the class lets get it over it.
so i want into their office space - he says almost immediately to activate this membership you need to RIGHT NOW SIGN ON TO A 12 MONTH COMMITMENT. I said the person who gave this card said I could try out the gym for ten days and decide after (I mean it is afterall called a FREE TRIAL MEMBERSHIP). He says this is our policy and then asks me why I'm hesitant to commit to 12 MONTHS OF PAYMENTS - I mean other the fact I am away for a few months ,it is after all a YEAR LONG COMMITMENT - I think I'm completely reasonable to be hesitant and not be happy to be forced into a year long commitment when I had been told this is a 10 day free trial.
He says in the MOST OBNOXIOUS TONE " Well you are not planning to switch over till later why do you want to try out our gym" - YOU KNOW WHAT IF I HAD LIKED ThE GYM I WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE THAN HAPPY TO FORK OVER 125$ for the month to month plan and switch long term when I would be back in Toronto.
I told him I got a free trial membership pass and I was excited to try it out - and he then proceed to say again in THE MOST OBNOXIOUS TONE " Well you tried it with your friend, isn't that enough for you". He then says "this is it", nods towards to the door (basically telling me to get out).
Here I am, all dressed in my yoga, I've walked a kilometer on a Sunday hot morning, to try out the gym and the class and I am treated like SHIT.
Today you've not only lost one potential customer, but many many others - I will make sure that everyone I know about my horrible experience. I will make sure I post this everywhere and anywhere so people like me are not fooled.
Zainab
I had an experience where the GM of the Yonge and Sheppard was very rude and wouldn't take no as an answer.
I had applied for a 2 month trial which I went in and cancelled on the second day after reading the bad reviews of the service and the credit scams they pull. When I went in to cancel, he would say things like "why don't you have some balls and be a man about this?", "you're a coward" and other things I'd prefer to not post on here as I want to make sure this is posted.
My reason to him for leaving was as simple as I was not interested anymore and something had come up with my family therefore I would not be able to take advantage of the membership. FYI: I was allowed to cancel within 30 days of activation.
After a 45 minute rant about how I was not a man and how cowardly I was I just stopped it and said "i just want this cancelled now please". He finally printed off a Contract of Termination, threw it at me (literally) to sign and said "you are officially not welcomed at this gym or any Extreme Fitness ever again". After I signed I had asked him to sign too as there was a spot for both of us to sign and he refused. I told him well if he doesn't then he might get into some trouble later, so he finally signed it reluctantly.
His name was AL EMADIAN.
Note to everyone: DO NOT DEAL WITH THIS GUY OR THIS GYM
WORSE GYM EVER. I've been using all the locations and they are all so terrible. As soon as my contract is up, I am giving them the boot.
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1030523--stomach-stapling-patient-wins-gym-s-weight-loss-competition?bn=1#comments
http://www.ripoffreport.com/
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/extreme-fitness.aspx
Email her all your stories, and she will get them to give you our money back real quick.
Bad press is the key
eroseman@torontostar.ca
http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2011/biggymripoff/
LEAVE CANADA AMERICANIZED COMPANIES...JUST BECAUSE YOUR COUNTRY IS SCREWED UP< DOESN"T MEAN YOU NEED TO SCREW OURS!
LEAVE CANADA AMERICANIZED COMPANIES...JUST BECAUSE YOUR COUNTRY IS SCREWED UP< DOESN"T MEAN YOU NEED TO SCREW OURS!
attorneygeneral@ontario.ca
Trainers used to get paid $30-50 per hour with a bonus. Now they get paid like 15-20 on an average. With the managers forging signatures just so they can get their bonus at the end of the year and screwing employees. The average employee will last about 6 mths. to 1 year.
EXTREME = Quantity 'NOT' Quality!
Extreme has one of the highest turnover rates in Canada.
Clients are just a number.
I ended buying a membership that was 76 dollars for the first 3 months and 76 dollars monthly thereafter. I explained to the rep that i may relocate and will not sign in to any contract. He agreed. This fella named Rob from Interchange did not remember who i was after 20 days.
I got the job, relocated, after many tries got the membership cancelled long before 3 months were up. I was shocked when they kept charging my credit card. I contacted them again and the rep promised that the money will be refunded. Man i have been on their case for 6 months now. No effect...and talk about EXTREME busy!!!! what ever you do....stay far from this gym. Facilities are not bad. Equipment good too...but do not get sucked in by that!!! hope you read this before you joined them and is not now reading this as another victim!!!!
There was one big pro. Except during peak hours (just before and after normal work hours), the place was always empty, which made it easy for some one like me, with an unusual schedule to get a work out in.
The place can be worse than a night club on a fridays night. Full of young kids swearing, spitting on the floor and farting out loud. Just a horrible gym.
At first, I loved the gym. I had a trainer and joined one of the best kickboxing classes ever - taught by a genuine marital artist and fighter. I swung elbows, threw punches and knees. I also began to lose weight.
From Oct '06 to Feb '07, I was loving the gym. Then the kickboxing instructor was laid off and a different gang of managers took over the place (mafia like). That's when things turned sour. (How's that for foreshadowing?) Seems as though ALL THE UPPER MANAGEMENT treats all the employees/trainers like crap. Huge turn over rate.
things not only got horrible and out of hand. But there was nothing appealing about the gym anymore, it was as lame as the SO CALLED RENOVATIONS THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO DO!!! Same cardio machines; same weights. No challenging classes and management that didn't care about their employees (their trainers). I saw trainers come and go by the dozen. Most of the trainers had families or University students and were great people. The managers would forge signatures and credit cards all the times...blaming the trainers.
Around March I met another trainer and began to work out with him, because mine got PUSHED OUT. I instantly loved him and his style. As luck would have it, he left the gym shortly thereafter... and once more I was without a trainer, even though I had paid for several sessions upfront. Seems as though the average trainer last 6 months. How does a gym get away with this stuff??? Doesn't the government see the business ethics here?
That's when I decided I didn't like my gym, for they weren't only treating their trainers bad enough (several had quit over and over) but now they weren't really concerned with the satisfaction of their members. But the managers getting their cut of profits from pushing trainers to sell.
I kept going, though, for my fitness was now a huge priority of mine.
Yes, I did end up with another trainer, who I (as luck would have it) like very much.
There aren't any fun classes, unfortunately. And working out on the same machines gets dreadfully dull. But lifting weights and learning new techniques is what makes the gym fun. But having a new trainer every week seems very sketchy.
Also, the management has changed again, 5 times since i was there - back to the originial crew of last fall. When I come in, people dont say hi. They dont even stop to check on my progress and see how I'm doing, they walk past me like a ghost, unless I am going to purchase training sessions that month. The manager doesn't even know my name and calls me lady, uneducated much? hahaha. I dont feel welcome there, and that bothers me.
On top of that, I always felt like I was in a meat market. All these persian pigs hitting me, like they never saw a woman before. Everyone who is there is concerned with getting laid and stealing your money, and that's not fantastic. I don't need to be hit on at the gym. I'm there to do my thing and leave. You know? very human like!
So, would I recommend this gym to you? A BIG HELL NO!!! If you live nearby the location, run as fast as you can, you'll get 1000 flyers a month in your mail box. For $75 a month, you'll get a heart attack and a ripp-off. In fact, I'd say, they should change their name to EXTREME RIPP-OFF!!!
Word to the wise: If you plan on hitting the treadmill after class or work, don't bother, the parking lot is like bumper cars at Canada's wonderland!, you'll get a couple dents a week in your car, so buy life insurance. Why? Because there's always the evening swarm and you won't find one parking spot open. You'll get in a fight with some over steroid punk who talks like ROCKY. Plus, you'll always wait in line to get Anything in the gym, like a line-up for the rides at Canada;s Wonderland. Stay away from this place. Its been the worse nightmare I've had.
At first, I loved the gym. I had a trainer and joined one of the best kickboxing classes ever - taught by a genuine marital artist and fighter. I swung elbows, threw punches and knees. I also began to lose weight.
From Oct '06 to Feb '07, I was loving the gym. Then the kickboxing instructor was laid off and a different gang of managers took over the place (mafia like). That's when things turned sour. (How's that for foreshadowing?) Seems as though ALL THE UPPER MANAGEMENT treats all the employees/trainers like crap. Huge turn over rate.
things not only got horrible and out of hand. But there was nothing appealing about the gym anymore, it was as lame as the SO CALLED RENOVATIONS THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO DO!!! Same cardio machines; same weights. No challenging classes and management that didn't care about their employees (their trainers). I saw trainers come and go by the dozen. Most of the trainers had families or University students and were great people. The managers would forge signatures and credit cards all the times...blaming the trainers.
Around March I met another trainer and began to work out with him, because mine got PUSHED OUT. I instantly loved him and his style. As luck would have it, he left the gym shortly thereafter... and once more I was without a trainer, even though I had paid for several sessions upfront. Seems as though the average trainer last 6 months. How does a gym get away with this stuff??? Doesn't the government see the business ethics here?
That's when I decided I didn't like my gym, for they weren't only treating their trainers bad enough (several had quit over and over) but now they weren't really concerned with the satisfaction of their members. But the managers getting their cut of profits from pushing trainers to sell.
I kept going, though, for my fitness was now a huge priority of mine.
Yes, I did end up with another trainer, who I (as luck would have it) like very much.
There aren't any fun classes, unfortunately. And working out on the same machines gets dreadfully dull. But lifting weights and learning new techniques is what makes the gym fun. But having a new trainer every week seems very sketchy.
Also, the management has changed again, 5 times since i was there - back to the originial crew of last fall. When I come in, people dont say hi. They dont even stop to check on my progress and see how I'm doing, they walk past me like a ghost, unless I am going to purchase training sessions that month. The manager doesn't even know my name and calls me lady, uneducated much? hahaha. I dont feel welcome there, and that bothers me.
On top of that, I always felt like I was in a meat market. All these persian pigs hitting me, like they never saw a woman before. Everyone who is there is concerned with getting laid and stealing your money, and that's not fantastic. I don't need to be hit on at the gym. I'm there to do my thing and leave. You know? very human like!
So, would I recommend this gym to you? A BIG HELL NO!!! If you live nearby the location, run as fast as you can, you'll get 1000 flyers a month in your mail box. For $75 a month, you'll get a heart attack and a ripp-off. In fact, I'd say, they should change their name to EXTREME RIPP-OFF!!!
Word to the wise: If you plan on hitting the treadmill after class or work, don't bother, the parking lot is like bumper cars at Canada's wonderland!, you'll get a couple dents a week in your car, so buy life insurance. Why? Because there's always the evening swarm and you won't find one parking spot open. You'll get in a fight with some over steroid punk who talks like ROCKY. Plus, you'll always wait in line to get Anything in the gym, like a line-up for the rides at Canada;s Wonderland. Stay away from this place. Its been the worse nightmare I've had.
This company should be exposed, and put out of business.
Alison Stephens
Public Relations Manager
416-303-0947
alisons@extremefitness.ca
General Marketing Inquiries
marketing@extremefitness.ca
I would never ever ever recommend them to anyone. BUYERS BEWARE!!!
First, please provide me with a detailed account of your experience with Extreme (when and how much they took, the efforts you made to recover your money, whether you were successful or not in recovering your money, and what harassment Extreme subjected you to). I am currently gathering documentation from as many victims as possible in an effort to pursue this matter. I don't know if I will be successful or not, however, the more substantiation I have the better.
Second, I suggest that everyone and everyone contact the Ministry of Consumer Services, preferably the Minister or Deputy Minister (contacting the Ministry of the Attorney General is largely futile). If you do not get a response from the MCS, then contact the provincial ombudsman's office. http://www.ombudsman.on.ca/Home.aspx
My email is extremescamNOSPAM@live.ca. (Remove the NOSPAM)
First, please provide me with a detailed account of your experience with Extreme (when and how much they took, the efforts you made to recover your money, whether you were successful or not in recovering your money, and what harassment Extreme subjected you to). I am currently gathering documentation from as many victims as possible in an effort to pursue this matter. I don't know if I will be successful or not, however, the more substantiation I have the better.
Second, I suggest that everyone and everyone contact the Ministry of Consumer Services, preferably the Minister or Deputy Minister (contacting the Ministry of the Attorney General is largely futile). If you do not get a response from the MCS, then contact the provincial ombudsman's office. http://www.ombudsman.on.ca/Home.aspx
My email is extremescamNOSPAM@live.ca. (Remove the NOSPAM)
WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A STAND NOW!!!
Email me at:
extremescamNOSPAM@hotmail.ca (Remove the NOSPAM)
In addition, contact the police in your area and file a report with their fraud squad AND contact the Ministry of Consumer Services.
extremescam@hotmail.ca
and tell me your story. The more information I can get from people firsthand, the better off we will all be.
Thanks
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Well, I think it's about time I wrote a review about extreme Fitness. After all, I've been a member there for nearly 6 years. I signed up because I was tired of my own excuses... and because I got a corporate rate thru my work. I went with it.
At first, I loved the gym. I had a trainer and joined one of the best kickboxing classes ever - taught by a genuine marital artist and fighter. I swung elbows, threw punches and knees. I also began to lose weight.
From Oct '06 to Feb '07, I was loving the gym. Then the kickboxing instructor was laid off and a different gang of managers took over the place (mafia like). That's when things turned sour. (How's that for foreshadowing?) Seems as though ALL THE UPPER MANAGEMENT treats all the employees/trainers like crap. Huge turn over rate.
things not only got horrible and out of hand. But there was nothing appealing about the gym anymore, it was as lame as the SO CALLED RENOVATIONS THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO DO!!! Same cardio machines; same weights. No challenging classes and management that didn't care about their employees (their trainers). I saw trainers come and go by the dozen. Most of the trainers had families or University students and were great people. The managers would forge signatures and credit cards all the times...blaming the trainers.
Around March I met another trainer and began to work out with him, because mine got PUSHED OUT. I instantly loved him and his style. As luck would have it, he left the gym shortly thereafter... and once more I was without a trainer, even though I had paid for several sessions upfront. Seems as though the average trainer last 6 months. How does a gym get away with this stuff??? Doesn't the government see the business ethics here?
That's when I decided I didn't like my gym, for they weren't only treating their trainers bad enough (several had quit over and over) but now they weren't really concerned with the satisfaction of their members. But the managers getting their cut of profits from pushing trainers to sell.
I kept going, though, for my fitness was now a huge priority of mine.
Yes, I did end up with another trainer, who I (as luck would have it) like very much.
There aren't any fun classes, unfortunately. And working out on the same machines gets dreadfully dull. But lifting weights and learning new techniques is what makes the gym fun. But having a new trainer every week seems very sketchy.
Also, the management has changed again, 5 times since i was there - back to the originial crew of last fall. When I come in, people dont say hi. They dont even stop to check on my progress and see how I'm doing, they walk past me like a ghost, unless I am going to purchase training sessions that month. The manager doesn't even know my name and calls me lady, uneducated much? hahaha. I dont feel welcome there, and that bothers me.
On top of that, I always felt like I was in a meat market. All these persian pigs hitting me, like they never saw a woman before. Everyone who is there is concerned with getting laid and stealing your money, and that's not fantastic. I don't need to be hit on at the gym. I'm there to do my thing and leave. You know? very human like!
So, would I recommend this gym to you? A BIG HELL NO!!! If you live nearby the location, run as fast as you can, you'll get 1000 flyers a month in your mail box. For $75 a month, you'll get a heart attack and a ripp-off. In fact, I'd say, they should change their name to EXTREME RIPP-OFF!!!
Word to the wise: If you plan on hitting the treadmill after class or work, don't bother, the parking lot is like bumper cars at Canada's wonderland!, you'll get a couple dents a week in your car, so buy life insurance. Why? Because there's always the evening swarm and you won't find one parking spot open. You'll get in a fight with some over steroid punk who talks like ROCKY. Plus, you'll always wait in line to get Anything in the gym, like a line-up for the rides at Canada;s Wonderland. Stay away from this place. Its been the worse nightmare I've had.
This company should be exposed, and put out of business.
So we signed up and for awhile it was good. We got a pretty alright deal (69 bucks a month), could use any location in the city and etc. Naturally, in the beginning they tried to sucker us into singing up for a personal trainer but we managed to refuse to all that sweet talk and on how much out-of-shape we were that we wouldn't be able to do anything without a trainer, etc. It was a pretty decent gym but it was always very, very full and a lot of equipment was broken.
Then about three months ago we decided that we no longer have the time to visit and it's not worth our money.
So we called to cancel and were told to come to location i.e. the Thornhill one, the one we were signed up at. Fine. So we came into the location and asked to speak to a manager. Surprisingly the manager, named Gordon, came to see us fairly quickly and ushered us into this room with computers. So we tell him that we can no longer keep going to the gym and that we want to cancel. Gordon says "oh, that's cool, but the computer that handles membership cancellations is out of order right now."
You should have seen my face when I heard that. Are you kidding me? How does he think that such a lame excuse even fly? That they have a separate computer that handles cancellations and it just happens to be out of order? Really?
I'm silently fuming at this point but my boyfriend keeps his cool and insists that we're cancelling. So Gordon says alright and says to email him with our membership numbers and names. We take his business card and leave, more than prepared at this point to file a dispute with VISA and Mastercard and use the cancellation email as proof when they overbill us.
So the end of the month comes and we're charged the fee. By that point I've read up on all the complaints about Extreme Fitness and I curse my own stupidity. I call VISA, open a dispute by saying that this gym has a lot of problems and that they won't refund my money, and ask VISA to help me out instead. These guys are great and tell me not to worry: they refunded me my money (I faxed them the email and told them that we called and told me that if a charge happens again to contact them again.
So two months pass quietly with no charges and today I casually checked my online banking and lo and behold: Extreme Fitness Thornhill membership charge on September 22, 2011. Um. Wow. Wtf. Aside from the fact that there is VISA on their tail now and my membership is clearly cancelled, they charge me on an obscure date not even at the end of the month?
Anyway, I'm pretty pissed so I found this blog and wrote this angry rant at 2am in the morning. Looks like a lot more people got fucked and much worse than I did and it's horrible that this shit company keeps scamming people out of their money! I wish there was a way to shut this shit hole down permanently - will probably fie a complaint with Ripoff report or BBB.
I'm going to call VISA again and see if they'll remove this charge as well and if they can somehow block the Extreme Fitness charges. Or if I should cancel the card or something as well just in case, pretty much anything I can do to keep these bastards from taking my money. I'll keep you guys updated on how this goes and I wish luck to all of you! I hope you all get your refunds and that this crap place gets shut down and no longer scams all the poor people!
I filed a complaint with Better Business Bureau and Consumer Protection.
What they do is completely illegal. I have every statement from my card, and I have my contract, which I've been told is "perpetual". I am getting my money back and bringing them down. Who's with me?
I filed a complaint with Better Business Bureau and Consumer Protection.
What they do is completely illegal. I have every statement from my card, and I have my contract, which I've been told is "perpetual". I am getting my money back and bringing them down. Who's with me?
I filed a complaint with Better Business Bureau and Consumer Protection.
What they do is completely illegal. I have every statement from my card, and I have my contract, which I've been told is "perpetual". I am getting my money back and bringing them down. Who's with me?
I filed a complaint with Better Business Bureau and Consumer Protection.
What they do is completely illegal. I have every statement from my card, and I have my contract, which I've been told is "perpetual". I am getting my money back and bringing them down. Obviously, I am not alone.
We can work together! PLEASE.
We can team up on that. I did the same, CC'd their CEO and VP. They "cancelled" my membership (which was expired over a year ago) and when I cancelled my credit card today, the bank told me they were trying to withdraw 3(!!!) more payments yesterday.
I filed a complaint with Consumer Protection Agency and will proceed with Police Fraud Unit.
The only CC they had, which they took a copy of, was the VISA, issued in Europe and expired in 2010, right after my membership. So they have no evidence of me giving them permission of using my Canadian CC.
They owe me around $1200 for now. I am taking a legal action as well.
We can work together on that.
extremescam@hotmail.ca
So i had the person fittness session to see my fitness levels, i didnt really need this as i know im unfit. so i was taken around my a lovely girl who nice and talked me through everything, then she brought me into the sales man, Alex, who just wouldnt take no for an answer, i know my budget levels, so he keep naming lower prices, i said no, she said take it have a session and if you dont like it you can cancel the personal 1 on 1 sessions, over the weekend i decided i couldnt afford it i was told i had until the 16th to make up my mind. So i went in to cancel it on the 10th, i went to the first guy who was playing with his phone a desk and he said he was too busy to deal with me and that i should wait to the guy who signed me up, so i waited and watched him play with his phone for 10 minutes, then Alex finally appeared he, tired to convince me to keep, asked me what had changed over 2 days that i didnt want it anymore, reminded him i never wanted it. He played on the pc, swore a few times, told me it was done, i asked if i had to sign something he said no. So after canceling it on the 10th i was happy this was over, but then on the 12th they took the payment for the 1 on from my credit card, i phoned up to complain, the person on the phone was shocked this could happen i was told the money would be back on my card in a day or 2,the money finally appeared back on my credit card on the 19th, so i phoned the gym to see if everything was sorted and they said i only had 1 payment for the yearly membership due to pay. then on the 21st the 1 on 1 fee came again and then on the 24th another payment came off my card. i have been a member for just over 2 weeks and already 3 payments have come off my card when only 1 should. i Phopned again today, Mike was shcoked again that this had happened. Havent been impressed so far i would not recomend this chain to anyone else
I went into see the managed at the Dunfield and was told I would get a refund..... this was the beg of the month and I am still waiting!!!
I have left voice mails and sent e mails with no response, managed to get to speak with him on the phone and was told that it had been approved....
But Im still waiting for the refund, will let you know if I get it!!!
My advice would be to pay off the card and get a new one. If you can't do that, send a fax, keeping the fax receipt, and send a follow up email. If any other charges come through I would contact the MCS (for what good it will do), the Better Business Bureau, and your local police forces fraud squad. I'd also suggest you contact your local MPP because they have the power to change the laws that let this rotten outfit keep scamming people.
I went in and they sat me down with a salesman. I told him I only came to check out what I had won, whether it was a free month, or 2, etc.
Instead, he tells me he could give me two months for free, and proceeds to print out an annual contract and asks me for my credit card. He then lies to me telling me I could use the gym for the free months and then change my mind.
So I sign the contract thinking that w/e I'll cancel it after trying it out but thanks to this page I realized I only have 10 days to make my mind!
The contract clearly states they weren't giving me anything for free ($60 for the first two months and then $60/month after that), and I wasn't even interested in joining the gym in the first place.
Thankfully I cancelled the next day, and had also gave them an unactivated credit card
Dalton McGuinty
John Gerretsen, the Ministry of the Attorney General
Margarett Best, Ministry of Consumer Services
My friend introduced me to Extreme Fitness last May. I have taken membership to multiple locations. My first interaction with the sales rep was positive. He was extremly professional I find their contract is simple and straight forward. I "chose" annual membership for better pricing. I asked lot of questions after reviewing the contract to make sure that I do not get surprises.
I have also used 36 PT sessions so far and have seen great results. I feel better, look better. In my opinion, Extreme Fitness provides best value for the money.
I work in an very successful IT company in marketing and Sales. In my 15 years of experience, I have come across lots of customers who have abused or wanted to abuse our product/services. I am assuming that Extreme Fitness is no exception to these abuses (especially through sites like this one that is selectively posting negative comments, that too in a reverse chronological order). This shows that the sole purpose of starting this blog was to malign and talk negative about this club.
From lots of comments referenced above, it seems that these folks did not read a simple two-page contract before making a buying commitment. Cheap and filthy language used by lots of folks and posted has led me to believe that lots of you are dishonest people who wanted to abuse the services provided.
If I were to suspect Extreme Fitness for its customer services, I would equally suspect lot of you folks (especially the owner of this blog) for malicious intentions to abuse the services/club and wanted to get out of the contract etc. and blame the company.
I am happy and I give two thumbs up to Extreme Fitness.
Regards.
http://www.margarettbest.onmpp.ca/
I am currently employed with Extreme Fitness and like any business, it has positives and negatives.
First the positives. The 'prizes' that you get called for? Really are prizes. From a kinesiology background, one year of working out really is a short span of time and so everything that the reps pitch isn't bullshit.
You really do have to assess your fitness goals and whether you are serious about your health. Fitness, remember, is free. There is more than enough ground for you to run on, you can hit up a sporting equipment store and buy some bands and you're pretty much set for holistic training. It's just that most people are too on the fence and make too many excuses to not work out.
HOWEVER
Onto the negatives. I currently work for Extreme Fitness like I said as a sales rep. I have been spoken to twice at different clubs for supposedly training two long time friends of mine. We are all 3 of us on a team named 'POKCA' (people out kicking cancer's ass) and are training together for the ride to conquer cancer next year. We are doing this because one of my friends recently beat leukemia and so are doing this ride.
I have been told that if I am caught training with them again that I will be suspended or lose my job. I understand from a business perspective that they see me training with my friend that they are losing money internally... but then again, the reason they joined the gym in the first place was so that we could all work out together, otherwise they would have never joined the gym in the first place...
I don't know whats up or down anymore.
I was treated with respect, lots of patience as I was asking about all those negative comments and I even told them I went to another gym but other than a few $ less / month, they really had nothing extra to offer there and this is why I came back to Extreme Fitness.
Almost forgot, we went for a month to Florida and extreme fitness actually suggested to me to freeze the membership. Guys, I know different people different experiences, but I think you should check again and give other people a chance as well, because in the end of the day, extreme fitness is about sport not something bad.
nobody here believes what you just wrote...
Nope, I am not coming back.
I trained mostly at Dundas and Richmond gym locations. Since I am moving to a new condo on university avenue next month, I don't need their gym anymore as the complex has a very sophisticated facility.
Let me get this straight here.
The people who are good are the cleaners. gyms look well-kept and cleaned.
the morons are the management staff and the trainers.
Look at that bozo at Richmond location. The unshaven guy, I don't know if he is the manager, or GM. He looks fukking arrogant. Sometimes, I wish I could smack his face. Unlike the previous Gm (who was good and left for pickering i heard), he looks and acts like an ashole.
the trainers are a bunch of losers. Some are not qualified at all. YES, you read it. They are NOT qualified. I have seen some who are out of shape, others know zilch about training. I question their ability as trainers. Just because it says "Personal Trainer" on the shirt does not mean they are. You betcha ask for their qualification.
What I would like is that they put their qualifications at the entrance of the gym, like in some Gold Gyms, I trained in the US, to show their integrity.
Last but not least,some equipment are broken in the Richmond branch took months to repair !!! One equipment has been broken so many times and still see the "out of order" sign yesterday. It is the abs torso.
1. It seems smith has not read my comments. Read it again. I work for an IT company that sells softwares. I do not work for Extreme Fitness. But I do occasionally visit sites like this one.
2. It seems anyone who likes Extreme, works for Extreme according to him :(
3. You are right. I am no random person, becasue it exercise and train at Extreme Fitness - regularly like many other. And I am a happy customer for few reasons:
- I read my contract before signing and asked lots of questions before making commitment.
- I like different workout choices they have
- I am courteous to their staff members. I don't use cheap and filthy language when taking and writing
- I dont get swayed by reading negative comments. If you are looking for negative in any company or popular person - just type their name and add "I hate.." in google. You'll get millions of negative post.
Two thumbs up Extreme and all the staff. Keep up the good work. Stay honest and sincere.
I checked on BBB. They are rated A+. I also learnt know that Extreme Fitness was voted as Top Fitness Club of 2011 in the GTA by Top Choice Award. They might be doing something right. I don't believe people writing so much negative.
When I asked about qualification, I got the stare look.
WTF, I am paying for the session, so I have a right t know.
Steve DaCosta owns part of the company, and Falconhead Capital owns the rest. Jim Solomon is the Chief Executive and David Bell is the CFO.
And as for their conduct, I will cut and paste, in full excerpts from the conversations I had with American Express, I obtained the transcripts under a Freedom of Information Request.
February 26, 2010
Amex: 'And he (ed. note: referring to the dispute department) spoke with our higher umm umm people, a higher person as well what advises what's what's happening is because in our other screen all the charges that they're putting through are being declined, however the merchant itself is directly charging the Amex card without them being approved'
May 18, 2010
Amex: 'M-M-n let me check that - Aah the last charge is only on the 13th U-m-m May 1st - see what is happening is we are declining the charges
Me: 'Yes'
Amex: 'There (sic) are putting it through manually'
Me: 'Right'
Amex: 'Um-H-m cause our end of it, we're declining it, ah they know they are not coming through the system'
Me: 'Yes'
Representative: 'And they decline, when we are declining, but it, they are still putting it still putting it through manually which our system cannot detect'
Me: 'So they can just put it through manually?'
Amex: 'U-M-H-M'
Cardmember: 'Oh'
Representative: 'Because when they put it through to the system we decline the charges'
Me: 'Right'
Amex: 'But then they are putting it through manually and we have no control over that.'
Me: 'Isn't that kind of dishonest?'
Representative: *laughs* 'Yeah because I see that on May 1st they tried manually first, I mean I mean through the system.'
Me: 'Yeah'
Representative: 'We declined it and then they put manually.'
Extreme Fitness operates a gym but they also use that as a 'front' to get people's credit card and banking information so as to skim funds from those accounts.
In addition to those steps, you have to do three things:
1) File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. They have no enforcement powers but it is still worthwhile.
2) Contact the Ministry of Consumer Services...they will try and do something there is continuous pressure on them.
3) Contact the fraud squad of your local police department. Contacting the one in downtown Toronto seems to be the best choice...they seem to be at least interested in pursuing this at some point...the more people they hear from, the better.
When I was a member, I noticed at times the deduction happened middle of the month instead of end of month.
Their trainers suck. 9 out of 10 are useless with no proper qualification. Some I saw working at the reception became trainers. So, I checked on Extreme fitness career and saw that all you need is some experience working in extreme fitness and voila ! a receptionist can become a trainer. To add insult to injury, the trainers are not in shape. Too skinny, fat butt, you name it.
I know. There was a girl who worked out at my location. She was a university student who was in good shape, but she wasn't studying kinesiology or human physiology or anything. Next thing you know, she was a trainer! When I was university aged, I was in great shape too, but I would never have presumed to train other people, especially those that may have had sports injuries or other health complications. I'd love to see these jokers get sued.
Don't forget to post on their YouTube channel!!!
1. Staff sucks big time. SERIOUSLY WTF ? Trainers look amateurish and charge big money for a single session
2. Equipment not repaired for two months ("out of order" sign still there)
3. Shady tactics in getting people to sign
4. For first timer, give you the grand tour, big smile. Then when you say "No" after the guided tour (huh ?), that's when all hell breaks lose. They get angry, and pissed till you say "Yes" to their contract.
5. Saw a crew doing promotion recently. That is for fools who will get suckered in early next year after all the partying and boozing and going on that high flying new year resolutions.
i joined extreme fitnes back in 2006 im very happy with the service they provide, the staff is friendly machines are new a lot of variety, and heavy free weights. i dont know why these people complain about the gym so much ? its a customer service business and shit happens every where its a part of life. so far i have no problems i love the gym and i go to a lost every location they have in toronto. i would suggest you to join extreme fitness.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A YOUNG WOMAN! I WAS SEXUALLY HARASSED BY ONE OF THEIR MALE TRAINERS AT ONE OF THEIR LOCATIONS AND AFTER I REPORTED IT TO THE MANAGER,I WAS PUT THROUGH HELL WHEN ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS CANCEL MY CONTRACT(WITH GOOD REASON!)AND MOVE ON WITH MY LIFE. IT TOOK THEM 3 MONTHS AND ME HAVING TO ORDER A BLOCK ON MY CARD,NUMEROUS CALLS TO THEIR SUPPOSED "THORNHILL HEAD OFFICE" AND ULTIMATELY A LETTER OUTLINING MY INTENT TO FILE A CLAIM WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION FOR THEM TO FINALLY RELEASE ME FROM MY CONTRACT. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE WORST EXPERIENCES IN MY LIFE AND THEIR MANAGEMENT TEAM DID VERY LITTLE TO APPROPRIATELY RECTIFY THE SITUATION. I AM SO DISGUSTED, NOT TO MENTION DISAPPOINTED BY THE UNPROFESSIONAL MANOR IN WHICH THEY "HANDLED" THE WHOLE ORDEAL. ANYONE READING THIS:PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SAVE YOURSELF THE MENTAL,EMOTIONAL, PHYSICAL AND FINANCIAL STRESS AND AVOID EXTREME FITNESS AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!!!!
I thought this was unfair so I wrote a bad review on Yelp about them and then when I went into the Yonge and Bloor location, I was accosted by not one, not two, but THREE of the BIG HUGE MUSCLY managers when I entered, in front of other staff and members, about my review.
They were sarcastic and rude, and made me so uncomfortable by harassing me, I left.
I'm never going back.
DO NOT EVER FALL FOR THESE AS**OLES!
Can anyone recommend a complaints bureau or consumer rights board or tell me what my rights would be in this case as they have informed me this is not their issue even though it was theie system error and I was the person who originally brought this to their attention?
When you say your account is blocked, do you mean they won't let you in? Take that as a blessing. Send them a fax, retaining the fax confirmation sheet, and an email saying that due to their ineptitude and unwillingness to help you are cancelling their membership. Then change your account number or close that credit card permanently so they can't force charges through.
They may try to take you to a collection agency if you don't pay but I would preempt them by complaining to the BBB and the CPB. Then, if they badger you, you can file an addendum. You have to be proactive.
As for the BBB rating, it doesn't mean much. The fact is, they get credit so to speak for trying to resolve a customer's problem. Only a small percentage of the people that are ripped off complain, so that works in their favor. Then if they make a half-assed attempt to resolve the problem, it actually works in their favor.
The only other course of action is to write to the consumer columnists at the Toronto dailies. Ellen Roseman at the Toronto Star is well aware of Extreme's antics and adding another story to her collection probably won't hurt.
CANCEL that Visa card asap. And DO NOT get another Visa card from the same provider. Extreme tricks them into revealing your new account info.
Once you are stuck with them, it becomes incredibly hard to cancel.
Strongly suggest everyone stay away from Xtreme FitnesS!!
If you can, EF run decent gyms. Lots of machines. Free towels. Sauna. Open early and stay open late. Some classes if you like that sort of thing. I've had no problems.
My only complaint is that I've never seen anyone behind the counter at the juice bar in Richmond
http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/english/home-eng.html 1.888.654.9426
You may be on hold for a while, however, it's worth it as enough reports may spur law enforcement into action.
This is only a small portion of the bullshit I have dealt with over this horrible excuse for a company. I am now a member of goodlife and have never been happier.
STAY AWAY FROM THIS GYM. It is only a matter of time before they are shut down for good. And even then, they will probably still take your money, lol.
They are so bad that when I was standing in line with my wife and complaining about the gym, when we got to the teller, she said 'I heard you guys complaining about a gym ripping you off. Was that Extreme Fitness? We get customers complaining about them all the time, I'd never go there.' And that was without prompting.
They are thieves, and we if had a government that gave a rat's behind about the populace they'd be long gone out of business.
I got their flyer in my mail, again, for 2 month - $6 membership trial, no obligations, no excuses. So, after some thinking, I went to Yonge and Sheppard location to look at it today at about 5 pm.
After some waiting, a woman in her forties with long permed hair came out to ask me what I wanted. She never introduced herself. In a sarcastic tone of voice she asked me if I new that this offer is only for two months. Then, she questioned me for a few minutes about my previous memberships with other gyms. In conclusion, she told me that I am someone who “goes from club to club.” I indeed was once a member of YMCA and recently used a Goodlife Fitness facility for a month. I do shop around and find it useful. At least, I am not going to be a member of a place where I was insulted.
This company does not have and head office details on there website. One has to deal with clubs only. Clubs have no mail or email details of any kind, only phone numbers. Obviously, there is no responsibility. This is also something to think about.
Now, I posted the above on extreme fitness facebook and it was deleted within secondsī
Stay away, there are many other responsible fitness orgs.
I figured that I would get an "up sell" pitch, I didn't expect how aggressive the sales staff would be for me to sign a contact and give my credit card information. After debating, with a sales manager over the difference in using my credit card on a group buying site verses giving my credit card to Extreme Fitness (thank gosh I didn't) instead of just trying my voucher for the promotion I had purchased I had to the sales manager look at the staff that was assisting me say "give her the two month promo... we only give promotions to people who are serious about fitness." I was blown away by the lack of professionalism, grabbed my voucher and walked out.
I had the GM call me later and although I appreciated the fact he did reach out to apologize for his staff's behaviour and offered compensation for the situation upon reflection it's too little too late. I will happily pay for a service if I think its worth it but I strongly suggest you think twice before joining Extreme Fitness. It was an extreme disappointment.
Here is the info on the thieves that run this place:
Steve daCosta
Extreme Fitness
8281 Yonge Street,
Thornhill, ON
L3T 3C7
Ph (905) 709-1248
Extreme Fitness executives:
Jim Solomon, Chief Executive
David Bell, CFO
It is worth noting that Mr Solomon and Mr. Bell formerly held the same positions at the defunct Crunch Fitness which was notorious for engaging in similar fraudulent practices.
I wonder if I can get my own trainer (who might charge less or work "on the side") to come and train me at EF?
Pay by cheque and open a bank account only for the purpose for the monthly gym debit. When you cancel, stop depositing the funds. A pain the a**, yup, but at least you keep some of the power.
Keep writing to her...maybe, finally, they will do something.
It's only been a day so I am going to cancel my contract (10 day cooling off period). My question is, I noticed that he seemed to have purposely type in my adress wrong on the contract. He did not even care to type in my full name. I am wondering if it will affect at all the cancellation of the contract. Since he might find some loopholes around it.
Please help me. :(
Oh and nobody really needs a personal trainer. There are enough books and websites devoted to fitness with which you can educate yourself. You're not attempting Olympic gold here.
Falconhead Capital which owns Extreme Fitness brought these 2 useless executives from New York on 5 years ago. James Solomon, and David Bell came over from Crunch fitness after running Crunch into Bankruptcy.
After 5 years of incompetence they have been terminated, but to late to save Extreme Fitness as their next step is to declare bankruptcy which will happen within the next 6 months.
BYE BYE Extreme Fitness the witch is dead
In my case, they had a guy named Alex, very beefy, who was pushing me into a multi-thousand dollars personal training contract, no matter what your needs are. They will typically have two gym members sitting you in one of their small interview room pushing you for the sale for up to an hour. They will use trick terms, like "bi-weekly" rather than monthly or total payment, just to make you swallow the pill more easily.
I was so appalled at their way of doing things that I went off the gym and faxed them my cancelation notice. After asking for a refund for my downpayment twice, I finally gave up given the corporate wall that the gym employees must face themselves.
I really hope this gym goes into bankruptcy, especially with all the money spent mailing me these absurd flyers every week.
And having you in a room for an hour?? The longest I've sat with a sales person is maybe three minutes. They do their spiel and I say something like "I'll get back to you" and that's it.
http://trueler.com/2010/11/09/extreme-fitness-personal-training-rip-off/
What SHOULD happen is that they are prosecuted for committing a fraud against the public. Then shut this scam joint down.