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Waste Costs (You?)

Posted by Greg Davis / August 18, 2008

Garbage FeesThe City-wide roll out of the new garbage bins is now just about complete but that is not the end of changes to our collection system.

A recent article has drawn attention to a call for "welfare for waste" to create better ways to eliminate special waste items. Apparently as of November 1, the city is set to implement a unique recycling program for the bulky items no one is quite sure what do with, save putting them out for local treasure hunters or otherwise going in with the garbage. City solid waste manager Geoff Rathbone is quoted as saying even though for many of these types of items the City has no idea how exactly they will be recycled, they are going to "just jump in" and figure it out as they go along. We're talking about big items such as mattresses, carpets, and furniture.

I was pretty surprised to hear the City talking about a program that doesn't seem to be announced yet. Details are missing from the City Garbage website. It still just simply says "..place bulky items (furniture) out on your regular garbage collection day." Of course if the biggest items could be recycled instead of thrown in a landfill, there would be huge potential to reduce our waste burden (environmental and cost).

November 1st happens to be the same day users will start paying for the new trash bins. Forking over cash directly to deal with waste will be a new concept for Torontonians might have to get used to. Fees are set to be levied on manufacturers of electronics in the province starting next spring, ranging from $5 to $15 depending on the type of item, to pay for proper recycling (about time!).

The situation begs a larger question: who is responsible for paying for waste? The person throwing it away at the end, or the company that created it?

It does make a lot of sense to try to make the companies that design products pay for as much of the disposal costs as possible. That creates incentive for design improvements. Germany has used this approach for years, by for example requiring cars to be returned to the manufacturer at end of life. Ontario and Quebec have introduced programs that charge industry fees based on the weight of packaging they use in their products each year.

The case of electronic waste is particularly controversial for a few reasons. Firstly, electronics are known to be hazardous (and the public knows this intuitively- it doesn't take a science degree to know they don't landfill well). Secondly, there is much debate, especially in the US, over who is responsible for paying- the consumer or the company. With the latter, the issue is compounded by the fact that some companies have invested in their own "take back" programs. Dell and HP, for example, already have programs to take back their products directly from the consumer. So why should they be forced to pay for more programs? But then who will pay to recycle that ancient, heavy oak framed television made by some since non-existent company?

While the debate goes on in regions with stalled recycled programs, clearly Toronto has some momentum in the direction of people being more accepting of new solutions- even if at a higher cost.

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Discussion

11 Comments

anne / August 18, 2008 at 12:17 pm
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well it used to be that a person could call the Salvation Army to come and pick up old furniture ... there must be people who need good stuff that is free
Mark Dowling / August 18, 2008 at 12:19 pm
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we just bought a new mattress, so I'm putting the old one in the basement to wait for the recycling program.

I believe such a program is underway in Montreal.
Krista / August 18, 2008 at 02:16 pm
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The free section on Toronto Craigslist listings is also a great way and place to connect with others to recycle your unwanted items.
james a / August 18, 2008 at 03:51 pm
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For sure, I second the craigslist part.. A few years back I posted an ugly old junked entertainment stand with a picture, and within 24 hours I had about 30 responses from people offering to come pick it up.
Davedavedave / August 18, 2008 at 04:19 pm
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It doesn't matter if the levy is on manufacturers or consumers.....it will just be a tax on consumers in the end because manufacturers will just pass on the cost. Or did you think that they would let it eat into their profit?
Christopher King / August 18, 2008 at 04:38 pm
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Is that my chair?
W. K. Lis / August 18, 2008 at 06:57 pm
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Look's still good. Oh, oh. My wife will want me to pick it up for the rec room. I hope the rain soaked it, so it's no good.
Anon / August 18, 2008 at 07:07 pm
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Honestly, if you get any foot traffic on your block, and if it's not a rainy day, and if the item isn't completely broken or worthless, you can put nearly ANYTHING out on your curb with a sign taped to it saying "Free [thing] - please take me" and it'll be gone within an hour. During the day obviously, not at night.

Not too long ago, I put out four chairs (two sets of 2), two lamps, a set of TV tables, and one or two other things. Everything went except for half of one of the lamps, which ended up in the trash pickup the next day. Yes, someone does want your random crap.
Corina / August 18, 2008 at 07:19 pm
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So according to a story I recently say on CTV, anything put to the curb is technically 'city property' if it's in a blue box. Thus, people who pick through recycling for beer/liquor bottles can be charged with something akin to 'theft' of city revenue. So I wonder if large items left curbside are considered litter? City property? Is there a way for the city to redistribute/generate revenue from these items? hmm.
James / August 19, 2008 at 07:35 am
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The city's pickup of bulk items is pretty broken: hard to say if it is pure incompetence or the result of lazy workers. Maybe they should work on fixing this before introducing yet another program.

To get rid of a bulky item like an old appliance you can't just leave it out on your garbage day. You have to phone a week in advance to get bulk items picked up. After you've gone to that trouble the item usually isn't picked up and you have to phone again and again to the city's broken phone system. After a month of trying to get the city to pick up an old dishwasher that sat on the curb the whole time. I wound up driving it to the waste transfer station myself. I've had several people tell me about similar experiences.

It it not surprising you see so much illegal garbage dumping around the city. The city doesn't provide the service they claim to.
Go Toronto Card / August 19, 2008 at 11:06 am
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It sounds like a great start to making things better but it will def. be a while before this process is streamlined and actually working in the direct it is intended for.

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