Toronto Club District
More nightclubs to disappear from Clubland under proposed hotel/condo development
A large sign is fixed over a front window at 117 Peter Street; in official city lettering, the headline reads: "Development Proposal." The three-story warehouse sits on the southeast corner of Peter and Richmond - the epicenter of Clubland - and has hosted some of the areas most notorious and successful nightclubs. On any given weekend thousands of would be bar-stars descend on the downtown core in a quest to see and be seen.
This "proposal" could change all that. In a neighbourhood that seems to thrive on reinvention, this could signify the next phase for the Richmond Street corridor. In the area's current incarnation, individual businesses generally only last a few years, often being shut down for liquor or capacity violations, but when one closes it only creates space and opportunity for another to open.
At present, 117 Peter houses Embassy, Home, and Traffik nightclubs - as well as a women's fitness centre and a pizza parlour. But over the years, the elongated windows in the red and brown brick have offered a peek into a shifting neighbourhood. Throughout Peter Street's many lives - from manufacturing district all the way to club district and beyond - that building on the corner has changed too, following the trends laid out by the neighbourhood. Buntin-Reid Co., a paper manufacturer, erected the building in 1931 when they moved from Yonge Street.
The company was founded in 1858; its original headquarters fell victim to the Great Toronto Fire of 1904, but moved to another location elsewhere on Yonge until finding it's new permanent residence on Peter. When Buntin-Reid arrived on Peter Street the neighbourhood was a manufacturing Mecca at the edge of the city.
As the city began to swell, property values rose with it and it wasn't long before the factories began pursuing greener cheaper pastures. When Buntin-Reid moved to Mississauga in the early sixties, Peter Street was already shifting from manufacturing centre to more service oriented industries. Typesetters, appliance repair shops and various importers began occupying the factories' former spaces.
Soon after Buntin-Reid's beeline for the 'burbs, the Bank of Nova Scotia moved in and for the next thirty years the area comfortably expanded, continuing its makeover. By the eighties Scotiabank had vacated too and was replaced by a graphic design firm, foreshadowing another trend that would continue as more creative based companies would soon swarm into the area.
The first inklings of what was to come came in the early nineties. At the time the street was still mostly littered with offices that emptied out at night and in 1995 Orchid Nightclub opened at 117 Peter. Orchid was among the originals of the newly minted scene, but like most clubs it ran its course and by the turn of the century it was being traded in for a new image to keep the masses interested.
For the next decade the neighbourhood continued to redefine itself, this time as a late night playground for the young. It seems the city was slow to catch on to what was happening in the area and for the next few years there was little stopping the former manufacturing district's metamorphosis.
Today that evolution continues. That piece of plywood fastened to the brick of 117 Peter Street signals the next phase in the districts life - its residential phase. A proposal has been submitted to the city to build a 29-story hotel/condominium. The request is still being debated and fine tuned within City Hall, but there is little doubt change is on the horizon.
After a decade of pushing people out, the neighbourhood is inviting them back again. Many neighbours - Leo Mourtos of Zupa's and Chris Kotsaboikidis of New York Furs - are welcoming the growth beyond Clubland. The hope is that with a permanent population will come a newfound respect and interest in the neighbourhood and perhaps with that something the area has never really had - stability.
Photos by Dennis Marciniak


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Or Tonic Nightclub?
And before that, the location was used for many terrific raves and warehouse parties.
That's a shame, I liked seeing Leo everyday whether it was to get something to eat or to just get a drink to go.
The Corned Beef has been temporarily shut down also by a new condo, but they are apparently moving to a new location.
I would have thought condo/hotel development which encourage density replacing an infamous club corner would be the one time blogTO commentators would be able to support it.
I have news for people: Every part of the city had been once 'zoned' for some other type of building. If we were to preserve every building that had once been devoted to manufacturing, then the city's growth would grind to a halt. You have to pick and choose buildings to replace and preserve if you want the city to maintain its character, but still have growth. The key is to pick buildings that are historically significant or architecturally beautiful. This is neither. Get over it.
Heritage preservation can't be about cherry-picking a few showpiece buildings. It's about preserving a certain urban fabric and historical quality--remarkable buildings and average ones. Then densifying the city by laying new building around and over top that (in this case, incorporating the original building into a podium for the condo, which would be awesome.)
This is the way good cities are built.
Besides, didn't I say I'd be fine with demolishing the one-storey uglies across the street? Way to have a knee-jerk response.
BlogTo people do like the idea of high density planning as opposed to suburban sprawl, but they do not like condos. They probably are in strong support of racial equality, just do not want to be in an area where there are black people who do not at least have an undergrad degree.
BTW: Kant's categorical imperative includes everyone but themselves and their actions.
I did acid, e, shrooms and pot (although not all at the same time, mostly...) back in my clubbing days.
Never went in for the horse sedatives and the like. Distracts from the music, man...
Some people just don't want to see all Toronto's brick and stone get knocked down so that we live in some Hong Kong looking city. Count me in as one.
I'm not against condos at all, but all for smart urban planning. Integrating the original building into the condo would be great though doubtful at this point.
Whoever buys a condo there will be met with the folks across the street at the mega-homeless shelter...but that's the big city for you!
Do you really think the development company is going to pay tens of millions of dollars more to preserve <i>-that-</i>? It would be cheaper and more effective to just incorporate a warehouse style into the new design. Where do you think that money would come from? It would only get transferred down to the cost of the condos.
And that would bring us to BlogTO's other popular contradiction. The demand for affordable housing, but also increasingly expensive demands in regards to infrastructure and style.
Would you be okay if they preserved this facade and instead built luxury condos?
Would you also be okay with the increased cost of preserving facades meaning only the largest (and likely international) developers will be able to build at these locations?
Would anyone even buy a luxury condo with this poor excuse for a facade worth keeping?
Could the condo even be efficiently designed while keeping the facade? They'll probably want store front space on the ground level and this facade just doesn't really support it. (The ground level retail is often demanded or encouraged by the city if they are to allow a new building being built).
Also, the likely reason why they aren't tearing down the one story buildings? They aren't for sale or the owner is demanding an unrealistic price for the property. If the building WAS up for sale and not overpriced, I guarantee you that they'd be redeveloped in a heartbeat.
And it looks like the warehouse may stick around... the planning report submitted to the city indicated that the demolition of the building currently there was undesirable, and that the proposed tower was too tall. I agree with the former, not the latter, but anyway, there you have it.
But still, old buildings have that patina of age. And their property taxes are often grandfathered, and they're often simply cheaper for businesses to operate out of than brand-new buildings, which gives them a unique place in the urban economy. (i.e., a mom-and-pop shop can operate out of many old buildings more easily than a new construction.)
Every city needs a place for people to let loose, and this district took many years to become firmly established. Unless the developers are planning to keep the first 3 floors as clubs, then it makes no sense to keep chipping away at the district in this fashion.
If you argue the scene can simply shift elsewhere, it can only expand along King St. (or Wellington) so far before it runs into more residential, and already condo developers are infilling condo towers west of Spadina as fast as they can.
This trend is going to eventually bite a lot of people in the ass, we need to work out better policy now while there's still time.
What a joke, do you really think that this is going to be affordable housing? As far as im concerned if your rich enough to afford a condo downtown making sure the thing isnt an eyesore is the least you could do.
A 300k condo isn't unreasonable with someone with an average, salaried, entry level job (that isn't part time at DQ). 500k could add another 10 years onto the dream of owning your own home.
Uh, beg to differ, Mr. Privilege. To those in my university cohort who had Mom and Dad pay for university, and had their help getting a job, AND could live at home rent-free while they saved for that down payment, yeah, $300K may be reasonable. But to those of us who are paying $300-$400 a month on their $40K student loans, while paying anywhere from $900-1400/month in rent, working their way up through less-illustrious ($40K-60K/year) careers, it could be a decade(s) before they come anywhere *near* having a reasonable downpayment on a downtown condo.
Cont'd:
Ingdirect.ca's mortgage calculator, with an input of $50,000 salary/year, estimates a maximum mortgage loan for a condo (with est. $500/month condo fees and taxes at $2100) at a purchase price of $179,000, with a down payment of $7964.
The same estimator says I can purchase a condo at $300K at $75,000 salary, with a $14,000 down payment. In what world is $75K "entry level?"
LOL im hoping you are being sarcastic! The clubs were there before the condos. If people dont like dealing with club people, why do they buy a condo near clubs and bars? Did they not do their research before they bought? Perhaps condos have no business being in urban entertainment districts?
Do people not realize that living in cities comes with a requirement of noise tolerance and people tolerance? And that some neighbourhoods have more noise and activity than others?
When you take clubland away, they will spread out to my area!!!!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Please don't tell me it was psych or a liberal arts degree.
Move a few decades ahead, and guess what? This area is no longer seen as peripheral, rents are getting too high to support clubs and people (gasp!) like to live near their jobs. Its just part of the evolution of the neighbourhood. I don't really see much of an intrinsic link between the neighbourhood and nightclubs anyways
Move a few decades ahead, and guess what? This area is no longer seen as peripheral, rents are getting too high to support clubs and people (gasp!) like to live near their jobs. Its just part of the evolution of the neighbourhood. I don't really see much of an intrinsic link between the neighbourhood and nightclubs anyways
Move a few decades ahead, and guess what? This area is no longer seen as peripheral, rents are getting too high to support clubs and people (gasp!) like to live near their jobs. Its just part of the evolution of the neighbourhood. I don't really see much of an intrinsic link between the neighbourhood and nightclubs anyways
Move a few decades ahead, and guess what? This area is no longer seen as peripheral, rents are getting too high to support clubs and people (gasp!) like to live near their jobs. Its just part of the evolution of the neighbourhood. I don't really see much of an intrinsic link between the neighbourhood and nightclubs anyways
I would say I disagree with you in terms of what is "reasonable".