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Collective buying sites battle for the attention and wallets of Torontonians

Posted by Erin Bury / April 16, 2010

TeamBuyBy now you've probably used an online coupon, or even a mobile coupon using new startups like Clip Mobile. The downside to a coupon is it's usually only a small discount - maybe 75 cents off a box of cereal, or buy-one get-one-free sandwiches. Not exactly mind-blowing.

But what if you could get deep discounts (think 50-90% off the regular price) on things like tickets to sporting events and dinners at local restaurants? Now it's suddenly worth your attention. Enter the new wave of collective buying sites that are taking Toronto, and the global marketplace, by storm.

Collective buying sites are based on the premise that retailers can offer a deeper discount on goods and services if a larger group of people commit to purchasing a deal. It's leveraging the old adage of 'there's power in numbers' to give consumers a great offer, and retailers exposure to new audiences. For a deal to become active a certain number of users have to commit to it - if the number isn't reached in the limited time frame no one gets the deal.

We first wrote about collective buying sites last month when we profiled local startup TeamBuy. But they're only one of many new companies, both Toronto-based and from around North America, that are trying to enter the lucrative new collective buying space. They include local sites like the recently-launched WagJag and WebPiggy, and a host of U.S. and international-based sites like SocialBuy, LivingSocial, Groop Swoop... the list goes on.

The biggest of the bunch is Chicago-based Groupon (group coupon - smart right?), which launched in 2008 and now has over 200 employees. They put the lucrative in collective buying - it was announced on Tuesday that the company has a valuation of $1.2 billion (yes, that's billion with a B) and is expecting revenue in excess of $100 million in 2010. Groupon launched in 2008, has been expanding like crazy across North America, and has sold over 3 million 'groupons' to date. It's launching soon in Toronto - well at least that's what their website says. I signed up on February 18th and still haven't heard a word. They definitely have the advertising dollars to back them up though - if you've been on Facebook or on any number of Toronto-based websites you've probably seen one of their ads.

TeamSaveLocal entrepreneurs Chris Nguyen and Lee Liu (formerly of Dragon's Den and JobLoft.com fame) launched social buying site TeamSave.com last week, and are banking on the power of social media to propel their growth. After all, if you want a deal badly enough you'll appeal to your friends via Twitter, Facebook, and any number of other social media sites. They're also offering you $5 if you refer a friend.

team saveThese social buying sites aren't without criticism. In the comments on our post last month TeamBuy users complained that they received unwanted e-mail from companies after purchasing a deal, and that TeamBuy was inflating the number of users who bought a deal. TeamBuy maintains they don't sell e-mails to companies involved in the offers, and that the number disparity was due to a technical glitch. Users also have to be careful to check out any expiration dates and stipulations specific to each offer to avoid running into problems when redeeming deals.

There's also the question of what's in it for retailers. After all, they're offering products and services at a deeply discounted price, and have to hand over some of the profits (30-50%) to the third-party sites. But, on the other hand, they're getting exposure to a new audience, and guaranteed customers - something traditional advertising can't promise. One company that used Groupon set a minimum of 75 for the deal and ended up selling over 750.

I talked to Arshad Marali, the owner of Liberty Noodle who has run deals with TeamBuy and TeamSave. "We've seen a bunch of customers come in and use the coupon," he says, "and the lion's share have been customers who have never tried our restaurant." Though it's too early to tell if they'll become repeat customers he says he'd definitely do a deal again - and has no preference for either company. TeamBuy user Joshua Lenon says that he becomes a repeat customer if the deal is right. "My friend and I see group buying as a way to try new places without a lot of risk. We try new restaurants, gyms, and services," he says, and "the ones that 'wow' us get added to our list of favorites. We go back quite often."

So which company will come out on top in Toronto? The one you choose to buy with really depends on the deal being offered - which relies on the company's ability to attract the hottest local businesses. But there's no doubt that collective buying is taking off - while writing this article I got a direct message on Twitter asking me if I've checked out TeamSave and their latest deal. I know I'll try to support local companies as much as possible - but I won't be able to turn down an amazing Groupon every once in a while.

Discussion

32 Comments

Thom D / April 16, 2010 at 11:22 am
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TeamSave's can't be considered a Toronto site, their deal displaying above is in Burlington or something.....LOL.

The consensus with teambuy seems to be that their numbers are fake

I like the W's, WagJag and Webpiggy, all the power to ya!
Janice T / April 16, 2010 at 11:32 am
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Hey TeamSave - Way to rip off TeamBuy's branding
Mark / April 16, 2010 at 11:50 am
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I agree with both comments. Team save is a terrible rip off of a site that is shrouded with treachery. Not a good choice in following team buy lads . I think I'll stick with the W's as well. Good job Wagjag and Webpiggy!!!
Emily / April 16, 2010 at 12:18 pm
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Thanks for this! This looks like a really great site to get presents for friends--things like $40 for an $80 gift card--wow! You'll just have to keep checking every day for a while to find something they'll like.
Dwayne / April 16, 2010 at 12:46 pm
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These sites are great! I've used Wagjag, Teamsave and Teambuy before. Even adding on tips and extras I'm still saving lots of money.
Tom Bachour / April 16, 2010 at 01:00 pm
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Hi all. I am owner of Tom Michaels Salon. I want to share my good experience. We were featured on teambuy earlier this month. They got us 62 customers, and wrote me a check the next day. I have already received many new clients, and can easily track who has been here through the list of names that teambuy has given me. I have only met one rep from there, but he has been very gracious. I have done deals with web piggy and it went smooth too. These sites have good people and i have not experienced scam
Sam / April 16, 2010 at 01:27 pm
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I've had good experiences with teambuy but haven't had the opportunity to try any of the other sites so I won't be able to comment on the W's or anything. I've read about the whole "fake" numbers thing but if you guys read their discussion boards, they sometimes do transactions on the phone and add those numbers in later.

Plus, even if they've "faked" numbers, that only means everyone got a sick deal that day, doesn't it? Anyway, I'm definitely a fan of these group buying sites. Keep those deals coming!

Steven / April 16, 2010 at 01:41 pm
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I attended the Teambuy appreciation party with a couple family members and had a really great time. They seemed really down to earth and everything was what they said it would be. I've continued to check their site among a couple others everyday but I've only actually purchased from Teambuy. All went well at redemption and I had me some pad thai.

I hope to see more businesses like these continue to grow, the tougher the competition the better the deals will be for us right?
Jack S / April 16, 2010 at 01:48 pm
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If Teambuy is faking numbers why would i give them my credit card #?????

Identity theft alert! I noticed teambuys deals seem to be a lot of cheap stuff (RF Deals type stuff)

Also heard they are now being run by a bunch of investors so all this crap about empowering the community is a load of hot garbage.
Dennis / April 16, 2010 at 01:48 pm
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Thanks Tom! We've gotten great feedback from the webpiggy buyers as well. One actually told us it was the best facial they've ever had!
Brad / April 16, 2010 at 02:14 pm
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These sites are great! I agree the more the better! According to Twitter, Groupon will be launched this Monday. Looks like we'll just have to wait and see.
Kayla / April 16, 2010 at 03:01 pm
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I got a coupon for Poutini's from Wagjag.Com and it worked perfectly! And they were really excited to see someone use the coupon. I also received a promo code for Burn the Floor from them and used it to buy 2 tickets. I'll definitely keep my eye open for more.
Paul / April 16, 2010 at 03:29 pm
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These sites will flicker like a candle next to the Sun when Groupon launches in Toronto next week. Newly valued at $1.2 billion (techcrunch), Groupon will very likely take the reigns from their imitators while at the same time raising the bar and establishing a new industry standard.
MK / April 16, 2010 at 04:14 pm
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Groupon has been saying they’re launching for over a month now. Sounds like they’re not having much luck in Canada. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Personally I just like the deals, so whoever has the best will get me to buy so far have had no complaints with team buy or webpiggy. I haven’t tried the rest yet. Waiting for them to get better deals.
Mat / April 16, 2010 at 06:48 pm
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As a past teambuy buyer (on numerous occasions) and as a featured business on TeamBuy, I'd like to mention that my experience with their management staff has been nothing but professional and pleasant.

My inquires were responded to immediately, I was given the opportunity to market my service in an effective way, and I brought in clients that ended up making my company money. I sold our service for approximately 50% off, and in turn I ended up having the typical customer choosing to purchase additional services (I'd estimate an extra 200% of the initial buy price).

I can honestly say that the number of buys was given to me, and it corresponded with the number of buys that was shown. The only discrepancies occurred when there was a few refunds during the second instance of my business being featured.

As I mentioned in a previous article on here, as a consumer I could care less about numbers that are on their website. They are completely irrelevant to my purchase decision - If 10000 bought a deal, it doesn't influence me to buy. Similarly, if 0 people purchased, and I wanted something, I would still buy. Now take the extreme situation where one of these group buy sites opts to bring the numbers closer to the minimum buys, to help encourage users who may not want to purchase a deal that wouldn't go through... well guess what, if the team buy site says 20 deals, and the minimum is 20, then you are getting the deal. It doesn't matter if there was only 1 real deal or not, I'd be happier that I GOT the deal rather than hearing that there was only 1 buy.

Now again as I said I have no idea if in other instances buys have been padded, nor would it have any influence to me as a consumer. In my experience as a teambuy featured business, the buys were accurate and everything was handled in a tiptop manner.

For the guy refer to identity theft, you are insane. First of all, in any of these companies you are providing your credit information over a secured server (SSL certificate intact) and they sit unprocessed until the deal confirmed. Do you follow the waitress to the cash when you pay at a restaurant? Because that is the same level of paranoia that you're displaying here.

I haven't heard anything about "investors" running teambuy, but I had heard that they had a board of advisors including Derek Szeto of Clear Sky Media/Redflagdeals, which is pretty solid backing for a Canadian consumer knowledge perspective. Again, your logic is flawed, as thousands of companies are public or "corporately" owned and yet provide billions of dollars into local infrastructure, charity, and their communities.

I'd put my bottom dollar on the whole teambuy.ca hate-on being spearheaded by a competitor. That being said, I have no problem with any of the other sites, I just haven't used them yet. Too many cooks in the kitchen seems like it will hurt this industry though, a company like teamsave seems pointless coming to the table so late and featuring repeat deals from other sites....

Btw to the teamsave guys... don't bring your professor to close any deals with businesses ;-)

Mat Dwyer
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Blaze / April 16, 2010 at 07:56 pm
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Wow! Way to go teamsave... you ripped off a concept, but did u really have to rip off a name? haha seriously guys come on.. anyway keep the repeat deals coming.. there's a market for everything these days i guess
Harold / April 16, 2010 at 08:29 pm
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Oh come on Blaze. It's so much easier to rip off someone than come up with an original idea...lol. At least get some original deals.

Mat you seem to have a lot of info on teambuys inner workings. Huh, strange. I saw another teambuy article on blogto a while ago. Seems to be a lot of people who don't like teambuy for some reason. I guess if they are "fudging numbers" they're not a very ethical bunch and I probably wouldn't care to do business with them. If these allegations are true, which I guess we'll never know.

http://www.blogto.com/tech/2010/03/a_20_version_of_the_coupon_book/
Harold / April 16, 2010 at 10:11 pm
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Maybe I should learn that people who post can post anything under anyones name. Read through their facebook group, most fans probably has to mean something right?
Eddy / April 16, 2010 at 10:30 pm
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Hello BlogTo readers, my name is Eddy Yao and I am one of the Co-Founders of Teambuy.ca
Thank you BlogTo for the second feature on TeamBuy! Since our last article we’ve achieved a lot of great things which unfortunately weren’t mentioned here. For example, the $500,000 we’ve saved our community of users in our first 5 months, the featured Charity where we attempted to help send a TeamBuyer to Africa on a charitable mission and the record setting 598 TeamBuyers who participated in a single group purchase last week.
I understand why certain issues were raised in the discussion board but these issues were both raised anonymously and answered by myself the last time around. We 100% do not sell e-mails and in regards to anonymous accusations, feel free to verify our results with our partner businesses. My only concern is for those that are unfamiliar with TeamBuy who may get a negative impression. If you are new to the site or haven’t had the chance to experience a TeamBuy deal and are concerned, you can contact us directly, contact any of our partner merchants, ask a question on our discussion board, make a post on our Facebook Fanpage.. Anything to put your concerns to rest.
We are a legitimate Company backed by a reputable team that includes a top notch Board of Advisors. Notable members being Professor Pliniussen of Queens University, Derek Szeto of Redflagdeals and Clearsky Media, Zak Muscovitch of the Muscovitch law firm.
We were just featured on Rogers TV and several other news outlets that have all done their own research and before making any conclusions I ask you do the same. Come out to one of our events, ask people that have participated in TeamBuys, and when reading through the commentary, please do take anonymous posts with a grain of salt.
Thanks!
Buyers Unite!
Mat replying to a comment from Harold / April 17, 2010 at 11:51 am
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I very clearly outlined that I was both a featured business and a consumer with teambuy. I have no idea of their "innerworkings" but I can tell you that when I first heard about it last fall that I thought it was a neat and exciting business, and I contact them to have the business featured.

Also, thanks for posting that article... you know the one that was also posted in this article as well?

Mat Dwyer
PhotoScanning.ca
Derek / April 17, 2010 at 05:17 pm
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Wow. Mat seems a bit touchy..lol
Zach Swan / April 22, 2010 at 08:53 am
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Interesting. 95% of the comments on this article seem to be veiled advertisements or comments intended to knock competitors, which tells me that most, if not all, of the posts are by employees or owners of these companies pretending to be 'regular folk.'
Jason / April 26, 2010 at 05:54 am
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As a business owner (www.torontourbanadventures.com) with a Toronto Groupon coming out soon, I'm excited to see what the response is like. I'm not thrilled about the large cut Groupon takes, especially after having to offer a crazy deal (50% off or more), but if it brings us new customers, I attribute it to marketing costs.
Jason / June 11, 2010 at 12:45 pm
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Update on my Groupon deal - I sold 509 tickets for the "Beer Makes History Better" tour. I was impressed.
jtago / October 1, 2010 at 08:23 am
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Great news! TeamBuy and GroupOn has been successful in their business on selling deals. There is also a website that lists a variety of deals sites, which includes GroupOn and Teambuy - www.GroupBuyUnited.com
June / December 21, 2010 at 12:07 am
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Does anyone have any feedback on www.DealTicker.ca? They seem to have really good discounts, and actually go up to 95% off. Anyone bought anything there?
Marcelo / December 29, 2010 at 08:10 pm
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I can honestly say that the number of buys was given to me, and it corresponded with the number of buys that was shown. The only discrepancies occurred when there was a few refunds during the second instance of my business being featured. <a href="It is good! <a href="http://idescontos.com.br/viewforum.php?f=13";>Compras Coletivas</a>">Compras Coletivas</a>
RMussa / March 8, 2011 at 12:26 am
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Very interesting. in Brazil we have many shopping sites such as collective PegaCupom (in English: catch or get coupon) PegaCupom.com.br which is one of the best in the country. It is worth visiting. I liked the post. a big hug!
JackSaver / May 29, 2011 at 01:34 pm
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There are a lot of these deal sites popping up in the Toronto market. Recently I have used WagJag and JustTheBestDeal. In both cases coupons and redemption worked well. No problem. Besides, who doesn't like to save money?
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John / January 13, 2012 at 04:23 pm
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TEAMBUY is the worst of the worst. They scam their customers and don't respond to emails. Just search google and you'll see how they treat their customers. I'm still waiting to receive my mattress after 5 months since I placed my order and they don't care about helping me.


I HATE TEAMBUY SCAMS
Lisa / February 5, 2012 at 07:13 pm
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I am running an ad on team but right now, I must say they are terrible!! I have people calling me asking why their buy is still pending on the buy! not my problem, I have called team buy.. nothing, I have emailed still nothing. I really just want to pull my ad!! very unprofessional and they really don't give a crap about their customers or merchants. I would not recommend team buy to anyone!!

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