Toronto.com - The Decline of Toronto's Web King

  • Posted by Tim
  • Filed in Tech
  • February 12, 2008

Toronto.com
Toronto.com is celebrating its ten year anniversary, or so enthuses a press release which arrived in my inbox this morning. Aahh, Toronto.com. What fun would we have if we didn't have a site like you to kick around? In fact, part of the reason we started blogTO way back in 2004 was because of the general consensus that existing Toronto web sites sucked - with Toronto.com the most annoying culprit of the bunch.

So with its tenth anniversary upon us we thought it might be fun to take a closer look at Toronto.com. Despite all its detractors it's still the elephant in the room. It gets more traffic than any other site covering Toronto culture, restaurants and events. The site claimed to reach 1 million unique users in January which would put it ahead of Now Magazine followed by dine.to, Martini Boys, blogTO, Torontoist, Torontolife.com and Eye Weekly.

But despite its success, longevity and prized domain name all is not well in Toronto.com land. A quick peak at the chart above (yes, that's declining web traffic) tells the beginning of the story.

Last Spring, when traditional media finally started taking the emergence of blogs and social media more seriously, and trends like web 2.0 had begun to cement themselves as more than passing fads, I received a call from a local head hunter asking me to interview for the position of General Manager at Toronto.com.

Toronto.com was broken and needed fixing, he admitted. Everyone knew it. Toronto.com knew it. Parent Torstar Media (also owner of the Toronto Star) knew it. The higher-ups wanted to put a new team in place that would make the site more interesting and relevant in today's ever-changing online landscape.

For the record, I agreed to meet with representatives from Torstar Digital but declined to be formally interviewed or considered for the position. Weeks later they announced they were filling the position internally - Candice Faktor would be the new GM - a nice endorsement for Ms. Faktor but not exactly a sign of embracing new ideas and energy from those not already indoctrinated in the Toronto.com culture.

Toronto.com web site

Over the course of the summer Toronto.com then started rolling out some new changes. First there was the new site design - a clear statement that the new team was embracing the aesthetics of web 2.0. I say aesthetics because I'm referring to the look of the site only. Beyond a new vibrant colour scheme, some glossy buttons and rounded corners, the site failed to embrace the principles of web 2.0 - openness, community and collaboration.

Looking at Toronto.com today there's no linking out - an old school way of thinking (Hi Eye Weekly and Now Magazine!) that you insult your readers' intelligence and pretend that no other sites or competitive information sources exist. You never link to other sites, never mention the competition and do whatever you can to prevent readers from leaving your site and exploring the vast wonders of the Internet.

Toronto.com

Smart strategy? The numbers likely tell the story here. As indicated in the above charts, both page views and reach have been declining for some time. (The charts above show a three year time frame). In my discussions with media planners (folks who buy online ads on behalf of large advertisers) they continue to be disgruntled with the site. It's too expensive and doesn't perform well - but they often still buy ads on it because it remains the largest site in Toronto and their clients ask for it. (I'll ignore for now the possibility they might be influenced by free gifts and Leafs tickets)

There have also been a number of missteps in launching and integrating partner sites. By now, visitors to Toronto.com and The Toronto Star's web site will likely have noticed the integration of something called Our Faves. It's a bit of a hapless site where they ask readers to create a profile and a list of their favourite places in the city.

We've spent about a million dollars less on a Facebook application that does something similar. And guess what, it has more users. Their most popular restaurant - Burrito Boyz - has only 71 faves compared to 161 - for Salad King - on blogTO's Toronto Faves Facebook Application.

So what's next for Toronto.com? Is there a magical prescription to cure what ails them? For starters, it will likely take more than hiring a new Managing Editor (Rob Maurin). The writing continues to be formulaic and safe with recent features on March Break activities and Valentine's Day Singles Events as examples A and B. It will require a new approach (let's start with user comments and linking out) that embraces the way all of us like to experience the web.

If gossip that floats around Toronto web circles is accurate, Toronto.com is still losing money. For a web site with the default city domain name, ten years under their belt and the financial support of one of the largest media conglomerates in North America that's a champagne celebration short of inexcusable. But, hey, since it's an anniversary and we don't want to spoil the party - here's to you Toronto.com.

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I've always wondered how Alexa gets its data, and how accurate it is. Any ideas?

Posted by: Jerrold at February 12, 2008 1:23 PM

Alexa isn't perfect but is generally regarded as being pretty good at tracking trends and relative popularity between sites. More info is available here:

http://alexa.com/site/help/traffic_learn_more

Posted by: Tim at February 12, 2008 1:27 PM

I think Alexa extrapolates its stats from data they get back from people who use the Alexa toolbar. I'm not sure that's really an accurate representation of actual viewers but the trends those stats show over time probably have some validity... at least amongst the kind of people that install adware on their browsers.

Posted by: Miles at February 12, 2008 1:33 PM

I was shocked to hear that some of my friends still use Toronto.com for movie listings. I can barely stand to see the site load let alone try and find information on it. Yuck.

Posted by: Chris at February 12, 2008 1:35 PM

Alexa is notoriously inaccurate and has very little credibility among trend trackers and data analysts. It's a horrible tool to base site analytics on. And yes, it's opt-in only tracks those that install its toolbar.

Posted by: Marc at February 12, 2008 1:38 PM

...that doesn't mean that Toronto.com isn't hideous, hard to navigate, and barely useful, however.

Posted by: Marc at February 12, 2008 1:40 PM

I find that toronto.ctv.ca is pretty good.

Posted by: Joe at February 12, 2008 1:49 PM

My usage of Toronto.com ended during it's horrendous re-design around 2002/3. I even sent multiple emails to the webmaster complaining about the lack of usability, only to have the response be a default "We hope you appreciate the new re-design" type of message. It's an eyesore and really disappointing as a portal for the city.

Posted by: Danielle at February 12, 2008 1:52 PM

Well, now you know where the awful web architecture for the new Eye Weekly site came from. They had one of the best archives in Toronto, and the layout was basic, kind of old, but usable. Now I can't even find what I'm looking for in the current issue.

Posted by: Bad Web at February 12, 2008 2:42 PM

Interesting article but I agree that Alexa is not accurate at all. Especially given adware blocking systems now in place and most newer anti-virus softwares will delete it.

You also failed to mention two other local sites that ARE high in traffic and proven to be higher than NOW Magazine and others on your list. Torontostar.com is actually first - followed by TORONTO.COM and then MENUPALACE.COM (not sure why Menupalace has the numbers - I strongly dislike their site), then DINE.TO and then STREETS.TO and finally NOWTORONTO.COM - all of which have numbers in the millions of unique page views monthly. Being in the ad purchasing industry, I have seen all of the sites you listed, plus the ones I added above, and their media kits and tracking on-line aside from Alexa.

Just thought it was important to add that info to your posting. I will agree, however, that Toronto.com is infamous with working alone and will not allow other local sites to promote on its site if it is seen as competition. That is a biased approach ... just as showing an Alexa chart comparing your traffic to theirs ... while having some inaccurate and highly arguable information posted within. Just the facts.

Posted by: Tricia at February 12, 2008 3:23 PM

Terrible website, Toronto.com, but at least when they have i.e. an article on real estate it isn't written by a fist pumping real estate agent saying "buy now! toronto market expands forever!"

"Web 2.0" or not, sometimes it pays to have paid professional writers and proper editing.

Posted by: Ryan at February 12, 2008 3:27 PM

Alexa isn't perfect, but neither is Comscore - the source most relied on in the industry. In fact, many feel Alexa is more reliable than Comscore.

As far as other sites, the only reason menupalace.com ranks high is because it is an international site - and it wasn't included in the list for that reason. Streets.to barely registers so not sure where you got your data.

Posted by: Tim at February 12, 2008 3:35 PM

streets.to is about as useful as the yellow pages printed guide, only prettier and slower

Posted by: Jerrold at February 12, 2008 4:37 PM

I agree that Alexa is not accurate..but for the most part this article hit the "nail on the head" as I indicated on my blog

Empower Users

Users are central if not the most important element to the success of online social networks. However, some website developers and marketers view otherwise and consider the technology as the ?King of the Hill?. Getting over the cliff require waking up to reality that an overnight success can possible become a dismal failure. Empowering users will go a far way in resolving issues such as privacy and spam. The benefits of using these online social networks should be clearly demonstrated.

Posted by: mysocialgear.com at February 12, 2008 5:15 PM

I used to use Toronto.com heavily back in its early years, when the various CitySearch sites were really the best compendium of event and restaurant listings for any city that was lucky enough to have one. (Toronto.com is a CitySearch site, just no longer explicitly branded as such.) I'll bet that all CitySearch sites have lost traffic share in similar fashion as newer, better competition has evolved. I almost never use newyork.citysearch.com anymore - Google Maps, sheckys.com and menupages.com took care of that.

I'm not sure what Toronto.com should do to become more relevant; it's a tough puzzle.

Posted by: uSkyscraper at February 12, 2008 5:26 PM

I had honestly forgotten that Toronto.Com existed until reading this.

Oh Happy Birthday!

Posted by: Jason Paris at February 12, 2008 5:52 PM

What about toronto.ibegin.com?

Posted by: Sergei at February 12, 2008 6:29 PM

Remember before the internet, when people would call the Toronto Star's StarPhone or whatever it was called to get sports scores and horoscopes? ELL OH ELL

Posted by: Chris Orbz at February 12, 2008 8:20 PM

Wow. I too had forgotten about Toronto.com. The only thing I used it for when I was still living in Toronto was to look up film start times (and even that was a pain in the ass).

Since moving abroad, I get the vast majority of my Toronto news from BlogTo, Torontoist and Spacing Wire...

Posted by: Steve at February 12, 2008 8:32 PM

there's definitely no shortage of modesty here...

Posted by: Jeff at February 13, 2008 12:02 AM

I rediscovered toronto.com a month or two ago when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do for the weekend. WOW, it's like going back in time. It's terrible! I was surprised it was still operating considering how useless it was when I tried to use it.

Posted by: dddd at February 13, 2008 1:01 AM

I write for NOW and link ad nauseum. That's right. To the point of barfing.

Posted by: NOW writer who plays well with others at February 13, 2008 10:00 AM

And while everyone's in a clarifyin' kinda mood... Eye Weekly's daily content (found in the This Just In section) is linked up like a golf course, yo.

Posted by: Eye Guy at February 13, 2008 4:13 PM

Toronto.com movie listings were always bad--and seemed to get worse. But, why did eye.net also decide to change theirs to be slow and complicated?

Posted by: bort at February 21, 2008 4:49 PM

If I ever start a Toronto website, it'll be with the .to domain extension. It actually belongs to the Kingdom of Tonga!

Posted by: A.R. at February 24, 2008 10:59 PM

It loads slow, and I think it's definetly time for a facelift...

>>Want to see a cool website?

check out lovethatinterior.com, they have a pretty attractive give away this summer!

Posted by: Sam Berman at March 2, 2008 10:11 PM

Comscore shows Toronto.com uniques growing from around 500K uniques in Nov 2006 to around 700K for the last six months.

Sure, Comscore has measurement issues, but this story does seem to be hopelessly slanted.

Mainstream media has baises, too, but they're generally more artful at giving them some smack of legitimacy.

Posted by: Can't Say at March 11, 2008 2:47 PM

I guess we can debate Alexa versus Comscore stats forever. Might be helpful if the Toronto.com folks chimed in to reveal their actual traffic month over month to put the debate to rest.

Posted by: tim at March 13, 2008 10:10 AM

Great article, really enjoyed it, very well written.

Quick question/comment: am I the only one who can not get off the Menupalace.com Mailing list, I never signed up for their almost daily newsletter, but keep getting them to my private email and work email..

Posted by: Thom at May 16, 2008 9:40 PM

According to Google Trends, Alexa is way off. Although Google doesn't provide any actual numbers, it is clear to see that Toronto.com has slightly dropped, but compared to the other *popular toronto sites it is clearly over-towering them.
http://trends.google.com/websites?q=blogto.com%2C+toronto.com%2C+torontolife.com%2C+dine.to%2C+eyeweekly.com&geo=all&date=all&sort=1
(*eyeweekly.com, torontolife.com, dine.to, blog.to)

Posted by: JimB at July 28, 2008 10:19 PM

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