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MLSE Keeping Toronto Raptors Fans in the Dark

Posted by Guest Contributor / December 13, 2008

raptors tv fiascoMLSE (the owners of the Raptors, Leafs, TFC , and the Marlies) have rewarded TSN the rights to broadcast 48 Raptors games, 25 of which will end up on TSN2 - a channel accessible to only Bell TV and Star Choice subscribers in Toronto, and not Rogers. As a result, many Toronto basketball fans have been left in the dark, unable to watch their beloved Raptors on TV.

On the surface this seems fine, but the problem here is that the majority of Raptor supporters in the Toronto area will be unable to watch these games. The very people that pay to go to the ACC, and support the team can't watch at home? How can this happen?

One of circulating theories out there has been that the takeover bid of BCE (Bell Canada Enterprises) by the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan (a majority stake holder in MLSE) could benefit from this move because Rogers is the main competitor of BCE. But with this week's news that the OTPP takeover of BCE is officially dead pretty much silences this theory.

Other public opinion suggests that TSN has simply tried to force Rogers' hand. By putting these games on TSN2 they knew full well that the public would pressure Rogers into eventually offering the channel.

To date, fans have only missed one game, but come December 15th (when the Raps take on Vince Carter and the New Jersey Nets again), we'll be looking frantically for a nearby sports bar that has TSN2. Anyone know of any sports bars downtown that will be showing the game? I don't really feel like calling bars and asking them which cable services they're subscribed to.

Whatever the reason for this debaucle is, MLSE (if they cared about there fans at all) must pressure the two sides into working out a deal by Monday. I can't help but feel if this TV standoff were affecting the broadcasting of the Leafs, Torontonians wouldn't stand for it, and it would be quickly remedied. MLSE would never allow 25 Leaf games to air without their core audience able to watch.

We are told that TSN and Rogers cable are in talks... but why the holdup? All other major cable providers in Ontario have picked up TSN2. We want to watch our Raptors!

Written by guest contributor NickT.
Photo by jPile.

Discussion

23 Comments

babo / December 13, 2008 at 01:41 pm
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I wonder why the raptors aren't doing anything about this. does anyone have inside scoop as to what they think about this issue?
Cullen / December 13, 2008 at 01:43 pm
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I'm really surprised this whole thing hasn't been resolved yet. They've had like 5 weeks since the season started to sort this out! In the meantime, my suggestion is to turn to the internet for a streaming channel.

Just do a search on www.Justin.tv and you're almost guaranteed to find the channel being broadcast by someone. Maybe not the best quality, usually slightly better than YouTube, but it beats listening on the radio only!
Jerrold / December 13, 2008 at 01:50 pm
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So if you live in the outskirts (like Whitby or Oakville) you can watch the games, but here in the city they're blacked out? That's not cool.
Jerrold / December 13, 2008 at 01:58 pm
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Folks on the <a href="http://twitter.com/blogto";>blogTO Twitter</a> are saying that there are a few places you can catch the game on Monday night:

Wayne Gretzky's On Blue Jays Way
Hoops @ Yonge and Carlton
Jack Astors @ Front and University
craptorkiller / December 13, 2008 at 03:51 pm
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Call, email..complain....mostly to TSN, since it was THEIR money grab that changed the landscape in the first place.
Rogers is not affiliated with the Raptors....it is the stupidity and greed of TSN (owned by CTVGlobeMedia...which is a part owner of MLSE!!!) that has caused this.
Remember that D Smith of the Star is a f*cking idiot when he says it is mostly Rogers at fault. They are scum...but in THIS case, it is TSN, MLSE and CTVGlobeMedia. Make sure they know how pissed off you are!!
Nihir replying to a comment from babo / December 13, 2008 at 05:29 pm
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The reason the Raptors/MLSE doesn't do anything now is because they signed a contract with TSN. While they share blame, they can't do anything about it now.

What I don't understand is why these games aren't replayed on Raptors TV.
matty / December 14, 2008 at 12:18 am
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don't forget: the grey cup used to be avail on CBC. A simple basic cable channel. This year? Avail only if you pay for the package that gets you tsn. Another money grab. Why not air the game on CTV. The NATIONAL and basic cable channel?

I am not such a hardcore raps fan that I would be sad missing these games, but the fact that tsn goes about their business with nothing in mind other than more money make me feed like a pretty big consumer sucker. If it were up to me I would shut down tsn2 (WHICH WAS AVAIL FREE BEFORE AS AN ALTERNATE TSN FEED). Since when do we need sequels for television stations anyways?

oh and they also put all their penguins games on tsn2. hoping that people will buy tsn2 for a chance to watch sidney crosby play. It's deplorable and despicable and there is really nothing much we can do but complain.
mr. hood / December 14, 2008 at 02:30 am
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fynn's of temple bar carries these games, as they have express vu

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416-586-1331
Alex G / December 14, 2008 at 11:18 am
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For as long as you want to watch it more than they want to show it to you, they basically own your ass and your wallets, so please, bend over and lube it up.

They know they have your money up front no matter what they do, season ticket holders are especially a dead voice. Once the customer has given up money with no chance of refund, the customer care is exactly zero. If you want something done - chill, stop buying their worthless merchandise, go hang out with friends at a restaurant instead of a game, etc...
mike-- / December 14, 2008 at 12:21 pm
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the thing with Rogers is that TSN is not offered in their basic digital package (even though NFL Network and Rogers Sportsnet are). to get TSN you have to upgrade to the "VIP" package, for some odd reason.

i think the real problem here is Rogers. it has a stranglehold on the Cable TV market in this fair city and it will do whatever it wants because in many places where satellite dishes are banned, you have no other choice but to go to Rogers.

An interesting option right now for Leafs fans is to purchase a LeafsTV Interactive subscription online, which streams nearly every single Leafs game (except the CBC broadcasts). This includes, TSN, Sportsnet, and LeafsTV. Subscriptions were going for $50 at the start of the year. Quality isn't as good as TV, but it is acceptable and has improved a lot over last year. I don't know if the Raptors have an equivalent to LTI, but something to look out for.
uSkyscraper replying to a comment from mike-- / December 14, 2008 at 10:04 pm
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This kind of thing is not exactly novel. See the Great Cablevision-YES Conflict of 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YES_Network#Controversy), or the War of Comcast-NFL of 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Network#Distribution_controversy).

The only twist here is that this concerns a third party that has no stake in the team (TSN) rather than, say if this was Raptors TV. In the end, it's still all about the sports teams trying to demand big cable bucks, which results in putting the games on an extra-tier package, which results in cries from viewers to move that channel to the basic package. Ergo, sports teams maintain viewers and pocket the sweet lucre and viewers never seem to wonder why their basic cable bill just went up.

MLSE and TSN know exactly what they are doing here - end result will be TSN2 on basic cable.
Dave / December 15, 2008 at 09:09 am
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Why do we even need so many sports channels such Sportsnet, T$N, T$N2, The Score...there is only so much poker, darts and spelling bees that I can watch before I retch...ugh!
miguel / December 15, 2008 at 09:13 am
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you have a couple of alternatives. you can watch it streaming online, or you can watch it on "raptors game in an hour". while neither are perfect options, i will continue to use these alternatives even if tsn2 were available on rogers. you can bet they will charge to subscribe to that channel.

also, i think tonight's game will be replayed at midnight in full.
Ben replying to a comment from Dave / December 15, 2008 at 02:26 pm
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You forgot to mention curling...ugh also!
ken replying to a comment from babo / December 15, 2008 at 04:01 pm
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Instead of investing, improving and expanding the capability of their own Raptors channel- which in my opinion should carry most of the raptors games anyways- the MLSE have made a deal with TSN2. Rogers, on the other hand, a ridiculus company who's "proudly sponsoring the raptors" refuses to carry tsn2 because they're busy lining their pockets instead of taking care of their customers.
As a result, the poor fans are left out in the cold. Thank god for the internet and P2P websites...
Nick T replying to a comment from Cullen / December 16, 2008 at 08:57 am
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Thanks for the tip. I watched the game on WWW.justin.tv and it worked great.
Drew / December 18, 2008 at 03:50 pm
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Just to let you people know...My name is Drew and I am organizing a protest at Rogers Headquarters on next Tuesday December 23rd at 7am at Bloor and Jarvis streets in Toronto. We will show this big money grabbing conglomerates who's the boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell all your friends...Raptor fans...basketball fans and sports fans. I've had enough of this crap! Time to stand up for our rights!
jen / December 18, 2008 at 04:43 pm
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The only way to show them "who's the boss" is to stop being a Rogers customer. Otherwise they're laughing.
prakash / December 19, 2008 at 07:49 pm
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Raptors, Rogers and TSN...get this #$%* fixed. This is getting to the point where you are all starting to look like clowns with your heads up your ass.

I have been a very patient a loyal customer of all three of these companies, but now I feel like they're all telling me to go away.

A very frustrated angry customer.
Wrath / December 19, 2008 at 09:00 pm
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This is beyond ridiculous. How have we let our team fall into the hands of money grubbing media stooges who don't know a single thing about the sport, let alone the emotional (NOT THE FINANCIAL)dedication we the fans have for our beloved club and respectfully expect returned. I can handle the poor performance on the court, but somehow being deprived of watching the beatings makes me feel helpless. TSN2, MAPLE LEAF SPORTS, BELL, ROGERS. You have formed a coalition of greed and ignorance. You all deserve a televised ass kicking
ALLAN AMAZING / December 28, 2008 at 10:10 am
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To hell with the MLSE and TSN2...they are garbage people. they are mofo's! Richard peddie is a money hungry slut!
Hooped Up / January 17, 2009 at 07:32 pm
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American networks work hard to screw each other and the Canadaian ones work hard to screw viewers.

Free-to-air is the only way to fight back.
Russ / February 28, 2009 at 02:06 pm
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Let's start a boycott. We will not buy from Anyone who advertises during a Raptors game on TSN2

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