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WTF? Ramage Found Guilty

Posted by Tim / October 10, 2007

20071010_rob_ramage.jpgEx-Maple Leaf captain Rob Ramage was found guilty today of five charges, including being criminally responsible for causing the death of his friend and former Chicago Blackhawks defenceman Keith Magnuson.

Now I have to admit I wasn't in the court room for even one second during the trial. Heck, I haven't been to Newmarket (where the trial was being held) for more than a year. But I have been paying close attention to mainstream media coverage of the trial and if the jury heard the same evidence that I've been getting, it's amazing that pigs aren't flying in the sky today after their verdict was announced.

The Star has a decent roundup today of the evidence presented, and while the reporter (Bob Mitchell) doesn't come out and say it, if you read between the lines he sounds just as surprised at today's outcome.

Here are two of the more important pieces of evidence and arguments the jury had to consider:

1. Tests showed that Ramage had at least two and a half and perhaps nearly four times the legal limit of alcohol in his blood and urine at the time of the collision. Ramage's lawyer, however, suggested these were flawed as a nurse admitted using an alcohol swab and not an approved non-alcohol kit to draw Ramage's blood and urine samples.

2. Nobody saw Ramage with more than a glass of wine and possibly a bottle of beer at the reception before the crash. Yet a toxicologist testified that a person the size and weight of Ramage would have had to consume 15 to 22 beers in the four to five hours he spent at the reception to produce the alcohol level readings between 229 and 292 that the tests showed.

Before the jury started deliberating, the judge was very clear to instruct them that the onus was on the prosecution to prove guilt (meaning, that he was drunk at the time of the accident) rather on the defense to prove his sobriety.

So, what evidence did they possibly agree on that resulted in their decision to convict? And perhaps more importantly, who exactly benefits from a conviction?

Discussion

14 Comments

Jerrold / October 10, 2007 at 07:12 pm
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I think the idea is that you and I and anyone else that uses our streets benefit from a conviction.
Woo Camley / October 10, 2007 at 07:20 pm
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> I think the idea is that you and I and anyone else that uses our streets benefit from a conviction.

And who are you voting for in today's election, the Ontario fascist party?
Jerrold / October 10, 2007 at 07:29 pm
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Woo Camley: I was responding to Tim's second question.

I can't make any guesses about Ramage's guilt/innocence (Tim's first question), but when anyone is convicted of drunk driving causing death, the public benefits from a conviction (Tim's second question). Now, if Ramage is actually not-guilty, then the conviction really sucks and far mroe people suffer than benefit (obviously).
Matt / October 10, 2007 at 07:33 pm
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I agree with you, Jerrold, and I'm fairly surprised here at the verdict. But then, the justice system often gets hanged on minutiae beyond the scope of what was presented here. Do we know what else happened in the courtroom?
Baffled / October 10, 2007 at 07:36 pm
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I am baffled by this verdict...reasonable doubt apparently had no meaning to this jury- If Ramage drank as much as the tests concluded he would have been visibly intoxicated-stinking drunk in fact- and yet there were 300 people at the funeral he attended who said he was sober. In addition it would appear that the tests were flawed- in that they were not properly taken or properly stored (some were in a cops pocket for 9 hrs)..there was also no evidence -as the judge pointed out- that he had driven wrecklessly or had been drinking....there was also some question to the mechanical condition of the rental car..reasonable doubt?- yeah I think so! I just don't get it!!
Jerrold / October 10, 2007 at 07:41 pm
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I've heard that sentencing is scheduled for January... any word on an appeal to the conviction?
Baffled / October 10, 2007 at 08:02 pm
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I think it's too early to speculate on an appeal- typically it has to be a procedural error...apparently both sides had some concerns with the judge's jury instruction- which lasted for 5 hrs-so there may be something there as grounds for an appeal- but at this point it's hard to say...
Jerrold / October 10, 2007 at 08:05 pm
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So where's the "Free Rob Ramage" Facebook group link?
Anon / October 11, 2007 at 09:12 am
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Ramage was videotaped buying a six-pack of beer earlier that day. If you buy a six-pack before going to a funeral, it's probably because you plan to drink it.

I think the jury came to the conclusion that:

--tests showed he had been drinking a lot
--videotape showed he had been drinking at least a little
--people testified he had been drinking at least a little

Probably the conclusion is, he had been drinking a lot. It's not unreasonable at all.
Ry C / October 11, 2007 at 09:39 am
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By all accounts he was, at the very least, drinking and driving. Regardless of how much he was drinking he was breaking the law. If it were just an average joe with the same amount of "evidence" against him a jury likely would have given the same verdict, so I'm glad that the legal system didn't hold a local sports darling to a lower standard.
Jerrold / October 11, 2007 at 09:44 am
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Ry C, drinking and driving is not against the law. Driving with a blood alcohol level over 0.08% is againsts the law. For a guy Ramage's size, this probably means that he can have a few and still drive legally and without being impaired in any way.
Diane / October 11, 2007 at 10:38 am
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Unfortunately, juries aren't very smart at all.

Because drunk driving is such a sensationalized issue, especially when resulting in death, the jury feels that SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY, and the accused is the most likely candidate, guilty or not.

Same goes for child sex offenses, where a mere accusation virtually guarantees a jury conviction.

Police and prosecutors know this effect well, and will sometimes inflate charges (e.g. from speeding to "street racing") to ensure a jury conviction.
Val / October 11, 2007 at 08:24 pm
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Hey, at the end of the stroy someone did get kill, someone was driving that car. Just turn the tables around, if he was the one that had died in the crash, then EVRYONE would want someone to get convicted, because he was a super star. It's not because his a hockey player that he has more rights then anyone else, or any other sports player. Anyway I think everything happen for a reason. No one knowns the real story only him. The alcool test, is the test. You can really fight that. I lost people (friends) with drunk driving and every one shouldn't do it, but no one can stop them... I'm only 21 years old and my father drink, he got stop, and I hope he gets a good sentence (for him to understant that its not right).
Causing death is even more serious. The most he can do is a life sentence, but he can also just serve a minimum of 2 or 3 years, that really not a lot for someone that killed a person. Yeah maybe it wasn't his fault, but did someone put a drink in his hands, and force him to drink over the limit.... NO, he did that on his own, he deserved what he got. Sorry for the fans!!!!!
Terri / December 8, 2007 at 08:46 pm
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If you're ever accused of a serious crime, think seriously about waiving your right to a jury trial unless you have 20 police officers, a couple of priests, a rabbi, and maybe the members of a church choir to testify you weren't at the crime scene. I served on a jury and during deliberations, every single person who voted to convict admitted the prosecution hadn't proved its case but wanted to convict "just in case" the guy was guilty. It was unbelievable. They said things like "he wouldn't have been arrested if he wasn't guilty." After 3 days it was a hung jury. Eleven guilty votes, two not guilty.

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