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Posted by Derek Flack / June 1, 2014

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snugglepuff / June 1, 2014 at 06:20 pm
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it is getting a little out of hand, isn't it.
nicdees / June 1, 2014 at 07:29 pm
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You would think so. But the sad thing is they haven't even gotten started yet. Unless people get together and stop the developers they will keep building more buildings and bigger buildings until the city beneath them crumbles to a halt.
George / June 1, 2014 at 08:17 pm
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It's a sign of a good economy. So many jobs in the construction industry so many tax dollars. The city of Toronto is the mecca of economic growth .
yuck / June 1, 2014 at 08:27 pm
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Ew.
NotRobFord / June 1, 2014 at 09:10 pm
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Love it
Stu / June 1, 2014 at 09:22 pm
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Condos will be the death of the city.
Curious_Urbanist / June 1, 2014 at 09:28 pm
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Friends, this is what sustainable growth looks like- it's building up rather than out.
A primary goal of our city's Official Plan policies as directed by the Province's PPS and Places To Grow Act is to combat suburban style growth, and so this is how the City is conforming. According to these plans and policies, this area along with Yonge/Eglinton, Scarborough Town Centre, and Etobicoke Civic Centre are designated growth hubs in the GTHA.

So expect this kind of growth. It's not happening without the expertise of Urban Planners and Policy makers. This trend is expected to contunue as Toronto's population is expected to grow by 160,000 over the next 10 years with just as many new condo or apartment units aded. As the City of Toronto plans to continue building vertically however, it must ensure that its urban parks, plazas and squares are accessible. This will require strong negotiations with the City's Planning Division to secure new open spaces through Section 37 agreements.
VERTICAL GROWTH / June 1, 2014 at 09:32 pm
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I hope the spaces around these buildings will be used right. B/c public space will become crucial.
Vanessa / June 1, 2014 at 09:34 pm
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Looks like prime real-estate to me.
BumbleEm / June 1, 2014 at 09:41 pm
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Take it from a lifelong resident now living in one of those condos: it's alright except for:

- the lack of large, public green spaces (it's all dinky little "parkettes"
- the overcrowding of schools
- the goddamned traffic

And while it is great that it's curbing suburban sprawl, don't think those developers don't basically OWN the city. Just look at the condos going up in the Gibson House park now. That used to be a rose garden with public art.
Bystander Effect replying to a comment from BumbleEm / June 1, 2014 at 10:05 pm
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But aren't the Gibson developers replacing the garden on the east side of the development? I think it will be even larger than the original. I know that is not the same as keeping the previous park intact, but seems at least to be an effort at compromise. They also left a bit of the historic "park" out front on the corner.
kbella / June 1, 2014 at 11:40 pm
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Infrastructure in the area is not keeping pace with development. The platform at Sheppard subway most mornings is begining to look like the Bloor Yonge interchange, good luck getting on at Eglington. My local park/parkette already has the beginnings of a dust bowl due to the population pressure. Antisocial behaviour is already on the increase.
Andrew replying to a comment from George / June 2, 2014 at 01:45 am
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Exactly! It's a good thing.
joe / June 2, 2014 at 02:03 am
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I love it! Toronto is growing beautifully
tommy / June 2, 2014 at 11:14 am
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There is no reason other than greed that this kind of development can't be spread out more. There are plenty of intersections in Toronto worthy of condo development, but they aren't as sexy as a subway interchange, even if one of the subways lines is effectively useless.

If we want subways snaking through the entire city, we've got to build density in other areas.
Tom / June 2, 2014 at 11:23 am
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This is what happens when you build a new subway line, so those of you in Scarborough be careful what you wish for.

tommy replying to a comment from Tom / June 2, 2014 at 03:43 pm
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We can only hope. More Scarborough density is the only way we'll be able to pay for that white elephant. Expropriation time.
Seriously? replying to a comment from tommy / June 2, 2014 at 08:06 pm
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OF COURSE WE SHOULD BE BUILDING NEAR SUBWAY LINES. The more people the better!
Come on that's simple economics.
Put simply, Density is required to sustain public transportation.
Seriously? replying to a comment from tommy / June 2, 2014 at 08:14 pm
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Oh and buddy this is a designated growth area in our provincial plans, so this should be no surprise to you. Do your research- There are other designated areas in the GTA that ARE receiving a fair share of the growth.

If you're wondering what makes this intersection a more desirable one to developers and home buyers, you might consider that there is a major highway just south of it.

Seriously? replying to a comment from tommy / June 2, 2014 at 08:17 pm
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And how wonderful would it be if we could wipe out the suburban subdivisions in Scarborough and Etobicoke..Unfortunately that's far out of the realm of possibilities for the City.
tommy replying to a comment from Seriously? / June 2, 2014 at 10:33 pm
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Of course density is required, but it's a chicken versus egg problem. What should come first, the density or the transit? When we built the Sheppard line, we planned for condos to spring up and people would use the subway. Instead, >10 years on, condos built, yet we're still running under capacity, still subsidizing it at 8 dollars a ride, and we're only running 4 cars instead of the originally designed 6.

The subway is only used as a marketing bullet point for real estate agents to bloat the neighbourhood even more. Like you say, it's right next to a major highway, so luxury condo owners prefer to drive, clogging up N/S roads. Where is our return on transit-investment?! Money that should be used to support the rest of the system is wasted on Sheppard.



As for wiping out the suburban subdivisions - my point is that it's the only way to justify the Scarborough subway. It's proposed route is wasted transit capacity which can only be solved by careful rezoning to avoid another Sheppard fiasco.
Jeff / June 8, 2014 at 11:33 pm
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Tommy:

the solution to the chicken and the egg problem is that the situation will just plain stink for a while. It can stink by the subway not earning its keep like sheppard east, or it can stink by having density without sufficient transit like finch east out towards Scarborough.

Development is happening all along Sheppard. Look around Allen rd. I think we'd see people on the Sheppard line if it went anywhere, but Fairview Mall just isn't the draw it used to be. I think development is happening with an expectation that the sheppard subway will extend to the spadina line sooner rather than later.

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