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Get to Know a Chef: Zane Caplansky, Caplansky's Deli

Posted by Natalie Chu / August 13, 2012

Zane CaplanskyFor Zane Caplansky, it's not just about great food — it's "great feelings about great food" that make a restaurant. And that authenticity and comfort is exactly what this deli owner and food personality strives for in his own little corner in the city's west end. But that isn't to say his renditions of many Jewish classics aren't top notch; his smoked meat sandwich is arguably the city's best, which Caplansky spent years developing after being inspired by one of his favourites, the legendary Shwartz's.

Did you always want to be a chef?

I don't call myself a chef. To me, the term itself has a very specific connotation and I think of myself as being an important member of the food community of the city, but that doesn't qualify me as a chef. My dream had not been to be a chef or a cook, but to open a restaurant. Most of the recipes are my own, I love food and I love cooking, but to me there are different roles. When you're a great chef, it's something that requires consistency, creativity, constant technical learning and improvement, and it's an adherence to that craft that my interest has always been broader than that.

Where did you learn to cook?

My brother taught me how to make some very basic things, like tomato sauce and how to grill sausages off a stovetop when we were in university. After that, I was pretty much self-taught, I did a lot of trial and error, following recipes, making what was in the fridge. And then when I was in Australia working in the coffee shops, I would have my head in the kitchen learning from the chef as much as possible. I went to George Brown college, worked under a chef when I was in BC who taught me a lot, and worked at Lolita's last year and learned quite a bit there. But I would say it's a combination of family. I learned different dishes from different people over time.

What's the best deli you've ever been to?

The best deli I've ever been to was Switzer's deli on Spadina where King Noodle is now.
On Sundays, I would always go to Switzer's with my papa, Sam. That's that place where deli attached itself to my DNA, the place where it was about my relationship with him. It was about fries, which were our secret because my nana would never let my papa eat fries. So it was always two corned beef sandwiches, fries and two cream sodas.

The reason that I sell cream soda here is because of that experience. Were there better delis or better food someplace else? Probably. But to a little kid, to have that one-on-one time with your grandfather, someone who you just adored, that's where those memories are shaped and formed, and that's probably why I'm sitting here today.

Zane CaplanskyWhat's the secret to an amazing smoked meat sandwich?

Curing by hand is part of it. The fact that we select all the briskets, we cure them here in house, we apply our own spice rub, we smoke them here in house and we hand slice it. We go through the entire process ourselves, and that's what makes us special and that's what makes Schwartz's special as well. Corned beef that's made by a machine in some factory and that you warm up in a steamer or an oven and you put into a machine and slice it, it might have a nice flavour and it might be a great looking sandwich, but my trademark, my signature, is handmade the old-fashioned Jewish way. Kickin' it old shul, that really is what we're all about.

Zane CaplanskyHow's the food truck going? Are you still planning to launch a fleet of 'Thundering Thelmas?'

I love the food truck business, it's a great extension of what we do. There's so much potential, so much excitement, so much business to be had from these food trucks. Every weekend there's multiple festivals going on, and within a short radius of Toronto there are so many things that you could be doing. I could definitely see having four to six trucks in the Toronto area, between Mississauga, Etobicoke, Markham, Vaughn, Woodbridge, Thornhill, North York, Scarborough.

There's schools, businesses, parks, and just so much hunger for what we do. In those areas, I would like to have company owned trucks, and outside of those areas, franchised trucks. I've had inquiries from Victoria to St. John's, but I really want to make sure that it's consistent and we know what we're doing before we teach somebody else.

Beyond food trucks, what's next for you and the deli?

Back in the winter, a friend of mine had suggested that I should open a bagel shop, and it made perfect sense to me. And I had actually identified a store in Kensington Market that was available and was in intense negotiations with the landlord to take over the space. But the negotiations took three months longer than they should've. A bakery buyer for Loblaws called me and essentially placed an order for hundreds of dozens of bagels a day, without ever tasting a bagel.

And I was speeding down that track and then I realized we've worked so hard to get this place functioning properly, so hard to build a catering business, and to build a truck business. And to take your foot off the gas to learn the bakery business...maybe that isn't prudent right now.

So I kind of looked at that as a sign of maturity that maybe I'm starting to learn some of my lessons and that I'll be able to do it at the right time. My message is always the same: quality. And I don't want to do anything that's going to sacrifice the quality of this place, the catering business, the truck business. And when I put my name on a product I want people to know that it's going to be the best one they ever tasted.

Zane CaplanskyIs the deli still an endangered species? Or like barber shops, are a new wave of entrepreneurs going to ensure its survival?

David Sax wrote a book called Save the Deli that was originally supposed to be called "Death of the Deli." His publisher convinced him to change the title and the focus from the disappearance of delis to looking at the resurgence through people like myself, and a bunch of us in North America: Portland, Brooklyn, Berkeley. The Wall Street Journal wrote an article about artisanal delis as the next global food trend. I know that what we do here is really hard work. You have to have such incredible attention to detail and do it on a wire that's so high because of the volume that you're doing. It's just tough, I work six days a week and I care passionately for what I do, sometimes even too much.

What do you do for fun?

I tend to eat at other people's restaurants, usually at least four nights a week. I go to the gym a lot, love to go to live music shows, and I love dance, movies, books. I love to cook at home and with friends. And I love conversation, and learning from people. I think I love the city more than most people do. Having spent so many years traveling around the world, I have an intense appreciation for what the city has to offer. I love the multicultural opportunities that this city has, the people that you get to know, the flavours that you get to experience. And I spend my time now becoming deeply intimate with the people and the places of Toronto.

Zane CaplanskyRAPID FIRE QUESTIONS

Most underrated ingredient? Salt

Best culinary tool? Japanese knife

A chef that inspires you? Nathan Isberg

Favourite Toronto restaurant? Patrician Grill

One dish you can't live without? Hot and sour soup at Lee Garden

What would people be surprised to find in your fridge? Mango pickle

What's one food trend that needs to end? Vegetarianism

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Photos by Natta Summerky

Discussion

30 Comments

I hope this doesn't get deleted / August 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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Great article, but you didn't ask him about all of his Dinesafe violations.
Ben / August 13, 2012 at 12:31 pm
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How is vegetarianism a trend? There have been humans eating vegetarian diets since the dawn of time. I'd hardly call that a trend.

Lots of folks get butthurt that there are people in the world who choose to eat a different diet than themselves. Clearly nobody is making Zane eat veggies, so he should just stfu.
ddd / August 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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"I go to the gym a lot"

clearly
Mike replying to a comment from Ben / August 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm
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Webster's English Dictionary defines "sarcasm" as...
mikeb / August 13, 2012 at 01:09 pm
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It's David Sax
kook / August 13, 2012 at 01:13 pm
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He is a real informative guy, that Zane. I saw him presented at the Hot and Spicy Food fest.
akswun replying to a comment from Ben / August 13, 2012 at 01:38 pm
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Lots of people get butthurt over peoples opinions just because they don't share the same ones.
But oh wait... its a f'ing opinion.
tadd brackish / August 13, 2012 at 03:54 pm
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interview was a little dry....
Rick / August 13, 2012 at 04:07 pm
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Yes!! Vegetarianism needs to end (unless its part of your religion...) seems like the lack of animal proteins are causing hipsters' brains to shrink (eg. Ben).

Love this place and the Zan's attitue.

matts / August 13, 2012 at 04:42 pm
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"But the negotiations took three months longer than they should of."

SRSLY, "should of"?
JB / August 13, 2012 at 11:18 pm
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if he apparently goes to the gym he sure doesn't know what he is doing, clearly he needs to go to the gym a hell of a lot more...and become vegetarian!!
Gabe / August 14, 2012 at 12:15 am
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OK is anyone gonna talk about the actual meat served and the sandwiches or you just gonna bitch and complain about personality, look and feel?
Gabe / August 14, 2012 at 12:16 am
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A paint job or customer service don't matter so much. HOW IS THE FOOD!???
David / August 14, 2012 at 12:43 am
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Schwartz's for heaven's sake.
evan replying to a comment from David / August 14, 2012 at 03:17 am
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yeah schwartz's
pz / August 14, 2012 at 10:11 am
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Jeezus, blogTO commenters, fucking classic. SMH

Anyways, it's good food, one of the better delis in TO. Not on Schwartz's level but not many places are.
akswun / August 14, 2012 at 10:49 am
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I actually like Caplanskys over Shwartz's. But again I have never ordered a fatty from Shwartz's. But the 2 times I have ever been to Caplanskys I was blown away by their smoked meat to the point where I even thought to myself... this shit is better than Shwartz's. Maybe because I don't have Shwartz's that often. But gawt damn this stuff is crack.
brian / August 14, 2012 at 11:59 am
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i love caplansky's so much
and zane is a really great guy. and we share the same birthday! (which gets you great treatment)
Miss Kriss / August 14, 2012 at 12:08 pm
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Great food, awesome servers (even when it's packed and you know you may have to wait a bit), and Zane is one of the best friggin' characters in the city. Everyone always talks Aunties and Uncles for brunch but for my money, I'll go down the road to Caplansky's every time.
David / August 14, 2012 at 03:00 pm
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Oh man, he's gained a lot of weight since the monarch, dude is a certified BEAST now.
Cory No. 1 / August 14, 2012 at 04:08 pm
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His dumps must be RICH, full of charcuterie and fois gras and stuff
Lilian replying to a comment from matts / August 14, 2012 at 09:32 pm
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Seriously, "SRSLY"?
Pot / August 15, 2012 at 09:45 am
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Wow, just checked out dinesafe. Never eating here again. Why dont you care to keep your establishment clean?
smokedmeat / August 16, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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I've had Caplansky's smoked meat and in a word he's a light weight compared to Schwartz's or Abie's (Montreal's west island). Caplansky's smoked meat lacks the flavour and texture of the real thing. He's pretty good at promoting his deli but is seriously off the mark when it comes to the product he serves. In fact it's an insult to anyone who's had a real Montreal smokedmeat sandwich for him to compare his fare to that of Schwartz's.
Marc Bernstein / May 11, 2013 at 07:52 pm
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Typical bunch of extremely nasty bullies on Chowhound,Yelp,BlogToronto: mixture of open hostility,snobbishness,anti-semitism,behaving like a mean spirited bunch of bullies-examples: on Chowhound: "Duckdown" or "Fake Bill Clinton" AKA "Hooter Inspector", some asshole,schmuck,anti-semite and total oaf from Brampton:
calls himself "Bill Clinton"-what a joke! Taking the name of a former,world class US President. Next,Vinnie Vindimangi: another Chowhound anti-semite,jerk,and schmuck-walks into Caplansky's with his own bread-what a nonentity!
Then slanders Dr Laffa-he hopefully should get sued for defamination. more-"Ben & Izzy's": A Kosher Deli: granted they are new to the business,may have made mistakes,but the amount of unpleasant,boorish,anti-semitic,obnoxious behavior is offensive to me-I plan on going up there this Sunday,I'll see for myself-running a Kosher deli in Toronto is very hard work,I think there is a place for more delis in the city.
As regards the extreme amount of hate and anti-social,anti-semitic attitude towards Zane Caplansky and his great deli,all I can add is a quote by my late Father,former President Famous Players Theatres Jack Bernstein: "Everybody has two occupations: their own and the film business"-I simply will change this to wannabee Chowhound restaurant "Critics":
I have total disrespect for phony obnoxious Toronto Chowhound bullies like "Duckdown","Googs","Vinnie Vinimangi","Kagemusha",99 per of these Chowhound posters are either nasty,unpleasant anti-semites and snobs. Lastly: They don't or refuse to use their real names-it isn't a restaurant review,but a bunch of bullies trying to ruin a place they hate!
What do these people do for a living? Do they make income from their posts on Chowhound?
I am self-employed,I own a small CD transfer business.
I use my own name.
I have a great disdain and loathing for bullies.
Whether Chowhound,Yelp or BlogToronto.
As a learning disabled person,I have dealt with bullies and internet abuse over the years,and to me the internet is uncensored and unmoderated. Last of all,I prefer to be civilized,if you respond with respect and behave with civility,I will respond in the same way,if I see trolls or insensitive,judgemental,nasty comments from either trolls or regulars,then I will delete your answers from my emails.
Chowhound deserves to be shut down.
The Chowhound Nazis on the Toronto board are scum.
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