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Morning Brew: TTC to apologize after messy commute, skepticism over transit fees, Ikea monkey owner starts a foundation, protecting coyotes, and the Leafs' new toy

Posted by Chris Bateman / March 19, 2013

toronto concreteTTC CEO Andy Byford will issue an explanation and apology later this morning after a particularly wretched subway commute last night. A 20-minute loss of power at Dupont station and similar delays at Eglinton, Keele and Union coupled with numerous assistance alarms triggered long delays. Trains on the Yonge line were packed and moving at a crawl. Did you experience the problems?

Drivers in the 'burbs are, perhaps not surprisingly, unsure about new transit taxes and tolls floated by the Toronto Region Board of Trade. The sales, parking, and gas fees were recommended in a report yesterday. The Toronto Star went to Square One in Mississauga and found most don't want drivers to pay. Should there be better PR for transit construction?

The Ikea Monkey mom (remember her?) hopes starting a foundation will fund her battle to have her illegal pet removed from a sanctuary staffed with wildlife experts. The Darling Darwin Monkey Friends and Co. will also sell a children's book Nakhuda has written. Half the $75 tickets to the launch event have sold - buy now!

Rob Ford isn't the only one conflicting his interests. Eternal Mississauga mayor Hazel McCallion is set to go to court next month to contest allegations she failed to abide by the spirit of the law when she participated in a vote related to her son's company. Toronto's neighbour to the west has amended the wording of its laws to legislate against "the appearance of conflict."

Coun. Glenn De Baeremaeker wants to laws against people who feed coyotes in Toronto. Animal services say providing food attracts them to residential areas and reduces their natural fear of humans. The proposed rules would also ban killing coyotes.

Toronto's best minds are close to solving Dutch elm disease, the deadly virus that killed many of the city's elm trees. DNA experts at the University of Toronto have mapped the genome of Ophiostoma ulmi in the hopes of finding a cure. Elms used to make up around 12 per cent of the city's tree canopy but now that figure is closer to 4 per cent.

The reasons behind the Maple Leafs' recent ticket price hike is suddenly clear - the team just needed a new practice machine. The RapidShot, which costs $100,000, automatically passes pucks and is probably cheaper than paying an actual Maple Leaf to do the job.

Finally, the Sherbourne Street bike lanes make great parking, especially when you don't get a ticket (via Reddit user kettal).

IN BRIEF:

Chris Bateman is a staff writer at blogTO. Follow him on Twitter at @chrisbateman.

Image: "Mid Century Modernism" by Jack Landau/blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

65 Comments

iSkyscraper / March 19, 2013 at 08:44 am
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Of course suburbanites don't want to see their car-related fees pay for transit used by (in their minds) lazy immigrants in the dirty inner city who don't work hard enough to afford a house and car and ride uncomfortable buses driven by overpaid union workers. That story has been told in city after city in North America for 50 years. Shocker.

This is why Toronto needs to really study the funding fights that went into things like BART in SF (where some counties pulled out of the system over fights about taxes) and the "commuter tax" in New York and so on - there is a lot to learn.

I feel that any user-pay fee is too divisive. Better to have an overall sales or payroll tax that everyone in the GTA pays. Much easier to argue for.
James / March 19, 2013 at 08:54 am
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I'm all for increasing tax, such as the HST 1% recommendation.

I'm all for transit support in other fees, as well, just as long as those fees aren't related to my being a driver.

I don't live in the suburbs, but I drive, and I agree with the majority of people; why should drivers get a 10c/litre hike on gas, or tolls, or pay extra to park, just to support transit?

Hike property taxes, which could result in higher mortgages or higher rent. That affects everybody, no?

As has been said, have a tax or increase that affects everybody, not just drivers.
DL replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 19, 2013 at 08:54 am
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People float road tolls in this city like the 407ETR fiasco never happened. You burn a powerful voting bloc, then ask them to give you a second chance? That isn't how things work. There's a really, really big reason Dalton McGuinty was able to break every promise he ever made and still get elected three times.
the lemur / March 19, 2013 at 09:06 am
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I don't remember it being as long as 20 minutes, but the train I was on spent a long time at Union with the doors open and almost nothing in the way of information. At one point a TTC staff member came on the intercom to say 'Just an update for passengers on the Yonge-University-Spadina line [pause] Well, this is one night (trails off inexplicably)' and then nothing, and finally an update where you could tell the person on the PA was listening to someone else talking and waiting to relay the info. Ridiculous.
Jay / March 19, 2013 at 09:13 am
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I see iSkyscraper is first with his vile attack and generalization of anyone who may not live in the core. To post a faint accusation that people in the suburbs are racists and somehow against immigrants. The fact that a large immigrant population lives in the suburbs is is completely lost him/her. This just smacks of the continued elitest attitude of the socialists in the core who think of anyone outside the core a second class citizen who needs to be dictated to. Lets not try dialogue and education. Lets just call them all racist instead. You are a disgusting human being.
the lemur replying to a comment from James / March 19, 2013 at 09:27 am
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Property taxes aren't a consistent source of revenue the way that charges associated with vehicles are. Transit can, and should, be funded from other road users because funding transit makes transit more of an option, resulting in less congestion. But before we increase the tax load on owners of private vehicles, we should look at directing (more of) their expenses directly to transit (and roads in general): fuel tax, sales tax on new cars, registration fees, etc.
the lemur replying to a comment from DL / March 19, 2013 at 09:32 am
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A road toll on the user-pay principle is the kind of thing the free-market TNSTAAFL conservatives would get behind if it were their own idea. The trick is not to hand control of a toll highway to a mysterious foreign corporation that will vacuum cash out of the country, in part by charging toll fees to people who couldn't possibly have used the highway because they're actually deceased.
James replying to a comment from the lemur / March 19, 2013 at 09:32 am
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Indeed. All the extra fees one pays as a driver should be partially directed towards transit infrastructure, and I agree with you completely on that.

If they add a 10c fuel hike, implement tolls or charge an additional tax for parking, that's fine, as long as ALL of that income goes toward improvements for drivers, such as fixing roads. Yes, Toronto is already doing that, but with additional fees, they'd be able to do a lot more in the same amount of time.

And yes, if more people take transit, that will result in less congestion, which is obviously a boon to people who drive.

However, I've yet to see any concrete proof that states that those who drive will take transit if transit is improved. I've seen articles and studies from other cities, but nothing for Toronto. I'm not saying such an article doesn't exist, just that I have not seen it.
Guy replying to a comment from Jay / March 19, 2013 at 09:48 am
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You know, outing someone as a racist while simultaneously trying to smear them with the term "socialist" is kind of counter intuitive.
the lemur replying to a comment from James / March 19, 2013 at 09:52 am
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Those studies probably don't exist for Toronto because no measurements have been taken subsequent to an increase in transit funding (when was the last one of those?) and/or because much of our congestion problem cannot currently be addressed by transit because it is the result of people driving into or through the city from places where it is impossible or impractical to get here using transit.
Driver / March 19, 2013 at 10:01 am
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I am a driver and I say no to more taxes, we are already paying too many taxes. I will vote for any politician that promises not to raise or create new taxes.
Todd / March 19, 2013 at 10:05 am
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No need to drive yourselves crazy.

The amalgamated megacity does not work. It has not been working, it will continue to not work, and it won't ever work. We will not see an end to rampant condo construction without upgrades, just like we will not see, ever, an honest discussion about gridlock and transit taxes.


Just move close to your work, make your money, and get out before another million people come here and the city slows to a crawl and unemployment rises. This city is going to become unlivable very quickly... make sure you have a contingency plan to get out.
Alex replying to a comment from James / March 19, 2013 at 10:11 am
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We definitely need some concrete numbers showing that people with access to good transit choose it over driving, thus reducing congestion. I could afford a car, but I choose TTC because it's so convenient for me, and so much cheaper. That's one less car on the roads downtown, which makes more room for everyone else. I think of more drivers knew that a lot of people on the TTC could drive, but don't, they'd be more supportive of it.

In general you can't toll a road unless the money goes directly toward improving traffic on that road, otherwise I don't think it's fair. E.g. tolling the 401 should go towards GO transit, since that's the alternative for those drivers. Parking fees in Toronto should go towards maintaining those structures, and improving TTC (since it creates space in those garages for more people). Stuff like that. Plus you need to be super transparent and show people exactly where the money is going and how it's helping them. For something citywide (like TTC improvements) a sales tax would be best though, since it hits everyone equally for something that benefits everyone.
g / March 19, 2013 at 10:12 am
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bike lane picture is upsetting
the lemur replying to a comment from Driver / March 19, 2013 at 10:25 am
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Have you ever voted for such a politician? Was he or she able to keep that promise? Did stuff get paid for?
Paiger / March 19, 2013 at 10:27 am
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Drivers don't want to pay for transit and they also don't want to share the roads by making the cheaper alternative, cycling, easier and safer. Sigh.
JAAAAAAAT / March 19, 2013 at 10:29 am
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how much of our tax dollar goes to road construction/maintenance VS. public transit?
how much public space is used for roads VS public transit?

anyone know of the breakdown?

I imagine that drivers already get a great proportion.
jen / March 19, 2013 at 10:32 am
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I feel like the subway delay was about 20 minutes. I walked to the University line from the Spadina streetcar to find a subway car with the doors open and the lights out that had been sitting there for about 10 minutes. TTC loudspeaker announcement mentioned the problem at Dupont and that shuttle busses were being deployed. I walked back to the Bloor line, traveled over to Yonge and went north that way. As I got on my Yonge train I heard an announcement stating the delay was over.

What is UP with the cars parked in the Sherbourne bike lane??? Is no one ticketing these jerks? We had to give up Jarvis for this???
Logic / March 19, 2013 at 10:48 am
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The evidence that iskyscraper is a socialist based on his postings on blogto / spacing: compelling. The evidence that everyone in the burbs resents "lazy immigrants": non existent ergo Jay's comment is not only completely intuitive it is also factually accurate.
david replying to a comment from g / March 19, 2013 at 11:12 am
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There's not a lot of alternatives when you're dropping a kid at the rink. There is insufficient parking at the rink and no parking in the vicinity. The alternative is to stop in the roadway. So the choice is irritate drivers or irritate cyclists.
cathy replying to a comment from david / March 19, 2013 at 11:17 am
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Isn't there a driveway by the door? (Not being snarky, just trying to figure out how there is no car access to the building other than the main road, which is why I assume people are blocking it.)
Toronto the Whiney / March 19, 2013 at 11:18 am
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So sorry the parents spent 2 minutes in the bike lane unloading their kid.
Anna Avery / March 19, 2013 at 12:05 pm
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Not to split hairs or anything but technically Mississauga is it's own city now and is not a suburb of Toronto as it is considered the 5th largest city in Canada.
Mark / March 19, 2013 at 12:26 pm
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The cars parked in the bike lane need to be ticketed/towed. That is inexcusable. Even if they are stopped to let junior off there is no good reason to stop on the road like that. We got Jarvis back to the way it was supposed to be. No need to spike the ball by being jerks on Sherbourne.
the lemur replying to a comment from Logic / March 19, 2013 at 12:34 pm
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If you've ever read iSkyscraper's comments on UrbanToronto you'd know that he is a fiscal conservative (the only kind of conservative that is relevant when it comes to the cost of building transit or not building it). Furthermore, his characterization of various suburbanite/anti-urban excuses for not supporting even the idea of transit (because it's only for low-income, non-Canadian types) is borne out by the comments section of the Globe and the Post.
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Jay / March 19, 2013 at 12:57 pm
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Just for the record, I own a car, I've never lived south of Lawrence, my brother lives in Whitby and I'm rather conservative. People seem to confuse "educated" with "socialist" a lot though. Or "reads Spacing" with "reads communist manifesto". Oh well.

As for my "vile" sarcastic attack on those who oppose all forms of transit / city-building / urban anything, that was entirely and wholly based on Toronto Sun comment boards, which I consider a reasonable proxy for the non-core POV. From their recent article on the Board of Trade report:

brain_up But it is NOT ok to take more out of what is left over. I just don't have any more money to give to the immigrants, unemployed, underemployed, mentally disabled and OCAP types. When you go above 50%, I'm working in a communist country.

d1scontent: Here a clue stop building condos in Toronto, and tell new immigrants they are not allowed to live in Toronto until we clear up our traffic mess.

cheemiss8-7: Gas tax was suppose to pay for roads. What have the corrupt liberals been doing with 50 yrs of gas tax? Paying the union thug bosses for their freaking campaign support! Which again amounts to OUR money!

leftartnot: that leaves me to be abused by the tax system/government to pay more for PS unions and welfare than I can spend on my own family's well being.

saneguy: How about cutting the ridiculously generous wages, benefits and pensions of ALL public employees instead of introducing new taxes and stealing more money from the PEOPLE.

I could go on...
lol replying to a comment from Logic / March 19, 2013 at 01:06 pm
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ergo is your way of pretending to be smart right jay? thats some vocabulary you've got there...
Dumb replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 19, 2013 at 01:21 pm
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Population of GTA "burbs": ~3 million. Toronto Sun daily circulation: 200,000. Est % people positing to the Sun's website: Single digits. Chance that Sun web "comments" reflect the opinion of the millions of people in the burbs: Nil. Level of iSkyscraper's "educated" ignorance: limitless...
Alex replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 19, 2013 at 01:22 pm
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It can get pretty depressing when you equate internet comments with real life, especially ones on the SUN comment board. When you're reading stuff like that and you start to lose faith in humanity, just remember it is generally a small group of people posting their views over and over again, and they are not at all representative of the overall population. Ford being elected would normally indicate that these people are ~30% of the population, but if you remember who he was running against then you can deduce that a lot of people that voted for him did so simply because he was incompetent enough to not totally screw up the city, a deadlock where nothing gets done for 4 years is better than a malicious or corrupt mayor actively destroying the city for 4 years.

So try to stay positive and just don't read the comments on newspaper sites, they do not represent Toronto.
Chris West replying to a comment from cathy / March 19, 2013 at 01:32 pm
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Cathy, im assuming the picture is of Moss Park Arena at Sherbourne and Queen. There is a large parking lot at the south side of the facility (http://goo.gl/maps/ilSYz).

Im quite surprised that the parents dont drive up onto the baseball field in behind. Obviously it doesnt get used in the winter so it should be a parking lot.
Hop replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 19, 2013 at 01:44 pm
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No the message boards on the Toronto Sun is not a reasonable proxy for a non-core POV. Toronto's suburbs are where recent immigrants go to these days and because many of them have to work odd hours or two jobs and brave shitty transit in the suburbs, they don't have the time to comment on the Internet. The people you are referring to are slowly dying off, moving up north or to Florida very shortly. There is change happening in this city and many of you will not like it.
vampchick21 / March 19, 2013 at 01:51 pm
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I need to ask, yet again, to those so deeply opposed to tolls and other forms of revenue for BADLY NEEDED public transit in the GTHA (which is all forms of public transit from Hamilton to Oshawa btw), just how do you expect it to be paid for if not via new revenue streams? The fairy magic that is the Ford's "Private Investors" that never, ever come forward or are named? Just exactly what do you expect? Are you blind to the "public" part, which includes you? Or are you suffering from a nasty case of FUGM?
Zombieboy22 replying to a comment from vampchick21 / March 19, 2013 at 02:06 pm
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We should not expand transit. The reason: every level of government and the citizens of this country are buried in debt and the feds and province of Ontario are running massive deficits. That means what we have now is already more than we can afford and we should stop spending until we can get our fiscal house in order. I realize this is all sacrilege to the true "fairy magic" thinkers in this city / province / country (hello NDP and their union pals) but it is the truth. Cyprus, Greece et al is not a "Euro" phenomenon, it will happen here too and sooner than you can imagine...
vampchick21 replying to a comment from Zombieboy22 / March 19, 2013 at 02:13 pm
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No, I so strongly disagree with you dearie. Trust me, I'm on transit every single day to get to work, grocery shopping, to get out of the city, everywhere I need to go. Transit has needed expanding and improving for DECADES. Get it? I know you've bought into some weird libertarian doomsday BS, but here in reality land, transit is a priority. Otherwise the 80 minute commmute gets longer and longer and worse and worse.
Zombieboy22 / March 19, 2013 at 02:23 pm
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I know your sense of entitlement makes it seem like you should get whatever you want and everyone else should pay for it but here in reality land you are wrong. As for the debt issue in this country being a libertarian doomsday scenario that's what the citizens of Cyprus thought too until they woke up and 10% of the cash in their bank accounts evaporated into thin air but keep lying to yourself and your pals. Your denial amuses me and if you don't believe it can happen here you might want to try Google Debt / GDP ratio, S&P rating or total debt Province of Ontario
vampchick21 replying to a comment from Zombieboy22 / March 19, 2013 at 02:27 pm
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I actually don't have a sense of entitlement buddyboy, so drop that line of thinking. And you are living in a weird little doomsday scenario. Fact of the matter is that we need improvement on public transit and road infrastructure. Deal with it.
Todd replying to a comment from Todd / March 19, 2013 at 02:41 pm
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The comments in this thread are proof that this is correct.
Alex replying to a comment from Zombieboy22 / March 19, 2013 at 03:20 pm
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Greece et al are in trouble because of tax evasion. If the citizens in those countries actually committed to paying for what they asked their governments to support, then they would not have any issues. It's just further proof we need to go after tax evaders, and cut back on corporate tax cuts that have nothing tied to them about job growth or investment in this country. If we could find a way to make everyone and every entity in this country actually pay what they owe, then we wouldn't have such a large debt problem.

It's estimated that the gridlock in the GTA costs us billions of dollars a year in productivity(sorry, don't feel like googling the exact figures) and that doesn't even take into account the businesses we lose that choose to locate somewhere more convenient. So if we invest our money in improving that then we can actually grow our economy and create jobs. Please try to look at the big picture when you're dealing with things as complex as public policy.
Jacob replying to a comment from Zombieboy22 / March 19, 2013 at 03:33 pm
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1) Public transit helps people get to their jobs. If people can't get to their jobs, the economy dies.

2) Not everyone can afford cars. Do you suggest paying the low-wage workers that many businesses depend on, who are already stretching their paycheques, enough of a wage to buy and maintain a car?

3) There's no possible way in hell our roads have the capacity to handle all the cars that would be required if *everyone* drove. Your commute would go from miserable to impossible.

Simple enough for you?
DL zee racist! replying to a comment from DL / March 19, 2013 at 04:44 pm
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"There's a really, really big reason Dalton McGuinty was able to break every promise he ever made and still get elected three times."

Uh...moron voting bloc in the suburbs??
Silldowntowners / March 19, 2013 at 04:46 pm
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I love the entitlement down towners feel they deserve, thankfully we now have a mayor that can keep their aggressive spending under control!
vampchick21 replying to a comment from Silldowntowners / March 19, 2013 at 04:49 pm
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Stop drinking the damn kool-aid moron. Try thinking for yourself for once. Entitled? Bullshit.
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from Alex / March 19, 2013 at 04:52 pm
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I apologize for offending the real suburbanites - you are all right, I should just stop reading the Sun. I just find the comments there so infuriating (as if the op-eds weren't infuriating enough) that I do begin to lose faith in humanity. (Or at least I lose faith in humanity's ability to spell and use correct grammar.) Plus, remember that I also have eyes and ears on the New York scene and I've seen the exact same story play out there when the suburbs of New York revolted against the commuter tax, when they took down congestion charges, when they bickered over whether toll increases should be matched by fare increases, etc. People who use transit want transit expanded and those people tend to be people living in cities and inner suburbs. People who drive want driving made easier and they tend to be people living in suburban and exurban regions. It's very difficult to get everyone to get along, which is why a certain amount of superregional strong-arming is required. Metrolinx is too weak to do it, the province has never shown interest, the city can't make it happen on its own -- so stagnation results.
ZombieCon replying to a comment from Zombieboy22 / March 19, 2013 at 05:40 pm
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"We should not expand transit"

BWAAAA-HAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Are you seriously THAT stupid.

It's like saying we should no longer collect trash.

It's like saying we should no longer have traffic signals.

It's like saying we should no longer pave roads.

What kind of backward separatist wacko-land do you inhabit anyway??
(Ill)Logic replying to a comment from Logic / March 19, 2013 at 06:03 pm
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Um...none of what you just said make sense, Logic. Like...at ALL.

Were you homeschooled, by chance?
Well replying to a comment from vampchick21 / March 19, 2013 at 06:39 pm
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Well I don't see people out in burbs demanding much of anything. Majority of the people whining are people who live downtown. From bike lanes, to shelter beds, to transit and the list goes on and on..... The only thing i have ever heard form the burbs is stop raising taxes, nothing more.
Zombieboy22 replying to a comment from Jacob / March 19, 2013 at 07:03 pm
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1) Public transit helps people get to their jobs. If people can't get to their jobs, the economy dies.

Um...buy a car already, it isn't rocket science people.


2) Not everyone can afford cars. Do you suggest paying the low-wage workers that many businesses depend on, who are already stretching their paycheques, enough of a wage to buy and maintain a car?

This is enabling then poor. They stay poor because they aren't working hard enough. If they got a CAR, they would have more mobility and better access to higher paying jobs. Again, not rocket science.


3) There's no possible way in hell our roads have the capacity to handle all the cars that would be required if *everyone* drove. Your commute would go from miserable to impossible.

BUILD. MORE. ROADS.

...while we...

BUILD. MORE. SUBWAYS.

God..."I" should be mayor.
Mom replying to a comment from (Ill)Logic / March 19, 2013 at 07:16 pm
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Lay off the sizzurp, that stuff will kill ya...
Tables Are Turning...Big Business Even Says So replying to a comment from Silldowntowners / March 19, 2013 at 07:53 pm
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The Toronto Region Board of Trade is recommending the city turn to four dedicated revenue tools, cited the need to "act or fall behind,” The four measures TRBOT is putting forward for "serious consideration" include:
-A regional sales tax.
-A $1 a day parking space levy.
-A 10 cents per litre regional fuel tax.
-High-occupancy toll lanes at 30/km.

Yes...CAPITALISM HAS SPOKEN!!!!!!

As it was done in Millerland, it shall now be done in FordNation! Get ready to open your wallets, GTA drivers...you're about to subsidize my TTC trip across town.

Cha-ching!
FordNation replying to a comment from Tables Are Turning...Big Business Even Says So / March 19, 2013 at 09:02 pm
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Dream on Commie.
Jakob / March 19, 2013 at 10:14 pm
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I have an opinion on this issue, but what's more important is that you people really need to be nice to each other. In the end we all want the same thing, a good place to live in and enough security to make that last.

Just remember that for every comment there's a real person spending their own time to try to state their point as to how we can improve the state of transportation in the GTA. You could have a beer with them and find out that they're really alright, because they're passionate about important issues and as such quite similar to yourself.

Try to give people with a different opinion the benefit of the doubt, realize that they have a different background than you and that there might be good reasons for that other person to arrive at their conclusion. That, and pick up a book on urban planning to learn about some of these things from people who have dealt with those issues to solve actual problems.

BlogTO can be a better place if you just decide that you can be a positive influence.
Cincinnatus replying to a comment from FordNation / March 19, 2013 at 10:28 pm
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No, YOU do, moron. And try to turn off the propaganda stream that's Faux Noise, The Toronto Sun, and Sun News for a while and think for yourself.

@Zombieboy22: Please do the same.
FordNation replying to a comment from Cincinnatus / March 19, 2013 at 11:14 pm
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Or you can stop believing the B.S. the Toronto Star shovel feeds you, idiot.
vampchick21 replying to a comment from Well / March 20, 2013 at 08:50 am
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Did it EVER occur to you in your clearly ill-educated little brain that those are actually the damn needs of the downtown core, not just of Toronto but of any major city anywhere in the world? And did it ever occur to you that people living in the city, any city, anywhere in the world, don't exactly need to ask permission of those who bought into the sterlie lawn, two-car garage, drive an hour to work every day BS myth? Did you ever notice, ever take your blinders off and realize that the layout of a city is vastly different from the layout of the suburbs? That there are more people, of varying social, economic and ethic backgrounds? That the needs and requirements and infrastructure is different? Or again, are you suffering from a bad case of FUGM?
vampchick21 replying to a comment from Zombieboy22 / March 20, 2013 at 08:50 am
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Shut the hell up you dumbass. You have absolutely no concept of reality and the more you post, the stupider you look.
the lemur replying to a comment from iSkyscraper / March 20, 2013 at 10:45 am
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The comments on the Star's article about transit funding today (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/transportation/2013/03/20/transit_funding_is_toronto_ready_for_its_la_moment.html) are a veritable parade of ignorance, idiocy and solipsism as well:

'Make the bus riding weanies pay for there own ride, the taxes I pay as a car/motorcycle owner, are for maintaining roads, why do we insist on subsidizing transit, if it has to be subsidized then it's not working, let the private sector run it'

and so on. Sigh.
j-rock replying to a comment from the lemur / March 20, 2013 at 11:49 am
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I usually try and let the trolls on the Star site be, but I actually had to reply to that specific comment.
Tables Are Turning...Big Business Even Says So replying to a comment from FordNation / March 20, 2013 at 03:54 pm
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Wait, FordNation...let me get this straight...you think Big Business equals communism? Did you even graduate high school?

Tell me more, we're all ears.

Or are you hiding in your Mom's basement, once again afraid to put your money where your mouth is??

I thought so...tool.
the lemur replying to a comment from Well / March 20, 2013 at 04:07 pm
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'I don't see people out in burbs demanding much of anything'

Except for a subway that they don't have the numbers (current or projected) to justify, that is.
Alex replying to a comment from the lemur / March 20, 2013 at 04:22 pm
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Don't forget all our tax money they're demanding. Downtown subsidizes the burbs like crazy, and all they ever want is more. I know we can't de-amalgamate, but that would just be awesome if we could. I'd like to say it would solve our problems, and both sides could then focus on building the cities/towns they wanted, but in the end I know we would then find other things to fight over amongst ourselves. Still, I guess fighting over things is better than mindless conformity where we all want the same things.
Wise idea, but the burbs are addicted now replying to a comment from Alex / March 20, 2013 at 06:32 pm
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I agree Alex, if we could DE-amalgamate --and, sadly, that will never happen-- we could finally get these freeloading suburbs off our backs. Then they could hit the skids like so-called success stories like Mississauga (tax increase much?).

Not to enrage people, but folks in the suburbs simply have no understanding just how much the former City of Toronto subsidizes them now. Downtown Toronto is a massive economic engine, and a driver not only for the entire province, but the entire nation.

Sure, the suburbs just provide labour and some manufacturing, but when people around the world step off a plane here, they aren't making a bee-line for the West Mall or Mel Lastman Square or the Golden Mile...they're coming because of downtown, and ONLY downtown.

The sooner we scrape the 'burbs off the bottom of our shoes, the better. Let them pay for their own exorbitant road budgets, not to speak of all their fancy Cadillac services/perks like sidewalk clearing, windrow plows, boulevard trimming and extra leaf collection.

They've freeloaded long enough, time to shut down this gravy train.
Doug / March 20, 2013 at 07:30 pm
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You silly hipsters, you realize mayor doug holiday had Etobicoke in the black and debt free before we merged with you and all suddenly we are in debt. Now you just keep telling yourselves that you support Etobicoke. The sooner we can break off from you the better, tired of hippie clrs like vaughan thinking they can spend like crazy and ban stupid sh!t like bullets.

And for the record people like wide idea continues to make Ford very popular in the suburbs. And i can not wait for him to win another election. We will hear all the crying from down town to this side of the humber river.
Wise idea, but the burbs are addicted now / March 20, 2013 at 07:46 pm
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Wow..I'm a 67-year-old hipster! And here I thought the worst thing you could call me was 'retiree'!!

I'll tell you something son, I know a little bit more about this stuff than you do because I worked with both the unions and management in pre-amalgamation Metro to actually IMPLEMENT amalgamation itself, so I have a bit of clue what I'm talking about here. I may let my mouth run a bit, but I stand by what I've said because it's all there on the City website if you want to pore through it yourself.

And yes, no doubt Ford will garner a lot of votes, but he's actually hemorrhaging a lot of support from moderates who voted for him the first time because he simply isn't delivering on his platform.

The centre and left will cite what happened with Joey Pants, and will coalesce around one candidate before election day, and that person --whether centre or left-- will handily beat a weakened Ford 60/40.

I'm so certain of it, I'll even wager. :)
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Wise idea, but the burbs are addicted now / March 21, 2013 at 12:35 pm
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And that person will be none other than Olivia Chow, I'll bet. Or somebody else that's just as good.
Hey Doug...Did You Hear The News? replying to a comment from Doug / March 23, 2013 at 07:59 am
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Latest poll has Olivia Chow 60%-40% over Ford.

My feet are up, my coffee is hot...the only way that news could be any nicer is if it was Adam Vaughan in the lead rather than Chow, cuz I know how much y'all haters can't stand a reasonable, methodical, progressive and consensus-based mayor.

Go suck an egg, haters...GravyGuzzlin' Mayor Fudd is about to take a knee.

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