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Morning Brew: Danzig shooting update, Mr. Christie's workers fight condo, school could refund TTC, a mini PRESTO card, uranium next door, and bag ban goes soft

Posted by Chris Bateman / November 8, 2012

toronto broadviewToronto police are expected to announce an arrest in the Danzing Street shooting case later this morning. According to reports, police arrested someone Wednesday, possibly in connection with the deaths of Joshua Yasay, 23, and Shyanne Charles, 14. One person has been charged in connection with the mass shooting, for reckless discharge of a firearm.

The bakers at Mr. Christie's in Etobicoke are preparing to fight for their factory. The plant is expected to close next year at a cost of 550 jobs and its owners plan to rezone the site for a condo development. The city seems to favor protecting its employment lands - is it right to keep condos out of these work areas?

The Toronto Catholic District School Board and Don Bosco high school might reimburse the TTC the cost of the shelter bus at the centre of this week's controversy, mainly because people keep calling up to complain. In other ill-gotten public vehicle news, The Star reports that the last time a shelter bus was used for transportation was during the Sunrise Propane explosion.

618 ships docked at the Port of Toronto between 2008 and 2011. The Grid finds out what's on board.

GO Transit riders will know the wallet-sized PRESTO card is colossal and hopelessly unwieldy, which is probably why developer Daniel De Sousa has reverse engineered a smaller, keyring version [via Reddit]

Some west end residents are finding out about about a uranium processing plant in their neighbourhood. Though the General Electric-Hitachi facility has been on the site since 1965, neighbours are concerned about the 2,000 tonnes of radioactive uranium dioxide the plant spits out each year.

Forty years ago yesterday, Toronto finally came to its senses and overturned a decision that would have seen its streetcars traded for a wink and the promise of a kiss, or something like that. Steve Munro has the story at Torontoist.

Businesses might get until the summer to prepare for bag prohibition. According to The Star, industry groups have convinced city officials to include a grace period between January 1st and June 30th when no fines, only warnings, can be issued. You know what that means? Yep, another hilarious video from pro-bag pressure group "Reverse the Bag Ban." This time, society collapses when bin liners run out.


Photo: "Speed Bumps Ahead" by Dominic Bugatto from the blogTO Flickr pool.



beep beep / November 8, 2012 at 08:40 am
Cyclist goes through red light

Cyclist gets hit by car

Cyclist learns painful lesson
EricM / November 8, 2012 at 08:56 am
First, all uranium is radioactive when it is in the ground in the first place. It isn't enriched here. So it sounds scary but it's also inert. Should it be in the city? Probably not, industry will move out as the neighbourhood gentrifies anyway.
Rafa replying to a comment from beep beep / November 8, 2012 at 09:03 am
Still the driver's fault. Clearly.

What this demonstrates is the need for not only physically separated bike lanes, but reinforced concrete tunnels on city streets to protect the INNOCENT from the forces of EVIL
James / November 8, 2012 at 09:08 am
The factory has been operating for almost 50 years. There have been no incidents.

A whackjob from Trent goes door to door to complain, now all the residents are "ahhhhmawgawd" and are now complaining and have set up a meeting.

Really? This is definitely a case of jumping on a bandwagon. There is NO reason whatsoever to complain. Signage is clearly on the building (I've passed it many times in the past as part of my then commute), and their website doesn't hide what they produce.

It must be a boring life for the Lansdowne and Dupont residents.
Sarah replying to a comment from EricM / November 8, 2012 at 09:08 am
I can't tell you how angry this makes me and some of my neighbours. I've been in the neighbourhood for years and have known what this plant does. Hardly a secret. I personally think the chemicals under my sink are probably more harmful. The worst part is though they are import single issue activists. I've seen this neighbourhood go from pretty sketchy to a pretty great community. We have worked hard and will keep working and I totally resent that a single issue PR campaign that has ignored so many of us who live here.
I don't glow / November 8, 2012 at 09:16 am
So it's been there 47 years and most haven't heard of it... anybody think maybe the reason is it isn't hurting anything? Maybe this group should head elsewhere like say Benson & Hedges Inc if they are actually worried about cancer prevention.
hai / November 8, 2012 at 09:37 am
Do you guys just take all the top 10 things posted on Reddit and post it as Morning News? Serious question.
Ryan / November 8, 2012 at 09:58 am
I'm getting sick to death of the friggin NIMBYS in my hood. Train electrification NIMBYism, Uranium processing NIMBYism.. etc.

Listen, the uranium plant existed for a long time before you decided to buy a semi near Lansdowne and Dupont and start a family in the west end, and the Junction and its trains existed 100+ years ago, well before you bought your poorly built townhome near the triangle. This whole area was an industrial zone up until the late 70's, accept it and shut up. If you want to live in the country, then move to the country.
Ryan replying to a comment from Sarah / November 8, 2012 at 10:06 am
Amen Sarah
Agree replying to a comment from Ryan / November 8, 2012 at 10:23 am

Do your F-ing homework before you move into a neighborhood.

Just because you move in there doesnt mean you get to alter whats been going on for a 100 years in that area.

If you dont like railroads and/or uranium plants....hmm..what should you do..? Oh thats right...NOT LIVE THERE.

Guess what..i dont like the sounds of airplanes flying over my head every 4 mintues. Guess not going to buy a house in Malton(besides a plethora of other reasons) or anywhere near the flight paths. Pretty logical, no?

Clueless idiots.
James replying to a comment from Agree / November 8, 2012 at 10:26 am
But... but... but if people did the logical thing, then there wouldn't be any issues to raise, and those same people would become even more bored. It's a vicious cycle.

Logic has no place in life, obviously.
CanoeDave / November 8, 2012 at 10:35 am
Happy to see there is a healthy anti Nimby crowd out today. The common and biggest issue with the Christie, GE and Nestle plants is that Toronto needs jobs. What is the use of density when there are no local jobs? In another article in the Star today a planner nailed the issue on the head. Employment area zoning must become ironclad or plants will close because the owners expect a huge price for the land based on the expectation of developers that they can convert the land to residential. Take away the zoning change option and you keep the land value lower and remove the incentive of developers to hold onto vacant lots for years, while writing off the carrying costs, and create an incentive for job creation at no cost to the public. High taxes and land remediation costs are still a huge problem but once employment lands are rezoned the jobs are lost forever.
McRib / November 8, 2012 at 10:37 am
Presto cards are unwieldy? they are the same size as every fucking bank card, credit card, and any other card in your wallet.

or was that sarcasm and i'm just off my meds again?
Rich replying to a comment from Agree / November 8, 2012 at 10:43 am
Seems like Sheila likes being in the limelight, probably goes back to her days as an choreographer and dancer (they do love taking centre stage!)

Maybe she's bored with being a housewife/PT admin asst. and felt the need to take up a cause?
belvedere / November 8, 2012 at 10:50 am
such a shame that street style has become so politically correct. it used to be so much fun.
wrong replying to a comment from Rafa / November 8, 2012 at 11:12 am
"Toronto Police Const. Hugh Smith told CP24 there are indications the victim may have started to cross the intersection early, while the light was still red."

actually i have friends that work in traffic services and everyone single one says it is the bicyclist fault. Going through a light early is against the law, and the cab for once did not break the law.
Jarrett / November 8, 2012 at 11:50 am
The "wallet-sized" PRESTO card is as large as any other card. What makes it so colossal?
Big Fuckin Mega Boat / November 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Uranium Oxide is pretty harmless. Check your grandma's attic, you'll probably find old glass or ceramics glazed or infused with it. Don't break into the plant and huff the stuff and you'll be fine.
M M / November 8, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Such a shame to see the fordist and harperist trolls moving here. I guess they can't afford the G&M paywall, what with the spare change CP pays them to troll. I won't bother to read the comments section, otherwise keep up the good work BlogTo. Just watch out when the Star puts their paywall up.
Brad / November 8, 2012 at 12:27 pm
As a commuter, bags are necessary
the lemur / November 8, 2012 at 12:50 pm
If the guy doesn't want to keep the Presto card in his wallet, why not just punch a whole in it and put a strap through it or something?
Mark replying to a comment from M M / November 8, 2012 at 01:36 pm
"Whaaa! People hold opinions counter to mine and I actually read them. I may have to lay down and drink my non-dairy fair trade herbal drink to overcome such hardships."
Vincent Clement / November 8, 2012 at 01:41 pm
Why can't we combine a driver's licence, health card and Presto into one card? Seriously, can we join the 21st century at some point?

And yes, I know that not everyone has a drivers licence, but the option should exist to merge those three cards into a single card.
Pete replying to a comment from the lemur / November 8, 2012 at 01:42 pm
A whole hole or just whalf a whole?
steve replying to a comment from wrong / November 8, 2012 at 02:09 pm
The police are notoriously pro car. The pedestrian, cyclist and anyone else not in a car are always at fault. The warning is always to the pedestrian or cyclist, rarely are drivers told to drive more carefully and told to obey traffic laws.
ALL traffic lights go red in all direction before turning green. SO if the cyclist jumped the red so did the driver.
Yawn replying to a comment from Mark / November 8, 2012 at 02:16 pm
Thanks for making crystal clear the fact that the right wing can't comment on anything intelligently without resorting to lazy personal insults. Ford must be so proud to have people like you in his corner
Chris replying to a comment from M M / November 8, 2012 at 02:22 pm
Sorry MM, I'm not seeing much trolling today. People expressing a viewpoint that's different to yours does not a troll make.

For one thing, its hardly a "given" that any incident between a cyclist and a motorist is the motorists fault, although that seems to be the default reaction of many in the cycling community. I drive and ride a bike and can tell you that for every idiot motorist out there, there's at least one corresponding idiot cyclist. The thing I always find interesting though, is that when the cyclists get all haughty about motorist behaviour, they actually forget that its in their best interest to be abundantly cautious when riding - at the end of the day, if a car and a bike collide, who do you think is taking the brunt of that impact? Its the rule of thumb I use when riding or walking - if I have any doubt, I let the car go by. Shrieking about having right of way won't do me much good from my hospital bed (or the morgue).

As for the Uranium factory, well, what can I say. When people say "Do your homework" when buying property, that also means actually understanding whats in the neighborhood you've moved into, and that goes beyond doing a count of the hip coffee shops and restaurants. That GE plant has been there almost 50 years, doing the same thing they've always done - its not exactly a secret, so if you didn't know, that's on you for not doing your research. I'm sure it sucks for those just finding out now, but that area has been a residential neighorhood for many, many years - families were living there long before hipsters "discovered" it.

I actually think it would be disgraceful if these NIMBYs were successful in chasing out an established manufacturing plant that is employing hundreds of people because of an ill-informed fear of what's been going on there, without incident, for almost half a century.
Mark / November 8, 2012 at 02:24 pm
If you like I can call over my friends from Toronto sun and I hate the war on Rob Ford group as well. Then finally we can get some intelligent comments.
Mark replying to a comment from Yawn / November 8, 2012 at 02:42 pm
What's wrong YAWN? I hit a little too close to home. Can't handle reading another opinion? Do you have to be spoon-fed your daily talking points or can you think for yourself? You people are all the same. Whatever the Star says is Gospel and you can't handle anyone having a different opinion from you. You are pathetic.
Matt / November 8, 2012 at 02:44 pm
Actually you know what? That Uranium factory is really scary. Maybe folks should just steer clear. I live very close by and trust me you don't want to come here. Kid's and parks are everywhere as well. New businesses are opening and what was once kind of sketchy is becoming pretty great. Kind of hip and arty but also kid friendly... but anyway, be afraid of that fifty year old factory that has never had an issue. If the secret gets out that is becoming a pretty awesome place who knows what could happen.
JennyT replying to a comment from Matt / November 8, 2012 at 02:56 pm
Hipsters. ;)
the lemur replying to a comment from Pete / November 8, 2012 at 02:59 pm
A whee whole, not a whale of a whole.

I'm normally an excellent speller, honest.
Yawn replying to a comment from Mark / November 8, 2012 at 03:04 pm
No more pathetic than an astroturfer who's got his tongue so far up our mayor's backside that he can taste what he had for breakfast this morning

PS. I don't read the Star but thanks for playing
the lemur replying to a comment from steve / November 8, 2012 at 03:05 pm
If you're trying to beat a yellow light (which is what the cab was apparently doing), the light for traffic coming from your left and right is red. The cyclist (a courier) tried to save himself a few seconds by going just before all lights turned red and is now dead.
steve replying to a comment from the lemur / November 8, 2012 at 03:48 pm
Thanks for clearing that up, that information is not in the article posted.
Why would the cab driver not get a fine for running a light? My understanding is you go through a yellow light if you are unable to stop in time once the light changes. Other wise you stop on the yellow. Whatever system I use to commute I follow that rule. I see so many who continue through even after turning red, regardless their form of transport.
Yawn replying to a comment from Mark / November 8, 2012 at 04:19 pm
Much better than what I imagine Ford's asshole tastes like, though you would have a better idea about that than me I'm sure!

Happy trolling
the lemur replying to a comment from steve / November 8, 2012 at 04:25 pm
You can go through a yellow with caution, or stop if it is safe to do so. If the cyclist had a red, that would probably mean it was (still) okay for the cab to go, but speed and attention would also be factors.
Decency replying to a comment from Mark / November 8, 2012 at 09:37 pm
Holy fuck BlogTo let's get some moderation going here.
Joe Tackspaier replying to a comment from Rafa / November 11, 2012 at 11:31 am
You sir are an idiot!
Me / November 11, 2012 at 01:00 pm
YAY! One less bicycle weenie.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Sarah / November 12, 2012 at 04:26 am
Sarah, you need to REALLY learn about nuclear material, and nuclear power, as do most people; until then, you're always going to be manipulated by neo-Luddites with an agenda about nuclear power that isn't supported by science, just when we need said power here in Ontario.

Another thing that's been bugging me about all of this anti-nuclear power bullshit; how do the people who are against it (but who love power draining things like high speed rail and electric trains) expect said things to be powered? I'm sorry, but wind isn't going to cut it, no matter what the Greens or Greenpeace says. It's going to need a stable, non-intermittent power source, and that power source is either going to be hydro electric plants, coal-firing plants, gas firing plants, or nuclear-and I know what ones are the most likely to be built. It's time for you and the people of your neighborhood to embrace truth instead of fear based scaremongering-and that means getting sensible about nuclear science, and what nuclear materials can do. Not believing in fantasies and old wife's tales.
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