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Morning Brew: TTC back in LRT discussions, ten ways to fund new transit, more zoo monkey business, retiring the island ferries, and our crowded city circa 1915

Posted by Chris Bateman / October 2, 2012

toronto kensington marketNothing is ever really a done deal when it comes to Toronto's transportation. According to The Star, the TTC might become the operator of the city's new LRTs after all, despite Metrolinx announcing it was seeking a private operator two weeks ago. The provincial transit agency and the TTC are still discussing ways to keep the Commission in the picture over fears privately operated transit lines in Toronto would spell trouble. Should the TTC run the new lines when they're complete or is it time to give another company a chance?

Now that we're building transit lines, how would you prefer to pay for it? In a report released yesterday, Toronto's city manager weighed up ten different funding options available to local and provincial leaders as they seek roughly $2 billion for further rapid transit expansion. Among them, highway tolls, various tax increases, and parking fees. Time to get serious and pay up?

In something of a curveball yesterday, the City of Toronto called for expressions of interest from groups interested in running the Toronto Zoo. The attraction is having a bit of a tough time; it's elephants won't go to California and it has lost it's accreditation. A few weeks ago the zoo's board looked at ways of ending city meddling. Guess that didn't go so well.

Toronto's aging island ferry fleet could soon be sailing off into the sunset. The Parks, Forestry and Recreation division, faced with new safety restrictions that limit how many people the vessels can carry, is saving up to purchase replacements. Transport Canada required capacity on the Sam McBride and Thomas Rennie be roughly halved last spring.

Here's an interesting diagram. A map of the city published in 1915 that shows the population density of each city block. The most populated areas 97 years ago were around Queen and Bay in The Ward and west of University Avenue. Parts of the east Danforth are still empty. [via Reddit]

Time for another round of Guess the Intersection to keep you on your toes. See if you can identify where this laundry was located in Toronto and type your answers in the comments' sections.toronto guess the intersection

IN BRIEF:

Photo: "conversations" by Sally E J Hunter in the blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

18 Comments

BM / October 2, 2012 at 08:25 am
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Why should the TTC be involved? They can't even run what they have now? Maybe it's time to try something new.
EricM / October 2, 2012 at 08:29 am
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If you are ever near Queen's Quay and the ferries in the summer and see the lines they obviously need to step it up. Still, I love the old boats! It's to bad they can't keep them in service and augment the service with some newer ones as well.
matts / October 2, 2012 at 08:48 am
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"Transport Canada required capacity on the Sam McBride and Thomas Rennie be roughly halved last spring."

Huh?
iSkyscraper / October 2, 2012 at 09:20 am
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Enough already. All transit in the region should be under one regional superagency, and that includes ferries and toll roads. The TTC can still exist under that superagency to operate transit within Toronto's borders, as it does now, but the larger unified group will be better able to sort out fare payment, funding priority, unions, etc. This is the way it has been for decades in New York (MTA->NYCTA), Chicago (RTA->CTA), Boston (MBTA), Philly (SEPTA)... and they all have superior transit systems. Why is everyone so dense about it in Toronto?
Al / October 2, 2012 at 09:24 am
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The building in the background looks like the one on Bay street just north of City Hall. I'm going to say Bay and Hagerman.
Tony / October 2, 2012 at 09:25 am
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Transit should be partially funded by all the condo's going up all over the city and it borders. The private sector should be involved as well and as iSkyscraper stated one regional transit authority to make decisions for all regions and build a successive plan that will address future needs. The city is reactive instead of being proactive.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Tony / October 2, 2012 at 09:53 am
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The city is being smart-Metrolinx is just full of shit (a better agency would have already moved forward with electrification of GO Transit instead of having to be prodded by a citizen's group like the Clean Train Coalition) and should be replaced by a new, citizen-run agency that will act in the best interests of Toronto and Southern Ontario. Giving us a flashy electronic RFID payment thingy that makes a beep sound to take out money for fares isn't enough-at least the TTC (as directed by David Miller) is moving forward into the future by building light rail. Would that all of what Miller wanted for Toronto was implemented, instead of half. But, you know how how most of the FYIGM (Fuck You, I Got Mine) crowd thinks-and we're all dealing with the consequences.
mike in parkdale / October 2, 2012 at 10:45 am
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I love riding the ferry to the Island, but the sad truth is that the whole setup could be replaced by a pedestrian foot bridge over the eastern gap.
Chris Bateman / October 2, 2012 at 11:01 am
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@Al: Nope, not Bay and Hagerman. One of these buildings is still standing, though.
Bird Window Collisions / October 2, 2012 at 11:09 am
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I'm all for the TTC operating the LRT. They have extensive expertise in this area and should be able to handle the management of LRT better than any private company.
Danny J replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / October 2, 2012 at 11:16 am
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Light rail is going to slow the city to a slower crawl than the one it's already in. St. Clair is just the tip. Finch and Sheppard are going to become disaster zones. And 30 metre streetcars on Dundas, College, Queen, King etc. are going to absolutely cripple those roads.
vampchick21 replying to a comment from Danny J / October 2, 2012 at 11:28 am
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I'm pretty damn sure that when the transit debate started a while back, it was proven that the disaster on St. Clair wasn't a disaster at all. As for the other streets, try getting out of the car and onto transit. No traffic headaches when less people are driving.
Paul replying to a comment from Danny J / October 2, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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The only disaster on St. Claire is that it wasn't an LRT but simply a dedicated right of way. You have to wait for 2-3 street cars during rush hour before you can get one with space. Not everybody drives. This is a trend that will only grow.
RobertB / October 2, 2012 at 03:05 pm
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Looks like the south side of Eastern Avenue, west of Carlaw.
rob / October 2, 2012 at 03:20 pm
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Is that Massey Hall on the right? Maybe Shuter St. at Bondish?
Craig replying to a comment from Simon Tarses / October 2, 2012 at 06:26 pm
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My question to you and all the electrification advocats is this: where would you like to put the power generating plant? The people of Oakville didn't want it, so there is now that prescident.

Within the next few years the crosstown express will come on line, the population will coninue to grow, so eventually we will need to build a new one (or two) to meet the demand.
F OFF replying to a comment from inocaenvide / October 3, 2012 at 11:33 pm
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Get bent, spammer.
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Craig / November 22, 2012 at 03:38 am
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I have no problem with what would likely power said trains, like most people do. The only problem is, I'm against the prevailing ethos that's based on bad science and bullcrap and is also based on what people think could power said train when they know said trains have a snowball's chance in hell of being powered by what they want to power it except intermittently. You know what it is-it has the word 'clear' in it.

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