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Morning Brew: Bad news for Jarvis bike lane advocates, plastic bag ban might be reconsidered, new streetcars spotted, the Toronto skyline in 2020

Posted by Derek Flack / September 26, 2012

Toronto SkylineWell, this is just going to sting if you're an advocate for keeping the Jarvis bike lanes. As Dave Meslin explains on his blog, "Not only is the removal of the Jarvis bike lanes a colossal waste of money (the lanes are brand new) — but guess where the money is coming from? I've been able to confirm with the City that the money to REMOVE the lanes is being pulled directly out of the limited budget the City has to INSTALL bike lanes!" Salt in the wound, indeed.

The plastic bag ban city council voted to take effect January 1st might be back up for debate thanks to a motion put forward by Peter Milczyn and seconded by Denzil Minnan-Wong. It would need the support of two thirds of council to pass, but as the Globe notes, this might be possible thanks to threats of lawsuits from plastic bag interest groups against the city. So how's this one going to play out?

If ever you needed hope that things will get better on the TTC, behold: new streetcars! Then again, it sure looks like a 5 cent fare increase is on the way for 2013.

When will these elephants leave? And will Bob Barker punch someone in the face? Questions, man. Although Barker claims that the Toronto Zoo is just stalling, according to its senior veterinarian, there are "deep concerns about what he says are active cases of tuberculosis at the California PAWS sanctuary, where city council ordered the elephants sent last October." The saga continues.

If you're an urban nerd, this'll probably be the coolest thing you see today (and if you're a really big one, you've already seen it). Canadian Business picked up on a thread over at SkyscraperPage that features renderings of what Toronto will look like in 2020. The work of Cale Vanderveen, the exercise is a dramatic demonstration of just how much development is in the works for the city. Like, wow.

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Photo by 416Pictures in the blogTO Flickr pool

Discussion

53 Comments

Robert / September 26, 2012 at 08:59 am
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I would like to direct my portion of property taxes I pay for roads to installing bike lanes
EricM / September 26, 2012 at 09:10 am
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You know... at some point we should probably acknowledge what an amazing time are in in regards to living in Toronto? The mayors office seems to consistently tell us we are on the verge to total collapse which is obviously a lie. So many others just seem to be scared. We need to focus on the development for the people a bit more and although 'Manhatenization' is a term used to much were we are right now is our New York in the 1920's period. VERY exciting times and it will continue whoever is in the Mayors chair or even in spite of them.
Kait / September 26, 2012 at 09:11 am
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I would like a portion of the amount I pay to the Ontario government to renew my plates to go to installing bike lanes in Toronto. FOR MY BIKE. THAT I RIDE. WHEN I'M NOT DRIVING.
steve / September 26, 2012 at 09:18 am
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That bike lane never should have been on Jarvis to begin with. This is just correcting a poor decision by a previous council. Its realy amazing how many fires there are to be put out. But at least there's labour piece.
Marc / September 26, 2012 at 09:19 am
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All your efforts would be better spent on calling or writing letters to government instead of wasting them on snarky comments on the interment.
Mark / September 26, 2012 at 09:21 am
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I don't ride a bike, why should my taxes go to bike lanes they are constantly empty. let's get rid of these bike lanes, and use them for what they are supposed to be for, cars!
Redditor replying to a comment from Marc / September 26, 2012 at 09:24 am
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But it's so easy to do this from my mom's basement.
vampchick21 replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 09:26 am
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If you think the bike lanes are empty, you must be driving with your eyes closed. Or yakking on your cell phone. Or reading while driving. Either way, I suggest that YOU stay off the road.
Jeff replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 09:32 am
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I do ride a bike, I also have 2 cars and pay taxes. The roads are for vehicles, not just cars. Anyone who drives downtown is kidding themselves if they think fewer bike lanes will ease congestion, so put them in where they make sense (like on Jarvis, which was working just fine for everyone as far as I could tell) and don't rip out lanes that already exist.

Also: Ford for Coach!
Alex / September 26, 2012 at 09:33 am
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Toronto is going to have one sick skyline soon.

I don't drive or ride a bike but you are welcome to my taxes because I live in a city and we all pool our money together to make things better for everyone. Just because I don't use those roads doesn't mean my friends don't, or my boss, or the people that work in the grocery store I shop at, or the subway driver that drives me to work and around town, or my co-workers, or the cleaners for my office building, or the police officers who protect me, or... Get the point? Stop being selfish and realize you live in a city, not your own personal bubble.
Jacob replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 09:35 am
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I don't go to school! Why should my tax dollars go to fund schools?
Sean / September 26, 2012 at 09:50 am
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Each condo (not the building but a unit) is paying property taxes. Multiply that with all new condo buildings, those under construction and proposed buildings, the city shouldn't be broke. We should have the money reserved for better infrastructure and better still, a transit system - the envy of the world.

But nooo. Ask yourselves, where is the money going to? Deep pockets?
iSkyscraper replying to a comment from steve / September 26, 2012 at 09:51 am
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Hey "steve", you realize that spelling mistakes further undermine your already ridiculous comment, rite?
Rob replying to a comment from Alex / September 26, 2012 at 10:00 am
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Without decent infrastructure (which includes subways, LRTs, bike lanes AND new/improved roads for cars), Toronto is going to become a (greater) disaster.

A downtown relief line is an absolute necessity.
The Real Johnson / September 26, 2012 at 10:04 am
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The people who comment that bike lanes are useless are employees of right wing city councillors, right? You can't really be that ignorant. People bike in the city. Don't like them on the road with you? That's what separate lanes are for!

Either you're supremely dumb, or this is exquisite trolling. Steve, I especially appreciate the misspelled, off-handed reference to RoFo's one victory, "labour piece."
Matt / September 26, 2012 at 10:39 am
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I don't want to be a buzzkill, but that rendering posits growth at an unsustainable level—we're already building more condo units per year in Toronto than move to the entire GTA in a given year.
lol replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 10:48 am
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I don't drive a car , why should my taxes go to car lanes they are constantly empty. let's get rid of these car lanes, and use them for what they are supposed to be for, people!!
mark / September 26, 2012 at 10:51 am
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Bike lanes have a place in the city, just not on Jarvis. Miller fucked up Jarvis as a way to stick it to drivers, no other reason. This is fixing the mess Miller made. Plus there will be new separated lanes one block over. Everyone wins, except the professional whiners in the 'cyclist union'.
Clay replying to a comment from mark / September 26, 2012 at 11:11 am
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Why not on Jarvis? It's a street. A street for vehicles and pedestrians just like most other streets. One block over? it's actually more like two blocks over because Huntley, and whole lot of land are in between Jarvis and Sherbs. Why should I go farther west than I need to? Why not NOT drive of Jarvis if it sucks so bad, there are so many streets you could use "one block over."
Clay replying to a comment from Marc / September 26, 2012 at 11:13 am
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I've emailed Minnan-Wong and called, and done the same with mayor. I have received no reply. Shocking.
Yan / September 26, 2012 at 11:14 am
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The skyline rendering is awesome, but they miss the new Aquarium.
vampchick21 replying to a comment from mark / September 26, 2012 at 11:27 am
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Cancel your subscription to The Toronto Sun and ban Newstalk 1010 from your radio dial. They seem to have vastly negatively affected your ability to think rationally.
BH / September 26, 2012 at 11:31 am
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More buildings doesn't make for a better skyline, just a denser one. Architects and planners still haven't moved away from the same squares and retangles we already have too much of in this city.

I took a trip back to Asia for the first time in awhile and was impressed by how the skylines had developed there--they actually had variety, not the same boring lego design we mostly have here in Toronto.
vampchick21hater replying to a comment from vampchick21 / September 26, 2012 at 11:39 am
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I really dislike you. I don't know why. Every time I see a comment from you, it's like an ice pick piercing my skull. And that's before I've even read it. I bet you're fat too. Just wanted to get that out. Thanks.
Mark replying to a comment from vampchick21 / September 26, 2012 at 11:53 am
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5 lanes worked on Jarvis morons. Take your bike one block over and ride to your hearts content. Don't punish drivers for your laziness and petulance

And put down NOW magazine Vampgirl. You might learn something someday.
Katems replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 11:57 am
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whoa whoa whoa, did you just accuse cyclists as suffering from 'laziness'? that's hilarious.
four lanes also work on jarvis. and from one driver to another, you should try to look at the way the city is planned from multiple perspectives. you might learn something someday.
Mark / September 26, 2012 at 11:58 am
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Let's get serious here, 99.5& of people in Toronto do not use those lanes and never well. Meanwhile almost 2/3 of people in Toronto drive. Giving more lanes to traffic, more traffic more freely and also helps the economy that loose millions every year due to grid lock. It is time to stop pandering to special interest groups like bike riders. Rob Ford when he is re-elected will make sure roads are given back to drivers and not special interest groups.
Lee Zamparo replying to a comment from mark / September 26, 2012 at 12:01 pm
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"Bike lanes have a place in the city, just not on Jarvis. Miller fucked up Jarvis as a way to stick it to drivers, no other reason."

You can't seriously be this spiteful. This was a decision made by council, after consultation from the appropriate agencies in the city, as well as people in that ward who didn't want so much traffic on Jarvis. There were many reasons, and your phantom David Miller desires were not among them. Please inform yourself (e.g http://www.toronto.ca/cycling/reports/pdf/jarvis-briefing-note-april2011.pdf) before dumping your innermost thought garbage onto the internet.

"This is fixing the mess Miller made. Plus there will be new separated lanes one block over. Everyone wins, except the professional whiners in the 'cyclist union'."

Actually it is an expensive alternative to the modest increase in commute times on Jarvis, which might have been handled less expensively with a change in traffic policy. No one wins, since cyclists pay for the removal of the bike lane from the budget for installing more bike lanes. It's wasteful spending, full stop. And please, get over David Miller.
Antony / September 26, 2012 at 12:25 pm
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This is bad policy and bad politics. All local groups around Jarvis agree: the 5th lane should stay gone. Wider sidewalks or bike lanes, whatever, just keep car traffic safer and the street walkable.

The Ford administration has totally snubbed the local councilor, flipped off the Jarvis residents' association, ignored the public, ignored the 90% reduction in pedestrian-car collisions and 23% reduction in overall collisions ( http://cycleto.ca/sites/tcu/files/Jarvis%20Collision%20Review%2020April2012-1_0.pdf ), and all over what?

1 minute southbound and 3 minutes northbound delay, during rush hour. Which is inevitable with the hundred new towers being built around the city in the next 10 years anyhow.
Paul replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 12:28 pm
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"Let's get serious here, 99.5& of people in Toronto do not use those lanes and never well. Meanwhile almost 2/3 of people in Toronto drive. "

Wow... way to pick to unrelated stats and stack them against each other. You know what? 99.5% of drivers won't use Jarvis either!

You know what the irony is right? Cycling on Jarvis has increased a lot. I believe it's tippled in the time since the original studies have come out. You know what's going to happen with those bike lanes are removed? Drivers will actually have LOST a lane of traffic as cyclists use up two full car lanes. This brilliant move to "improve traffic" on Jarvis, will do nothing but make it worse.
Clay replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 12:37 pm
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You're an asshole. Congrats. It's not one block it's two (for the majority of Jarvis.) Calling cyclists lazy is absurd, moron. See I can act tough with name calling on the internet. Go me.
AV replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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Mark Towhey shows his bald, flat head here again!
Jacob replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 01:03 pm
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"Don't punish drivers for your laziness and petulance"

Don't punish people who LIVE downtown because you insist on driving your car to work instead of taking transit.
vampchick21 replying to a comment from vampchick21hater / September 26, 2012 at 01:33 pm
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Well isn't that special? Adorable.
vampchick21 replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 01:34 pm
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Actually don't read NOW magazine. Try again. Also check the user name.
steve replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 01:41 pm
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Mark do some math, if 2/3 of the people drive. 1.5 million take the TTC that would be 1/3 of the people. Then that would put 3 million cars daily on the road. how do you fit 3 million cars on the streets in Toronto?
Your 99.5% figure put 125,000 in bike lanes, that alone qualifies the need for more bike lanes
Seems you got the same math teacher as Rob Ford.
Innsertnamehere replying to a comment from Yan / September 26, 2012 at 03:17 pm
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Guy who made the model here.

yan, I added the new aquarium to the model later. the most up to date models have it in it.
Yan replying to a comment from Innsertnamehere / September 26, 2012 at 03:27 pm
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Thanks. The work you've done is outstanding.
Alex / September 26, 2012 at 04:20 pm
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You know, with all those condos popping up old Toronto's population is going to skyrocket. If we get enough people can we separate Old Toronto from the rest to form our own city of Toronto again? Clearly downtowners and suburbanites feel vastly different about a lot of issues and we deal with different types of urban issues, so it only makes sense for us to separate and each govern the way we feel is best. All the cities still have the facilities for their own governments, and the only contentious issue would be how much each city contributes to the TTC subsidy. The TTC will have to figure out based on the contributions how much service they run to each area I guess.
Mark replying to a comment from vampchick21 / September 26, 2012 at 04:38 pm
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Whatever Vampgirl. I don't read the Sun, but that seems to be your go to insult so I'll just counter with the far left equivalent. Who cares about being accurate when there's a good insult to be made?

Fact is Miller fucked up Jarvis to further his anti-car agenda. Didn't matter that it cost thousands of dollars and made commuting much worse. Now all of a sudden we find that cyclists are fiscally responsible and are concerned about spending money. Funny how that wasn't a concern when they ruined Jarvis, but only now that they are fixing it.
Logical people replying to a comment from vampchick21 / September 26, 2012 at 05:40 pm
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Mark is definitely someone having a laugh. A caricature. Miller screwing over drivers. No one isle ep up the great work. We all love you
Logical people replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 05:43 pm
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99.5 how fordian of you too completely make up a random number and present it as fact. Ford supporters are so fucking stupid can we please cull them already
Logical people replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 05:44 pm
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Loose? What does the economy loose? You are way too fucking stupid mark. It's lose. Did you finish high school?
moony replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 05:48 pm
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Well, technically, your tax dollars already went into building that bike lane. Now more of your tax dollars (significantly more, by the way) will be spent on removing them.
Mar replying to a comment from Paul / September 26, 2012 at 05:51 pm
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You've nailed it! The people fighting for the removal of bike lanes have just spited themself. Bikers don't disappear just because a bike lane does
I Do Agree / September 26, 2012 at 05:59 pm
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I do agree bike riders are a special interest group, they are almost as bad as unions.
Mark replying to a comment from Antony / September 26, 2012 at 06:01 pm
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Down town elites just complaining, nothing more!
Mark's an Idiot replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 06:45 pm
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Idiot.
Mark's testicles replying to a comment from Mark / September 26, 2012 at 08:13 pm
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Mark, can you explain in detail with some facts how Jarvis was "ruined"? I'd like to hear how it is "much" worse.

If you are indeed Mark Towhey, then I don't actually expect much more than the standard Rob Ford talking points, but let's hear it anyway! I'm all ears!

The Future replying to a comment from Mark / September 30, 2012 at 07:30 am
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Cars have no place in the downtown core. It should just be exclusively taxis, delivery vans, and bikes. Everything else can stay in Misssissaguauauagagaga
The Future replying to a comment from Mar / September 30, 2012 at 07:35 am
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That's the lunacy of this decision. Less bike lanes = more bikes on roads. Everybody together now, "duh"! Toronto's like where the US was in the 1970's. Well now the Americans are more progressive than us, trends have been reversed.
realityCheck / October 1, 2012 at 04:20 am
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I don't really have an opinion about the Jarvis bike lanes, though I'm not sure their loss is such a big deal given what has been done on Sherbourne. What I will add to the discussion is that the approval of the Jarvis lanes under the Miller administration was one of the key catalysts for Ford's election. Miller wasted a great deal of political capital to push these lanes through without taking the time for an adequate public consultation process. Their was considerably less than universal support for these lanes... and those opposing were more than just the Rosedale types. I know many commentators on this site don't like to acknowledge such things, but the point of politics isn't just to do what you think is the right thing. It's to do what you think is the right thing in a way that isn't likely to see you turfed out of office.
Nick / October 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm
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To the many commenters above including Mark, the fact of the matter is that the bike lanes option on Jarvis was one of the preferred alternates for the Jarvis redesign a couple of years ago. The first preference was for wider sidewalks (but also two lanes of traffic in each direction).

The major problem with current configuration of two lanes of traffic in each direction is the lack of left turn lanes, which could very easily be rectified with a bit of paint. Spending $250000 to put back in the reversible lane won't help traffic at all, as the 3rd lane will back up behind people waiting to turn left.

Finally, if I were a real mayor touting 'customer service', I'd like to know how the 65000 people who live in this ward feel about having their main road turned back into a cars-only semi-expressway. The road has become a lot safer since the bike lanes were installed. Funny how 15000 car drivers merit the mayor's customer service attention and not the people who actually live there.

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