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Morning Brew: Toronto bans plastic bags, more big ideas for the city, a casino is officially out at Ontario Place, and the cause of the Union Station flood

Posted by Derek Flack / June 7, 2012

Toronto stormI bet Rob Ford was expecting this when he pushed to eliminate the five cent bag fee. Although in one sense the mayor got his way (the fee will be scrapped July 1), in a surprise twist, council voted to eliminate plastic bags altogether by January 1, 2013. Perhaps even stranger, is that it was Councillor David Shiner who put forward the last minute motion supporting the ban, which passed 27-17.

This story probably has more life left in it yet, as the ban is bound to face a legal challenge from the plastics industry among others. So, what do you think? Good move? It's worth noting that Seattle and, more recently, Los Angeles have put similar bans in place.

Is banning plastic bags altogether a "big idea?" Maybe. But we can be even more ambitious. Case in point: the reader-submitted portion of the Grid's cover story from a couple weeks ago is full of great stuff that ranges from the entertaining and unrealistic to the intelligent and perhaps even crucial. John Lorinc's idea to create "The TO Loop" — a continuous pedestrian/cyclist path around the harbour and Islands — took top honours.

It's official — Ontario Place will not be the future site of a casino in Toronto. Exhibition Place does, however, remain a possibility. A review from the city manager regarding the site's feasibility for a casino is expected this fall.

It sure was odd that Union Station turned into Waterworld last Friday when there weren't really any other reports of flooding around the city. Now there's an explanation. As part of renovation efforts on the station, a contractor removed part of a sewer, leaving in place a pump system that was ultimately overwhelmed by the rainfall. You could say it was a Perfect Storm. But it sure made for some funny Photoshop work.

After Shawn Micallef tweeted about an intriguing (and frankly moving) backstory to the weekend's shootings at the Eaton Centre, the story of how Todd Irvine tended to a stabbed Christopher Husbands back in February made it to both the Star and the Globe.

VIDEO

Believe it or not, Councillor Paula Fletcher actually played this video about the life of a plastic bag during yesterday's city council debate. I wonder if it swayed council members in favour of the ban?

Photo by ~EvidencE~ in the blogTO Flickr pool

Discussion

46 Comments

mike in parkdale / June 7, 2012 at 08:58 am
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It's amazing that city council can do something that makes Toronto look like a progressive minded city that's leading the way for the future (despite Mayor McCheese). Props to them!

http://i.imgur.com/eKfX2.jpg
McRib / June 7, 2012 at 08:59 am
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reading various news comments sections and blog sites, its actually really funny just how mad people have gotten about the plastic bag ban.
tux replying to a comment from McRib / June 7, 2012 at 09:03 am
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Sue Ann Levy is going to blow a gasket!
John E / June 7, 2012 at 09:05 am
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Super super happy about the plastic bag ban, very progressive. Love it.
Bill / June 7, 2012 at 09:10 am
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Hmm.. Mixed feelings on the bag ban - thought the nickel tax was perfect. Psychologically you avoided them as much as possible, but still if you wanted to make a spontaneous grocery stop you could.

And as the graphic posted in the first post shows, the check-out counter bags are hardly our biggest problem.

MrPotato / June 7, 2012 at 09:12 am
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Do you know how hard it is to carry a 20 piece bucket, fries, gravy, and a dessert with no bag?
Picard102 replying to a comment from mike in parkdale / June 7, 2012 at 09:12 am
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That'll make a nice bulge in my pants pocket for the summer. Ladies look out!
billy / June 7, 2012 at 09:12 am
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I don't understand how banning plastic bags helps the environment. There will still be the same amount of plastic bags in the landfill, it's just we have to buy them in bulk instead of one at a time. Or are they banning the sale of plastic bags as well?
mike in parkdale / June 7, 2012 at 09:13 am
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the was an angry editorial in the Sun that said city council should try banning gangsters with guns instead of plastic bags. Yep, they made that leap of logic.

Re: Bill - exactly! removing one bag really doesn't do that much. I wish you could still buy 1 liter refillable bottles instead of 2 liter plastic ones. It's a small thing, but really added up.
BM / June 7, 2012 at 09:13 am
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I don't give a s**t if we have plastic bags or not. But come on, when are these councilors going to stop acting like school children having a fight in the playground???

We'll just get rid of gas all together - translation - I'm taking my ball and I'm going home.

The whole office is an embarrassment.
steve replying to a comment from tux / June 7, 2012 at 09:14 am
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Warmington beat her to it.
Xavier / June 7, 2012 at 09:15 am
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Guess I'll have to buy plastic garbage bags for home now. Yup that'll make a huge difference to landfill. The bag ban is largely symbolic and most useless
McRib / June 7, 2012 at 09:15 am
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to be honest, im not sure that an outright ban without doing any study or consultation was the best idea. Hopefully it doesnt blow up in councils face.

But seeing Ford get expertly trolled by city council was delicious.
Picard102 replying to a comment from McRib / June 7, 2012 at 09:19 am
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When the city is paying legal fees to meet the challenges bound to come I'm sure we'll all be happy Rob got trolled.
Marc replying to a comment from billy / June 7, 2012 at 09:19 am
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It's dubious if it will help MUCH, since you'll be buying kitchen catchers and dog poop bags instead of re-using your grocery bags...

I think it's a good move all the same. When people have to pay for plastic bags (for garbage) they re-think how they use them. Break down your garbage. recycle and compost more.

Although, in this case, I will agree that the timing of it is SPECIFICALLY to spite Ford.
Foo / June 7, 2012 at 09:24 am
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Good grief. They banned plastic bags, not bags altogether. Paper bags are things, people. So are reusable bags and bins.
GUNT SMELL replying to a comment from MrPotato / June 7, 2012 at 09:27 am
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Next time, use the drive-thru
leo / June 7, 2012 at 09:29 am
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As if it going to be enforced. Stupid as usual. I would have raised tbe price for bags tobe one dollar.
OOO___OOO / June 7, 2012 at 09:35 am
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I'm going to get my bags from a Mississauga Wal-Mart anyway. Who wants me to bring back some contraband?
Jack S / June 7, 2012 at 09:36 am
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This is going to make shoplifting so much easier. Thanks, city council!
Bilbo Baggins / June 7, 2012 at 09:45 am
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I'm going to blow Rob Ford's mind by starting a new advocacy group: Cyclists for Free Plastic Bags. Who's with me?
paul / June 7, 2012 at 09:48 am
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Why are biodegradable plastic bags being banned as well?

NinaBeana / June 7, 2012 at 09:56 am
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I'm really pleased about the plastic bag ban. Those bags are toxic and wasteful while being produced, and they cause all kinds of problems for wildlife, and on sea. It's a small adjustment for people to make, but it has huge benefits for the planet.
I stopped using plastic bags for shopping years ago, and recently gave up using plastic bags as liners in my garbage, green waste and recycling bins. Sounds weird at first, but since nothing wet goes into the recycling or garbage I realized those bins didn't need a liner. I keep my green waste bin in my freezer so it never gets messy or smelly. Quitting plastic bags was a really small adjustment, people might be surprised how easy it is.
Alex / June 7, 2012 at 09:58 am
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Other cities have banned the bags, so it's probably legal to do so. I feel like this did get done a little quickly, but a different councilor had tried this before and it didn't pass then, so probably back then they had already done all the studies and looked into it to make sure it was feasible.

When I first heard about this I was upset because tons of times on the way home I realize I need something from the store and I don't have my bag(s) with me, so I get a plastic one. But with this I'm sure the retailers will just switch to paper or biodegradable, and it will get people to use biodegradable bags (maybe) for their garbage and really reduce landfill. Next stop, green bin program for condos and apartments!
ban / June 7, 2012 at 09:59 am
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stupid ban, hope it gets overturned in the courts.
Ratpick replying to a comment from Bill / June 7, 2012 at 10:06 am
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"Hmm.. Mixed feelings on the bag ban - thought the nickel tax was perfect. Psychologically you avoided them as much as possible, but still if you wanted to make a spontaneous grocery stop you could."

Bill, you sound like a rare island of sanity in this city. Care to run for council?

steve replying to a comment from Alex / June 7, 2012 at 10:12 am
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"Next stop, green bin program for condos and apartments!"

Been in place for sometime now.
steve replying to a comment from Ratpick / June 7, 2012 at 10:12 am
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it's a ban on PLASTIC bags, not BAGS. See the difference?
Mike replying to a comment from BM / June 7, 2012 at 10:23 am
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Yup. Progressive or not, the ban was voted in a fit of pique by council to piss off the Mayor.

That's more disconcerting than a bag ban.

Ford and council need to stop acting like children.
Quark replying to a comment from McRib / June 7, 2012 at 10:43 am
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Tough shit for them. They can buy reusable bags just like everybody else, or they can frack themselves.
Stephanie / June 7, 2012 at 10:56 am
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Oh I'm sure everyone will be just fine. Use bio-bags for the compost and get some reusable bags that fold up into a little square so you can keep them with you all the time... not that tough!
p / June 7, 2012 at 11:35 am
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Rumour has it that Shiner and Ford were seen high-fiving and chanting "FOUR MORE YEARS" up in the mayor's office after the vote yesterday.
THE MAYOR / June 7, 2012 at 11:57 am
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This is insanity. What will Rug use to pick up my doodoo when he takes me for a walk?
Strong enough / June 7, 2012 at 11:58 am
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One thing I wonder about that rarely seems to appear in conversations about banning plastic bags is having bags that are "fit for purpose". Plastic bags have handles and most paper bags I've seen do not... or am I wrong here? As long as you can give me handles and bags that are sturdy enough for groceries, then I'm all in...

Dr. Colon Oscopy / June 7, 2012 at 12:12 pm
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Whoa...WT gd F are you saying Mr. Mayor? We had a deal. I was supposed to be the only one who touched your shit. You'll be hearing from my lawyers....Phartstein & Torycrap. You don't feck with the assman...didn't your daddy teach you anything and where the phuck have you been hiding anyway? I know the PMO gave you your last warning but you've been harder to find than a christofacist warmonger with a brain.
Ratpick replying to a comment from steve / June 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm
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"it's a ban on PLASTIC bags, not BAGS. See the difference?"

I do. Ever tried using a paper bag on a rainy or snowy day?

Picard102 replying to a comment from NinaBeana / June 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm
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Except paper bags that they'll now sell are more harmfull to the environment.
steve replying to a comment from Ratpick / June 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm
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Yep that is why I use reusable bags. It will be an adjustment for sure but not a life challenging one.
Going to stock up the reusable bags while they are still a buck. Probably cost five by January.
Cliff S replying to a comment from Ratpick / June 7, 2012 at 01:52 pm
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Plenty of alternatives to plastic and paper bags (even if it happened to be raining.)

Paper bag + umbrella
Paper bag + car trunk
Paper bag + bus shelter
Paper bag + PATH system (for you downtown elites)
Cloth bags
Re-useable plastic bags
Mesh bags
Boxes
Bins (plastic or wood)
Crates
Baskets
Backpack
Nap sack

I'm sure there are others, but these were a quick list from the top of head.
Picard102 replying to a comment from Cliff S / June 7, 2012 at 01:59 pm
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These aren't alternatives at all. Half the list is one of the items you're trying to list alternatives for, the other doesn't address the concern of unplanned shopping trips.
Robert replying to a comment from Picard102 / June 7, 2012 at 02:11 pm
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How many times does it need to be repeated. Only non-reusable plastic shopping bags are banned. Not all bags are banned.
McRib / June 7, 2012 at 02:58 pm
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oh you mean the thought police aren't going to come into my house in the middle of the night and take away my bags by force?
Picard102 replying to a comment from Robert / June 7, 2012 at 08:20 pm
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How many times does it not need to be said that they are banning all bags before you decide to correct them? Apparently none.
Yeah replying to a comment from Dr. Colon Oscopy / June 8, 2012 at 10:33 am
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Wow, you are sooooo funny!
Alex replying to a comment from steve / June 8, 2012 at 10:43 am
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My bad, I meant "Green bin program for ALL apartment buildings and condos". I don't know the exact percentage that actually have one, but I think the last time I heard it, it wasn't very high. I hate throwing out my food in the garbage.
Dr. Colon Oscopy replying to a comment from Yeah / June 11, 2012 at 08:27 pm
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Thanks. Maybe you'll be the one to break the news that Blob Frod got a 220 lb tumor removed from his colon and it asks the doctor in Italian for directions to Rug Frod's ass pipe.

BTW: Has anyone actually seen Mammo around lately or is he still perfecting his assclown routine in Blob's rec room with a pair of Blob's soiled speedos strapped to his face?

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