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Morning Brew: Ford is against OneCity, Captain John's could float on, Pride still deciding on QuAIA, stuck bike at Spadina update, more fierce weather, and Jays lose

Posted by Chris Bateman / June 28, 2012

toronto ttc station telephonesWell, no big surprise there. Rob Ford says he doesn't support Karen Stintz and Glenn De Baeremaeker's OneCity transit plan - even though it includes the Sheppard subway he wants - because the TTC chair and vice-chair plan to fund the expansion project with property tax. The mayor is sticking to his hope the private sector will pay out for subways. Get set for more transit showdowns this summer.

If you're wondering where on Earth this transit plan came from, The Star tells how councillors and TTC chair and vice-chair Karen Stintz and Glenn De Baeremaeker carefully nurtured and hatched the plan.

Yesterday we told you Captain John's floating restaurant had closed. Today, though, The Star reports the ship itself could linger on while a marine court decides its fate. The Toronto Port Authority ordered that the ship "refrain from leaving" (no problem - the ship has no engine and has been wedged in the lake mud since 1975) and "Captain John" Letnik, who runs the business and lives on the boat, says he ain't sunk yet.

Pride organizers say they don't know if Queers Against Israeli Apartheid - the controversial group that could have caused the event funding issues - will be marching in the parade on Canada Day. The issues centre around the use of the word "apartheid" in the group's name, which people perceive as discriminatory or and anti-Semitic.

The owner of the bicycle photographed stuck in the revolving turnstile at Spadina station has been found by The Star. Turns out Roney Lewis was told not to bring his bike on the subway at rush hour and ended up getting his bike jammed in the one-way gate. Oh, and it took four hours to remove the bike. Yikes.

Grid's Ed Keenan has been chewing on the Ontario chief coroner's recommendation that bike helmets become mandatory for all cyclists. The writer says we should focus on providing more bike infrastructure instead of legislating safety gear.

"Oven-like" conditions could be heading into southern Ontario later today, tomorrow and over the long weekend and Environment Canada says temperatures could hit the high 30s, feeling like even more with the humidity. Yep, that's right, an oven. Toronto should be slightly cooler, with temperatures topping out around 32 degrees.

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Discussion

34 Comments

DS / June 28, 2012 at 09:22 am
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If the private sector thought it could profit from a transit expansion, don't you think it would have stepped forward already Robbo?
Subway Ford / June 28, 2012 at 09:25 am
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Subways! Subways! Subways! [*]





[*] unless it's the lefties' plan
Dave / June 28, 2012 at 09:26 am
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Bloor and Bedford, facing north?
Marc / June 28, 2012 at 09:29 am
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Rob Ford has been saying the Private Sector will pay for things for almost 2 years now.

Lets say I have a billion dollars. What does that even GET me? Can I name a subway line? is that worth a billion dollars to me? I really want someone to explain Ford's logic to me (even if it's broken logic) because I just flat out don't understand where he thinks this money could materialize from, and why.
Chris Bateman replying to a comment from Dave / June 28, 2012 at 09:35 am
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Nope!
yahooo / June 28, 2012 at 09:42 am
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I'm glad toronto hasn't decided to get tired of the transit debate. lets keep this argument going until the end of time!!!!
Welshgrrl replying to a comment from yahooo / June 28, 2012 at 09:45 am
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Yes, and in the meantime nothing will get done amidst the political posturing, and we'll still have the same inadequate, antiquated system only with 10X more people trying to squeeze themselves onto it
Djarman replying to a comment from Marc / June 28, 2012 at 09:51 am
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I think I can help. When Rob Ford says "the private sector" what he really means is "real estate developers." It's quite a simple equation, actually, if you're a developer.

Buy cheap land. Get a local government to provide infrastructure (transportation, water, sewage and fire/medical services), and all of a sudden the land that you own has appreciated in value (because more people want to live there now).

The problem is that real estate developers (many of whom funded Ford's campaign) don't want to pay for anything themselves...because it reduces their profit margin.

This is partly why we see the urban sprawl that we see in Ontario today. The large developers buying up former farmer fields at cheap interest rates and local governments putting in the infrastructure through property taxes. It's led to less biodiversity, more pressure on our transportation systems, and more pollution.

Meanwhile, people who bought cheap houses at low interest rates when gas was thirty cents cheaper now find that they're sitting on the 401 for two hours while expensive gas cuts into their household expenses.

That's a bit of a tangent, though. Simply put, what the developers really want is for all three levels of government to fund a subway so that the land they own along the proposed line will appreciate in value.

There you. Hope that helps.
The Truth / June 28, 2012 at 10:01 am
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"For the owner of the average Toronto home valued at $427,085 the plan would add $45 to the tax bill in 2013, $90 in 2014, $135 in 2015 and $180 in 2016 and beyond. It would be the equivalent of a 1.9-per-cent property-tax hike per year. "


People who LIVE or WORK in this city should have to kick in to pay for this TTC dream.
That means renters and commuters too. Why the fuque is this huge tab only being put on the shoulders of homeowners?

There should be a one time per year charge to every person who lives or earns a paycheque in Toronto. That's fair.

Only homeowners pay? That's bullshit.
Jeremy replying to a comment from The Truth / June 28, 2012 at 10:13 am
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"That means renters and commuters too"

Renters will pay too presumably, when landlords pass some of the additional costs on.

As for commuters, highway tolls :)
Soused replying to a comment from The Truth / June 28, 2012 at 10:20 am
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"Why the fuque is this huge tab only being put on the shoulders of homeowners?"

First of all renters do pay to cover the cost of property taxes, it's in the rent.

Commuters obviously pay for the TTC directly, I spend $115.50 monthly.

At the highest rate the backbreaking amount will be $13.34 or roughly the price of sweet potato fries and a cheap pint. You sir, are a miser.

I think the majority of Toronto residents would gladly pay $13.34 monthly to reduce traffic, smog and commute time. If you own a $400,000 home and can't afford this then maybe a Third Wold country on your pension would suit your needs better. I'll help you pack.


Joe Scratch replying to a comment from Jeremy / June 28, 2012 at 10:20 am
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Road tolls won't work, they will just end up shifting the traffic to non-tolled roads, which will make it much worse. The 401 is such a disaster today simply because the 407 is tolled. Most of the commuters that should be taking the 407 are on the 401 in order to save money.

Best solution is to have a regional sales tax to fund metrolinx, which would oversee construction of regional transit and community specific transit. But this isn't going to happen any time soon.
crc replying to a comment from The Truth / June 28, 2012 at 10:22 am
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Landlords are not going to be doing well if they don't include property tax into the rent they charge their tenants. Just because a tenant doesn't pay property tax directly doesn't mean that they won't be paying as well through regular rent increases.

Now people who live outside the city, but use Toronto services, should also be paying. But that's been an issue for big city services since ...ever.. for every big city. Ask Manhattanites what they think of New Jersey.
canoedave replying to a comment from The Truth / June 28, 2012 at 10:26 am
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Renters in Toronto actually get a bad deal because apartments are considered businesses and taxed at a higher rate and thus part of the reason no one wants to build them whereas condos are taxed at the cheaper residential rate.
canoedave replying to a comment from Djarman / June 28, 2012 at 10:29 am
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It was well reported that Smitherman got most of the corporate Bay St. and Developer money in the election.
observerator replying to a comment from The Truth / June 28, 2012 at 10:29 am
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Rental costs include property taxes. If property taxes increase, landlords increase rent. It may not seem as "direct," but renters do pay their share.
Arturo / June 28, 2012 at 10:32 am
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If you're going to use a tax, it has to be an expiring tax(that expires x years in the future) that will go *solely* for capital costs and not towards eventual operating costs. We don't want politcians and ttc employees getting their mitts on that extra money for other forms of spending. The TTC should stand on its own, and that should be the goal of the citizenry of Toronto.
canoedave replying to a comment from Djarman / June 28, 2012 at 10:39 am
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The Stintz plan is a start but I still don't see where the money comes from as the Province is more than broke and the big issue is too little in operating subsidies from higher levels of government. Great to build it but not so great to go broke running it. But we have to start somewhere and the real shame is that all we have to show for the last 30 years in subways is the Sheppard Stump.
peas / June 28, 2012 at 10:41 am
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haha...renters.

AV replying to a comment from peas / June 28, 2012 at 11:02 am
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haha... owners. Enjoy the bubble *pop*
Landlord / June 28, 2012 at 11:06 am
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Most renters are also cyclists and they don't pay for anything. Total free loaders! I think we should require tenants to have licenses in order to make them pay their fair share. Also they should wear helmets - i am tired of tenants draining our health care system. Perhaps people who own both a house and a car should have access to a VIP transit system (private) so we don't have to mix with the free loading cyclists/renters. That would be much more fair.
Jacob / June 28, 2012 at 11:58 am
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It's kind of pathetic that in order to get any planning done in this city you have to keep it completely secret from the mayor.
Mel / June 28, 2012 at 02:31 pm
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I wonder if anyone has notified Mayor Ford's office about launching a "Save Our Captain John's" campaign. Surely the unilateral and unnecessary action by overzealous bureaucrats with nothing better to do then pick on Captain John requires a response by the mayor that this kind of action will not be tolerated in his city. I could see the mayor regaining much of his political capital by rallying the good Ford Nation and save this icon of the city.
har / June 28, 2012 at 02:56 pm
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Boy, it sure would be fantastic if the RoDoFo's would just resign. They don't have the respect of the majority of council. They refuse to work with anyone who doesn't agree with them completely. They speak a loud game, but can't get any of their ridiculous plans and wishes past a successful council vote. Seriously, that's gotta bruise even an ignorant fool's ego.
mar replying to a comment from Mel / June 28, 2012 at 02:56 pm
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Right but captain john's is gone because the guy doesnt pay taxes. that action isnt really overzealous as much as overdue
Mel replying to a comment from mar / June 28, 2012 at 03:07 pm
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I disagree. He hasn't indicated he won't pay his taxes, it's simply he hasn't got around to paying them. Plus, the Captain lives there. It's his home. Should the city be in the business of adding to the homeless issue?
mar replying to a comment from Mel / June 28, 2012 at 05:02 pm
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should the city be adding to the homeless issue? Are you fucking serious? so the reason to not shut down a high scale restaurant on prime property when the owner has failed to pay more than half a million back taxes is because there is a risk that the owner will be an addition to our homeless problem? give your head a shake.
iSkyscraper / June 28, 2012 at 05:54 pm
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I'll point out that New York used to have a "commuter tax" just to get the people who worked in New York to help pay for the city services they used - police, transit, etc. It was eventually ruled unconstitutional, to the city's chagrin.

Not sure if the Canadian legal system would allow it, but an idea to consider.
Mel replying to a comment from mar / June 28, 2012 at 06:07 pm
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What do you mean Captain John has failed to pay back taxes? That indicates an intention that he will never pay his back taxes which cannot be proven.

That this crass decision has the potential to add to homelessness in Toronto is not the on,y reason that the city needs to cease this ridiculous action. There's the iconic status of the restaurant, the decades-long tradition of great cuisine and the interruption of the Captain's efforts to sell the ship which is a wild overstep into the working of the free market.
Maple leaf / June 28, 2012 at 06:40 pm
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Most people here do not have a clue how the private sector can offset some of the costs of construction. No one argues the need for expansion, but who's going to pay for it? Lets pretend Stintz did not oppose Ford in February, yet then yesterday she came out with this presentation; how many people here would still have supported it? Not many. Why? Because all this is highely political. We want it because we think Ford opposes it. That makes for a very mature discussion. In fact many of criticism is very abt; Who is going to pay for it? Can we trust the TTC to handle such a project? What about going the way we used to and build stations that actually attract development, and are not simply huge monuments? Why is TO paying for it while the 905 will milk off our system?

This also does not address the DRL. The Don Mills line needs to run west of Yonge and become the airport line. We can't have two lines feeding into Yonge. One line passing through Yonge means less people feeding into Yonge. Why is Don Mills an express line? All the dense residential pockets south of Danforth are being ignored. The King streetcar is a joke. So why are we sinking money into a pointless Queens Quay East route, when a properly built DRL could accomplish all this.
Bold Noun replying to a comment from Maple leaf / June 28, 2012 at 08:22 pm
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Respectfully, Maple Leaf, I have to disagree. I think the reason for the opposition to the Ford(s') plan had much less to do with politics than it did with the fact that (t)he(y) had no clear definition of where the funding would come from other than "the private sector". There was no clear proposal (to my knowledge) identifying WHO in the private sector would be providing the funding. It seemed like the idea was "approve now, ask for capital later".

At least with the OneCity plan (also: dumb name. What is gained by omitting the space between words?) the proposed sources of funding have been identified. I'm a Toronto resident (renter! non-car owner! bike rider/transit taker!) who works outside of the city and frankly, I'd be happy to pay a monthly fee for the next X years to get a comprehensive plan like this done.

When I'm in US cities for business (as I happen to be right now) and ask my clients about the best way to get from the downtown area to the airport, they nearly always suggest transit. Boston, Washington DC, Chicago, New York. . .

They're often a little surprised when I tell them that we don't have a subway line to our airport in Toronto. This should be a priority. Sure, I can write off my $50 cab ride home from Pearson, but that's just more cars on the highways and more smog in our city. Toronto needs to be able to move people efficiently and in a cleaner way than we do now. For my money, OneCity gets a whole lot closer than subways built a station at a time with along Eglinton and Sheppard with phantom capital.
Rena / June 29, 2012 at 07:42 am
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QuAIA can do what they want (obviously). I just think it's kind of unfair that as many problems as Israel might have, their treatment of LGBT people is pretty progressive compared to their neighbours. They just had a pride parade in Tel Aviv again and there are gay and drag bars in Jerusalem. Again, I agree it's not perfect, but compare being a queer person in Tel Aviv to being a queer person a few hundred kilometres away in Beirut or Amman?
Simon Tarses replying to a comment from Rena / July 1, 2012 at 01:43 pm
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The fact that Israel has pride parades does not obscure the fact that Israel is doing bad things to the Palestinians, and that has to be dealt with by them.
Graeme / July 3, 2012 at 03:40 pm
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Any chance of getting the answer to "Guess the Intersection?"

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