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Morning Brew: First mayoral debate heated, second Jordan Manners trial, fresh start for Toronto Humane Society, Toronto's gridlock the worst of 19 major cities, manhunt for 401 stabber

Posted by Jennifer Tse / March 30, 2010

Toronto PhotoThe mayoral debate held yesterday in Scarborough's Mary Ward Catholic Secondary School saw candidates George Smitherman and Rocco Rossi at each other's necks. Smitherman attacked Rossi on his idea to use downtown development fees in poorer areas of the city, and Rossi countered by calling him out on the eHealth scandal. But in Smitherman's opinion, a track record like that is better than none at all. Meanwhile, Giorgio Mammoliti sat feeling somewhat lonely facing his six supporters in a roomful of local residents, Joe Pantalone made his plea for LRT, Rob Ford proposed bringing back Julian Fantino as police chief, and Sarah Thomson appeared still not to have awoken from her subway platform fairytale.

After the mistrial declared on Friday in the Jordan Manners case due to deadlocked jury, the Crown announced its intent to proceed with a second trial for the two charged in the 15-year-old's 2007 shooting. Attorney General Chris Bentley had nothing to say on what is being considered an unusual move by Justice Ian Nordheimer. Nordheimer evidently told the court -- but not the jury -- that the two teenage witnesses had undermined the trial by changing their testimonies. The second trial is expected to occur on April 1.

The Toronto Humane Society is seeking court permission to shut its doors for the upheaval of its current less-than-virtuous animal-care practices. The six- to eight-week closure would involve a deep cleaning of the facility, staff retraining, a new computerized system to track animal intake, and other changes. It would end with the building's reopening in June, and is ultimately a promise by the THS to start again fresh. To begin, many of the 200 animals remaining in the shelter would probably be euthanized.

According to a new study by the Toronto Board of Trade, Toronto ranks dead last in a survey of 19 major cities' commute times. An average of 80 minutes per round-trip puts us 24 minutes behind Los Angeles, 12 minutes behind New York, and 32 minutes behind Barcelona. Gridlock is costing us over $5 billion in productivity losses a year, threatening the city's long-term viability, and probably isn't doing much for our long-term health and tempers. An 80-minute commute is just asking for road rage.

And speaking of road rage, police are now on the hunt for 28-year-old John Hoang, who is believed to have repeatedly stabbed a Scarborough driver during yesterday morning's rush hour on the 401. Hoang allegedly followed the victim off the highway, the two yelling at each other as they drove side by side. After they pulled over just north of Sheppard Ave. E., they continued to argue, resulting in the victim's stabbing. Police think it was caused by a small bump between the two cars. Or maybe we could all use a break from sitting behind that wheel.

Photo: "Con Fusion In Chinatown - 'I feel like I am in an alternate dimension and trying to find the way back'" by Metrix X, member of the blogTO Flickr pool.

Discussion

40 Comments

Rob / March 30, 2010 at 09:04 am
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"But in Smitherman's opinion, a track record like that is better than none at all."

How can we expect new candidates (with new ideas) to come forward and make a difference if all we are hung up on is a rather poor track record?

I'm not a Rossi fan but don't preclude him and Sarah Thompson because they don't have a political track record. They deserve the same opportunity to be heard and have their ideas explored.

This city, this election, should be one of new ideas and not the same old crap you get from the Smithermans, Pantalone, etc.
MelS / March 30, 2010 at 09:53 am
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Rob Ford is a nut bar "In March 2007, Ford opposed providing city funds to build bicycle lanes on roads. During the 2007 city budget debate, he said, "I can't support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks. My heart bleeds when someone gets killed, but it's their own fault at the end of the day."[12] At the May 25, 2009 Council meeting to discuss reducing Jarvis St. from five lanes of traffic to four, Ford called cyclists "a pain in the ass" for motorists." Cited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Ford
traffic / March 30, 2010 at 10:06 am
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Toronto ranks worst in traffic, all levels of government refuse to fund the TTC and go transit properly. This is what happens, and will continue to get worse.
hezeus / March 30, 2010 at 10:24 am
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PLEASE EDIT these posts. It's GIORGIO. jesssus. I don't even like the guy, but this is just ridiculous.
gadfly replying to a comment from MelS / March 30, 2010 at 10:28 am
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Thanks for that! Rob Ford just got my vote. Perhaps you missed the point that Toronto has the worst traffic? This is not news: the 401 is the busiest highway in North America. What does that tell you? More bicycle lanes? What a crock.
I work in the condo industry and my clients don't give a rat's ass about bicycle lanes: parking and downtown congestion are what concerns them. Stop using tax dollars on silly socialist causes du jour and let's get on with the infrastructure building in this city.
John / March 30, 2010 at 10:35 am
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You wasscally socialists. err I mean communists.
Derek replying to a comment from hezeus / March 30, 2010 at 10:37 am
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Correction made. Although rare, once in a while a post will go live without the benefit of copy editing. It was an honest mistake, and I wouldn't label that "ridiculous." We do, however, appreciate it being brought to our attention.
Carbonman / March 30, 2010 at 10:40 am
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Hey Gadfly, nice to know you'll be wasting your vote on Mel Lastman 2.0 aka Rob Ford. Good luck with that.
Alexander / March 30, 2010 at 10:45 am
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I lived and worked in northern Virginia a few years back, and Washington has worse traffic. Suburban sprawl is the problem, toll roads and better transit is the solution. For the cost of a $5 rush-hour toll, drivers would get a lot more than $5 of their time back. Putting money into transit will take cars off the road which will make life easier for drivers. Regional transit is all very well, but if it takes time to get around downtown, dumping people at Union Station isn't great.
Mike replying to a comment from MelS / March 30, 2010 at 11:04 am
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Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of Rob Ford, but I can't say I disagree with him on the issue of bike lines. You can talk about reducing emissions and going green all day long, but the fact of the matter is that they simply aren't practical.
Jacob replying to a comment from gadfly / March 30, 2010 at 11:18 am
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Perhaps we need less overpriced condos, then?
agentsmith replying to a comment from Jacob / March 30, 2010 at 11:51 am
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So more sprawling subdivisions out in the environs would be better? No, more condos in the core is a good thing, it gives that many more people the option of taking transit instead of driving in on the highways. But they are overpriced.
CD / March 30, 2010 at 12:06 pm
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Are they really going to cull 200 animals because the THS wants to start fresh?

How are they going to start fresh if they just culled all the creatures?
gadfly / March 30, 2010 at 12:24 pm
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There is nothing green about thousands of idling cars, waiting in gridlock. Tolls simply won't fly because there are no alternate routes here. If they toll the DVP, you'd better sell your house along O'Connor or Bayview because the traffic will be horrendous. The 401 is the busiest highway in North America because Eglinton, Lawrence, Wilson, Sheppard, etc. are all 4 lanes, choked with parked vehicles - there are no other options.
It amazes me how myopic people are with respect to 'motorists' and 'commuters.' When the Gardiner is stopped on a Saturday afternoon, or Christmas Day, these are not commuters. With all the condo towers downtown, traffic is stopped in BOTH directions now. It doesn't matter which side of the 'transit versus motorist' debate you are on, Ford is bang on about the cyclists in this city -they are a tiny, tiny minority and they have been given far too much clout at City Hall. It is time for a regime change.
keven replying to a comment from MelS / March 30, 2010 at 12:28 pm
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"Roads are built for buses, cars, and trucks"

How is this statement not true? Bikes are a fairly new invention. The horse and buggy (the old time cars and trucks) have been around for centuries, roads were built for these vehicles.

I mean bikes didn't even start getting popular in North America until the 60s.
Daniel / March 30, 2010 at 01:23 pm
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The traffic study is a f*cking crock. Just compare the size of Toronto to Barcelona. Barcelona is around 110km2 with a population density of 16,500/km2. Toronto is 630km2 with a population density of just 4,000/km2. That is just Toronto; when you take into account Metro Toronto, the size is over 7,000km2. YOU CANNOT EVEN COMPARE THE TWO. Toronto is probably the largest city on that list in terms of area.

A much larger city will invariably take longer to get around. Add to that the relatively low density numbers (the fault of bad city plannnig and urban sprawl), what can you expect?

Total piece of sh*t study comparing apples to oranges.

P.S. F*ck bikes. They are for kids and riding off-road.
Alogon replying to a comment from gadfly / March 30, 2010 at 02:23 pm
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"my clients don't give a rat's ass about bicycle lanes: parking and downtown congestion are what concerns them". I find this statement hard to believe. Not only has my own experience in real estate proven that to be misleading but it seems strange that the very people buying living space in the downtown are concerned about congestion but all want to drive cars and have parking. Maybe someone should explain to them the physics of the situation. If you buy a condo on a 4 lane downtown street amongst all the other condos on the same street or nearby and the roads are widened (because they can't be due to all the development, e.g. condos) that putting more cars (which according to you they all want to own) on that 4 lane street leads to gridlock.
I don't believe that all these condo dwellers don't care about better transit and bike lanes. Most of them bought downtown so they could get to work easier and be in the middle of all the the action (and they paid a premium for it) so they wouldn't have to drive everywhere and so they could walk/cycle places.
Alogon replying to a comment from keven / March 30, 2010 at 02:44 pm
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"Bikes are a fairly new invention" what planet are you from? Bicycles predate cars, trucks and buses.
Ridiculous. You can't call a horse and carriage an "old-time car or truck" just to fit your theory. If a horse and carriage is an "old-time car or truck" then a bicycle is an "old-time motorcycle or scooter" and then, by your reasoning, one of the vehicles the road was built for.
Here is a little education for you - the League of American Wheelman lobbied for better roads (they were mostly dirt or cobblestone) in 1880, predating the auto, and literally paving the road for the automobile.
Alogon replying to a comment from Alogon / March 30, 2010 at 02:46 pm
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The League of American Wheelman were cyclists. And, incidentally, the same type of group that gadfly thinks have been given too much clout at City Hall. Seems if we had gadfly's reasoning in the 19th century there might not be ANY paved roads.
Daniel replying to a comment from Alogon / March 30, 2010 at 03:25 pm
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...pretty soon there will not be any money to pave roads if we keep bending over for cyclists.

Seriously though, bikes are anti-family (cant move your family around or go shopping) and ani-social. If tomorrow 100% of people turned to bicycles as their sole means of transportation, nothing would get done. Except maybe a lot of weed would get delivered.

Bike lanes are for single people who can arrive at their job (if they even have one) with dirty pants and smelling sweaty.
Eric S. Smith replying to a comment from gadfly / March 30, 2010 at 03:59 pm
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"Stop using tax dollars on silly socialist causes du jour and let's get on with the infrastructure building in this city."

Classic! When the city paints a line on a street to make it slightly less terrifying to use a bike, it's a Commie Plot. When the city flattens a neighbourhood to build an expressway, it's Freedom.
Alogon replying to a comment from Daniel / March 30, 2010 at 04:28 pm
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I can't agree that bikes are "anti-family". My most cherished childhood memories are of my dad transporting me in a bicycle child seat that connects to the back of a bike and, when I was older, riding with my parents along the Martin Goodman trail. Bike riding has also been enjoyed with some of my more cycle-friendly girlfriends and we have a blast.
I rode to work for 3 years solid and never smelled bad (believe me, I would have heard about it if I had) and there are showers in the building which are used by the people who workout at lunch in the gym. The people who cycle to work (and there are many here) don't find they need the shower since they aren't sweaty enough or smelly enough to require it.
Alogon replying to a comment from Daniel / March 30, 2010 at 04:33 pm
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"pretty soon there will not be any money to pave roads if we keep bending over for cyclists" not only is this absurd but, if you read my previous post, you would realize that "bending over for cyclists" is a major factor in the actual paving of roads in the first place.
It is so obvious that the anti-cycle crowd on here has nothing but tired, cliches that have been disproven over and over or arguments that lack any substance and are nothing more than knee-jerk reactions based on ignorance and fear (of what I have no idea). I have seen nothing that backs up what these jokers are saying, they just want to hate a group for whatever reason their little brains can conceive. Seriously, if there is only "a small minority" of cyclists as the anti-cycle crowd loves to spout, then how they be causing so many problems on the road for the motorists? If there are only a few people riding bikes in the city, the chances of you encountering one would be extremely small. SO either they are full of shit or there are many more cyclists than they care to admit.
AV replying to a comment from Alogon / March 30, 2010 at 05:03 pm
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Lets go with... they're full of shit.
hbr / March 30, 2010 at 05:29 pm
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Not to offend any side here or make untoward suggestions, but i wonder what percentage of hardcore cyclists actually pay things like property and business taxes...I say this because cyclists seem to always argue that they are taxpayers and deserve to be on the road too...
pdalep / March 30, 2010 at 05:45 pm
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How about Licence plates & validation stickers for bikes. You know, user fee. Besides, I been hit as a pedestrian. Screwed my arm. I had nothing to write down. Where is the Liability? I extend this question to those new battery-powered scooter wanna-be bikes. Can't even hear those coming, but they move fast.

I'm not saying charge as must as cars. But lets get something down on paper.
Eric S. Smith replying to a comment from hbr / March 30, 2010 at 07:09 pm
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"i wonder what percentage of hardcore cyclists actually pay things like property and business taxes..."

How would they avoid paying property tax? Unless they use the city's roads while living outside of its borders, but that's surely more in the purview of motorists.
Jacob replying to a comment from Daniel / March 30, 2010 at 07:32 pm
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How in the world are bikes "anti-social"?

You're telling me all those drivers sitting in their isolated vehicular capsules with the music turned-up loud are being social?

If anything, bikes are he social mode of transportation. You can smile and wave, and pull over and talk to someone without holding-up traffic.
Daniel replying to a comment from Jacob / March 30, 2010 at 08:38 pm
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They are anti-social, in the literal sense, as in they would bring down society if too many people used them. Nothing would get done on rainy days.

Lets be honest, bikes are meant for kids and recreation. They are not a reliable source of transport for 99% of the population in the GTA.

I fully support licensing both bikes and riders. They have to be accountable if they are going to use the road. Mark my words: Someone will die sooner or later at the hands of a cyclist...and then what? I guarantee when that happens the licensing will come fast. I hope this topic comes up during the mayoral race (although the cry-baby media will make sure its political suicide for the proponents of it).
gadfly replying to a comment from Eric S. Smith / March 31, 2010 at 07:46 am
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Oh, get stuffed! Really. There are currently over 3,500 condo units under construction or planned for Liberty Village - and that just after the f'ing city deliberately narrowed Strachan and put in an empty bicycle lane. Just for fun you cycling nazis, let's watch the fun in Liberty Village over the next 3 or 4 years as all those buildings come onstream. That could be a new board game. You can't even drive along East Liberty NOW, let alone after all these buildings are built!
I have worked in various projects downtown in both the sales end and now the management end, and you can bet that I am mobilizing my colleagues (who are already bewildered and baffled by what the city is doing) to stop this madness. Things like the Front Street extension MUST go through before we reach a tipping point and the people of means say 'screw this city' and start moving out enmasse.
gadfly replying to a comment from Jacob / March 31, 2010 at 07:51 am
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Ha, ha - you'd like the world to believe that, wouldn't you? Well, the darting fantatics I see along Adelaide and Richmond every day certainly don't look like they are shopping and out to socialize. No, they cut across lanes, go up the wrong way on a 1 way street, run red lights (I mean completely go through the red, not just run a yellow like your hated motorists do), totally constrict a desperately needed lane, forcing 20 or 30 motorists (gasp! the hated word) to squeeze around them...this is just a joke.
There's no point in debating this to the bicycle lobby. They feel that they should have a lane to themself, no matter how many people are inconvenienced behind them.
Every day that I travel along Jarvis, I wonder what would possess someone to willingly want to use a roadway that car (and much more dangerous trucks!) speed along, if not just to prove a point that this is MY road. These guys should be given a psyche exam! They are clearly suicidal - and stupid.

Let's remember the one important number from this study: SEVENTY PERCENT. Not a single majority government in history has been won with that degree of mandate.
gadfly replying to a comment from Alogon / March 31, 2010 at 07:58 am
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And that says it all...sure, I loved going for walks along the side of the road with my dad, near our place north of King City when I was five or six, but my most cherished memories were of my dad trying out my uncle's new '71 Corvette along Keele St south of Maple when it was fresh asphalt and had been widened to 4 lanes - at 100 mph.
You may prefer to dawdle along at 20 km/hr, with all the time in the world, but some people actually have places to go in life. Business cannot be conducted on a bicycle! If I have a meeting in Thornhill, then have to be at Evans/Kipling for a luncheon - can that be done by bike? Or even TTC? You're killing me, here.
And just to blow your top, I remember coming down to visit my great Aunt (who lived at Queen/Bathurst area) and seeing Toronto from the 427/QEW ramp for the first time - spectacular.
Fond memories from a bicycle - yeah, mine when I was a kid! But, hey, keep the chuckles coming.
keven replying to a comment from Alogon / March 31, 2010 at 08:49 am
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No, but roads were made for them, not bikes. Thick much?
keven replying to a comment from Alogon / March 31, 2010 at 08:50 am
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"Here is a little education for you - the League of American Wheelman lobbied for better roads (they were mostly dirt or cobblestone) in 1880, predating the auto, and literally paving the road for the automobile."

So your claim is that roads were invented in 1880? You need to get off your bike and into a history book. I don't recall seeing bikes in the roman empire.
pdalep replying to a comment from gadfly / March 31, 2010 at 09:21 pm
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I agree 100% GADFLY. The narrowed Strachan is a joke. I drove a delivery truck up and down that street, all day long for years. Hardly ever saw a bike! Then suddenly they narrowed the street for bikes. Now every one sits in line as the none-bikes go by.

On the other hand, I find Harbord Street to be an excellent example of where a bike lane works well for both cars and bikes.

Its all about being selective. Too bad the city is run by fools.
hypatia replying to a comment from keven / April 3, 2010 at 11:55 am
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Wow, dense much? How about reading the freaking quote that you actually copied into your own reply. "Lobbied for BETTER roads" emphatically means that there were roads to begin with.

But I do have to thank you. Your complete reading comprehension FAIL explains a heck of a lot of comments on this site.
Alogon replying to a comment from gadfly / April 5, 2010 at 11:22 am
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Chuckles, huh? Yeah, I guess my fond memories from childhood were within the limits of the law. 100 mph? No road in Canada is that legal on.
But for your information, I get around on a bike downtown faster than a car and I have confirmed this in timed trials. All while obeying the laws of the road.
Your ridiculous examples are so laughable. Did I ever suggest someone who has to go across the city for meetings ride a bike? NO! We are talking about downtown and since you quickly realize you point is nonsense you expand it to include the entire GTA. I am surprised you didn't suggest a situation about someone going to a meeting in Montreal from Mississauga.
And business can be done a bike, some couriers do it all the time.
Oh, how is that stretch of Keele now since it has been widened to 4 lanes? Gridlocked now anyways, so what's the solution according to you? Widen to 8 lanes?
Alogon replying to a comment from gadfly / April 5, 2010 at 11:37 am
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You can hardly drive down East Liberty now? What the hell are you talking about? I know you usually bring up stuff that is irrelevant and disingenuous but that is a flat out lie. East Liberty is more than navigable in rush hour let alone any other time. That may change when the condos are built whether it's 3,500 units or less (I know better that to count units "planned" as that means nothing until shovels are in the ground) but right now it is fine.
As for people "moving out en masse", if that were the likely outcome would people still be snapping up overpriced condos and houses in this city? You make a case about all the new units and people who bought them and then cry about people gearing up to leave in frustration. Which is it? I can't see all these people lining up to buy your condos if there was a chance of flight from the city. They would certainly stand to lose property value. What are the people with means going to do? Move further away from where they have to work and have more headache? C'mon, make sense.
keven replying to a comment from hypatia / April 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm
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Are you following the comment trail? Detecting the sarcasm? That might lead you to your conclusion... As that is EXACTLY what I'm saying :P I'm being facetious and asking a rhetorical question to the ridiculous response I got from the person I'm responding to. Or did you miss all that?
hypatia replying to a comment from keven / April 6, 2010 at 10:38 pm
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So you are asking facetious questions of ignorance and making idiotic statements because you want to pester people because why exactly? It's not like you just decided to get sarcastic at the end there because nothing that you have stated on this thread that was not ridiculous.

And yes from reading the comments the only possible explanation I could up with for you was "ignorant" but I've been corrected. Apparently you were actually going for a thread theme of "bloody annoying troll".

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