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<title>Larry S</title>
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Nick S,

First let me say that I'm all for eating meat. Your argument for human health by way of eating meat is, however, quite flawed. 

If you look at the archaeological record of the "primitive people" you so vaguely refer, they're bones do not generally show much disease or other stress indicators. That means they were healthier, right? Not necessarily; it may be that the diseases that killed them (assuming that they died not from human conflict) moved so quickly that they did not have time to cause bone infections, abscesses, etc., i.e. the kinds of things that are evident in a bone record. These early peoples may not have been healthy enough to fight off such diseases for any length of time.

Along comes increased agricultural practices (read: domestication of both plants and animals) and the formation of highly complex  civilizations, and the archaeological record becomes filled with bones that show the effects of all sorts of diseases. This is because agricultural practices made them more more unhealthy, right?  It is not likely. These individuals were healthy enough to fight off of the diseases for an extended period of time such that these diseases had time to affect their bones. Put another way, they were healthy enough to live with diseases that may have killed off earlier peoples much more quickly. The preceding is a paraphrase of something called the osteological paradox; go check it out for more info.

Off course there are many factors when determining human health; diet is just one. Genetic make-up and environmental factors are two other significant factors that come quickly to mind. This point also serves to undermine your position that eating meat is large determining factor for health. Since you have not not shown cause and effect, the correlation between meat consumption and over all health may only be a spurious one.   

The large point here is that using the human record, as way to make the claim that eating meat equals health, in that way that you have, shows a real lack of understanding of the complexities and nuances of said record. 

My own opinion on the matter is that vegetarians can be just a healthy as any one else. It just takes a balanced and well thought out diet; much in the same manner that any meat eater can maintain his or her health through diet.  ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c721633</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:59:36 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Nick K</title>
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Vegetarianism is the most unhealthy diet one can possibly eat.  The human body is designed to eat a variety of meats and veggies, however trying to survive on veggies alone will get you sick, and or kill you eventually.  Curious?  Just study the way our ancestors lived hundreds and thousands of years ago, the evidence speaks for itself.  Dont get fooled into, red meat is bad for you, this is cruelty, this is that and blah blah blah...  Look at all the primitive peoples throughout history, they were the HEALTHIEST people that ever lived on this planet when they were studied, and guess what?  NONE of them were vegetarians!  OPEN YOUR EYES!]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c709969</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:16:31 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Dave</title>
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While I like the idea of the Healthy Butcher, its execution leaves a lot to be desired. Its organic produce, at least the stuff I've looked at, comes from thousands of miles away -- not exactly "healthy" in the good-for-the-planet sense of the word. Its meat, despite the jaw-dropping price, is indifferent --  especially the cold cuts, which have been stale and dry every time I've tried them. And, most damningly for me, its staff has the unfortunate tendency to ignore its customers. Add to that the pushy and obnoxious clientele, and you've got very little to enter the place, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see it lasting much longer at its present location.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c607740</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:40:02 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Beefed off</title>
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where,s the beef. I like vegetables but,I like them better with a BIG JUICY STEAK. If your a vegetarian then good for you. But please mind your own business and leave my steaks alone.
  You enjoy your veggies ,steamed or with lots of butter,and I will enjoy my steak medium rare. In my house its beef 24/7
 m m m m m m good.
   So BON APETIT]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c578021</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:44:16 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Kevin</title>
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There is lots of room for all of God's creatures on this wonderful earth..........................Right beside the peas and the mashed potatoes.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c538123</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:11:41 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Anna</title>
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Not impressed with the fact that the wedge of cheese I bought had an expiry date several weeks past due.  I didn't discover this till I got home, I wouldn't expect that a store with this type of image and price range would have expired products in their dairy section. The other stuff I bought was okay, ham was way too salty, meatballs so-so.  Not worth the money.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c496485</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:54:20 PST</pubDate>
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<title>Michelle</title>
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I stopped being a vegetarian because it became ridiculous and bad for my health. Now I eat wild fish, elk (and caribou, when it's available and I have enough cash) and, as much as possible, locally grown, organic fruits and veggies and when not possible, free-trade. I have been to the Healthy Butcher on Eglinton though. It's pretty expensive to get decent product there. I strongly reccomend St. Lawrence Market. There's a man there who has his own elk farm (grass-fed) and has a much better selection of game for a much better price. The fish across the way is also fantastic.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c469544</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:16:11 PST</pubDate>
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<title>sean</title>
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Neat pastries.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c298479</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:59:56 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>apetimberlake</title>
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Great to see a local business with amazing product grow.

I eat vegitarians]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c291185</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:59:59 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Peter</title>
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I had a discussion about grassfed meat at The Healthy Butcher this past weekend at there grand opening on Eglinton... I think I was talking to the owner.  Anyway, he pushes 100% grassfed as much as possible for several reasons - because that's what the animals were meant to eat, and the health benefits - low in fat, high in Omega 3s and EFA.  They carry Elk, Beef, Bison, Pork and even cornish hen that are 100% pasture raised.  At this time of the year though (spring), there's a lot less grass fed meat in the shop because he says that eating dead hay during the winter is not the same as eating fresh pasture, so they choose to let the majority of those animals graze during spring and part of summer before they start to carry a lot more grass fed meat - healthier and tastier.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c289375</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:14:25 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Torontovore</title>
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I'm more concerned with The Healthy Butcher's use of the deceptive 'pasture raised' phrase since all beef is initially pasture raised. Look and ask for '100% grass-fed' which means the animal ate fresh pasture grass in the summer and only hay, not grain, during the winter.

BTW I have as much ethical and emotional trouble when I pick a young healthy lettuce plant out of my garden and eat it alive, as to when I hunt and kill grouse and deer for my own food needs.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c289208</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:47:08 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Gloria</title>
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Eh, I'm comfortable with my lifestyle. 

Mmm, burgers! I feel like Hitler for cows!]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c289083</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:48:41 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>A|Layton</title>
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Good god people.

Is it possible for this website to have a single review of a butcher or meat focused restaurant and not have it turn into a debate on vegetarianism vs. not vegetarianism (or murder vs. not murder if you will)?!

People eat meat and people don't.  Posting a review of this shop is not a sinister method of forcing one to eat meat, nor is a review of a vegan restaurant or grocery store a sly way of illustrating how 'barbaric' those that eat meat are.  This is a public website trying to provide a democratic view of the food options in this city.  Enough said.

Leave the debates and picketing to something more worth while, like the mayors latest idiotic idea to get rid of the gardiner or the TTC's lack of service.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c289051</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:05:22 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>soren</title>
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HA ethically sourced meats. You're complicit in animal cruelty when you eat animals. Fullstop.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c289036</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:12:52 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rex</title>
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moo...]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c288904</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:14:34 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Laura Rose</title>
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Providing consumers with locally and ethically sourced meats hardly warrants the designation of murder. Calling it murder cheapens the word and the brutal severity of human cruelty. This is especially true given the atrocities committed in the name of rampant consumerism, which most of us -- vegetarian or otherwise -- are inevitably complicit in through our reliance on conflict-ridden products.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c288901</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:52:53 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Baron</title>
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Tasty, tasty murder.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c288899</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:33:04 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>morissey</title>
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meat is murder]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com//2008/06/the_healthy_butcher/#c288881</link>
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<category>Toronto, </category>
<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:20:38 PDT</pubDate>
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