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<title>Ben</title>
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<blockquote> . . . they account for five percent of our urban smog. Throw in some pesticides, and you've got a paradox - what's supposed to be a backyard nature oasis is polluting and poisoning our environment.</blockquote> It is not a paradox.  It's just a contradiction, and you spotted it.  Back yards aren't natural.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/04/mow_down_pollution/#c277188</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:16:02 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Tatiana</title>
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"But I take your point that electric lawnmowers are preferable, if only because by upgrading the power plant (say to nuclear or hydroelectric) one can immediately "upgrade" the efficiency of all the lawnmowers."

That too, of course.  In fact, the majority of Ontario's electricity (over 70%) already comes from nuclear and hydroelectric plants, and not from burning fossil fuels.

http://www.energy.gov.on.ca/index.cfm?fuseaction=english.electricity]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/04/mow_down_pollution/#c277176</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:53:10 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Tatiana</title>
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"Well, in general, thermodynamics says it's *less* efficient to burn fossil fuel, convert the output to electricity, transmit that electricity over a considerable distance, use that electricity to charge a chemical cell, then use the electric potential of that cell to power your lawnmower versus just burning fossil fuel to power your lawnmower."

This is not at all clear.  The burning process in a power plant is very different from that in a lawn mower.  Thus burning fossil fuel in a power plant and burning the same amount of fossil fuel in your lawn mower can result in drastically different outputs of *useful* energy.  The difference can be great enough to more than compensate for extra losses of energy during the conversion to electricity, transmission of said electricity and so on.  The efficiency of each method is not easy to estimate, since actual figures are hard to obtain, but David Suzuki believes power plants to be more efficient, and I tend to trust that guy when it comes to environmental issues, unless presented with evidence that contradicts his statements.
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/about_us/Dr_David_Suzuki/Article_Archives/weekly05090301.asp  ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/04/mow_down_pollution/#c277174</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:49:03 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Diane</title>
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"However, it is far more efficient and less polluting to produce that energy via a power plant rather than by burning gasoline in a primitive engine."

Well, in general, thermodynamics says it's *less* efficient to burn fossil fuel, convert the output to electricity, transmit that electricity over a considerable distance, use that electricity to charge a chemical cell, then use the electric potential of that cell to power your lawnmower versus just burning fossil fuel to power your lawnmower.

But I take your point that electric lawnmowers are preferable, if only because by upgrading the power plant (say to nuclear or hydroelectric) one can immediately "upgrade" the efficiency of all the lawnmowers.
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/04/mow_down_pollution/#c277164</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:23:14 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Tatiana</title>
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> Aren't "most lawnmowers" 4-stroke gas engines these days?

The modern ones are, but a lot of people are still using older models.  You can exchange an older two-stroke one for a four-stroke one as part of the program.

> And electric mowers are not very green either. Somebody
> else has to burn the fossil fuel to generate the
> electricity you're using.

Obviously electric ones still do require energy.  However, it is far more efficient and less polluting to produce that energy via a power plant rather than by burning gasoline in a primitive engine.

Also, electric ones do not contribute as much to noise pollution, which is also a serious environmental problem that affects our health, though too often it is still viewed as a mere nuisance.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/04/mow_down_pollution/#c277151</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:28:24 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Diane</title>
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Aren't "most lawnmowers" 4-stroke gas engines these days?

And electric mowers are not very green either. Somebody else has to burn the fossil fuel to generate the electricity you're using.

Push mowers, however, are well worth looking into. (If only they hadn't gotten so expensive in the past couple of years!)]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/04/mow_down_pollution/#c277150</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:00 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>lawnmowerman</title>
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Electric mowers are a great alternative, wired or wireless. Those human-powered push mowers are surprisingly expensive, though.  ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/04/mow_down_pollution/#c276962</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:52:14 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Tatiana</title>
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> Throw in some pesticides? Um, it's illegal in Toronto, 
> isn't it?

According to the city website:"The City of Toronto has banned the use of pesticides in most circumstances, but it has not banned pesticides entirely."  But you are right, things are certainly better in Toronto pesticide-wise thanks to the by-law, though I have no information on how strictly it is enforced (there are obvious difficulties in trying to enforce a bylaw of this kind).]]>
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<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:02:19 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Sean</title>
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Throw in some pesticides? Um, it's illegal in Toronto, isn't it?

I don't like a gas mower simply because it's too loud and smells up the garage. Electric does the job better.

The push and pull kind? Get a goat, it's less stressful.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/04/mow_down_pollution/#c276857</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:55:36 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Sam</title>
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Wow that's a lot of pollution, I had no idea. I need a powerful engine since I don't have the typical backyard, but I'll definately be giving Home Depot a look, thank you.]]>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:32:48 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>aahhrrgg</title>
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Somehow, I feel a lot less guilty about driving 500 kilometers.]]>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:08:44 PDT</pubDate>
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