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<title>Chris Conway</title>
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Red light Camera Tickets

Do not go on the drivers driving record, (drivers abstract)
Do not go to your insurance company
Will NOT affect your insurance rates
No record is kept of the charge
The charge is a fine only, of 180 dollars
If you go to court they will normally reduce the charge from 180 to about 50 dollars on a guilty plea.
Have the same weight as a parking ticket

If you have any other questions about red light camera tickets you can call OTT Legal for free advise.  ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c641969</link>
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<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:36:31 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>bramptonguy</title>
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red light camera ticket is it legal in brampton,ontario?
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c609296</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c609296</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:37:45 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>SAM SOMAYAJI</title>
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I was following a tractor trailer on Lakeshore blvd ( W ) at a speed of less than 30kms / hour and maintained a safe distance from the truck. The lights turned red and I was in the intersection
but did not pass the intersection fully. There was enough space for a car from the other lane to turn right which one car did. I noticed camera lights flashing. Will I in this case get a ticket.
Will appreciate if someone could answer my question so that in the future I could be more careful to avoid this kind of a situation.
Thanks
Sam]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c576883</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c576883</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:19:20 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>OTTLegal.com</title>
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A cyclist has to identify themselves to an officer, if they dont they can be arrested until the officer determines who they are.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c301550</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c301550</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:49:38 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Chris Conway</title>
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Having looked at many of the pictures from the red light cameras in Toronto, I havent seen any where there is was a blocked licence plate come through.  The 407 has a specific law for obstructing the plate and avoiding the 407 cameras.  The only law that would apply in the city is for obstructing the licence plate, but it normal has to be completely obstructed, not just for the cameras.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c298554</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c298554</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:53:22 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>No Points Traffic Tickets Toronto</title>
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Check out www.nopointstraffictickets.com
contact: Tel: 416-322-2874, Toll Free: 1-866-928-0899.
We can answer any questions in regards to fines and demerit points.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c292588</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c292588</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:12:55 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Traffic Ticket Toronto</title>
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Cyclists don't have the right to go through them persay. Fines are given, and if they are stoped and present their licence demerit points are also taken. Its just cops for the most part aren't told by their supervisors to care too much. They don't have a licence, and really don't need ID on them and how can you give a ticket to some guy on a bike with no ID? ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c279891</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c279891</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:34:12 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Sean</title>
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Hmm.  Cyclist must obey the same laws as drivers yet they're the ones that go through red lights and stop signs, followed by the sound of cars screeching not to hit those morons or the sound of car horns to warn the cyclist of their infractions.

If I ever get caught going through a red light I will fight it as I have the same rights as cyclists - to go right through them.  Of course I won't, but the idea of turning left, then the light turns amber, then pedestrian think it's their right to walk through a flashing red hand but insist on walking as fast as their pet snail, the the motorist finally turns then get dinged because the light turned red.  Is that my fault?]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c276115</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c276115</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:49:09 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Serb</title>
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nope, no they wouldn't... 407 cameras work a bit different, and the spray won't really work on them that easily (ok, it will fool the camera itself, but they will also have a picture taken for manual processing, which happens because those cameras are not perfect and they make mistakes all the time), which means that nobody can tell if you have something on your license plate preventing the camera from identifying it or not - they'll just attribute it to a weird angle of the shot, camera not being able to snap it properly, etc, etc (ie. technology limitations).

Think motorcycles on 407 - those cameras can't ID their plates because they are different size and are on a different height than the ones on cars, so most of those get processed manually.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c276050</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c276050</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:46:26 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>megan</title>
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Serb - yeah, I wasn't thinking it would be a good idea to use it to avoid 407 charges, just that if you used it for red light, what would you do if you went on the 407, because then they would know you'd sprayed something on it, because of the 'actual people' you mentioned.  ;)]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c275057</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c275057</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:06:17 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Serb</title>
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megan, I am not sure of "legal" consequences, but as far as I can tell from all the laws I've seen and read through, your license plates cannot be modified in any way in order to "hide" the actual numbers/letters on them or have them appear less visible (that's why those plastic covers have been "outlawed"). I can't say how the spray would hold in court, as nobody can really tell anything has been sprayed on the plates, other than you of course.

And avoiding 407 cameras? Not a good idea... again, this is something to be used to avoid dumb red light camera charges, not avoid paying highway tolls. And even if you tried, they have a team of actual people (gasp!) going through all the camera shots of cars whose plates could not be identified by the system itself, and they will get a hold of you... sure, with a few months delay, but still, they will get a hold of you and ask for their money.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c275053</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c275053</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:53:18 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>megan</title>
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Serb - I dunno.  Seems kinda shady to me.  I wonder what would happen on the 407 if you didn't have a transponder.  Would they track you down based on the make and model of your car and the partial license plate info they could get?  

I imagine this isn't legal, right?  The theory is that no one can tell it's sprayed in person, it has to be on camera?  So, what would be the consequences of being caught?  Anyone have any idea?]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c275033</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c275033</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:53:37 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Serb</title>
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Well, I don't worry about red light cameras anymore (and haven't since, what, late 2005) - ever since I heard of www.photoblocker.com and their red light camera license blocking spray few years ago.

I've done that 1.3 second right turn once, got caught by a camera, fought the $180 ticket and reduced it down to $80 or so, but even then, that was just b.s. cash grab... 

So, I looked around, and finding that plate spray was a blessing - for mere $30 I had both of my cars' plates covered, and I don't worry about those damn cameras anymore (haven't gotten a ticket on any of the cameras since).

Sure, I would not suggest you getting one of these if you're a reckless driver, but for someone like me who's so-so safe driver (hey, I'm not perfect), it's a great stress reliever...]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c275032</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c275032</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 08:44:07 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>megan</title>
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Sameer - okay, that's just gross.  "hey guys, you know what would be a good idea?  let's put people's lives at risk so we can make more money, good idea no?"

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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274942</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274942</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:20:13 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Sameer Vasta</title>
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As long as Toronto doesn't go the route of some US cities and <a href="http://www.leftlanenews.com/six-us-cities-tamper-with-traffic-cameras-for-profit.html">tamper the length of the amber cycle</a> just to make some more money.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274836</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274836</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:34:11 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>megan</title>
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Diane raises a good point.  bad design can be fatal.  in a fit of optimism i'd like to believe that some of the purpose of the red light cameras is to further gauge the issue and see where to focus resources to make improvements to the design of those intersections.  (okay, you can all stop laughing now, you never know, it could be possible...  *grin*)]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274824</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274824</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:15:23 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Diane</title>
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There is indeed a small percentage of drivers stupid enough to run red lights on a regular basis. Eventually they accumulate enough demerits and fender-benders to lose their license and/or go to jail. 

BUT if there is an intersection where a disproportionate number of cars are running red lights, then the issue is with that intersection's design.

For example, in some intersections the lights are hidden by billboards or trees or around blind corners, so that a driver coming into view of an amber light can have no way of knowing if that light has been amber for 2 seconds or 20 seconds. Jam on the brakes and risk a rear-end collision or sail through? There's no way of knowing. There are also some intersections where the amber light is unusually short, to the point that even a car travelling at the speed limit (it does happen) must brake unsafely to avoid entering the intersection on the red.

Red light cameras have a minor utility in the fist case; but if the city really cared about making intersections safer they would be better off spending our money to fix the second case.
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274822</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274822</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:08:23 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Sameer Vasta</title>
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I think the majority of the people that are getting caught at red light cameras are not people speeding through the red light, but the people turning right that don't come to a complete stop for two seconds before turning right on red. Not that I condone that activity, but most of us forget that you need to stop for two full seconds, and if the camera catches you turning after 1.3 seconds stopped, you're getting that ticket.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274820</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274820</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:03:02 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>megan</title>
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Ross - here your insurance covers other drivers, if the driver is insured on another vehicle i believe it's their insurance that takes care of things, but otherwise it's your own.

Ryan - point taken.  I don't for a second think that running a red by accident is acceptable, my point about running a red by accident was actually just that if someone did that they probably wouldn't know they did, and so not know that it had resulted in a ticket sent to the owner of the car, so the owner of the car gets the consequence of the person not paying attention.



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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274814</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274814</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:33:45 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Ryan L.</title>
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I've been hit by a car while walking when a taxi cab failed to notice a red light.  Not hard mind you, but hard enough to have zero sympathy for drivers who fail to notice a red light.

Not paying attention while driving is JUST AS BAD as people who purposely run red lights.  Either action can kill someone.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274806</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/city/2008/04/green_light_green_light_red_light_camera/#c274806</guid>
<category>Toronto, City</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:59:24 PDT</pubDate>
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