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<title>blogTO Recent Comments: Earth Hour Toronto 2008: Pass or Fail?</title>
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<title>Matt</title>
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K sorry Jerold. You're not that bad... but seriously stop whining.
That post was meant for "this is dumb".]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c276588</link>
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<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:20:46 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Matt</title>
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Hey Jerrold.
SHUT THE HELL UP!
If you don't want to help out, that's fine. But don't go whining about it on here then. This was not meant to lower consumption. Its purpose was to raise awareness about the whole problem that we currently have on our hands. So if you wanna whine, can it. We don't want to hear it.

In conclusion,
FUCK OFF]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c276587</link>
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<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:18:38 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Rob</title>
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Well I still see this as more of a great campaign than any real results...I thought this was an interesting take on it that really makes the point that awareness more than any real form of conservation was the biggest result. 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080413.wcomment0413/BNStory/specialComment/home
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c276128</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:38:05 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Dafne</title>
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Worth reading:

<a href="http://earthhourblog.blogspot.com/">http://earthhourblog.blogspot.com/</a>]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273275</link>
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<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:35:15 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>this is dumb</title>
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we did so damn bad.. we could do way better but this is such a lame thing to be fightting for why can't we just do somthin else it won't help a bit!! IT DIDN"T MAKE A DIFERENCE.. and to all you envirmental freaks, aww shut up, you ppl are retarded!!]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273226</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273226</guid>
<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:31:00 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Jerrold</title>
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I still fail to see how you're interpreting the graph for Ontario. I think you're only considering the actual recorded demand, without realizing that it deviates (by 5%) from what would the norm.

Yes, the plot shows demand rising into the evening (as it gets dark, colder, we use more energy). If Earth Hour didn't happen, the plot of actual demand would have seen a higher curve during the period spanning Earth Hour. If one were to superimpose the expected or normal demand on top of that graph, you'd see a 5% difference due to Earth Hour efforts.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273021</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273021</guid>
<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:48:34 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Melanie</title>
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Ok, but that's all about Toronto. The graph in your article is for all of Ontario, and I was referring to the first Star link where the IESO said that "Across the province, demand was down about 900 megawatts, or 5.2 per cent". Maybe that's where the confusion here is. Yes, Toronto went down. But Ontario went up.

Anyway, I can tell you're just getting all mad about it, so I will move my Ontario energy thoughts to blogON.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273014</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273014</guid>
<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:59:13 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Jerrold</title>
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http://www.thestar.com/SpecialSections/EarthHour/article/407284]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273003</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:29:31 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Melanie</title>
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Take it easy, Jerrold, I'm not attacking you or saying anyone is lying. Here's what I'm looking at. This is what all the generators in Ontario put out for every hour on August 29. Sygration gets this information directly from the IESO. Earth hour is under #21 on this chart. 17726 MW for the hour, higher than the hours before or after it.
http://www.sygration.com/gendata/Generator%20Report%202008-03-29.html

So between that and the demand graph, I am wondering what they are comparing it to in order to get a 5.2% drop across Ontario. That's all. Just looking for more information.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273000</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c273000</guid>
<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:18:41 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Ry-Tron</title>
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I turn my lights off for 8 hours every day, from 11pm to 7am. ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272992</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272992</guid>
<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:51:23 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Jerrold</title>
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Ok, instead of the silly back and forthing on this, please show me data that suggests that there wasn't a drop in energy use or that the entities that monitored the demand are lying. Thanks.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272985</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:32:44 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Melanie</title>
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Jerrold, it is significantly warmer today. Temperature has a big effect on demand.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272973</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:53:14 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Jerrold</title>
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@ Melanie

<a href="http://www.ieso.ca/imoweb/siteShared/demand_price.asp?sid=ic">Really</a>? ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272856</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:06:20 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Guy Boris</title>
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Gregg,
Electricity in Ontario is first met with the  "base" of hydro and nuclear and that marginal energy demand is  met with CO2 sources such as coal.

Look at the demand during Earth Hour in the graph at the top- about 16500 MW. Now if you go to IESO's site, as of right now, we have:
8900 MW Nuclear
4700 MW Hydro

Which is only 13600 MW. By turning off the lights you are primarily reducing demand from coal, which makes up the next 4000 MW in the mix.
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272852</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272852</guid>
<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:36:04 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>mathx</title>
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Stop getting hung up on PURPOSE and INTENT in energy and resource usage. Enegy and resource usage should be taxed appropriately for its true cost/impact, and then people can decide how to use it. Someone wants to light up the top of a building? Let them. We've never stopped idiots with too much money from wasting it before. Let them waste it into funds that benefit the environment then, if they want to have 10,000 xmas lights out front.

If you let the govt or authority figures decide "what's legit" and "what's not" we'll have situations like airline fuel not being taxed, and people flying like it's their human right ('Oh won't someone think of the economy'... and the endless airline bailouts. Perhaps airflight _ISNT_ sustainable?) . Lobbying and corruption will rampant (more than it already is).

Furthermore, in terms of CO2/GHG emissions, ontario's power generation is >75% non CO2 emitting (source: <a href="http://theimo.com">http://theimo.com</a> - not that nukes are great, but different issue.) Everyone lighting 2-3 candles (which are 40-75W ish each of CO2-producing energy) after turning off their 15W CFL bulbs, probably had a net increase of about 5-10x the CO2 for lighting purposes during the hour (assuming people sat in 1/10tht the brightness with candles). The irony hurts.

(I sat in the dark and talked with my wife after flipping the master breaker on the whole apartment, with some windup flashlights handy. Yes I know they emit CO2 in their mfr.)
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272850</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:18:37 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Gregg</title>
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Haahhaha .. save power ?? Yeah right !! Try less than 1%.  No way did majopr industries and steet lights shut down.  BUT .. I agree that the whole deal raised awareness.. which was the goal anyways I gather.]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272849</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:02:50 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Melanie</title>
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Jerrold - That dip is normal for this time of year. Energy usage typically drops off in the evening hours. ]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272798</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272798</guid>
<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:19:40 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Laurence</title>
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"What's that obnoxious building with all of it's light on in the Aerial view by News46?"

It is the RBC Centre under construction on Simcoe... it was quite strange that the most vacant building downtown was also the brightest that night......]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272794</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:56:12 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>victor</title>
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A nice bit of amusement for an otherwise dull Saturday night.
And come Monday morning everyone piles into their SUV for the commute to work where they will cheer over how ?successful? the event was.  
This type of spectacle requires no effort whatsoever and shows our commitment to nothing more than flipping a switch.  Why not get more people to permanently leave their behemoths at home and take transit or car pool?  Then we might start saving.
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272781</link>
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<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:02:01 PDT</pubDate>
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<title>Jerrold</title>
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@ Melanie

On the IESO graph, I see a dip that spans the 18:00-21:00h range. Looks like people started early :)]]>
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<link>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272730</link>
<guid>http://www.blogto.com/environment/2008/03/earth_hour_toronto_2008_pass_or_fail/#c272730</guid>
<category>Toronto, Environment</category>
<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:46:47 PDT</pubDate>
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